I do believe that these parts are not as useful without a IGP for things like entry level (Grandma) desktops, or entry level corporate desktops.
But please do notice that these are BINNED PARTS, therefore, between the option of making no profits on them, Vs the option of making a profit on the processor, and sell a mobo (also at a slight profit) that can latter be upgraded to more capable Rizen Chip (also at a profit), and sell maybe a (hopefully AMD) graphics card, or a (hopefully AMD) laptop graphics chip to be mounted in the mobo, AMD opted for the profit option.
Just do not expect these to seel like hotcackes in corporate and entry level desktops.
1.) I want to do sports without having my phone on me, be as light as possible.
2.) I want an iTunes capable device I can use while driving my car without looking at a screen, only by tactile and muscle memory feedback... (my particular use case)
For these two niches, there was nothing like an iPod Shuffle. There are some chinese knock-offs that offer a similar formfactor, but not similar quality.
Mushroom Networks. If it was good enough for Willie Nelson in 2009, It is good enough for your no-name band (let's hope you become a household name in the future).
For the last fileSytemChecking time! SS7 IS NOT a "Mobile Data Backbone"
SS7 is a SIGNALING protocol. Think of ICMP+OSPF+BGP... this is used for the "Switches" in the telecom network to coordinate among themselves, and NOT to carry data (unless you consider SMSs data). Very important, yes. I'd dare say critical. But, Mobile Data Backbone... NO!
Call it something other than Mobile Data BackBone.
Autonomous cars comunicate amogst themselves via unlicensed spectrum, yes, but they comunicate with the backend cloud where many important services are provided via the usual internet.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. TCP/IP(v4&v6) have all the provisions for Diferentiated trafic and QoS. Many a career has been built developing such mechanisims.
the problem is not wether some trafic has to be prioritized. If autonomous vehicle trafic needs more priority than VoD, which in turn needs more Priority than email and S/FTP, that is fine and dandy.
The problem starts when the trafic from autonomous vehicles from Ford/GM have better priority than the Autonomous vehicles from Toyota and VolksWagen, which in turn have better priority than Autonomous behicles from tesla. Or when VoD trafic from, say comcast, has better priority than VoD trafic from Netflix and Hulu...
You see, net neutrality is not about not about having the same priority for all trafic, but about having different priorities for different types of trafic, but making sure that the same types of trafic get exactly the same priorities no matter whom originates or receives it.
If you prefer the word UPGRADE, that does not change any facts, so I'll use it then in order to humour you:
* People with afected Hardware who, in April 11 2017 heeded Microsoft's advice waited for the WU program to deliver the Creators UPGRADE for them did not have any problem, becasue the WU Program performed a check before starting, detected the Hardware as not supported, and therefore, never offered said UPGRADE it in the first place. Leaving them with the Aniversary UPGRADE, which has security patches for 18 Months (Giving Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft/Hardware Makers 18 months to solve said problem).
People who went out of their way to go to Microsoft's Download site, and manually download the install media for Creators UPGRADE, and then try to manually install said UPGRADE, are supposed to know what they are doing. If they are hit by the bug (including a stupdly redacted/outright-lie message at the end), their problem.
Close to when the security patches for Aniversay UPGRADE cease to come by, in about May 2018, we can re-take the issue, until then: "Be seeing you"!
Happy now?
As you see, the use of the word UPGRADE instead of update does not change the fact that the article in ZDnet and PCWorld are clickbait. Also does not change the fact that people are afected only if they manually attept the procedure (against the provided advice), and also does not change the fact that is too premature to talk about Microsoft leaving some people on the lurch, or whith less support tht they could have had if they remained on Win8.1.
Again, we can revisit the issue in the begining of next year...
If you install by hand you are supposed to know what you are doing, so no check beforehand for you. Maybe you are testing, or are the actual ASUS/Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft developer trying to fix the issue.. who knows, but microsoft assumes you know what you are doing.
If, on the other hand, you left things well alone, and waited for automatic updates as recomended by Microsoft for this specific case, you will never be offered the update in the first place, because the update system will check at the start of the process if your system is compatible or not...
The issue only affects people who, contrary to Microsoft's advice are manually updating...
We can revisit the issue closer to the real cutoff of security updates for Aniversary update... say, around feb 2018. I am certain that, if by then, ASUS/Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft have not reolved the issue, most tech news outlets, Slashdot included, will pick up on the issue
[...]but rather than checking through software at the start of the process[...]
They check at the strt of the process and not perform the update IF you heed the advice and leave it to the automatic updates. If, on the other hand, you DO NOT heed their advice and installed MANUALLY three months later, well, this is bound to hapend, wart, confusing messages and all.
Users were told not to install the update MANUALLY, but instead wait for it to arrive through automatic updates, and they went out of their way to install it MANUALLY. I know we are in slashdot, were reading TFA is frowned upon, and bashing Microsoft is trendy, but please... "un poquito de porfavor"
But the update was installed three whole months later
Yes, the Update was installed MANUALLY three months later.
Users were told not to install the update MANUALLY, but instead wait for it to arrive through automatic updates, and they went out of their way to install it MANUALLY. I know we are in slashdot, were reading TFA is frowned upon, and bashing Microsoft is trendy, but please... "Un poquito de porfavor!"
Creator's Update was released On April 11 2017, and on THAT DATE Microsoft advised owners of affected chips NOT to apply the Update while the situation was resolved.
Those people are (for the time being) on Aniversay update, which was launched on August 2016, and has 18 months of security updates. That leaves Micrusoft until May 2018 to solve the problem and alow those people to update, or since aniversary update is a "Current Branch for Business"release, and therefore, keep receiving security updates for 5+5 years, may release said patches to affected users, or declare defeat and officialy cut suppport for said chips.
But, being that it's been only 4 months since the problem started, it is sort of premature to declare that support has been cut for said Hardware...
The article was mostly clickbait... and boy so many clicked... (meesssa included, young yedi)
The original criticism was about my lack of knowledge, not about my lack of care to proofread a post in a forum.
Again, english is not my native language, and I can bet my greenbacks to your quarters that my english is far better than your Spanish. And would even match you euro for euro, that my french is better than yours (or original poster's) too, warts and all.
In a dwindling X86/AMD64 PC market, laptops* is where the volume is... Yet AMD has nothing for the Laptop Market in the Zen Class Architecture.
And in servers, while there may not be as much volume, is where the cream of the profits are.
While Zen Server parts (Epyc) look good on paper, it reamis to be seen if there will be Adoption from server makers, and demand from server purcharsers...
So, no laptop parts, to early for servers, coupled with so so results for enthusiasts desktop PC (great bang for buck, but performance is more or less even depending on workload) and crap processors for enterprise desktop (corporate parts without IGP? Really? I mean, REALLY?!?!?), is to early to be happy for AMD.
I hope they do well, I really do, for this will be good for all of us (even those of us using Apple gear, therefore, tied to Intel)...
But one thing is to hope, and quite another thing is reality, and is to early to know what reality looks like.
The idea originated in the keyboard/enthusiast collector community which arose when manufactures when to cheap rubber dome of membrane to save costs on commodity computers in the early 2000;s. Collectors of anything only make sense to others that collect the same thing.
I have two model-m keyboards myself. Even flew one of them from Venezuela to spain (in my lugagge, where every pound counted) during my MBA in 2006. I used it consistently at work AND at home (that's why I've got two) from 1992 until 2009, when I got my first Mac and needed the Command-Key.
So no worries, I understand collecting keyborads, and I unstestand mechanical feel, as I also hate rubber/membrane/dome type keyboards. And I'll also say that the clacking of the keys helps me concentrate...
But this is 2017. Get your cherry-mx switch type keyboards with modern layout, macro-recording, back-light and all the bells and whistles...
Or, if push comes to shove, a model M from omnicomp, mechanicaly equivalent to a model M (even made with the same tooling), but with USB, Extra Windows Key and a nipple mouse!
But, at this point (2017) rehashing/remaking the model F from scratch? That's just retro/hipster/fad
I used a Model F early in my career (@ 16 and 17 YO), then I moved to a Model M.
Almost no difference.
This is a pure retro/hipster/fad thing.
Get a good modern Keyboard, where you get a good backlight, lightweight, and good mechanical (for your taste) key feedback, with modern set of keys and macro-recording, and you will be much better served than reliving the days of yore...
iSCSI is the future for your block delivery over a network, and NFS/SMBv3 is where the most of the workloads are going. (I am deliverately leaving out things like HDFS, Gluster, Swift, etc).
Even though FibreChannel has a latency advantage over eth*, eth has price and speed advantages over FibreChannel. And besides, if you want low latency, Infiniband is where is at.
What's more, most VMs and databases nowadays (except a few holdouts** like oracle or VMware) recomend NAS over SAN (administrative advantages trump speed advantages). See the _latest_ manuals from Databases like MS-SQL server, DB2, Informix, Syabase (yes, it still exists), and you'll see, most recomend to put the DB on an FS instead of a raw partition nowadays...
Fibrechanel is a Duopoly (more like a 1,5poly now). The prices were high to begin with, now, they are going to go through the roof! It made sense when it debut, but nowadays, pretty much has only inertia moving it.
*And some others, yes, FibreChannel is kind of a rolls-royce, but one that not only has huge markups, but needs special roads, and specialy trained drivers **Granted, these companies are top dogs in their trade, but, nonetheless, going the way of the IBM mainframe...
No worries dude. All these codecs are designed to be easier to decode them than it is to decode them, so inexpensive-real-time-decoding players for media consumption are feasible on day one (say, either streaming from the internet, or streaming from a plastic shiny disk spinning at a fixed rate).
Normally you would produce content in non-compressed format for maximum quality, and then compress in non real-time. As time progresses, and moore's law progresses (and the programmers codding the codec refine the algorithms and code), it becomes feasible to encode in real time.
Happened to pretty much every-single-lossy-video-codec!
Spanish Speaker here, so, sorry for the _z_ and _s_ confusion.
and, may I remind you of two things:
1.) I pitched Openstack as well
2.) You can install azure in your datacenter, paying MS the respective licenses, and it will work and behave as would an Azure public cloud, either the Microsoft one, or one provided by a partner... So, both with azure, and with OpenStack, you can move your workloads from the public cloud of one company to the public cloud of another company, or publicprivate cloud pretty much seamlessly.
As I said in another comment, among other things, I am a technical trainer in OpenStack, so it behooves me that every one moves from AWS or GoogleCloud to OpenStack, but, alas, that is a pipe dream...
Then go to OpenStack and be happy... (I pitched OpenStack as well, in case you did not notice).
As a matter of fact, I am a Technical trainer for, among other things, OpenStack (also, storage and servers), so, it behooves me if everyone getting out of AWS or GoogleCloud goes to OpenStack (more work, more £€¥$)...
So, no astroturfing. Just Honest opinion, I'd love evryone to go form AWS or GoogleCloud to OpenStack instead of Asure, but the reality is that not everyone can do so, or will do so
If you only use IaaS, this is not as critical, but if you use PaaS, SaaS, or are developing your own Cloud Software from scratch, this is critical.
Amazon and Google have their own set of APIs and management interfaces. So, once in their clood, never back to on premises, or to another cloud from a different provider (there are some efforts to replicate some of Amazon's APIs, but those are Tepid and Incomplete).
With Asure and OpenStack, the advantages are plenty. Want to go from on-Premises to Cloud? No problem, both are handled the same way. Want to have hibrid cloud with spillover? again, no problem, your Cloud Sw APIs and infrastructure work the same.
Want competing providers? No problem, in OpenStack there are competitors aplenty, and with Asure, while the SW is ultimately developed by Microsoft alone, there are plenty of channel/partners to set up your public cloud or private one.
Want your cloud no to be in the USoA under control of a USoA company, no problem with Asure or OpenStack.... with Amazon or Google: You are SooL.
So, if you are a sysadmin in a Waltmart provider, use this golden opportunity to justify to the CxO Suite (and justify plenty of funding for) a project to migrate from AWS (or Google) to some OpenStack or Asure Provider...
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Is an ITU.T standart that allows high speed networking over thelephone twisted pair, electricial cable AND tv Coax with Similar Phy and LLC and MAC.
This has many uses:
Reduncancy for your Cat6 network
Put your low speed gear in that network and reserve the Cat6 for highe(r/s) speed gear.
Or, as other posters said, leave it be, for if you sell the house latter on, you do not know if the new owner may want to have coax everywhere
I do believe that these parts are not as useful without a IGP for things like entry level (Grandma) desktops, or entry level corporate desktops.
But please do notice that these are BINNED PARTS, therefore, between the option of making no profits on them, Vs the option of making a profit on the processor, and sell a mobo (also at a slight profit) that can latter be upgraded to more capable Rizen Chip (also at a profit), and sell maybe a (hopefully AMD) graphics card, or a (hopefully AMD) laptop graphics chip to be mounted in the mobo, AMD opted for the profit option.
Just do not expect these to seel like hotcackes in corporate and entry level desktops.
Just my two cents, YMMV
These niches were:
1.) I want to do sports without having my phone on me, be as light as possible.
2.) I want an iTunes capable device I can use while driving my car without looking at a screen, only by tactile and muscle memory feedback... (my particular use case)
For these two niches, there was nothing like an iPod Shuffle. There are some chinese knock-offs that offer a similar formfactor, but not similar quality.
Will be sorely missed.
Mushroom Networks. If it was good enough for Willie Nelson in 2009, It is good enough for your no-name band (let's hope you become a household name in the future).
More info here:
https://www.wired.com/2009/10/...
Like "Ok-Google", "Cortana" or even "Siri" (although, in all fairness, maybe siri and cortana exist in non-western cultures)...
That way, there is no interference with people with the same name as the virtual Assistants...
For the last fileSytemChecking time! SS7 IS NOT a "Mobile Data Backbone"
SS7 is a SIGNALING protocol. Think of ICMP+OSPF+BGP... this is used for the "Switches" in the telecom network to coordinate among themselves, and NOT to carry data (unless you consider SMSs data). Very important, yes. I'd dare say critical. But, Mobile Data Backbone... NO!
Call it something other than Mobile Data BackBone.
Autonomous cars comunicate amogst themselves via unlicensed spectrum, yes, but they comunicate with the backend cloud where many important services are provided via the usual internet.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. TCP/IP(v4&v6) have all the provisions for Diferentiated trafic and QoS. Many a career has been built developing such mechanisims.
the problem is not wether some trafic has to be prioritized. If autonomous vehicle trafic needs more priority than VoD, which in turn needs more Priority than email and S/FTP, that is fine and dandy.
The problem starts when the trafic from autonomous vehicles from Ford/GM have better priority than the Autonomous vehicles from Toyota and VolksWagen, which in turn have better priority than Autonomous behicles from tesla. Or when VoD trafic from, say comcast, has better priority than VoD trafic from Netflix and Hulu...
You see, net neutrality is not about not about having the same priority for all trafic, but about having different priorities for different types of trafic, but making sure that the same types of trafic get exactly the same priorities no matter whom originates or receives it.
It isn't an update dumbfuck. Stop misusing terms just because Microsoft misuses them.
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If you prefer the word UPGRADE, that does not change any facts, so I'll use it then in order to humour you:
* People with afected Hardware who, in April 11 2017 heeded Microsoft's advice waited for the WU program to deliver the Creators UPGRADE for them did not have any problem, becasue the WU Program performed a check before starting, detected the Hardware as not supported, and therefore, never offered said UPGRADE it in the first place. Leaving them with the Aniversary UPGRADE, which has security patches for 18 Months (Giving Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft/Hardware Makers 18 months to solve said problem).
People who went out of their way to go to Microsoft's Download site, and manually download the install media for Creators UPGRADE, and then try to manually install said UPGRADE, are supposed to know what they are doing. If they are hit by the bug (including a stupdly redacted/outright-lie message at the end), their problem.
Close to when the security patches for Aniversay UPGRADE cease to come by, in about May 2018, we can re-take the issue, until then: "Be seeing you"!
Happy now?
As you see, the use of the word UPGRADE instead of update does not change the fact that the article in ZDnet and PCWorld are clickbait. Also does not change the fact that people are afected only if they manually attept the procedure (against the provided advice), and also does not change the fact that is too premature to talk about Microsoft leaving some people on the lurch, or whith less support tht they could have had if they remained on Win8.1.
Again, we can revisit the issue in the begining of next year...
If you install by hand you are supposed to know what you are doing, so no check beforehand for you. Maybe you are testing, or are the actual ASUS/Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft developer trying to fix the issue.. who knows, but microsoft assumes you know what you are doing.
If, on the other hand, you left things well alone, and waited for automatic updates as recomended by Microsoft for this specific case, you will never be offered the update in the first place, because the update system will check at the start of the process if your system is compatible or not...
The issue only affects people who, contrary to Microsoft's advice are manually updating...
We can revisit the issue closer to the real cutoff of security updates for Aniversary update... say, around feb 2018. I am certain that, if by then, ASUS/Intel/PowerVR/Microsoft have not reolved the issue, most tech news outlets, Slashdot included, will pick up on the issue
Until then "We'll be seeing you"
[...]but rather than checking through software at the start of the process[...]
They check at the strt of the process and not perform the update IF you heed the advice and leave it to the automatic updates. If, on the other hand, you DO NOT heed their advice and installed MANUALLY three months later, well, this is bound to hapend, wart, confusing messages and all.
Users were told not to install the update MANUALLY, but instead wait for it to arrive through automatic updates, and they went out of their way to install it MANUALLY. I know we are in slashdot, were reading TFA is frowned upon, and bashing Microsoft is trendy, but please... "un poquito de porfavor"
But the update was installed three whole months later
Yes, the Update was installed MANUALLY three months later.
Users were told not to install the update MANUALLY, but instead wait for it to arrive through automatic updates, and they went out of their way to install it MANUALLY. I know we are in slashdot, were reading TFA is frowned upon, and bashing Microsoft is trendy, but please... "Un poquito de porfavor!"
Creator's Update was released On April 11 2017, and on THAT DATE Microsoft advised owners of affected chips NOT to apply the Update while the situation was resolved.
Those people are (for the time being) on Aniversay update, which was launched on August 2016, and has 18 months of security updates. That leaves Micrusoft until May 2018 to solve the problem and alow those people to update, or since aniversary update is a "Current Branch for Business"release, and therefore, keep receiving security updates for 5+5 years, may release said patches to affected users, or declare defeat and officialy cut suppport for said chips.
But, being that it's been only 4 months since the problem started, it is sort of premature to declare that support has been cut for said Hardware...
The article was mostly clickbait... and boy so many clicked... (meesssa included, young yedi)
More info here:
https://www.thurrott.com/windo...
The original criticism was about my lack of knowledge, not about my lack of care to proofread a post in a forum.
Again, english is not my native language, and I can bet my greenbacks to your quarters that my english is far better than your Spanish. And would even match you euro for euro, that my french is better than yours (or original poster's) too, warts and all.
These grammar nazis...
"Too" Learn it, mmmkay?
I'll wager Quarters to Greenbacks that my 296/300 ToEFL beats the living shit out of whatever you got in your DELE ...
mmmkay? :-P :-P
In a dwindling X86/AMD64 PC market, laptops* is where the volume is... Yet AMD has nothing for the Laptop Market in the Zen Class Architecture.
And in servers, while there may not be as much volume, is where the cream of the profits are.
While Zen Server parts (Epyc) look good on paper, it reamis to be seen if there will be Adoption from server makers, and demand from server purcharsers...
So, no laptop parts, to early for servers, coupled with so so results for enthusiasts desktop PC (great bang for buck, but performance is more or less even depending on workload) and crap processors for enterprise desktop (corporate parts without IGP? Really? I mean, REALLY?!?!?), is to early to be happy for AMD.
I hope they do well, I really do, for this will be good for all of us (even those of us using Apple gear, therefore, tied to Intel)...
But one thing is to hope, and quite another thing is reality, and is to early to know what reality looks like.
Just my two cents.
John Leguizamo as Luigi Mario
Super Mario Bros. The movie
@realDonaldTrump IS NOT a public forum. Is the personal Twitter account of Mr. Donald J. Trump.
@POTUS is a public forum, as is the account of the President Of The United States.
The lawsuit soud be about Mr. Donald J. Trump using his PERSONAL twitter Account to conduct matters of state and public interest...
The idea originated in the keyboard/enthusiast collector community which arose when manufactures when to cheap rubber dome of membrane to save costs on commodity computers in the early 2000;s. Collectors of anything only make sense to others that collect the same thing.
I have two model-m keyboards myself. Even flew one of them from Venezuela to spain (in my lugagge, where every pound counted) during my MBA in 2006. I used it consistently at work AND at home (that's why I've got two) from 1992 until 2009, when I got my first Mac and needed the Command-Key.
So no worries, I understand collecting keyborads, and I unstestand mechanical feel, as I also hate rubber/membrane/dome type keyboards. And I'll also say that the clacking of the keys helps me concentrate...
But this is 2017. Get your cherry-mx switch type keyboards with modern layout, macro-recording, back-light and all the bells and whistles...
Or, if push comes to shove, a model M from omnicomp, mechanicaly equivalent to a model M (even made with the same tooling), but with USB, Extra Windows Key and a nipple mouse!
But, at this point (2017) rehashing/remaking the model F from scratch? That's just retro/hipster/fad
I used a Model F early in my career (@ 16 and 17 YO), then I moved to a Model M.
Almost no difference.
This is a pure retro/hipster/fad thing.
Get a good modern Keyboard, where you get a good backlight, lightweight, and good mechanical (for your taste) key feedback, with modern set of keys and macro-recording, and you will be much better served than reliving the days of yore...
my 2 cents YMMV
So, all the old smart TVs with the old Hulu App will not be able to het the new HBO-on Hulo pack?
Bummer. Who would have tought. If only someone had the foresight to warn would be buyers about that!
Chromecast, Roku and Amazon Stick for the win!!!
iSCSI is the future for your block delivery over a network, and NFS/SMBv3 is where the most of the workloads are going. (I am deliverately leaving out things like HDFS, Gluster, Swift, etc).
Even though FibreChannel has a latency advantage over eth*, eth has price and speed advantages over FibreChannel. And besides, if you want low latency, Infiniband is where is at.
What's more, most VMs and databases nowadays (except a few holdouts** like oracle or VMware) recomend NAS over SAN (administrative advantages trump speed advantages). See the _latest_ manuals from Databases like MS-SQL server, DB2, Informix, Syabase (yes, it still exists), and you'll see, most recomend to put the DB on an FS instead of a raw partition nowadays...
Fibrechanel is a Duopoly (more like a 1,5poly now). The prices were high to begin with, now, they are going to go through the roof! It made sense when it debut, but nowadays, pretty much has only inertia moving it.
*And some others, yes, FibreChannel is kind of a rolls-royce, but one that not only has huge markups, but needs special roads, and specialy trained drivers
**Granted, these companies are top dogs in their trade, but, nonetheless, going the way of the IBM mainframe...
No worries dude. All these codecs are designed to be easier to decode them than it is to decode them, so inexpensive-real-time-decoding players for media consumption are feasible on day one (say, either streaming from the internet, or streaming from a plastic shiny disk spinning at a fixed rate).
Normally you would produce content in non-compressed format for maximum quality, and then compress in non real-time. As time progresses, and moore's law progresses (and the programmers codding the codec refine the algorithms and code), it becomes feasible to encode in real time.
Happened to pretty much every-single-lossy-video-codec!
Spanish Speaker here, so, sorry for the _z_ and _s_ confusion.
and, may I remind you of two things:
1.) I pitched Openstack as well
2.) You can install azure in your datacenter, paying MS the respective licenses, and it will work and behave as would an Azure public cloud, either the Microsoft one, or one provided by a partner... So, both with azure, and with OpenStack, you can move your workloads from the public cloud of one company to the public cloud of another company, or publicprivate cloud pretty much seamlessly.
As I said in another comment, among other things, I am a technical trainer in OpenStack, so it behooves me that every one moves from AWS or GoogleCloud to OpenStack, but, alas, that is a pipe dream...
Then go to OpenStack and be happy... (I pitched OpenStack as well, in case you did not notice).
As a matter of fact, I am a Technical trainer for, among other things, OpenStack (also, storage and servers), so, it behooves me if everyone getting out of AWS or GoogleCloud goes to OpenStack (more work, more £€¥$)...
So, no astroturfing. Just Honest opinion, I'd love evryone to go form AWS or GoogleCloud to OpenStack instead of Asure, but the reality is that not everyone can do so, or will do so
Get out of AWS and GoggleCloud ASAP!
Go instead to either Asure, or to OpenStack...
If you only use IaaS, this is not as critical, but if you use PaaS, SaaS, or are developing your own Cloud Software from scratch, this is critical.
Amazon and Google have their own set of APIs and management interfaces. So, once in their clood, never back to on premises, or to another cloud from a different provider (there are some efforts to replicate some of Amazon's APIs, but those are Tepid and Incomplete).
With Asure and OpenStack, the advantages are plenty. Want to go from on-Premises to Cloud? No problem, both are handled the same way. Want to have hibrid cloud with spillover? again, no problem, your Cloud Sw APIs and infrastructure work the same.
Want competing providers? No problem, in OpenStack there are competitors aplenty, and with Asure, while the SW is ultimately developed by Microsoft alone, there are plenty of channel/partners to set up your public cloud or private one.
Want your cloud no to be in the USoA under control of a USoA company, no problem with Asure or OpenStack.... with Amazon or Google: You are SooL.
So, if you are a sysadmin in a Waltmart provider, use this golden opportunity to justify to the CxO Suite (and justify plenty of funding for) a project to migrate from AWS (or Google) to some OpenStack or Asure Provider...
Best of luck and all the power to you!