Can't this kind of cheap trite find a weblog of it's own where a bunch of slope-headed, beer bellied, 40-somthings who call each other "Coach" can sit and grunt with one another about why this sucks?
hey, look! katz finally made himself a troller account!
Unfortunately, companies have started to find ways around unions. Verizon is increasingly hiring contractors to fill in for unionized workers. And this is after the
Verizon strike in October.
i'm a verizon contractor, and i'm getting laid off along with all of my coworkers. why? because the employees of another contractor on the same contract went union. they're moving all our jobs to "right-to-work" states.
I can't really understand why this appeared on Slashdot, though. I mean: "Most developers and users of Linux come into contact
with a UNIX shell sooner or later." ?? Sooner or later? How could anyone use Linux (or any other unix-like os) without coming
into contact with a UNIX shell first and foremost?
the wacky world of linux installs has changed greatly in the last couple of years. i'm trying to learn linux from a linuxppc install on one of my mac clones, and if i wasn't interested in the lower-level command line work, i could probably get everything i need to done in the gui.
linux has changed from being equivalent to wfw, where dos knowledge was still highly necessary, to being more like win9x, where a novice user just doesn't need the command shell. and note that this is an analogy, not a slam of linux in any way. i really shouldn't have to explain that, but i am not in the mood to brush off zealots today.
If you're looking for something more like NetBSD, why don't you, well,
install NetBSD? Especially given this news, it seems like the obvious
choice.
well, you're right -- it is the obvious choice. i'm already running the m68k port on the "server" in my network, and enjoying it quite a bit. but with linux being such a buzzword these days, i'd rather like to get some hands-on with it as well.
perhaps i'll take the advice of another poster and try the linux from scratch for ppc approach -- it'll probably be just as frustrating as it sounds, which is about perfect for me. masochism rocks.
Oh look, someone else is trying to make their ad look like a Windows dialog box. It was cool the first time, now I just ignore them.
speaking as someone in broadband tech support, i really hate these.
"yeah, yahoo told me that my internet connection is not optimized. what the hell am i paying you people for if you're not giving me the best possible service?!"
Support all browsers where if the current version is x.y, you include support for browsers (x-1).0.
well, at least i'll still be able to use that copy of netscape 5 kicking around on the imac...
oh, right.
this would be a great idea if version numbers were still under the control of developers and not the marketing team. linux 7.1, anyone?
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Trying to convince some minimum wage phone monkey that the problem is in their kit is a complete waste of time.
speaking as a "phone monkey," i'd have to say that dealing with some turd who downloaded red hat 7 and now thinks he's an extra-leet power user is just as irritating.
nothing against you personally, of course, but it really does bother the fuck out of me when customers assume that i'm a moron.
(maybe all the abuse has something to do with why nobody wants these jobs. nah.)
But why should I pay them for that? Lets face it, most people wouldn't even think of giving away their cash just becasue they think a copmany is good.
that's why i purchased linuxppc 2000 - sure, i could have just downloaded the isos. but i respect the hard work that mr haas and others have put into that distro. and i'm not a terribly generous nor rich person; i find it tough to believe i'm the only one who did this.
windows is great if your a luser but linux *bsd are better for a real user. were i work we run openbsd
apparently there are no grammar checkers available for openbsd.
anyhow. i just wanted to step in and say that i am absolutely staggered. how did you just read an interview that said, among other things, that one should pick the best os for a given task -- and then start making sweeping claims about windows being "for lusers"! the zealotry in this place floors me sometimes.
For most Mac users, the last thing they want to use is the "tech-savvy" requirements of a Linux desktop
they wouldn't have used linuxppc in the first place, and the question is, after all, would they switch back. personally, the mac is my favored platform -- and i'm also running netbsd and getting together a linux box.
and no, i don't like graphics work either. see? we're not all poncy art students, just like linux users aren't all socially maladjusted virgins.
tell me about it... i do tech support for dsl, and it doesn't help that there's no damned _ping_ that comes with the unit. amazing how a machine built for networking since the beginning has none of the tools you'd expect.
incidentally, for telnet, i'd suggest either bettertelnet or nifty telnet ssh, both of which are available at pure mac. good little freeware apps.
Listen, get out and travel a bit. I'm from the South and parts of my family go back 300 years in French Louisiana. Now, while there is too much prejudice down there, it's worse here in NYC area where I now live. My experiences living in both parts of the country tell me that the South has by and large (with some extremist exceptions) learned to live integrated with European, Hispanic, African and other Americans much better than good ole Westchester Co., NY.
no kidding. i was born and raised in rochester, ny, and live in buffalo now. i've spent months wandering all over this fine country. and the biggest rednecks of them all are all _north_ of the mason-dixon line.
a friend of mine moved up here from south carolina, and it just floored him.
a bit of a question for the other mac geeks. and if anyone here is already typing a smartassed reply to my use of "mac" and "geeks" in the same sentence, just don't bother. thanks.
anyhow...
i've got a motorola starmax 4000 coming, one of the old clone machines with the 604 chip in it. i'll be partitioning the drive, of course, partially for mac os but i'm trying to decide which of three oses to put on the other half.
NetBSD - this one is edging out the others right now, if only because i'm running a NetBSD box right now and it's a lot of fun. i'm running it on a quadra, though, so the command line is pretty much the only option unless i want to use X in 1-bit glory.
LinuxPPC - i have a lot of friends who use linux, and they keep telling me to check it out. is this good enough to use as a workstation? the little serving need that i have is met adequately by the aforementioned quadra, thanks.
Darwin - hey, what can i say, i'd like to get a little bit of a leg up on getting used to this before OSX goes final.
any suggestions? anyone running any of these on a starmax and care to throw me a line?
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Respect for a coproation?
oh, come on now, that's not even close.
It's just another coporation
getting closer, getting closer...
why should I treat a corporation
there you go! i knew you'd get there someday if you tried. you deserve an ice cream cone, young man.
--saint----
Can't this kind of cheap trite find a weblog of it's own where a bunch of slope-headed, beer bellied, 40-somthings who call each other "Coach" can sit and grunt with one another about why this sucks?
hey, look! katz finally made himself a troller account!
--saint----
Nice troll! Putting a troll in a post denying that you are a troll is an inspired bit of trolling. Score: +5.
ah, it's so nice to be appreciated. :)
--saint----
You just don't know it because you're too stupid to get it running.
gee, i sure love trolling. don't you?
jackass.
and for the record, i get linux running fine. i just use a real os for my server needs, thanks.
--saint----
EVERYONE should be running Linux, because it is the right thing to do.
i seem to remember something about selecting tools for jobs, but i can't remember quite how it goes.
gah. zealotry is sickening, no matter what the cause.
--saint----
Unfortunately, companies have started to find ways around unions. Verizon is increasingly hiring contractors to fill in for unionized workers. And this is after the Verizon strike in October.
i'm a verizon contractor, and i'm getting laid off along with all of my coworkers. why? because the employees of another contractor on the same contract went union. they're moving all our jobs to "right-to-work" states.
the new economy can bite my bag, frankly.
--saint----
I can't really understand why this appeared on Slashdot, though. I mean: "Most developers and users of Linux come into contact with a UNIX shell sooner or later." ?? Sooner or later? How could anyone use Linux (or any other unix-like os) without coming into contact with a UNIX shell first and foremost?
the wacky world of linux installs has changed greatly in the last couple of years. i'm trying to learn linux from a linuxppc install on one of my mac clones, and if i wasn't interested in the lower-level command line work, i could probably get everything i need to done in the gui.
linux has changed from being equivalent to wfw, where dos knowledge was still highly necessary, to being more like win9x, where a novice user just doesn't need the command shell. and note that this is an analogy, not a slam of linux in any way. i really shouldn't have to explain that, but i am not in the mood to brush off zealots today.
--saint----
If you're looking for something more like NetBSD, why don't you, well, install NetBSD? Especially given this news, it seems like the obvious choice.
well, you're right -- it is the obvious choice. i'm already running the m68k port on the "server" in my network, and enjoying it quite a bit. but with linux being such a buzzword these days, i'd rather like to get some hands-on with it as well.
perhaps i'll take the advice of another poster and try the linux from scratch for ppc approach -- it'll probably be just as frustrating as it sounds, which is about perfect for me. masochism rocks.
--saint----
hmm, i'm not sure why, but this sounds a little familiar to me... let's hope that the marketing is a little better this time around.
--saint----
Oh look, someone else is trying to make their ad look like a Windows dialog box. It was cool the first time, now I just ignore them.
speaking as someone in broadband tech support, i really hate these.
"yeah, yahoo told me that my internet connection is not optimized. what the hell am i paying you people for if you're not giving me the best possible service?!"
--saint----
Oracle One Million AD
tell me i'm not the only one who read that as a year, and the whole thing as the name of some obscure left coast new age guru...
--saint----
How do you change this on a Mac?
use the "name server address" box in the tcp/ip control panel. that's how i've got my imac using the open root servers.
--saint----
Support all browsers where if the current version is x.y, you include support for browsers (x-1).0.
well, at least i'll still be able to use that copy of netscape 5 kicking around on the imac...
oh, right.
this would be a great idea if version numbers were still under the control of developers and not the marketing team. linux 7.1, anyone?
--saint----
Trying to convince some minimum wage phone monkey that the problem is in their kit is a complete waste of time.
speaking as a "phone monkey," i'd have to say that dealing with some turd who downloaded red hat 7 and now thinks he's an extra-leet power user is just as irritating.
nothing against you personally, of course, but it really does bother the fuck out of me when customers assume that i'm a moron.
(maybe all the abuse has something to do with why nobody wants these jobs. nah.)
--saint----
But why should I pay them for that? Lets face it, most people wouldn't even think of giving away their cash just becasue they think a copmany is good.
that's why i purchased linuxppc 2000 - sure, i could have just downloaded the isos. but i respect the hard work that mr haas and others have put into that distro. and i'm not a terribly generous nor rich person; i find it tough to believe i'm the only one who did this.
--saint----
I hadn't even heard of Cingular since like last week, where did they come from?
they used to be cellular one.
--saint----
Interesting rumour - I tried calling both Microsoft and Sega and got a firm "No Comment" from people.
wow... i think that's the most journalistic thing i've seen on this site in months. congrats!
--saint----
The solution for your dust problem is to get some sort of filter for your room
yeah, like vacuuming it once in a while.
--saint----
windows is great if your a luser but linux *bsd are better for a real user. were i work we run openbsd
apparently there are no grammar checkers available for openbsd.
anyhow. i just wanted to step in and say that i am absolutely staggered. how did you just read an interview that said, among other things, that one should pick the best os for a given task -- and then start making sweeping claims about windows being "for lusers"! the zealotry in this place floors me sometimes.
--saint----
Perhaps they could start by spending some of that USD4,000,000,000 in cash on better advertising?
that's a lot of electricity to put through jeff goldblum, don't you think?
--saint----
What genius thought of that?
the same one that came up with "verizon," i bet.
--saint----
For most Mac users, the last thing they want to use is the "tech-savvy" requirements of a Linux desktop
they wouldn't have used linuxppc in the first place, and the question is, after all, would they switch back. personally, the mac is my favored platform -- and i'm also running netbsd and getting together a linux box.
and no, i don't like graphics work either. see? we're not all poncy art students, just like linux users aren't all socially maladjusted virgins.
--saint----
there isn't even a telnet client.
tell me about it... i do tech support for dsl, and it doesn't help that there's no damned _ping_ that comes with the unit. amazing how a machine built for networking since the beginning has none of the tools you'd expect.
incidentally, for telnet, i'd suggest either bettertelnet or nifty telnet ssh, both of which are available at pure mac. good little freeware apps.
--saint----
Listen, get out and travel a bit. I'm from the South and parts of my family go back 300 years in French Louisiana. Now, while there is too much prejudice down there, it's worse here in NYC area where I now live. My experiences living in both parts of the country tell me that the South has by and large (with some extremist exceptions) learned to live integrated with European, Hispanic, African and other Americans much better than good ole Westchester Co., NY.
no kidding. i was born and raised in rochester, ny, and live in buffalo now. i've spent months wandering all over this fine country. and the biggest rednecks of them all are all _north_ of the mason-dixon line.
a friend of mine moved up here from south carolina, and it just floored him.
--saint----
a bit of a question for the other mac geeks. and if anyone here is already typing a smartassed reply to my use of "mac" and "geeks" in the same sentence, just don't bother. thanks.
anyhow...
i've got a motorola starmax 4000 coming, one of the old clone machines with the 604 chip in it. i'll be partitioning the drive, of course, partially for mac os but i'm trying to decide which of three oses to put on the other half.
NetBSD - this one is edging out the others right now, if only because i'm running a NetBSD box right now and it's a lot of fun. i'm running it on a quadra, though, so the command line is pretty much the only option unless i want to use X in 1-bit glory.
LinuxPPC - i have a lot of friends who use linux, and they keep telling me to check it out. is this good enough to use as a workstation? the little serving need that i have is met adequately by the aforementioned quadra, thanks.
Darwin - hey, what can i say, i'd like to get a little bit of a leg up on getting used to this before OSX goes final.
any suggestions? anyone running any of these on a starmax and care to throw me a line?
--saint----