I'd like to see the feds try to use Carnivore in court, and have the defendant subpoena the box to have independent experts evaluate it, only to find that it had been cracked, and that all of the logs were fake, and that the admin password is something stupid like 'renorulez!' or something else dumb like that...
On the other hand, because they're doing this, it sounds like it's time to do ((IP over HTTP) over (IP over IP) over (IP over DNS)) and see how well the M$ box can handle it, I'm sure that some kickass kernel hacker could design a multilevel tunnel that would confuse the hell out of it anyway...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Dude, use Emacs and learn what C-x a-i-l means. It turns on abbreviations. When I was writing servlets I never typed more than three characters to call a method -- I had autoexpansion on"
Why the hell would someone want to get to the point that they have to use ONE editor to code? This may sound strange, but I like coding in no frills text editors, because there aren't any weird psycho shortcuts that one has to memorize. In fact, I like pico because the few commands that I do actually need are printed at the bottom of the screen.
besides... Emacs is a great operating system, but it's a really crappy editor...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Remember, in George Orwell's "1984", many of the organizations and positions were named opposite of what they actually did... the Ministry of Peace made war, etc. Newspeak has become more and more common with corporate America (I don't know first hand about elsewhere, but I'd imagine that it's vying for its share there too), and phrases like "we must accentuate our efforts to prioritize gross revenue intake to better posture our entity in the market" and other crap like that, and eventually language will mean nothing. They might not be like _that_, but remember, just because it hasn't happened (that we know of) doesn't mean it can't happen...
</conspiracy theory>
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
the democrats somehow got many of the military ballots disqualified, and wanted to get a hint of a dent in a ballot to count toward them. I'd personally think this would mean the Democrats caused it, but I haven't been following it too closely.
It also looks like someone doesn't like the Bush family either, 'cause I'm sure that other states could have been contested...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I do not think that Exchange is a good idea. It requires a lot of processor power to do a good job, and most of the features that it offers are ignored. When do people use calendar software that Schedule+ or one of the freeware apps doesn't support? When does one have such tight integration of the calendar that people actually use each other's calendars?
I think that basic email works fine with a properly set up sendmail config, and IMAP services provides enough directory support that more isn't needed. People just don't use the capabilities that Exchange does offer enough to justify the administrative headaches. "Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Instead of clicking on a reply link, you write a counter-argument or suppliment to a piece by another author and upload it. If its well-written and informative, then it will presumably be passed around by lots of people and spread through Freenet. Which would also (in theory) create interest in other pieces on the same subject...."
Wow! You've just reinvented fidonet!!
on a more serious note, I really don't want to go back to something that takes that long to proliferate, if that is indeed what would be required for this to work. Slashdot's strength is in its real time and its relatively small downtime. If I have to wait days, hell, even hours to post and reply in discussions then I'll just not bother. This may sound a little bit conceited, but I believe that there is such thing as sacrificing _some_ security in favour of speed, assuming that actual gains outweigh the failings. Since Slashdot is very fast updating, and is fairly easy to make anonymous, I'll stay with it. Freenet is a good idea, but I don't know enough about its logistics to know if it even can be done on the scale that currently is used, let alone the speed...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"tax-evasion, recreational drug use, bootlegging, copyright infingement, etc. all victimless crimes, all being prosecuted at this momment"
Is tax-evasion a victimless crime? Everyone else who pays taxes is a victim if someone fails to pay over an extended period of time, because budgets have to be adjusted and taxes have to meet those budgets.
Recreational drug use has arguments both ways. For example, if a person who is a parent with children home is using recreational drugs while their children are running about, Child Protective Services has every right to intervene citing the illicit and imparing substance is interfering with being a parent. I feel the same way about excessive alcohol consumption around kids. I don't know of very many situations like in "Eyes Wide Shut" where the couple engages in drug use because they can afford it and don't have to do anything f*ed up to get them...
Bootlegging and copyright infringement can be seen as turning the copyright holder and/or artist into a victim. If I were performing, I don't think I'd want people taperecording my performance and selling it, they didn't DO anything to deserve money from that. Copyright can be applied the same way. I do think there are abuses on the other side too, like CSS and the like, but these ALL generally have victims.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"But the real problem isn't the clear-cut cases, it's the weird fringe ones. Should you let a site like Jessi The Kid onto the.kids domain, even though it's creepy as hell?"
That site is scary... When it first loaded I thought 'CooK' on one of the picture links said something similar but not quite so nice...
I wonder sometimes what happens when kids are subjected to the attention that this girl is getting... When I was that age (being male) I was playing with model rockets and Hot Wheels cars and Legos and Computers, not being a 'pre-teen lifestyle' person with a tatoo on my lower abdomen in a sexually suggestive spot... That is really sick (IMHO)
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
They already ruled on that one, we've been talking about it here... I don't think that the courts would find that nearly as funny as we would...
"In a surprise move, Federal Express shipping company and soft drink bottler Seven Up merged, to form the first on request soda delivery serivce. Said to be similar to companies that deliver fresh icecream or milk, the new company will deliver the freshest soda pop in the business. The new company, 'Fed Up', will begin operations in the second quarter of the new year"
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
There AREN'T any children actually in this at this point, that's what the entire basis for the discussion IS! Last time I checked, victimless crimes weren't crimes... The only major abuse of this that I am aware of is when recreational mary-jane users get busted. I have seen some really interesting character models and skins for Poser, and many of the images that people are making for the CGI erotica sites ARE of 'appearing underage' people. The thing that is ironic is that there were never any children involved in the first place. Yeah, I find some of the pictures distasteful, and I have been offended by some, but I don't have the right to not be offended. In fact, I don't even have to frequent sites like these if I don't want to.
I personally doubt that images like these contribute to the criminal psyche, though not being a psychologist I cannot say definitively either way. I wish the court would join us and educate itself about technology and how technology works, so stupid judgements become less of a topic on/.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"I believe they can. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the BSA operate on behalf of its members? And doesn't MS have special provision in their license agreements that allow them to perform inspections every now and then? So if that is true, the BSA could check out your computers."
Well, they have to have proof that you have their products at all, and if you don't have any of their products legally, the license agreement is irrevelant...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... because maybe they'll decide that it's good enough, and people can then go through and rip it to shreds three weeks after they standardize on it and release it. Once it's out, perhaps there's a rat's chance in hell of proving that it was faulty technology in court and getting the court to rule against the music industry if they try to sue.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Well, I stayed with the same AT design from the 386 through the end of the single voltage pentium (the 200 non mmx) and didn't have to change case or power supply. I know several people who have AT form factor Pentuim 2 and 3 boards. I understood going to ATX, AT had been around for 15 years and they had finally learned what they thought they needed for a new case, and most of us bought them. Hell, even Compaq went and put their Athlons in ATX cases with ATX motherboards instead of their normal proprietary stuff. I don't like changing every couple of years, I like my case.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
But requiring a redesign of the case so the heat sink can mount through the board to the backplate? That's excessive in my opinion... Many of the other manufacturers don't have chips with such a high clock, but these other chips seem to have a better overall design and don't need to be overdriven like the poor ol' x86 line...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Slashdot Mirror
'nuff said...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I'd like to see the feds try to use Carnivore in court, and have the defendant subpoena the box to have independent experts evaluate it, only to find that it had been cracked, and that all of the logs were fake, and that the admin password is something stupid like 'renorulez!' or something else dumb like that...
On the other hand, because they're doing this, it sounds like it's time to do ((IP over HTTP) over (IP over IP) over (IP over DNS)) and see how well the M$ box can handle it, I'm sure that some kickass kernel hacker could design a multilevel tunnel that would confuse the hell out of it anyway...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Dude, use Emacs and learn what C-x a-i-l means. It turns on abbreviations. When I was writing servlets I never typed more than three characters to call a method -- I had autoexpansion on"
Why the hell would someone want to get to the point that they have to use ONE editor to code? This may sound strange, but I like coding in no frills text editors, because there aren't any weird psycho shortcuts that one has to memorize. In fact, I like pico because the few commands that I do actually need are printed at the bottom of the screen.
besides... Emacs is a great operating system, but it's a really crappy editor...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
<conspiracy theory>
Remember, in George Orwell's "1984", many of the organizations and positions were named opposite of what they actually did... the Ministry of Peace made war, etc. Newspeak has become more and more common with corporate America (I don't know first hand about elsewhere, but I'd imagine that it's vying for its share there too), and phrases like "we must accentuate our efforts to prioritize gross revenue intake to better posture our entity in the market" and other crap like that, and eventually language will mean nothing. They might not be like _that_, but remember, just because it hasn't happened (that we know of) doesn't mean it can't happen...
</conspiracy theory>
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
the democrats somehow got many of the military ballots disqualified, and wanted to get a hint of a dent in a ballot to count toward them. I'd personally think this would mean the Democrats caused it, but I haven't been following it too closely.
It also looks like someone doesn't like the Bush family either, 'cause I'm sure that other states could have been contested...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... catfight between Linus' daughter and ol' Billyboy's daughter!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I do not think that Exchange is a good idea. It requires a lot of processor power to do a good job, and most of the features that it offers are ignored. When do people use calendar software that Schedule+ or one of the freeware apps doesn't support? When does one have such tight integration of the calendar that people actually use each other's calendars?
I think that basic email works fine with a properly set up sendmail config, and IMAP services provides enough directory support that more isn't needed. People just don't use the capabilities that Exchange does offer enough to justify the administrative headaches.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"On the Web, you can find any information, no matter how obscure or strange it is..."
Not if you try to use any of the big search engines! You'll find links to porno javascript popup windows from hell instead!
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Instead of clicking on a reply link, you write a counter-argument or suppliment to a piece by another author and upload it. If its well-written and informative, then it will presumably be passed around by lots of people and spread through Freenet. Which would also (in theory) create interest in other pieces on the same subject...."
Wow! You've just reinvented fidonet!!
on a more serious note, I really don't want to go back to something that takes that long to proliferate, if that is indeed what would be required for this to work. Slashdot's strength is in its real time and its relatively small downtime. If I have to wait days, hell, even hours to post and reply in discussions then I'll just not bother. This may sound a little bit conceited, but I believe that there is such thing as sacrificing _some_ security in favour of speed, assuming that actual gains outweigh the failings. Since Slashdot is very fast updating, and is fairly easy to make anonymous, I'll stay with it. Freenet is a good idea, but I don't know enough about its logistics to know if it even can be done on the scale that currently is used, let alone the speed...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Dune" isn't a christ story, it's a 'the one' story. It doesn't matter WHO is the subject, it could be Tommy, Neo, Connor, etc...
Remember, Moses was one, that's a HELLUVA long time before Christ...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
If peoples' votes tallied with the SAME weight at the polling stations, then we'd not have the mess with the presidental election!
I am SO bored...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"tax-evasion, recreational drug use, bootlegging, copyright infingement, etc. all victimless crimes, all being prosecuted at this momment"
Is tax-evasion a victimless crime? Everyone else who pays taxes is a victim if someone fails to pay over an extended period of time, because budgets have to be adjusted and taxes have to meet those budgets.
Recreational drug use has arguments both ways. For example, if a person who is a parent with children home is using recreational drugs while their children are running about, Child Protective Services has every right to intervene citing the illicit and imparing substance is interfering with being a parent. I feel the same way about excessive alcohol consumption around kids. I don't know of very many situations like in "Eyes Wide Shut" where the couple engages in drug use because they can afford it and don't have to do anything f*ed up to get them...
Bootlegging and copyright infringement can be seen as turning the copyright holder and/or artist into a victim. If I were performing, I don't think I'd want people taperecording my performance and selling it, they didn't DO anything to deserve money from that. Copyright can be applied the same way. I do think there are abuses on the other side too, like CSS and the like, but these ALL generally have victims.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"But the real problem isn't the clear-cut cases, it's the weird fringe ones. Should you let a site like Jessi The Kid onto the .kids domain, even though it's creepy as hell?"
That site is scary... When it first loaded I thought 'CooK' on one of the picture links said something similar but not quite so nice...
I wonder sometimes what happens when kids are subjected to the attention that this girl is getting... When I was that age (being male) I was playing with model rockets and Hot Wheels cars and Legos and Computers, not being a 'pre-teen lifestyle' person with a tatoo on my lower abdomen in a sexually suggestive spot... That is really sick (IMHO)
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I'm looking forward to my new email with atdot when the new domain comes up...
at@atdot.dot seems appropriate enough...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"Combining both, like .kidporn"
They already ruled on that one, we've been talking about it here... I don't think that the courts would find that nearly as funny as we would...
"In a surprise move, Federal Express shipping company and soft drink bottler Seven Up merged, to form the first on request soda delivery serivce. Said to be similar to companies that deliver fresh icecream or milk, the new company will deliver the freshest soda pop in the business. The new company, 'Fed Up', will begin operations in the second quarter of the new year"
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
There AREN'T any children actually in this at this point, that's what the entire basis for the discussion IS! Last time I checked, victimless crimes weren't crimes... The only major abuse of this that I am aware of is when recreational mary-jane users get busted. I have seen some really interesting character models and skins for Poser, and many of the images that people are making for the CGI erotica sites ARE of 'appearing underage' people. The thing that is ironic is that there were never any children involved in the first place. Yeah, I find some of the pictures distasteful, and I have been offended by some, but I don't have the right to not be offended. In fact, I don't even have to frequent sites like these if I don't want to.
/.
I personally doubt that images like these contribute to the criminal psyche, though not being a psychologist I cannot say definitively either way. I wish the court would join us and educate itself about technology and how technology works, so stupid judgements become less of a topic on
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
I _Liked_ "Mars Attacks!" I mean, it went up against "Independence Day" for the Hugo award that year!
Besides, I think that it's fair that cowboy yodelling could cause one's brain to explode...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
dude... you might want to lay off the porn surfing somewhat...
Or maybe you're just spasming from using Microsoft products...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"I believe they can. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the BSA operate on behalf of its members? And doesn't MS have special provision in their license agreements that allow them to perform inspections every now and then? So if that is true, the BSA could check out your computers."
Well, they have to have proof that you have their products at all, and if you don't have any of their products legally, the license agreement is irrevelant...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
... because maybe they'll decide that it's good enough, and people can then go through and rip it to shreds three weeks after they standardize on it and release it. Once it's out, perhaps there's a rat's chance in hell of proving that it was faulty technology in court and getting the court to rule against the music industry if they try to sue.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Well, I stayed with the same AT design from the 386 through the end of the single voltage pentium (the 200 non mmx) and didn't have to change case or power supply. I know several people who have AT form factor Pentuim 2 and 3 boards. I understood going to ATX, AT had been around for 15 years and they had finally learned what they thought they needed for a new case, and most of us bought them. Hell, even Compaq went and put their Athlons in ATX cases with ATX motherboards instead of their normal proprietary stuff. I don't like changing every couple of years, I like my case.
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
"If you could get a Corvette engine, but no Corvette, could you still go 90 miles per hour?"
Let's see here... I'll just bolt that sucker on to my bicycle, get a few universal joints, some duct tape...
damn... the frame broke...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
This is not targetted specifically at home users... This is supposed to be the flagship product of Intel...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
But requiring a redesign of the case so the heat sink can mount through the board to the backplate? That's excessive in my opinion... Many of the other manufacturers don't have chips with such a high clock, but these other chips seem to have a better overall design and don't need to be overdriven like the poor ol' x86 line...
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."
Terrible heat problems, case redesigns potentially required, slower memory design, no motherboard available...
Can ANYONE give me a reason to even think about buying an Intel processor anymore?
"Titanic was 3hr and 17min long. They could have lost 3hr and 17min from that."