Have you used RealOne for Windows? It doesn't fit the normal UI guidelines for Windows. I use Windows enough to know where most things are, and how to perform most tasks, but RealONE is just a horrible showing of how you can throw out every convention in the Windows programming world.
The menu bar is in the title bar first of all, and if there's not enough of a title bar to show the whole window, then you have to have to click a little arrow thing to access the other ones on a pop-up window.
Everytime I use this app, I yell at it because I use the Favorite's menu a lot, and 90% of the time, the windows so small that it's not on the title bar, and I have to hit that stupid button.
Oddly enough, on OSX, RealONE was really nice. It looks exactly the same as the Windows version, but the title bar is, *gasp* where Apple says it has to be. So, the same exact design is actually BETTER just because it matches the whole convention well.
Anyways, all I'm saying is that a major developer like RealNetworks can throw that convention out the window, practically at will. So what use is this supposed User Interface Guideline.
God damn dude... I'm sick of this argument, lay off.
I've said for my last three posts that I'm sick of arguing about this, because you won't listen to my point. I've already heard your point that QE doesn't accelerate anything but the composition stage, but you still refuse to recognize my point that acceleration of composition still qualifies as acceleration of graphics.
It is NOT like a car manufacturer touting tuned spark-plug timings as a major new feature. It's like a car-manufacturer adding a different muffler that exhausts better, and raises the HP by 10HP or so. It's not a major improvement, it doesn't actually increase the running of the engine, it just sucks off exhaust faster. But it STILL PROVIDES A BOOST IN POWER.
The two ARE comparable. Apple's QE uses OpenGL to accelerate compositing, while Longhong uses OpenGL to perform some accelerated graphics operations. Wow, look, I just compared them (correctly, and properly) right there.
Because while there is a difference in using OpenGL to accelerate rendering or using OpenGL to accelerate compositing, it's still similar. It's not like comparing Apples to Oranges, it's like comparing Tangerinese to Oranges. Sure, tangerines are generally smaller, and don't contain as much substance as an orange, they are still in many vital and important ways, nearly the same fruit!
Wether you like it or not, Apple's Quartz Extreme DOES use OpenGL to accelerate a portion of their graphics routines, and they are the first company to do so.
SO JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT UP UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO SEE THE VALIDITY IN MY POINT.
And they do such a great job, making sure we don't get duplicated stories... Oh... or stories that are just out right wrong... Oh...
Well, ok, they generally try, and I'm sure they do kill the 100+ dups that are there, even when they do let the occational 5 dups go through for the same story.
You have just shown us all exactly why it was taken down. Georgy as a gubernatorial (giggle) candidate does not want her image slandered by numerous geeks hidden away in their rooms, slobering at her semi-seductive poses on their broadband...
And, speaking hypocracy, if you happen to find a mirror of said picture, let me know;).
Good point, you never want to alienate any particular part of your voting base.
She also says that politicians should feel free to openly say what they really believe. I think somewhere deep down in her, she knows that VI is the better editor.
B) I'm going by your statement: "But it still does accellerate the time that matters."
I interpret that as, "it accelerates the important part." The important part is the rendering, not the compositing. Rendering is useful for real progress in GUIs. Compositing just makes those transparent, shadowed windows possible.
It means, that it reduces the time from things changing in software to the time on the screen. Just like reducing system time in an application will reduce the total execution time, accelerating the compositing layer reduces the total rendering time.
THAT'S what I mean. You're so pent up on Apple not saying exactly what it's doing all the time, (which no one ever does) that you're neglecting the fact that they DO say exactly what it does. They DO say that it only accelerates compositing, and that QuartzExtreme accelerates total rendering time.
Whether it just does Compositing or optimally accelerates all rendering, it still reduces total render time. And that, I think, deserves recognition, wether you think they're being misleading about it or not.
This argument to me, is just like all those people who refuse to see someone's valid point because their spelling or grammar is a bit off. I had one guy who wouldn't listen to my empirical evidence about Japanese, just because I spelt it with two s's. This is the most ridiculous reason to not listen to one side of an argument.
In general, people like that, and you, are spending too much time looking at faults in someone's arguments, and nitpicking, to notice the valid and important information that they yield. Personally, I try not to disregard any information merely based off the originating source. I've learned many things from the people that I hate the most, in ways that most people would have just ignored them.
Ah... thanks for clearing that up. But it still does accellerate the time that matters. Namely, from something changing in software, to changing on the screen.
That's what really matter to me. But I will retain your information that it only really composites.
Emulators have always been legal so long as they didn't include any copywritten information. The problem with Bleem was that they had reverse-engineered the BIOS in the Playstation. Sony claimed that it was done illegally, and the courts kind of agreed.
But Mame32, I don't know of anyway that it's illegal, so long as you have the original software.
Yeah, nvidia sucks for DirectFB also... I actually saw rasterman on #directfb a lot, and talked to him while I was developing the blitting for the nvidia driver for DirectFB.
The odd thing about DirectFB, is only the Matrox has decent acceleration for DirectFB. It's pretty frustrating in my opinion. I like DirectFB a lot, but it just doesn't have the support.
And for all those who say it only takes "participation" I can tell you BULL on that level. I was at one point one of the most educated people on how the nvidia drivers work (outside of nvidia of course) and I didn't know how to accomplish anything besides Boxes, Lines, and Blits... and that's pitiful. But that's all that's available.
You forgot about an even more common example... QUARTZ! Apple's OSX does all rendering through Quartz, (as PDFs) which is accelerated by OpenGL, and called QuartzExtreme.
(1) that such a new copy or adaptation is created as an essential step in the utilization of the computer program in conjunction with a machine and that it is used in no other manner,
Woah! I didn't know I had the write to make an adaptation to make it work on my machine. I suppose techinically, making a modification to Microsoft Office to have it run under Linux in some native-ish way (while still maintaining a license of the original software, mind you) would be legal!
I might be recalling incorrectly, but I believe that the newest version of the GPL requires you to release all patent claims on code that you contribute.
It doesn't require you to terminate the patent or anything, just that you forfeit any right to compensation/whatever due to the use of your patented idea in GPL code.
That way, you can't add in a patented idea, then when someone modifies it, you can't sue them for infringing on your patent.
I don't know how that would apply in your situation of a class rewrite. I agree that a rewrite isn't covered under the same license, but if you integrate that rewrite into a piece of GPL code that had the original, then the "viral" nature of GPL will take over, and the new rewrite will be covered by the GPL, and the original license which was granted reprieve from the patent.
I'll speak some about having actually used SSE and Altivec. I've used Apple's gcc altivec flags, and SSE (and SSE2, but since Altivec doesn't have 2x64bit FP vectors, it's unimportant) assembly.
Having written some code, and hacking it up to do 4x4 matrix multiplication, I set it up to multiply about a million times. I tested standard unvectorized floating point (on both a G4, and P4), altivec on a G4, and SSE on a P4.
My results? Altivec provided a nearly 4x speed boost (even though I was writing results out to memory nearly every single operation), and SSE performed horribly, running almost 2x as slow. I figured out that this was because I was using "movups" instead of "movaps" (unaligned, vs aligned) but I couldn't get aligned moves to work, because GCC wouldn't align my vector to a 128-bit boundary. (you can aligned the stack to a 128-bit boundary, but then the %ebp register goes on, and it craps out everything else)
After trying numerous things, I just outputted the C code to assembly, and hacked it so my vector was alligned, and then SSE showed minimal performance gains at all.
I'm working on rewriting my library to make it so that I don't have to write out all the vectors every single add/mul/madd. But this thread will be old by then, and no one would probably read it.
True, it's a chicken-egg problem. But here's the nice part, if you download it, and it was ok, then it's alright and legal. If you download it and find out it was wrong, then it was illegal.
I see it as only requiring people to be a bit more cautious about what they download. For instance: I know http://www.microsoft.com/ will allow me to download their website, and their content.
On the other hand, http://www.illegal-free-copywritten-software.com/ while viewing their personal content webpage would be ok, same as above. Anything that I download from them will likely be illegal. So, I avoid it.
Then you get somewhere like http://www.downloads.com/ run by c|Net if I remember correctly, which hosts a bunch of software that's not theirs. But, they likely had to legally obtain permission from the authors to post their stuff, with the understanding that it will be freely available to anyone. BEFORE I can download it off their webpage. So, the burden of responsibility falls on their shoulders.
Of course, if something comes out to be illegally posted on their page, then I'm bound to remove my copy just as buying stolen goods requires you to return them, even if you were unaware of the origins at anytime prior to the police coming to ask for them.
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Have you used RealOne for Windows? It doesn't fit the normal UI guidelines for Windows. I use Windows enough to know where most things are, and how to perform most tasks, but RealONE is just a horrible showing of how you can throw out every convention in the Windows programming world.
The menu bar is in the title bar first of all, and if there's not enough of a title bar to show the whole window, then you have to have to click a little arrow thing to access the other ones on a pop-up window.
Everytime I use this app, I yell at it because I use the Favorite's menu a lot, and 90% of the time, the windows so small that it's not on the title bar, and I have to hit that stupid button.
Oddly enough, on OSX, RealONE was really nice. It looks exactly the same as the Windows version, but the title bar is, *gasp* where Apple says it has to be. So, the same exact design is actually BETTER just because it matches the whole convention well.
Anyways, all I'm saying is that a major developer like RealNetworks can throw that convention out the window, practically at will. So what use is this supposed User Interface Guideline.
God damn dude... I'm sick of this argument, lay off.
I've said for my last three posts that I'm sick of arguing about this, because you won't listen to my point. I've already heard your point that QE doesn't accelerate anything but the composition stage, but you still refuse to recognize my point that acceleration of composition still qualifies as acceleration of graphics.
It is NOT like a car manufacturer touting tuned spark-plug timings as a major new feature. It's like a car-manufacturer adding a different muffler that exhausts better, and raises the HP by 10HP or so. It's not a major improvement, it doesn't actually increase the running of the engine, it just sucks off exhaust faster. But it STILL PROVIDES A BOOST IN POWER.
The two ARE comparable. Apple's QE uses OpenGL to accelerate compositing, while Longhong uses OpenGL to perform some accelerated graphics operations. Wow, look, I just compared them (correctly, and properly) right there.
Because while there is a difference in using OpenGL to accelerate rendering or using OpenGL to accelerate compositing, it's still similar. It's not like comparing Apples to Oranges, it's like comparing Tangerinese to Oranges. Sure, tangerines are generally smaller, and don't contain as much substance as an orange, they are still in many vital and important ways, nearly the same fruit!
Wether you like it or not, Apple's Quartz Extreme DOES use OpenGL to accelerate a portion of their graphics routines, and they are the first company to do so.
SO JESUS CHRIST JUST SHUT UP UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO SEE THE VALIDITY IN MY POINT.
I don't see how my funny joke was offtopic, while the parent I was parodying gets informative :P stupid mods...
And they do such a great job, making sure we don't get duplicated stories... Oh... or stories that are just out right wrong... Oh...
Well, ok, they generally try, and I'm sure they do kill the 100+ dups that are there, even when they do let the occational 5 dups go through for the same story.
d00d! d0 j00 h4v ne m0r s3r14lz f0 m3? 3y3 4m s0 p00r!
Dude, you have to remember that people have different opinions of attractiveness.
I personally find her very attractive. But I'm kind of into that whole "homely" look.
You have just shown us all exactly why it was taken down. Georgy as a gubernatorial (giggle) candidate does not want her image slandered by numerous geeks hidden away in their rooms, slobering at her semi-seductive poses on their broadband...
;).
And, speaking hypocracy, if you happen to find a mirror of said picture, let me know
Good point, you never want to alienate any particular part of your voting base.
She also says that politicians should feel free to openly say what they really believe. I think somewhere deep down in her, she knows that VI is the better editor.
Ok... someone's been working on this joke for FAR too long...
It means, that it reduces the time from things changing in software to the time on the screen. Just like reducing system time in an application will reduce the total execution time, accelerating the compositing layer reduces the total rendering time.
THAT'S what I mean. You're so pent up on Apple not saying exactly what it's doing all the time, (which no one ever does) that you're neglecting the fact that they DO say exactly what it does. They DO say that it only accelerates compositing, and that QuartzExtreme accelerates total rendering time.
Whether it just does Compositing or optimally accelerates all rendering, it still reduces total render time. And that, I think, deserves recognition, wether you think they're being misleading about it or not.
This argument to me, is just like all those people who refuse to see someone's valid point because their spelling or grammar is a bit off. I had one guy who wouldn't listen to my empirical evidence about Japanese, just because I spelt it with two s's. This is the most ridiculous reason to not listen to one side of an argument.
In general, people like that, and you, are spending too much time looking at faults in someone's arguments, and nitpicking, to notice the valid and important information that they yield. Personally, I try not to disregard any information merely based off the originating source. I've learned many things from the people that I hate the most, in ways that most people would have just ignored them.
My point still stands, on my Mac, in OSX, QuartzExtreme STILL ACCELERATES MY GRAPHICS WINDOW DISPLAY...
Sheesh... get off your high horse, that this isn't the optimal solution, and see what I'm saying. It's better than it was.
like, that wasn't funny dude...
Ah... thanks for clearing that up. But it still does accellerate the time that matters. Namely, from something changing in software, to changing on the screen.
That's what really matter to me. But I will retain your information that it only really composites.
Emulators have always been legal so long as they didn't include any copywritten information. The problem with Bleem was that they had reverse-engineered the BIOS in the Playstation. Sony claimed that it was done illegally, and the courts kind of agreed.
But Mame32, I don't know of anyway that it's illegal, so long as you have the original software.
Actually, I would have complained about the spelling and/or grammar.
But then I realized we're on slashdot...
!!! I'd make HIM risk his life rewiring it.
Yeah, nvidia sucks for DirectFB also... I actually saw rasterman on #directfb a lot, and talked to him while I was developing the blitting for the nvidia driver for DirectFB.
The odd thing about DirectFB, is only the Matrox has decent acceleration for DirectFB. It's pretty frustrating in my opinion. I like DirectFB a lot, but it just doesn't have the support.
And for all those who say it only takes "participation" I can tell you BULL on that level. I was at one point one of the most educated people on how the nvidia drivers work (outside of nvidia of course) and I didn't know how to accomplish anything besides Boxes, Lines, and Blits... and that's pitiful. But that's all that's available.
You forgot about an even more common example... QUARTZ! Apple's OSX does all rendering through Quartz, (as PDFs) which is accelerated by OpenGL, and called QuartzExtreme.
Woah! I didn't know I had the write to make an adaptation to make it work on my machine. I suppose techinically, making a modification to Microsoft Office to have it run under Linux in some native-ish way (while still maintaining a license of the original software, mind you) would be legal!
5-layer deep redundant response, saying exactly the same thing over again.
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I might be recalling incorrectly, but I believe that the newest version of the GPL requires you to release all patent claims on code that you contribute.
It doesn't require you to terminate the patent or anything, just that you forfeit any right to compensation/whatever due to the use of your patented idea in GPL code.
That way, you can't add in a patented idea, then when someone modifies it, you can't sue them for infringing on your patent.
I don't know how that would apply in your situation of a class rewrite. I agree that a rewrite isn't covered under the same license, but if you integrate that rewrite into a piece of GPL code that had the original, then the "viral" nature of GPL will take over, and the new rewrite will be covered by the GPL, and the original license which was granted reprieve from the patent.
I'll speak some about having actually used SSE and Altivec. I've used Apple's gcc altivec flags, and SSE (and SSE2, but since Altivec doesn't have 2x64bit FP vectors, it's unimportant) assembly.
Having written some code, and hacking it up to do 4x4 matrix multiplication, I set it up to multiply about a million times. I tested standard unvectorized floating point (on both a G4, and P4), altivec on a G4, and SSE on a P4.
My results? Altivec provided a nearly 4x speed boost (even though I was writing results out to memory nearly every single operation), and SSE performed horribly, running almost 2x as slow. I figured out that this was because I was using "movups" instead of "movaps" (unaligned, vs aligned) but I couldn't get aligned moves to work, because GCC wouldn't align my vector to a 128-bit boundary. (you can aligned the stack to a 128-bit boundary, but then the %ebp register goes on, and it craps out everything else)
After trying numerous things, I just outputted the C code to assembly, and hacked it so my vector was alligned, and then SSE showed minimal performance gains at all.
I'm working on rewriting my library to make it so that I don't have to write out all the vectors every single add/mul/madd. But this thread will be old by then, and no one would probably read it.
True, it's a chicken-egg problem. But here's the nice part, if you download it, and it was ok, then it's alright and legal. If you download it and find out it was wrong, then it was illegal.
I see it as only requiring people to be a bit more cautious about what they download. For instance: I know http://www.microsoft.com/ will allow me to download their website, and their content.
On the other hand, http://www.illegal-free-copywritten-software.com/ while viewing their personal content webpage would be ok, same as above. Anything that I download from them will likely be illegal. So, I avoid it.
Then you get somewhere like http://www.downloads.com/ run by c|Net if I remember correctly, which hosts a bunch of software that's not theirs. But, they likely had to legally obtain permission from the authors to post their stuff, with the understanding that it will be freely available to anyone. BEFORE I can download it off their webpage. So, the burden of responsibility falls on their shoulders.
Of course, if something comes out to be illegally posted on their page, then I'm bound to remove my copy just as buying stolen goods requires you to return them, even if you were unaware of the origins at anytime prior to the police coming to ask for them.
If you can do the math to find out how old she is, you're already in the advanced stages of trekocitus. I suggest you consult a physician.