I'm not wrong at all. Looking at the specjbb2005 figures for a T2000, which costs $16K typical, I can tell right now that if you compare it to a 4 CPU / dual core / 8 core opteron box, it will be completely destroyed. That box will cost half as much, too.
There is an issue of power consumption, which may just save sun's bacon. But that's the only reason.
This whole multi-core trend concerns me. Sun Niagra is now out, in the form of the Sunfire T1000 and T2000 computers. These are fine computers. But they really only excel for very specific workloads. Meanwhile, facts are facts. The chips are starved for data.
It's almost comical how the Slash community seems to be so back and forth over which chip is "best". Cart meet horse. Get behind, thee!
So. I am a bit of an AMD fanboi. I admit it. But it's not really about the chip. It's the IO fabric. Hypertransport (which does happen to be on chip) is why AMD is winning this race right now. It's affordable, and scales linearly with the number of chips. Around the corner on AMD's front is HORUS (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18251), the memory fabric to rule them all. Intel should be really afraid here.
I personally can't get all excited about these multi core chips. Now IO solutions. Those interest me.
Computers are entirely IO bound these days. Hello?
Do any Slashdot readers happen to be home in there!?
It take more than that, particularly not if the majority aren't with you. And it they are, you don't need to "ignore" the law, because you can have it changed.
Your niche comment really resonates with me. I was thinking about the Sun Nigara plans, and thinking to myself that they may be able to find a nice low-power cluster niche for themselves. Power and air conditioning bills are nothing to sneeze at, after all.
After all, if you want to be an employed programmer you need to make the computer do what your employer wants it to do.
*Caugh*.
No. Only the current employer. With your big talk of implied firing, one should consider that it is quite possible for an employee to "fire" their employer. Easy schmeasy. Now that we've put that out of the way....
You make this very same decision, every day of your life, in your election to purchase modern first world frivolties instead of sending those critical resources to people literally starving to death in third world nations. How many families in the first world maintain pets? They quite literally care quite a bit more about dogs than they do about humans in other countries. I know this isn't a message that many don't want to hear. But facts are facts, and the behavior of humanity in general is quite inarguably clear in this respect.
We have a similar IT department at my company, one of the "top 10" defense contractors. Here's what I do:
I break the rules.
I find guys in IT, and am nice to them. One guy, I call "candy man," and shcmooze him.
I do have to fill out the paperwork. After the job is actually done.
I game the system.
If someone in IT tells me something I don't like, I pause and count to 10. Slowly. I then say, "I am really unhappy with that."
You'd be surprised at how many people don't like to hear that while doing their job.
Or they can do something, like sneaker net me rule breaking stuff, and then I will rub their back with praise, thank them, and make their job easier.
I also play games with title power, and corporate speak. If there's a problem, I say, "speaking for [my division name], we don't like that." You know, as if I were the voice of the whole division. "We" speak, as in royal We, often makes the little small-minded paeons in IT just sort of pop on their jack boots and march to the corporate drum.
It works. I swear, it's true.
At least where I am.
Good luck to you,
C//
p.s., if these tricks happen to work for you, do be advised that there are, in any given limited time period, only so many bullets in your gun. Aim well, and count your ammunition.
The word 'need' does not mean 'in my studied opinion, they ought to'. It means 'need'. Industry does not need this. Industry doesn't feel or know of any such need. To the contrary, there is a lot of need to the contrary, as in needing to not have to buy all the software over again during a switch. AMD wisely continues to recognize this.
What I'm thinking is that AMD must be having a big party. If Intel is spending another $10B, sending good money after bad, one should think about what they are NOT doing. What they are not doing is spending that $10B on x86. This can only make their up-and-coming competitor quite happy.
It's going to be hard to test the GPL in court when...
There's nothing to test. If no license has been agreed to, then there is nothing at all that granted the rights to use the software. In the copyright law of virtually every country in the world, the rule of copyright law says that "nothing expressly granted is entirely withheld." So when you're surfing the internet for coding examples, and you take some, if there is no statement saying you can, you're committing a violation. Whether or not this is a material violation is questionable, but that it is one is a simple matter of fact.
"Test the GPL in court". As if!!! These are not the droids you are looking for, move along, move along.
AMD has yet to prove the Athlon64 is more than a fluke...
I think they have been executing spectacularly since K7. That's K7, Opteron, and now AMD64, at a minimum. To be fair, they're kicking ass in the 64 bit area because of an/enormous/ strategic error of Intel's: ITANIUM. But AMD's execution has been very good for some time now.
The large scale availability of their products has been a real issue of course. Chicken and the egg thing there: you cannot really expect to be able to service gargantuan market surge until... you are.
I mean let's be real: This is a GAME console, if you don't care about it for playing games, there's little reason to get one, espically at the current prices. $500 is plenty to build a media PC better than any X-box.
I think people looking to do this are expecting both, not one or the other. For me, for it to pay off it has to be a DVD, a Tivo, and a game box.
...To say that a thing is both one thing and another...
But who says that one is saying that? This seems like an abstraction issue, with you personally being unwilling to look at the problem from a different abstraction point of view.
Perhaps you just want an object to have multiple behaviors, and get those behaviors for free? The recommendation here, from the typical representative of the Java crowd, is to say to just hand roll the dispatch....which is what's really implied by MI...
Certainly dynamic languages only/appear/ to have MI. What they do is use/mixins/ instead. Think "dynamic dispatch". MI isn't all bad, you're just not exposed to an entire wing of it -- the effective wing.
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I'm not wrong at all. Looking at the specjbb2005 figures for a T2000, which costs $16K typical, I can tell right now that if you compare it to a 4 CPU / dual core / 8 core opteron box, it will be completely destroyed. That box will cost half as much, too.
There is an issue of power consumption, which may just save sun's bacon. But that's the only reason.
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See here: http://www.spec.org/ [spec.org].
T1000 and T2000 do not appear as a result of the search. Can you point me to the result?
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CPU is waiting for IO (ram, disk).
My point exactly.
If Sun got this so wrong, then why is Intel also following this technique?
Because they are sell to people who don't know the point above.
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But they are weak cores... based on the old USPARC 1's. Just not the same as a quad core x86, which will hand one of those T1000's its lunch.
C//
This whole multi-core trend concerns me. Sun Niagra is now out, in the form of the Sunfire T1000 and T2000 computers. These are fine computers. But they really only excel for very specific workloads. Meanwhile, facts are facts. The chips are starved for data.
It's almost comical how the Slash community seems to be so back and forth over which chip is "best". Cart meet horse. Get behind, thee!
So. I am a bit of an AMD fanboi. I admit it. But it's not really about the chip. It's the IO fabric. Hypertransport (which does happen to be on chip) is why AMD is winning this race right now. It's affordable, and scales linearly with the number of chips. Around the corner on AMD's front is HORUS (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=18251), the memory fabric to rule them all. Intel should be really afraid here.
I personally can't get all excited about these multi core chips. Now IO solutions. Those interest me.
Computers are entirely IO bound these days. Hello?
Do any Slashdot readers happen to be home in there!?
*knockety knock*
C//
It take more than that, particularly not if the majority aren't with you. And it they are, you don't need to "ignore" the law, because you can have it changed.
C//
Your niche comment really resonates with me. I was thinking about the Sun Nigara plans, and thinking to myself that they may be able to find a nice low-power cluster niche for themselves. Power and air conditioning bills are nothing to sneeze at, after all.
C//
"Change of heart". That's the most amusing misspelling of "tired of being laughed at for a decade" that I've ever seen. :)
C//
This doesn't change the fact that people would rather feed their dog than give, pal.
C//
After all, if you want to be an employed programmer you need to make the computer do what your employer wants it to do.
*Caugh*.
No. Only the current employer. With your big talk of implied firing, one should consider that it is quite possible for an employee to "fire" their employer. Easy schmeasy. Now that we've put that out of the way....
C//
You make this very same decision, every day of your life, in your election to purchase modern first world frivolties instead of sending those critical resources to people literally starving to death in third world nations. How many families in the first world maintain pets? They quite literally care quite a bit more about dogs than they do about humans in other countries. I know this isn't a message that many don't want to hear. But facts are facts, and the behavior of humanity in general is quite inarguably clear in this respect.
C//
Indeed, I believe it's actionable if they even ask.
C//
We have a similar IT department at my company, one of the "top 10" defense contractors. Here's what I do:
I break the rules.
I find guys in IT, and am nice to them. One guy, I call "candy man," and shcmooze him.
I do have to fill out the paperwork. After the job is actually done.
I game the system.
If someone in IT tells me something I don't like, I pause and count to 10. Slowly. I then say, "I am really unhappy with that."
You'd be surprised at how many people don't like to hear that while doing their job.
Or they can do something, like sneaker net me rule breaking stuff, and then I will rub their back with praise, thank them, and make their job easier.
I also play games with title power, and corporate speak. If there's a problem, I say, "speaking for [my division name], we don't like that." You know, as if I were the voice of the whole division. "We" speak, as in royal We, often makes the little small-minded paeons in IT just sort of pop on their jack boots and march to the corporate drum.
It works. I swear, it's true.
At least where I am.
Good luck to you,
C//
p.s., if these tricks happen to work for you, do be advised that there are, in any given limited time period, only so many bullets in your gun. Aim well, and count your ammunition.
The word 'need' does not mean 'in my studied opinion, they ought to'. It means 'need'. Industry does not need this. Industry doesn't feel or know of any such need. To the contrary, there is a lot of need to the contrary, as in needing to not have to buy all the software over again during a switch. AMD wisely continues to recognize this.
C//
What I'm thinking is that AMD must be having a big party. If Intel is spending another $10B, sending good money after bad, one should think about what they are NOT doing. What they are not doing is spending that $10B on x86. This can only make their up-and-coming competitor quite happy.
It's going to be hard to test the GPL in court when ...
There's nothing to test. If no license has been agreed to, then there is nothing at all that granted the rights to use the software. In the copyright law of virtually every country in the world, the rule of copyright law says that "nothing expressly granted is entirely withheld." So when you're surfing the internet for coding examples, and you take some, if there is no statement saying you can, you're committing a violation. Whether or not this is a material violation is questionable, but that it is one is a simple matter of fact.
"Test the GPL in court". As if!!! These are not the droids you are looking for, move along, move along.
C//
AMD has yet to prove the Athlon64 is more than a fluke...
/enormous/ strategic error of Intel's: ITANIUM. But AMD's execution has been very good for some time now.
I think they have been executing spectacularly since K7. That's K7, Opteron, and now AMD64, at a minimum. To be fair, they're kicking ass in the 64 bit area because of an
The large scale availability of their products has been a real issue of course. Chicken and the egg thing there: you cannot really expect to be able to service gargantuan market surge until... you are.
Anyway, that's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.
C//
I mean let's be real: This is a GAME console, if you don't care about it for playing games, there's little reason to get one, espically at the current prices. $500 is plenty to build a media PC better than any X-box.
I think people looking to do this are expecting both, not one or the other. For me, for it to pay off it has to be a DVD, a Tivo, and a game box.
C//
You'd bet wrong. The computational forensics guys shake their heads a lot.
That's essentially what they do:
1: they datamine your os, doing things like pulling up favorites, finding "remembered" forms from your favorite browser, and what not.
2: they use that in an intelligent brute force attack against your machine.
It's quite effective.
People are creatures of habit.
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True. But...
No buts! The "protocol" is inequitable.
There are already enough inequities in international "free" trade.
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Ferkrissakes even China signed it!
Methinks China's terms in the protocol may have been a bit more to their liking th an the terms for the USA.
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You're right, percentages don't matter much until you know the initial totals.
If you had a lot of money to invest, you'd be happier with a smaller return on it? Methinks thou shalt not be my financial advisor, young lad.
C//
Citation?
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...To say that a thing is both one thing and another...
...which is what's really implied by MI...
/appear/ to have MI. What they do is use /mixins/ instead. Think "dynamic dispatch". MI isn't all bad, you're just not exposed to an entire wing of it -- the effective wing.
But who says that one is saying that? This seems like an abstraction issue, with you personally being unwilling to look at the problem from a different abstraction point of view.
Perhaps you just want an object to have multiple behaviors, and get those behaviors for free? The recommendation here, from the typical representative of the Java crowd, is to say to just hand roll the dispatch.
Certainly dynamic languages only
C//