This "deal" is the result of Bush getting into office (I won't go so far as to say he was "elected"). The message went out to Redmond loud and clear that this was a much more monopoly-friendly administration.
Good deal, I'm glad to see my vote made a difference. Now the government can quit wasting my tax dollars on this crap.
Even better is the fact it will make them really shy about going after all the integration with XP and.NET the overly paranoid types are whining about. Thank goodness.
The submitter's write-up is wrong. Read the story. Keep in mind, as usual, that a "news" story whose sole source is an executive with an agenda to push is unlikely to portray the situation accurately.
So why the hell do you publish stuff like this? Maybe I'm missing something, I thought the job of an "editor" is to filter crap like this out?
...I have Road Runner in the KC area and it didn't even hiccup when I put XP on my computer.
Now their crappy application that they give you that you can use to manage your email accounts and such doesn't work under it, but it didn't work under 2000 either, so thats not too shocking. Its basically useless if you have.5 clue anyway.
So they won't give you tech support until the get their staff trained on XP. If you are smart enough to use a computer without drooling, I don't think you will have a lot of problems....
Are you so literal that you don't understand that the point of the investigation called for is to INVESTIGATE THE MEANS AND METHODS OF COLLECTION AND STORAGE AS WELL AS THE USE TO WHICH THE INFORMATION WILL BE PUT?
I understand. I still don't see why the government should get involved. This is a transaction between a person and MS. If someone wants to give any information to MS, that's their right last time I checked. If MS wants to use that info, that's their right, last time I checked -- as long as they don't misrepresent what they are going to do with the information. I don't see where its any of the government's business to get involved otherwise, frankly... There is no law against any of this.
Give me all your credit card numbers. Trust me, I will store the information right here in my head. Give me your social security number too. No bad use will be made of this information. I will merely store it here for informational purposes.
Fine... if I give it to you voluntarily, why is it any of the government's business -- reguardless of how well you guard it or don't guard it, or whatever you do with it. Obviously if you get my SSN # and try to impersonate me, or use my Visa number to order a HDTV for yourself, that should be prosecuted. But we already have laws against fraud and theft -- and that doesn't seem to be the scenario people are discussing here.
I don't deserve an investigation on why I want this information, how I will use it, how I will treat it either. I am far more trustworthy than Gates and Co: known and declared by the courts to be criminal in their monopolistic practices, by the way - no arguments, that is a FACT - so you trust known criminals and liars without any investigation?
Last time I checked, individuals and entities were innocent until proven guilty... even liars and criminals.
I know you want big daddy government to take care of you and tuck you into bed at night and tell you everything is going to be OK, but that is hardly the best solution to everything. Either the system is secure enough that people use it, or it isn't and people won't use it. I'm sure the Republic will survive either way.
There IS an implicit right to privacy and this passport scheme smacks of one big violation of that right.
Lets see a system you have to voluntarily sign up for to store your information is violating some unwritten "right" to privacy by storing your private information. Intersting.
Information wants to be free... oh, not stuff about me though... not that information... that's um, super secret information, you know?
Last week, flying between several supposedly very security-conscious airports (Dulles, Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt), I never had to turn my laptop on, probably because I had carefully charged the battery beforehand.
Hell, I flew the first day they opened up air traffic after Sept 11th, and then seven or eight times in the next couple of weeks through lots of airports, carrying a laptop, a cell phone, a palm pilot, and a GBA and was never asked to turn any of them on.
So? Even if you accept all that you say, companies and individuals build systems all the time that store personal info, have a SPF, etc... Should every one of them be investigated? What for? Even if it were proven that Passport is fundamentally insecure -- its still not illegal in any sense... so why should the government be poking around in it?
An investigation into the information collection practices of Microsoft through Passport and associated services.
Translation: We don't know if they are doing anything wrong or not, please go on a fishing expedition for us.
A revision to the XP registration procedures so that purchasers of Microsoft XP are clearly informed that they need not register for Passport to obtain access to the Internet.
Why? Should they have to say you don't have to register for passport to use Notepad too? Silly.
An order to incorporate techniques for anonymity and pseudo-anonymity that would allow users of Windows XP to gain access to Microsoft web sites without disclosing their actual identity
Why? Their MS's web sites... if they say, "Sorry, you have to paint your nipples blue to access this web site", don't they have that right?
An order to incorporate techniques that would enable users of Windows XP to easily integrate services provided by non-Microsoft companies for online payment, electronic commerce, and other Internet-based commercial activity
Hmm... I used Yahoo Wallet on my computer running XP and it worked just fine... doesn't that qualify for the above?
An investigation to determine whether Passport complies with the requirements of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.
Translation: We don't know if they are doing anything wrong or not, please go on a fishing expedition for us.
Don't these groups have anything better to do? I know they have to raise a stink once in a while to keep the money rolling in, but damn, they sure look like they are desparately grasping at straws here.
Fascinating. So if your ISP just decided to drop the letter P wherever it appeared in a packet, without telling you, you'd have no problem with that? You don't own their network, after all.
Its their right... I'd have a problem with it, sure. But the fact I have a problem with it doesn't mean they don't have the right to do it. I'd go get another ISP. Problem solved.
Contracts are good for avoiding this sort of thing as well, you know?
Since when does anyone, anywhere have the right to send email? Since when does anyone have the right to have their data go over a network that they don't own? If someone wants to drop the letter 'P' from every packet that goes over their network, last time I checked, they still have that right. And if they don't want to carry your email, for whatever reason, last time I checked, they have that right.
And the EFF wants to get rid of your rights... sigh..
1) You stuff is too expensive, so I don't want it
2) Most of your stuff is crap
3) Therefore, since I don't want to buy what you are offering, and its no good anyway, I'm going to steal it, since its more convienent.
Therefore, the music business should come up with new infrastructure, marketing plans, etc... to gain someone who likely won't be a customer anyway. I mean, even if music is available for sale, people will still steal, becuase its free.
I mean, the wide distribution of porn on the internet for reasonable prices sure hasn't make alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.* go away, now has it?
The very fact that you do not oppose the USA Act indicates you either do not grasp the what is happening or do care what is happening, either way, you are a sheep ready for slaughter.
Ah, thank goodness we have Nitche's uberman here to tell us sheep how to think. You know, you would fit right in with the Taliban, they are really quite tolerant of different points of view as well, from what I hear.
Don't worry though, I hear through proper therapy and the right drugs that the disabling paranoia you feel is treatable and you have a chance of living a full life.
I will be interested to see if you still feel the same way when the next round of laws come, which will make it illegal to "Speak out against our government in times of crisis".
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Usually pulled out then someone realizes they have a flawed position so they start throwing around "what if.." scenarios.
If someone proposes such legislation, I would oppose it, but they haven't, so I don't.
Do you want to feel safe, or do you want to be free?
Its hardly the mutually exclusive choice that you make it out to be.
If it means giving up the "freedom" to illegally gamble at off shore casinos... I can live with that.
If it means that the government can "eavesdrop" over an insecure medium such as the internet.. fine.
If it means a very sensical restructuring of goverment wiretap laws, I'm fine with that.
Basically theres nothing to get excited about here. I know these so called privacy groups have to raise a rucus in order to keep people contributing to their cause, but really its sick to see them exploiting a rather level headed bill for their own ends.
It is certainly within human ability to remember one 11-digit
I believe that in the US the reason we have 7 digit phone numbers is because of the 7 +-2 rule, which is that most people can remember 7 +-2 numbers will little difficulty. Now that we are running short of numbers and you have 10 digit dialing a lot of places, I'm betting they wish they had gone with 8.
Of course, you can always do little tricks... I mean most people couldn't remember the sequence 1 0 0 2 2 9 4 1 6 7 7 1 if you asked for it back in a half hour, but could remember 2001 1492 1776 backwords if you asked them.
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That guy didn't direct Tomb Raider... that was Simon West... bleh...
From what I can surmise, the speech dealt both with her love of money and her desire to roll around naked in a pile of money."
Hell, I could use a little roll in a pile of money myself right now... I sure wouldn't hold that against anyone.
Oh you are right.. having the government control everything is such a better solution....
idiot.
This "deal" is the result of Bush getting into office (I won't go so far as to say he was "elected"). The message went out to Redmond loud and clear that this was a much more monopoly-friendly administration.
.NET the overly paranoid types are whining about. Thank goodness.
Good deal, I'm glad to see my vote made a difference. Now the government can quit wasting my tax dollars on this crap.
Even better is the fact it will make them really shy about going after all the integration with XP and
The submitter's write-up is wrong. Read the story. Keep in mind, as usual, that a "news" story whose sole source is an executive with an agenda to push is unlikely to portray the situation accurately.
So why the hell do you publish stuff like this? Maybe I'm missing something, I thought the job of an "editor" is to filter crap like this out?
...I have Road Runner in the KC area and it didn't even hiccup when I put XP on my computer.
.5 clue anyway.
Now their crappy application that they give you that you can use to manage your email accounts and such doesn't work under it, but it didn't work under 2000 either, so thats not too shocking. Its basically useless if you have
So they won't give you tech support until the get their staff trained on XP. If you are smart enough to use a computer without drooling, I don't think you will have a lot of problems....
Are you so literal that you don't understand that the point of the investigation called for is to INVESTIGATE THE MEANS AND METHODS OF COLLECTION AND STORAGE AS WELL AS THE USE TO WHICH THE INFORMATION WILL BE PUT?
I understand. I still don't see why the government should get involved. This is a transaction between a person and MS. If someone wants to give any information to MS, that's their right last time I checked. If MS wants to use that info, that's their right, last time I checked -- as long as they don't misrepresent what they are going to do with the information. I don't see where its any of the government's business to get involved otherwise, frankly... There is no law against any of this.
Give me all your credit card numbers. Trust me, I will store the information right here in my head. Give me your social security number too. No bad use will be made of this information. I will merely store it here for informational purposes.
Fine... if I give it to you voluntarily, why is it any of the government's business -- reguardless of how well you guard it or don't guard it, or whatever you do with it. Obviously if you get my SSN # and try to impersonate me, or use my Visa number to order a HDTV for yourself, that should be prosecuted. But we already have laws against fraud and theft -- and that doesn't seem to be the scenario people are discussing here.
I don't deserve an investigation on why I want this information, how I will use it, how I will treat it either. I am far more trustworthy than Gates and Co: known and declared by the courts to be criminal in their monopolistic practices, by the way - no arguments, that is a FACT - so you trust known criminals and liars without any investigation?
Last time I checked, individuals and entities were innocent until proven guilty... even liars and criminals.
I know you want big daddy government to take care of you and tuck you into bed at night and tell you everything is going to be OK, but that is hardly the best solution to everything. Either the system is secure enough that people use it, or it isn't and people won't use it. I'm sure the Republic will survive either way.
There IS an implicit right to privacy and this passport scheme smacks of one big violation of that right.
Lets see a system you have to voluntarily sign up for to store your information is violating some unwritten "right" to privacy by storing your private information. Intersting.
Information wants to be free... oh, not stuff about me though... not that information... that's um, super secret information, you know?
Last week, flying between several supposedly very security-conscious airports (Dulles, Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt), I never had to turn my laptop on, probably because I had carefully charged the battery beforehand.
Hell, I flew the first day they opened up air traffic after Sept 11th, and then seven or eight times in the next couple of weeks through lots of airports, carrying a laptop, a cell phone, a palm pilot, and a GBA and was never asked to turn any of them on.
So? Even if you accept all that you say, companies and individuals build systems all the time that store personal info, have a SPF, etc... Should every one of them be investigated? What for? Even if it were proven that Passport is fundamentally insecure -- its still not illegal in any sense... so why should the government be poking around in it?
They SHOULD be investigated. Their passport system is INHERENTLY insecure.
I wasn't aware that having an insecure system was a crime.... care to cite the law in question?
Look at what they want... this is silly...
An investigation into the information collection practices of Microsoft through Passport and associated services.
Translation: We don't know if they are doing anything wrong or not, please go on a fishing expedition for us.
A revision to the XP registration procedures so that purchasers of Microsoft XP are clearly informed that they need not register for Passport to obtain access to the Internet.
Why? Should they have to say you don't have to register for passport to use Notepad too? Silly.
An order to incorporate techniques for anonymity and pseudo-anonymity that would allow users of Windows XP to gain access to Microsoft web sites without disclosing their actual identity
Why? Their MS's web sites... if they say, "Sorry, you have to paint your nipples blue to access this web site", don't they have that right?
An order to incorporate techniques that would enable users of Windows XP to easily integrate services provided by non-Microsoft companies for online payment, electronic commerce, and other Internet-based commercial activity
Hmm... I used Yahoo Wallet on my computer running XP and it worked just fine... doesn't that qualify for the above?
An investigation to determine whether Passport complies with the requirements of the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act.
Translation: We don't know if they are doing anything wrong or not, please go on a fishing expedition for us.
Don't these groups have anything better to do? I know they have to raise a stink once in a while to keep the money rolling in, but damn, they sure look like they are desparately grasping at straws here.
This is a marvel of engineering
Yes it certainly puts the Apollo program, the Golden Gate bridge and the Great Pyramids in their place...
Its a freakin' firewire hard drive... whoppy shit.
Fascinating. So if your ISP just decided to drop the letter P wherever it appeared in a packet, without telling you, you'd have no problem with that? You don't own their network, after all.
Its their right... I'd have a problem with it, sure. But the fact I have a problem with it doesn't mean they don't have the right to do it. I'd go get another ISP. Problem solved.
Contracts are good for avoiding this sort of thing as well, you know?
Since when does anyone, anywhere have the right to send email? Since when does anyone have the right to have their data go over a network that they don't own? If someone wants to drop the letter 'P' from every packet that goes over their network, last time I checked, they still have that right. And if they don't want to carry your email, for whatever reason, last time I checked, they have that right.
And the EFF wants to get rid of your rights... sigh..
Software is becoming more and more of a commodity industry, so it makes sense to try to move more in a services type direction.
Awesome. Microsoft's Anti-Spam initiative forces POP users to use the primary sender of mail worms.
Good... maybe that will force people to apply their damn patches so I quit getting their documents in my mailbox.
This is brillant!
1) You stuff is too expensive, so I don't want it
2) Most of your stuff is crap
3) Therefore, since I don't want to buy what you are offering, and its no good anyway, I'm going to steal it, since its more convienent.
Therefore, the music business should come up with new infrastructure, marketing plans, etc... to gain someone who likely won't be a customer anyway. I mean, even if music is available for sale, people will still steal, becuase its free.
I mean, the wide distribution of porn on the internet for reasonable prices sure hasn't make alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica.* go away, now has it?
The very fact that you do not oppose the USA Act indicates you either do not grasp the what is happening or do care what is happening, either way, you are a sheep ready for slaughter.
Ah, thank goodness we have Nitche's uberman here to tell us sheep how to think. You know, you would fit right in with the Taliban, they are really quite tolerant of different points of view as well, from what I hear.
Don't worry though, I hear through proper therapy and the right drugs that the disabling paranoia you feel is treatable and you have a chance of living a full life.
I will be interested to see if you still feel the same way when the next round of laws come, which will make it illegal to "Speak out against our government in times of crisis".
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Usually pulled out then someone realizes they have a flawed position so they start throwing around "what if.." scenarios.
If someone proposes such legislation, I would oppose it, but they haven't, so I don't.
And they last forever.
Actually if you had read the bill, which you obviously haven't, you would see that there are 2 year sunset provisions for these changes.
But don't let facts get in the way of your argument or anything like that...
Do you want to feel safe, or do you want to be free?
Its hardly the mutually exclusive choice that you make it out to be.
If it means giving up the "freedom" to illegally gamble at off shore casinos... I can live with that.
If it means that the government can "eavesdrop" over an insecure medium such as the internet.. fine.
If it means a very sensical restructuring of goverment wiretap laws, I'm fine with that.
Basically theres nothing to get excited about here. I know these so called privacy groups have to raise a rucus in order to keep people contributing to their cause, but really its sick to see them exploiting a rather level headed bill for their own ends.
Sounds reasonable to me.
It is certainly within human ability to remember one 11-digit
I believe that in the US the reason we have 7 digit phone numbers is because of the 7 +-2 rule, which is that most people can remember 7 +-2 numbers will little difficulty. Now that we are running short of numbers and you have 10 digit dialing a lot of places, I'm betting they wish they had gone with 8.
Of course, you can always do little tricks... I mean most people couldn't remember the sequence 1 0 0 2 2 9 4 1 6 7 7 1 if you asked for it back in a half hour, but could remember 2001 1492 1776 backwords if you asked them.
..the privacy crowd on this one? I don't mind my personal information being sold, but man, no one needs to know this...