Very true. The lowest common demoninator is actually using the sections of HTML and CSS that are well supported by both IE and Gecko (and, these days, KHTML is important enough to need to consider, too). This _is_ possible, and isn't even that hard.
Which makes it all the stranger that so many sites will only work properly in IE.
* these bees don't store honey, so they depend on flowers
* the temperature drop wasn't enough to trigger hibernation
* [not from TFA] the queen can't survive alone, nor can larvae
* the flowers in the region don't survive asteroid winters at all
* ergo, neither did the bees
This is all postulated from the modern behaviour of a probably-related but definitely distinct species and wild guesswork. There is no presented evidence that the ancient species that pre-existed the event behaved in even a remotely similar way.
I'll tell you something, it rarely reaches 91 degrees F (which I make to be about 33 degrees C) where I live, yet a wide variety of bees seem to survive perfectly adequately in this climate. A 22 degree F drop (12 degrees C) would probably make temperatures here drop to the freezing point for about 6 months of the year. I'm sure you could find somewhere that would be freezing all year round _and_ support a bee population in normal conditions.
Next time you're quoting me, don't cut out context just because it doesn't support your point. The "more than enough money" section you quote was about what they see from me. I don't see why _I_ need to support them any more than I already do.
And putting up with me downloading free copies of their distribution is one of the payments they make for the fact that THEY DISTRIBUTE CODE I WROTE.
In addition to this, SuSE had somewhere in the region of $500 directly because of me making recommendations to my clients over the last 2 years.
And, despite all of this, you're calling ME a freeloader? Go and get a life.
There wasn't much gap between them. I dl'd personal 9.1 within a week or so of the release of the professional version. Pro 9.2 has already been out a long time, and I don't think they're going to release a personal version this time.
There are still keyboard shortcuts for everything in Word, if you want to go ahead and learn them to improve efficiency.
Yeah, and I know most of them. I still think WP's interface was more efficient (although I'll admit it's been well over 10 years since I used it last, and I only used it for about 6 months at the time). Even commonly used features that require two keystrokes in Word (e.g. bold & italic) could be done with one in WP, if memory serves.
I have fond memories of WP5.1 for DOS but I am so glad that we have moved away from SHIFT+ALT+CTRL F11 for foo. WordPerfect took over from WordStar because of superior interface and design. While many people adore WP I wonder if it is more of a holdover from years gone by rather than actual superiority.
Perhaps it's because once you've learned it, the interface style you're "glad that we have moved away from" is actually superior to most modern interfaces, at least in terms of operator efficiency. It's just the learning curve that's a bitch.
Well, British is a generic term that refers to anything that comes from Britain, but the UK government have still placed restrictions on its use, that means that despite the fact I run a British company that offers Internet consultancy, I can't call it British Internet...
Then why would you choose not to pay for it? Nothing says "I support what you're doing" to a large corporation more then "here's some money".
SuSE make more than enough money from the corporate installations I perform to fund me getting a personal copy for free, is the way I see it. This is what I like about free software -- the relaxed licensing. When it gets difficult for me to get hold of the latest versions of the software, I sometimes wonder if I should move on to a different distribution.
it just seems a little well clique-y to put America in the title.
Cliquey doesn't begin to cover it. Cliche is the word I'd use.
BTW: Over here in the UK it's illegal to use the word "British" or similar indications in a company or business name without getting official permission first. Does America not have a similar restriction?
3 years might have been nice, but 5 years seems a little too long to me
Sorry, 3 years is infeasible for the kind of development this will take. How long was SS1 in development? This is at least an order of magnitude more complicated.
I'm not sure 5 years is possible, but I'm hoping to be proved wrong.
The last version of SuSE had a "personal" edition, which was 1 CD including source. Very cut down. Had OO.org, Firefox + Thunderbird, KDE but no GNOME, very limited dev tools, but adequate for web browsing & basic office work, which is what I assume this is aimed at.
Why do you say that? I see nothing in Novell's documentation that suggests you need a "Novell network" (by which I presume you mean a NetWare server) to take advantage of this.
I've got a system at home that I installed with the SuSE personal ISO image, and then upgraded by downloading SuSE professional RPMs to have all the useful stuff.
Is this going to be the same? Or have they stopped you from doing this?
I have a question then: how would their copyrighted feature with strings attached get into mainstream TCP/IP implementations?
We'd almost certainly be talking about patents, not copyright. I don't believe it would be possible for any MS copyright material to end up in, say, Linux's TCP/IP stack.
In terms of patents, how it would happen is that MS's research department would have been playing around with an idea to improve Windows networking back in its early days. They'd patent it, and then it might or might not work its way into an eventual product -- that's irrelevant. If another researcher subsequently suggests the same idea as an improvement to TCP/IP, whether or not they knew about MS's implementation, then that would infringe on MS's IP rights. MS doesn't have to offer the idea up to other implementors themselves.
Undamaged goods cannot be returned "no questions asked", unless one of the two conditions holds:
1. You bought them on credit (this is presumably related to the Consumer Credit Act, not the Sale of Goods Act, but I don't know how long you have) 2. You bought them mail order (Distance Selling Regulations -- you get 28 days)
In the UK you can return undamaged goods no questions asked for a short period (either 14, 28, or 30 days, I forget which) after you purchased them (sale of goods act).
It's 3 months, and the Sale of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002. (IANAL-BIHRTL)
Under this directive, as transposed into the national laws of most of the member states, the minimum warranty period of two years for consumer goods is mandatory. [emphasis mine]
Ah. This explains things -- I've read the UK legislation based on that directive, and it only requires 3 months, or the consumer being able to show that the nature of the fault indicates that it was likely that it was present when the goods were purchased. Obviously this is not the same as a 2 year warranty.
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That is a ridiculous suggestion.
Again? I've been seeing this behaviour since moz build 2003040105 (and probably earlier), which (I think) predates FireFox...
Very true. The lowest common demoninator is actually using the sections of HTML and CSS that are well supported by both IE and Gecko (and, these days, KHTML is important enough to need to consider, too). This _is_ possible, and isn't even that hard.
Which makes it all the stranger that so many sites will only work properly in IE.
I think it's inappropriate to refute his post with such floccinaucinihilipilification.
Absolutely. We all know that can lead to pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniconiosis if you aren't careful.
* these bees don't store honey, so they depend on flowers
* the temperature drop wasn't enough to trigger hibernation
* [not from TFA] the queen can't survive alone, nor can larvae
* the flowers in the region don't survive asteroid winters at all
* ergo, neither did the bees
This is all postulated from the modern behaviour of a probably-related but definitely distinct species and wild guesswork. There is no presented evidence that the ancient species that pre-existed the event behaved in even a remotely similar way.
I'll tell you something, it rarely reaches 91 degrees F (which I make to be about 33 degrees C) where I live, yet a wide variety of bees seem to survive perfectly adequately in this climate. A 22 degree F drop (12 degrees C) would probably make temperatures here drop to the freezing point for about 6 months of the year. I'm sure you could find somewhere that would be freezing all year round _and_ support a bee population in normal conditions.
Next time you're quoting me, don't cut out context just because it doesn't support your point. The "more than enough money" section you quote was about what they see from me. I don't see why _I_ need to support them any more than I already do.
And putting up with me downloading free copies of their distribution is one of the payments they make for the fact that THEY DISTRIBUTE CODE I WROTE.
In addition to this, SuSE had somewhere in the region of $500 directly because of me making recommendations to my clients over the last 2 years.
And, despite all of this, you're calling ME a freeloader? Go and get a life.
There wasn't much gap between them. I dl'd personal 9.1 within a week or so of the release of the professional version. Pro 9.2 has already been out a long time, and I don't think they're going to release a personal version this time.
There are still keyboard shortcuts for everything in Word, if you want to go ahead and learn them to improve efficiency.
Yeah, and I know most of them. I still think WP's interface was more efficient (although I'll admit it's been well over 10 years since I used it last, and I only used it for about 6 months at the time). Even commonly used features that require two keystrokes in Word (e.g. bold & italic) could be done with one in WP, if memory serves.
No. But the sign still goes in front.
I have fond memories of WP5.1 for DOS but I am so glad that we have moved away from SHIFT+ALT+CTRL F11 for foo. WordPerfect took over from WordStar because of superior interface and design. While many people adore WP I wonder if it is more of a holdover from years gone by rather than actual superiority.
Perhaps it's because once you've learned it, the interface style you're "glad that we have moved away from" is actually superior to most modern interfaces, at least in terms of operator efficiency. It's just the learning curve that's a bitch.
Well, British is a generic term that refers to anything that comes from Britain, but the UK government have still placed restrictions on its use, that means that despite the fact I run a British company that offers Internet consultancy, I can't call it British Internet...
Then why would you choose not to pay for it? Nothing says "I support what you're doing" to a large corporation more then "here's some money".
SuSE make more than enough money from the corporate installations I perform to fund me getting a personal copy for free, is the way I see it. This is what I like about free software -- the relaxed licensing. When it gets difficult for me to get hold of the latest versions of the software, I sometimes wonder if I should move on to a different distribution.
Novell is NOT, I repeat, NOT killing the end-user SUSE LINUX OS product
No, I'm aware of this. Read my post again. They killed SuSE Personal, which was the single CD trimmed down distribution.
it just seems a little well clique-y to put America in the title.
Cliquey doesn't begin to cover it. Cliche is the word I'd use.
BTW: Over here in the UK it's illegal to use the word "British" or similar indications in a company or business name without getting official permission first. Does America not have a similar restriction?
3 years might have been nice, but 5 years seems a little too long to me
Sorry, 3 years is infeasible for the kind of development this will take. How long was SS1 in development? This is at least an order of magnitude more complicated.
I'm not sure 5 years is possible, but I'm hoping to be proved wrong.
Figures. I knew they'd killed SuSE personal for a reason: they wanted to make money off it and knew they couldn't with the old model.
The last version of SuSE had a "personal" edition, which was 1 CD including source. Very cut down. Had OO.org, Firefox + Thunderbird, KDE but no GNOME, very limited dev tools, but adequate for web browsing & basic office work, which is what I assume this is aimed at.
Let's all try the "eval".
Yes, let's all reward Novell's efforts in releasing a new Linux distribution by simultaneously attempting to download 2 Gb of data.
Why do you say that? I see nothing in Novell's documentation that suggests you need a "Novell network" (by which I presume you mean a NetWare server) to take advantage of this.
I've got a system at home that I installed with the SuSE personal ISO image, and then upgraded by downloading SuSE professional RPMs to have all the useful stuff.
Is this going to be the same? Or have they stopped you from doing this?
I have a question then: how would their copyrighted feature with strings attached get into mainstream TCP/IP implementations?
We'd almost certainly be talking about patents, not copyright. I don't believe it would be possible for any MS copyright material to end up in, say, Linux's TCP/IP stack.
In terms of patents, how it would happen is that MS's research department would have been playing around with an idea to improve Windows networking back in its early days. They'd patent it, and then it might or might not work its way into an eventual product -- that's irrelevant. If another researcher subsequently suggests the same idea as an improvement to TCP/IP, whether or not they knew about MS's implementation, then that would infringe on MS's IP rights. MS doesn't have to offer the idea up to other implementors themselves.
Sorry, I'm wrong there. I misread what you said.
Undamaged goods cannot be returned "no questions asked", unless one of the two conditions holds:
1. You bought them on credit (this is presumably related to the Consumer Credit Act, not the Sale of Goods Act, but I don't know how long you have)
2. You bought them mail order (Distance Selling Regulations -- you get 28 days)
IASNAL.
In the UK you can return undamaged goods no questions asked for a short period (either 14, 28, or 30 days, I forget which) after you purchased them (sale of goods act).
It's 3 months, and the Sale of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002. (IANAL-BIHRTL)
Under this directive, as transposed into the national laws of most of the member states, the minimum warranty period of two years for consumer goods is mandatory. [emphasis mine]
Ah. This explains things -- I've read the UK legislation based on that directive, and it only requires 3 months, or the consumer being able to show that the nature of the fault indicates that it was likely that it was present when the goods were purchased. Obviously this is not the same as a 2 year warranty.