Yes, we shouldnt come up with the generally assumption that all bad outsourcing comes from India. I'm sure theres other countries that outsource jobs that have the capability to be just as bad as India. But I think India will still be considered #1 culprit due to the sheer number of problems.
There is a lot of demand, because the illegal copies are FREE.
Tell that to Apple. They charge for music downloads with their iTunes service despite there being a large number of "free" ways of downloading music. They currently eclipse all illegal venues for downloading music combined. So your anology is incorrect. People have no problem paying for media as long as it is cheap and easy to get. Thats the quick success method used by Blockbuster, Walmart, Lowes, etc. The music industry is just starting to learn this lesson many years after Napster. Now, the movie industry has to learn the same lesson. They are starting like the music industry and trying to sue the pants off the illegal sites. This will ultimetly fail and they will have to come up with a better solution. Someone like Microsoft, or even Apple again, will step in and come up with a legal subscribtion service and make lots of $$$.
It's kind of funny how they treat their theory like a religion.
No, its kinda sad how people are so misguided with their religion that they try to make it a science. Throughout history, religion has been incorrectly used as a science (good example is how religion was used for medical purposes). True science has always prevailed and it made some look down upon religion because of this.
Religion is not a science. Don't use it as one. Science is not a religion. Don't see it as one.
They do not go "hand in hand". They also should never compete. If you find yourself doing so, your just wrong.
Okay, I have no problem with the sticker EXCEPT it never includes "Creationism is a theory, not a fact". Seems fair to present BOTH as theories rather than just evolution.
Evolution is always open for question or debate. Its a scietific theory. You can try to find flaws in it all you want. Its actually desired that you try to prove any scientific theory as incorrect. Same with creationism. Is you prove either theory as wrong, you either give more credit to the other OR create a new theory.
Great idea. I would love to write XUL apps but find it rather lame that I would have to inform people to load Mozilla, Firefox, or Thunderbird just to render the app due to the need for a GRE. Yes, I would have to ensure they have the GRE installed, but this seems a more plausible solution.
Actually, "most" was the correct word. Most people are computer ignorant. Does this make them stupid? No. They just have no need for such knowledge generally and never spent the time learning it. A good example: MOST adult American's drive cars, but MOST have no idea on how to fix it when it breaks. "Most" is used to mean majority. Using the word "some" is interpreted as a minority. Heres a quick way to figure it out: is the percentage of people in your poll greater than 50%? If so, use the word "most". Otherwise, use "some" since its obviously less and thus the minority (this taken that you only have two groups ofcourse).
If the *AA thought they'd have an easier time with the new, more Republican Senate next year, they wouldn't be in a hurry to get this passed right now.
Your logic that the current Republican controlled Senate will be different than the Republican controlled Senate in January is very suspect.
Did you ever think that the rush is to get this in to law before the new year? The new Republican Senate will be going after strong party wins in things like social security and defense. Disney would have to wait if that occured.
This is a political campaign site with political campaign propaganda.
Yep, its all smoke and mirrors and Bush's site.
it's obviously not some kind of "international censorship".
Well, if the Bush and Cheney site is blocking international visitors to the site, that is international censorship.
They have little to no obligation to serve anyone outside of the US, with the statistically negligible exception of US citizens outside the US.
Are those negligible exceptions the U.S. soldiers serving overseas?
While you're at it, explain to me how it's right for the Guardian to encourage its UK readers, i.e., not US citizens, to start a letter writing and email campaign to Ohioans encouraging them to vote for John Kerry
Seeing as how thousands of British soldiers are being put in harms way for the sheer purpose of a U.S. offensive into Falluja (just in time for the elections I noticed) I believe, in my own opinion, that the British people have the right to be heard. Trying to censor them would mean that we, as Americans, are trying to prevent others from having free speech. I thought the Bush message was for "spreading democracy"?
Actually, Windows XP licensing requires that companies ship a full copy of Windows XP with their systems.
Complete and utter BS. Please show me a copy of this license. I am sure I am not the only Slashdotter who would really love to read it. If this was true I would start sueing these companies for my copies tomorrow!
You don't ever need to "insert the Windows CD" anymore.
Probably not unless you have a corrupt or damaged driver. Sadly, this happens way too often.
Here's some reading material for you to chew on from your buddy Bill: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?k bid=322 205&product=winxp
Anyone telling these poor souls that they need to go buy a full retail version of Windows just to get an in-box driver installed doesn't know ANYTHING about administering windows.
Administering windows? You are correct: everyone should get certified by Microsoft before using a computer. They really are not for everyday use.
Perhaps the last time such people used Windows was in the Win98 days? Perhaps they should re-examine their biased assumptions?
I'm not biased at all. A large number of home computers still run Windows 98. Thats just a fact Jack. I guess you believe everyone should be running XP or 2000? That seems biased to me.
wonder if they actually sell much Windoze at the retail price of about $300.
You'd be really surprised. The $50 install on the Dell/HP/Gateway boxes often does not include a full version of the software on CD with it. This means that if the user needs a driver or their OS needs saved and the useless Recovery CD does not do the trick, they have to go to the store and buy a copy. This is amazingly very common. If you have a full version copy, your very popular...
Original statement from Chrax: And as a side note, I don't like the fact that you have to type four lines of code to do what C++ could do with a simple cin >> var;
My response: in Java would be:
System.in.read(var);
Which you are stated was incorrect because, (quoting you):
That will produce an unhandled exception error. And, doesn't even work if var is not type byte[] [sun.com].
But where did Chrax say that var was not a byte array? In fact, he never said what var was. And as I demonstrated with using wrappers you could read all primitive types even if they were not byte arrays. Your other statements were incorrect in that you stated that you need to import IOException which is not true. Infact, you could simply make the method throw an Exception which would not require any try/catch blocks in the method or require importing IOException. Its a bad practice IMHO. In C/C++, you should ALWAYS check for exceptions when reading from stdin. Thats basic good programming practice.
I am not defending or attacking Java, but you seem a little over defensive.
Actually you responded to my response to Chrax with incorrect, or probably just misguided, information. Im sorry that misunderstood my response and took it personal.
Yep. Because both "System.in.read" and "cin > var" can both produce exceptions. The only difference is Java requires that you atleast try to do something about it when someone does the unexpected. Sorta like defining var as an int and then someone goes and enters "hello world". I can not image how you could say that C/C++ has an advantage since it lets programmers create easy ways to have their programs trashed.
And, doesn't even work if var is not type byte[].
A byte array can convert to all primitives. Its about as base as you can get. Java supports more advanced stream wrappers that extend InputStream if you want simplified methods for particular primitive types. DataInputStream, for example, gives simplified and secure methods for getting ints, chars, longs, shorts, and Strings. For example:
DataInputStream ds = new DataInputStream(System.in);
With that you could now do things like:
ds.readByte() ds.readChar() etc, etc, etc.
The wrappers also make the streams very robust with features like i8n and buffering.
Object orientation is a terribly inefficient way to program.
OOP advantage is best seen in large projects. Particullary collaborations. I've worked on large codebase non-OO projects before and know the headaches.
Also, what about compile times and the fact that Java actually doesn't work on all interfaces?
Dunno. What interfaces are you talking about?
Compile times? Java's pretty speedy compiling. Than again, I dont have a 286. Will say this though: Make is a hell of a lot quicker than Ant. Ofcourse you could always use Make for building java though.
(And as a side note, I don't like the fact that you have to type four lines of code to do what C++ could do with a simple cin >> var;
I find many of Gatners findings run contrary to reality. This ones included. I would wager to guess that there are people buying Linux installed PCs and installing Windows on them. But are they pirated copies of Windows? That is where I disagree with Gartner. I have seen many times where people, already owning a copy of Windows, bought a PC sans Windows for the cheaper price and installed Windows on it. Now, the question becomes: is installing an owned copy of Windows on a new box pirating? Im sure according to Redmond, and Gartner, you have to buy a new copy of Windows to be legit. Its always been my view, and many others for that matter, that the PC and software are two seperate components. To say: 1 computer = 1 install only is idiotic. If I replace a computer with a new computer my version of Windows should be able to be migrated. Period.
So, care to tell me where all the America-owned oilfields are in Iraq now?
Mostly in the south near Kuwait. There are also some in the north-east near Iran and Turkey.
Since we're just so controlling of all that oil, even though we don't own any, haven't gotten any, and haven't seen a single benefit from it.
This is not a "we're" thing. Its a "them". American oil companies, not the US government, have control of the oil. They have exclusive contracts to purchase the oil from Iraq's ( at very cheap prices) for resale. The Iraq people have no way of selling the oil outside their country anyways. The oil giants then sale it to foreign countries like Russia, China, Japan, etc. The United States gets most of its foreign oil from Venezula (sp). To the oil giants selling oil here has no purpose.
Yes, they were Muslim terrorists with indirect ties to Al-Queda.
Prove it. The only one who has made that claim is the Soviet government. Our government has never said that. And if you believe everything Putin says you must be agreeing with his comments that state that we have been assisting the terrorists for years:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/07/p ut in.us/index.html
Don't you mean the liberal media machine?
Nope. I meant the massive conservative media. The conservative media is the biggest media market.
Ah, nothing like a dose of liberal paranoia to make me smile.:)
Actually Im a conservative. A true conservative unlike yourself. I believe in the founders of the U.S. constitition and the rights beget upon all Americans. Red, white, and blue through and through. I served in the army defending this great land. Your just a republican apology maker.
The Checks and Balances system. Look it up sometime.
Who is that exactly? If the president controls the military and can lock up anyone who opposes him, does he not have the same powers as Sadam had as president of Iraq? In otherwords, Bush could become a dictator tomorrow. Wheres you precious checks and balances then?
Sometime, look up the definition of what constitutes an enemy combatant and get back to me.
I looked it up. It doesnt exist. Theres no definition of that term in the geneva convention.
What this tells me is that you feel holding a FUCKING SCHOOL FULL OF CHILDREN HOSTAGE is a justifiable act of rebellion rather than an act of terrorism.
Russian soldiers used to shell Chechen schools, churches, etc. Whats the difference? They did it with full knowledge that it would kill hordes of civilians: women, children, elderly. They used that as a way to break the Chechen will to fight. You should do what our government did with those two fighting: don't get involved. Neither side is "right".
I guess Saddam killing his own people is something you are okay with tolerating.
Who cares? China has been killing thousands upon thousands of their own people for decades. Should we invade? Oh wait, theres no oil in China. Guess thats a sure "no" from the Cheney camp.
Look at how "effective" the UN is now, sitting down and sipping tea at lunch while people are being slaughtered in Sudan.
Hahaha!! Sudan has been in a civil war for over two decades. Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton: all did absolutely nothing. Bush Jr sends a tiny contingent of marines there who never touched the beach until French military secured the area for them. The French went through and brokered a peace deal while the marines ran right back to the boat a few weeks later.
And now terrorists have killed children in Russia. At some point, you kind of have to do something to stop the bad guys.
Terrorists? Do you know what Russia has done to the Chechen people? Do you know why Putin is blaming the United States for aiding them?
Gawd!!!! Its very apparent why the conservative media machine is so effective: its audience consist of idiots.
Go read a history book.
Because when you're captured in combat, you're an enemy combatant.
No your a "Prisoner of War" with is clearly defined in the Geneva Convention. Sadly, Bush keeps breaking those rules so in the future our soldiers captured in combat by enemy forces can look foward to being tortured and maimed. Thank you Bush.
Did you know that the Bush team has tried several times to make it possible for Americans to be labeled "Enemy Combatants". If that happens it will be possible for them to abduct people and lock them away forever. No trial, lawyers, or family notified. But who cares right? Bush wont steer us wrong. He will only use that power for Good. Just remember this: even if Bush wins 4 more years he will be replaced. Who is to say the next president does not abuse that power? Look around the world. Sadam took power by putting his political enemies away. The line between a democracy and a tyrany is very thin.
Find, find me ONE commerically available ( NON-GAME ) application that you can buy at bestbuy, office depot, staples, CompUsa,
MoneyDance and pdf-Office are two I know of. Its hard telling since no one generally advertises what they made their product with. Whens the last time you picked something up at Best Buy that stated it was written in C++?
actually READ some of the links that are as a result the google search
And hey....go use Google yourself. If you want to show me something try posting a link next time. And heres a novel idea: make sure its a working link if you do. I have better things to do rather than follow down 5000+ links or go searching Google because someone else is too lazy to and keeps posting "its in google I swear". Hell, Im sure you can find pictures of a three headed cat out there if you look hard enough kid.
Oh, and about multiple apps within the same JVM...you mean what.NET does right now ?.NET does not have a multi-app virtual machine. You are confusing it with spawning which even Java can do.
At which point we'll be staring at impending LongHorn, where THE OS is.NET-ified, or.NET is OS-ified
Yes, Microsoft will probably install the.NET runtime by default in Longhorn much like the visual basic libraries are today (and still will be in Longhorn). Probably become another gaping security hole. Your point?
Mod me troll flamebait, whatever - but the JVM is slow, not only on start up.
Ive written quite a few java apps. The startup is the only slowdown I have really noticed. There is some comparison where a JVM, which has garbage collection and such, will be slightly slower than compiled. Have to stress the "slightly" comment since most of those processes are pretty well tuned in todays virtual machines.
Java developers have screamed bloody murder over this for years. Sun has promised that the next version release (1.6) of the JVM will allow for multiple apps within a single JVM. This would mean you could start the JVM once (like on system startup) and never have to pay that startup cost on a per java app basis.
Show me a JVM app (app, not test case!) with a native compiled equivalent which is slower. You won't find any.
You generally wont find an app written in both C and Java. Developers usually pick one or the other. Why write the same app twice? This makes finding good examples pretty hard.
This reconstruction is computationally very expensive (google: decompilation problems) so only approximative algorithms are used, leading to non-optimal code.
I dug around on google. Honestly I could not find someone to collaberate your statement. Do you have a direct link?
I think LLVM is a nice project that could bring all the VM hype
This illustrates Sun's failure to deliver on the write-once, run-anywhere promise.
Hahaha. Your just being silly now. Not having the creation date in the api actually PROVES Sun's ability to deliver a language that is write-once and run everywhere. If they put creation date in than it would not be portable. You do understand that "write once run anywhere" stands for portability right?
Of course it's possible. But having to write glue code to interface with the system is hardly what I'd call a Java "advantage".
Java's advantage is portability. Duh. Glue code is only needed when you want to do something non portable. Most Java programmers never play with this since the very extensive java libs cover almost everything imaginable.
Tell me, how many Java apps do you use on a regular basis, that are not related to your work or development activity?
Lets see: 2. But I only use like six apps. So thats like a third are written in Java. A year ago there were none.
Any kind of archiver type tool would need to be able to read and modify these properties. The API simply isn't (or wasn't, I stopped caring around 1.4) any good.
If you need to change the creation date use JNI in Java (Java Native Interface). Kills portability but, as you said, portability doesnt matter. So if you were trying to say its not possible in Java you were wrong.
Polish? I am guessing your idea of polish is the GUI? If so, a Java developer could simply use SWT. SWT uses tight integration to the native desktop where it runs which means Java GUIs that are as fast and look 100% the same of anything you could create in C, C++, etc. In other words, theres nothing special in the GUI department that Java can't do.
but that doesn't explain the piss poor demand for general-purpose desktop Java apps.
Azureus is one of the most downloaded apps on Sourceforge. Seems your point is wrong there like so many others you've attempted....
That's true. Kind of weird for what was supposed to be the Web-language of choice, but true nevertheless.
Are you talking about applets? Hardly anyone creates them anymore. Those are so 90's. What cave have you been in?
You need code to do something elementary like get/set a file's creation date for christ sakes
Unix, Linux, etc do not keep track of file creation date (try stat to see). Writing an app to run on these OSs that checks for creation date screams STUPID. This is also WHY ITS NOT IN JAVA. If a function existed than java would not be portable.
let alone to provide the sophistication and polish that users expect from a normal app.
And what, dare I ask, should developers use to write applications that have this sophistication and polish you spoke of for multiple platforms and OSs?
Then you either haven't been using Java for a very long time or tight integration with the host environment wasn't a requirement for your apps.
Tight integration kills portability and produces large, sloppy, and hard to maintain code that needs to be constantly updated to keep up with even the simplest hardware upgrades. Even Mozilla developers stated that they wanted to move away from that level of integration because they "were losing fingers and toes" trying to maintain it and keep it portable. That could also explain why it took so many years to get it where its at today. This is why languages like C and assembly are not in large demand. Professional programmers and IT staff know the dangers of what you are advocating. Your gonna find it hard to push them snake oils nowadays.
It's madness to require users to download and configure a 15MB runtime just to run your app.
Thats only true if your app can only be acquired through download. If you distribute your application on a CD what is 15M? And the download is only a 1 time download for all java apps. You get the same thing with having to have users download the 20M.NET framework to run.NET apps. Users have no problem downloading the much larger Mozilla time and again. For music swapping people thats like 3 songs? Geez.
There are so many cross-platform issues it isn't even funny. From minor things like cosmetics to....
Wow, talk about serious FUDding.
Apparently you never coded in Java. This became obvious when you wrote the line "considerable amount of time writing platform specific code". How the hell do you write platform specific code in Java? Please, Im sure anyone who actually knows Java is really curious how you done this amazing feat. Theres JNI but thats only found in like.001% of all Java apps. I write apps for all sorts of platforms and I never, ever, seen the problems you falsely claim.
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Yes, we shouldnt come up with the generally assumption that all bad outsourcing comes from India. I'm sure theres other countries that outsource jobs that have the capability to be just as bad as India. But I think India will still be considered #1 culprit due to the sheer number of problems.
There is a lot of demand, because the illegal copies are FREE.
Tell that to Apple. They charge for music downloads with their iTunes service despite there being a large number of "free" ways of downloading music. They currently eclipse all illegal venues for downloading music combined. So your anology is incorrect. People have no problem paying for media as long as it is cheap and easy to get. Thats the quick success method used by Blockbuster, Walmart, Lowes, etc. The music industry is just starting to learn this lesson many years after Napster. Now, the movie industry has to learn the same lesson. They are starting like the music industry and trying to sue the pants off the illegal sites. This will ultimetly fail and they will have to come up with a better solution. Someone like Microsoft, or even Apple again, will step in and come up with a legal subscribtion service and make lots of $$$.
It's kind of funny how they treat their theory like a religion.
No, its kinda sad how people are so misguided with their religion that they try to make it a science. Throughout history, religion has been incorrectly used as a science (good example is how religion was used for medical purposes). True science has always prevailed and it made some look down upon religion because of this.
Religion is not a science. Don't use it as one. Science is not a religion. Don't see it as one.
They do not go "hand in hand". They also should never compete. If you find yourself doing so, your just wrong.
Okay, I have no problem with the sticker EXCEPT it never includes "Creationism is a theory, not a fact". Seems fair to present BOTH as theories rather than just evolution.
Evolution is always open for question or debate. Its a scietific theory. You can try to find flaws in it all you want. Its actually desired that you try to prove any scientific theory as incorrect. Same with creationism. Is you prove either theory as wrong, you either give more credit to the other OR create a new theory.
No he wont. But, if theres oil under it....
Great idea. I would love to write XUL apps but find it rather lame that I would have to inform people to load Mozilla, Firefox, or Thunderbird just to render the app due to the need for a GRE. Yes, I would have to ensure they have the GRE installed, but this seems a more plausible solution.
Actually, "most" was the correct word. Most people are computer ignorant. Does this make them stupid? No. They just have no need for such knowledge generally and never spent the time learning it. A good example: MOST adult American's drive cars, but MOST have no idea on how to fix it when it breaks. "Most" is used to mean majority. Using the word "some" is interpreted as a minority. Heres a quick way to figure it out: is the percentage of people in your poll greater than 50%? If so, use the word "most". Otherwise, use "some" since its obviously less and thus the minority (this taken that you only have two groups ofcourse).
If the *AA thought they'd have an easier time with the new, more Republican Senate next year, they wouldn't be in a hurry to get this passed right now.
Your logic that the current Republican controlled Senate will be different than the Republican controlled Senate in January is very suspect.
Did you ever think that the rush is to get this in to law before the new year? The new Republican Senate will be going after strong party wins in things like social security and defense. Disney would have to wait if that occured.
This is a political campaign site with political campaign propaganda.
Yep, its all smoke and mirrors and Bush's site.
it's obviously not some kind of "international censorship".
Well, if the Bush and Cheney site is blocking international visitors to the site, that is international censorship.
They have little to no obligation to serve anyone outside of the US, with the statistically negligible exception of US citizens outside the US.
Are those negligible exceptions the U.S. soldiers serving overseas?
While you're at it, explain to me how it's right for the Guardian to encourage its UK readers, i.e., not US citizens, to start a letter writing and email campaign to Ohioans encouraging them to vote for John Kerry
Seeing as how thousands of British soldiers are being put in harms way for the sheer purpose of a U.S. offensive into Falluja (just in time for the elections I noticed) I believe, in my own opinion, that the British people have the right to be heard. Trying to censor them would mean that we, as Americans, are trying to prevent others from having free speech. I thought the Bush message was for "spreading democracy"?
Actually, Windows XP licensing requires that companies ship a full copy of Windows XP with their systems.
Complete and utter BS. Please show me a copy of this license. I am sure I am not the only Slashdotter who would really love to read it. If this was true I would start sueing these companies for my copies tomorrow!
You don't ever need to "insert the Windows CD" anymore.
k bid=322 205&product=winxp
Probably not unless you have a corrupt or damaged driver. Sadly, this happens way too often.
Here's some reading material for you to chew on from your buddy Bill:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?
Anyone telling these poor souls that they need to go buy a full retail version of Windows just to get an in-box driver installed doesn't know ANYTHING about administering windows.
Administering windows? You are correct: everyone should get certified by Microsoft before using a computer. They really are not for everyday use.
Perhaps the last time such people used Windows was in the Win98 days? Perhaps they should re-examine their biased assumptions?
I'm not biased at all. A large number of home computers still run Windows 98. Thats just a fact Jack. I guess you believe everyone should be running XP or 2000? That seems biased to me.
wonder if they actually sell much Windoze at the retail price of about $300.
You'd be really surprised. The $50 install on the Dell/HP/Gateway boxes often does not include a full version of the software on CD with it. This means that if the user needs a driver or their OS needs saved and the useless Recovery CD does not do the trick, they have to go to the store and buy a copy. This is amazingly very common. If you have a full version copy, your very popular...
Autoboxing/unboxing *shrug* nice when you need it, but how often do you actually need it?
I love this feature. Currently I have to do this sort of crap all the time:
String to int:
new Integer("1").intValue();
or parseInt
int to String:
String.valueOf(1);
In truth, Java should have dropped the primitive types altogether and went with a 100% object approach and allow things like this:
Integer _integer = 3;
Long _long = 5;
Number _number = _integer + _long;
_number--;
The above would be total sweetness.
What they should have done in 1.5 is strip out all the deprecated crap
Agreed. First to go: java.util.Date. And fix Calendar to be actually usefull.
Original statement from Chrax:
And as a side note, I don't like the fact that you have to type four lines of code to do what C++ could do with a simple cin >> var;
My response:
in Java would be:
System.in.read(var);
Which you are stated was incorrect because, (quoting you):
That will produce an unhandled exception error. And, doesn't even work if var is not type byte[] [sun.com].
But where did Chrax say that var was not a byte array? In fact, he never said what var was. And as I demonstrated with using wrappers you could read all primitive types even if they were not byte arrays. Your other statements were incorrect in that you stated that you need to import IOException which is not true. Infact, you could simply make the method throw an Exception which would not require any try/catch blocks in the method or require importing IOException. Its a bad practice IMHO. In C/C++, you should ALWAYS check for exceptions when reading from stdin. Thats basic good programming practice.
I am not defending or attacking Java, but you seem a little over defensive.
Actually you responded to my response to Chrax with incorrect, or probably just misguided, information. Im sorry that misunderstood my response and took it personal.
That will produce an unhandled exception error.
Yep. Because both "System.in.read" and "cin > var" can both produce exceptions. The only difference is Java requires that you atleast try to do something about it when someone does the unexpected. Sorta like defining var as an int and then someone goes and enters "hello world". I can not image how you could say that C/C++ has an advantage since it lets programmers create easy ways to have their programs trashed.
And, doesn't even work if var is not type byte[].
A byte array can convert to all primitives. Its about as base as you can get. Java supports more advanced stream wrappers that extend InputStream if you want simplified methods for particular primitive types. DataInputStream, for example, gives simplified and secure methods for getting ints, chars, longs, shorts, and Strings. For example:
DataInputStream ds = new DataInputStream(System.in);
With that you could now do things like:
ds.readByte()
ds.readChar()
etc, etc, etc.
The wrappers also make the streams very robust with features like i8n and buffering.
Object orientation is a terribly inefficient way to program.
OOP advantage is best seen in large projects. Particullary collaborations. I've worked on large codebase non-OO projects before and know the headaches.
Also, what about compile times and the fact that Java actually doesn't work on all interfaces?
Dunno. What interfaces are you talking about?
Compile times? Java's pretty speedy compiling. Than again, I dont have a 286. Will say this though: Make is a hell of a lot quicker than Ant. Ofcourse you could always use Make for building java though.
(And as a side note, I don't like the fact that you have to type four lines of code to do what C++ could do with a simple cin >> var;
in Java would be:
System.in.read(var);
I find many of Gatners findings run contrary to reality. This ones included. I would wager to guess that there are people buying Linux installed PCs and installing Windows on them. But are they pirated copies of Windows? That is where I disagree with Gartner. I have seen many times where people, already owning a copy of Windows, bought a PC sans Windows for the cheaper price and installed Windows on it. Now, the question becomes: is installing an owned copy of Windows on a new box pirating? Im sure according to Redmond, and Gartner, you have to buy a new copy of Windows to be legit. Its always been my view, and many others for that matter, that the PC and software are two seperate components. To say: 1 computer = 1 install only is idiotic. If I replace a computer with a new computer my version of Windows should be able to be migrated. Period.
So, care to tell me where all the America-owned oilfields are in Iraq now?
p ut in.us/index.html
:)
Mostly in the south near Kuwait. There are also some in the north-east near Iran and Turkey.
Since we're just so controlling of all that oil, even though we don't own any, haven't gotten any, and haven't seen a single benefit from it.
This is not a "we're" thing. Its a "them". American oil companies, not the US government, have control of the oil. They have exclusive contracts to purchase the oil from Iraq's ( at very cheap prices) for resale. The Iraq people have no way of selling the oil outside their country anyways. The oil giants then sale it to foreign countries like Russia, China, Japan, etc. The United States gets most of its foreign oil from Venezula (sp). To the oil giants selling oil here has no purpose.
Yes, they were Muslim terrorists with indirect ties to Al-Queda.
Prove it. The only one who has made that claim is the Soviet government. Our government has never said that. And if you believe everything Putin says you must be agreeing with his comments that state that we have been assisting the terrorists for years:
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/07/
Don't you mean the liberal media machine?
Nope. I meant the massive conservative media. The conservative media is the biggest media market.
Ah, nothing like a dose of liberal paranoia to make me smile.
Actually Im a conservative. A true conservative unlike yourself. I believe in the founders of the U.S. constitition and the rights beget upon all Americans. Red, white, and blue through and through. I served in the army defending this great land. Your just a republican apology maker.
The Checks and Balances system. Look it up sometime.
Who is that exactly? If the president controls the military and can lock up anyone who opposes him, does he not have the same powers as Sadam had as president of Iraq? In otherwords, Bush could become a dictator tomorrow. Wheres you precious checks and balances then?
Sometime, look up the definition of what constitutes an enemy combatant and get back to me.
I looked it up. It doesnt exist. Theres no definition of that term in the geneva convention.
What this tells me is that you feel holding a FUCKING SCHOOL FULL OF CHILDREN HOSTAGE is a justifiable act of rebellion rather than an act of terrorism.
Russian soldiers used to shell Chechen schools, churches, etc. Whats the difference? They did it with full knowledge that it would kill hordes of civilians: women, children, elderly. They used that as a way to break the Chechen will to fight. You should do what our government did with those two fighting: don't get involved. Neither side is "right".
I guess Saddam killing his own people is something you are okay with tolerating.
Who cares? China has been killing thousands upon thousands of their own people for decades. Should we invade? Oh wait, theres no oil in China. Guess thats a sure "no" from the Cheney camp.
Look at how "effective" the UN is now, sitting down and sipping tea at lunch while people are being slaughtered in Sudan.
Hahaha!! Sudan has been in a civil war for over two decades. Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton: all did absolutely nothing. Bush Jr sends a tiny contingent of marines there who never touched the beach until French military secured the area for them. The French went through and brokered a peace deal while the marines ran right back to the boat a few weeks later.
And now terrorists have killed children in Russia. At some point, you kind of have to do something to stop the bad guys.
Terrorists? Do you know what Russia has done to the Chechen people? Do you know why Putin is blaming the United States for aiding them?
Gawd!!!! Its very apparent why the conservative media machine is so effective: its audience consist of idiots.
Go read a history book.
Because when you're captured in combat, you're an enemy combatant.
No your a "Prisoner of War" with is clearly defined in the Geneva Convention. Sadly, Bush keeps breaking those rules so in the future our soldiers captured in combat by enemy forces can look foward to being tortured and maimed. Thank you Bush.
Did you know that the Bush team has tried several times to make it possible for Americans to be labeled "Enemy Combatants". If that happens it will be possible for them to abduct people and lock them away forever. No trial, lawyers, or family notified. But who cares right? Bush wont steer us wrong. He will only use that power for Good. Just remember this: even if Bush wins 4 more years he will be replaced. Who is to say the next president does not abuse that power? Look around the world. Sadam took power by putting his political enemies away. The line between a democracy and a tyrany is very thin.
Find, find me ONE commerically available ( NON-GAME ) application that you can buy at bestbuy, office depot, staples, CompUsa,
.NET does right now ? .NET does not have a multi-app virtual machine. You are confusing it with spawning which even Java can do.
.NET-ified, or .NET is OS-ified
.NET runtime by default in Longhorn much like the visual basic libraries are today (and still will be in Longhorn). Probably become another gaping security hole. Your point?
MoneyDance and pdf-Office are two I know of. Its hard telling since no one generally advertises what they made their product with. Whens the last time you picked something up at Best Buy that stated it was written in C++?
actually READ some of the links that are as a result the google search
And hey....go use Google yourself. If you want to show me something try posting a link next time. And heres a novel idea: make sure its a working link if you do. I have better things to do rather than follow down 5000+ links or go searching Google because someone else is too lazy to and keeps posting "its in google I swear". Hell, Im sure you can find pictures of a three headed cat out there if you look hard enough kid.
Oh, and about multiple apps within the same JVM...you mean what
At which point we'll be staring at impending LongHorn, where THE OS is
Yes, Microsoft will probably install the
Mod me troll flamebait, whatever - but the JVM is slow, not only on start up.
Ive written quite a few java apps. The startup is the only slowdown I have really noticed. There is some comparison where a JVM, which has garbage collection and such, will be slightly slower than compiled. Have to stress the "slightly" comment since most of those processes are pretty well tuned in todays virtual machines.
Java developers have screamed bloody murder over this for years. Sun has promised that the next version release (1.6) of the JVM will allow for multiple apps within a single JVM. This would mean you could start the JVM once (like on system startup) and never have to pay that startup cost on a per java app basis.
Show me a JVM app (app, not test case!) with a native compiled equivalent which is slower. You won't find any.
You generally wont find an app written in both C and Java. Developers usually pick one or the other. Why write the same app twice? This makes finding good examples pretty hard.
This reconstruction is computationally very expensive (google: decompilation problems) so only approximative algorithms are used, leading to non-optimal code.
I dug around on google. Honestly I could not find someone to collaberate your statement. Do you have a direct link?
I think LLVM is a nice project that could bring all the VM hype
Getting a 404 on the link you posted.
This illustrates Sun's failure to deliver on the write-once, run-anywhere promise.
Hahaha. Your just being silly now. Not having the creation date in the api actually PROVES Sun's ability to deliver a language that is write-once and run everywhere. If they put creation date in than it would not be portable. You do understand that "write once run anywhere" stands for portability right?
Of course it's possible. But having to write glue code to interface with the system is hardly what I'd call a Java "advantage".
Java's advantage is portability. Duh. Glue code is only needed when you want to do something non portable. Most Java programmers never play with this since the very extensive java libs cover almost everything imaginable.
Tell me, how many Java apps do you use on a regular basis, that are not related to your work or development activity?
Lets see: 2. But I only use like six apps. So thats like a third are written in Java. A year ago there were none.
Any kind of archiver type tool would need to be able to read and modify these properties. The API simply isn't (or wasn't, I stopped caring around 1.4) any good.
If you need to change the creation date use JNI in Java (Java Native Interface). Kills portability but, as you said, portability doesnt matter. So if you were trying to say its not possible in Java you were wrong.
Polish? I am guessing your idea of polish is the GUI? If so, a Java developer could simply use SWT. SWT uses tight integration to the native desktop where it runs which means Java GUIs that are as fast and look 100% the same of anything you could create in C, C++, etc. In other words, theres nothing special in the GUI department that Java can't do.
but that doesn't explain the piss poor demand for general-purpose desktop Java apps.
Azureus is one of the most downloaded apps on Sourceforge. Seems your point is wrong there like so many others you've attempted....
That's true. Kind of weird for what was supposed to be the Web-language of choice, but true nevertheless.
Are you talking about applets? Hardly anyone creates them anymore. Those are so 90's. What cave have you been in?
You need code to do something elementary like get/set a file's creation date for christ sakes
Unix, Linux, etc do not keep track of file creation date (try stat to see). Writing an app to run on these OSs that checks for creation date screams STUPID. This is also WHY ITS NOT IN JAVA. If a function existed than java would not be portable.
let alone to provide the sophistication and polish that users expect from a normal app.
And what, dare I ask, should developers use to write applications that have this sophistication and polish you spoke of for multiple platforms and OSs?
Then you either haven't been using Java for a very long time or tight integration with the host environment wasn't a requirement for your apps.
Tight integration kills portability and produces large, sloppy, and hard to maintain code that needs to be constantly updated to keep up with even the simplest hardware upgrades. Even Mozilla developers stated that they wanted to move away from that level of integration because they "were losing fingers and toes" trying to maintain it and keep it portable. That could also explain why it took so many years to get it where its at today. This is why languages like C and assembly are not in large demand. Professional programmers and IT staff know the dangers of what you are advocating. Your gonna find it hard to push them snake oils nowadays.
It's madness to require users to download and configure a 15MB runtime just to run your app.
Thats only true if your app can only be acquired through download. If you distribute your application on a CD what is 15M? And the download is only a 1 time download for all java apps. You get the same thing with having to have users download the 20M
There are so many cross-platform issues it isn't even funny. From minor things like cosmetics to
Wow, talk about serious FUDding.
Apparently you never coded in Java. This became obvious when you wrote the line "considerable amount of time writing platform specific code". How the hell do you write platform specific code in Java? Please, Im sure anyone who actually knows Java is really curious how you done this amazing feat. Theres JNI but thats only found in like