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Planning For Mozilla 2.0
wikinerd writes "The MozillaWiki maintains a number of pages on Mozilla 2.0 which reveals lots of possible new features of the popular browser. What does your wishlist include about Mozilla 2.0, and how has the release of Firefox affected your use of Mozilla?"
What's with Mozilla 1.4, er, I mean 1.5, er, I mean 1.6, er, I mean 1.7 being the Last Release Ever?
It has ended it.
How about a new Theme? I personaly dispise the current theme and the way the various toolbars interact within mozilla.
Also how about a way to manage Mozilla using Windows group policies?
What about a MSI package?
Mine are pretty simple.
A graphical history record (i.e. one that keeps a stored image of places where I've been, rather than a mere text description, as most give very limited info of what that particular site was).
And, an RSS reader equivalent to FeedDemon.
My wish is that Mozilla properly render Slashdot. What an embarassment! Someone even went so far as to make a Mozilla plugin that fixed the Slashdot rendering bug! I mean, c'mon people, you'd think that Mozilla would properly render Mozilla's biggest supporter.
"If at first you don't succeed, lower your standards."
So I always used Moz. Personally I think the best change for Moz would be to make it less bloated, and make it totally modular. Basically make it so you can strip away most of the program and turn it into something closely resembling Firefox if you so choose.
Ever. Bring on Mozilla 2.0
Plus, Firefox seems quicker and more stable to me since I have been using both.
Mozilla seems slow.
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Mozilla and Firefox will merge into one super borwser....MoFox... or perhaps FireZilla
I would like to see something like what opera has with web page magnification. Its on firefox too but you cant make images any bigger then they already are like you can with opera. But i still like FF better.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up... reading.-Henny Youngman
I'm very happy to recommend Firefox for IE users though - Mozilla's Netscape-style interface can be a bit confusing if you haven't seen them before.
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WORKSFORME (r) in Mozilla 1.7, but indeed there have been some people bugged by this problem. It is fixed in 1.8 branch though, a new alpha will come out one of the next days.
As a clueless l/user ... I vote that the developers fix all the current "bugs".
What a novel idea, eh?
And thanks for all the work that everyone has done to make it happen to this point.
It's totally downplayed on the mozilla.org website. I began using Firefox & Thunderbird a week or two ago just to see what it was like...and come to think of it, I haven't used Mozilla since then.
Cheers,
I don't know what these new features are (not even the google cache of the page is loading) but I'll certainly be waiting for these features to make it into FireFox rather then change to Mozilla temporarily.
Of course depending on what the features were I'd probably install Mozilla to see if they cause any issues with the web design work I do.
This has been fixed in the trunk for a long time (but not the branch Firefox 1.0 comes from), and will be in Firefox 1.1, whether Mozilla increments to 2.0 or not.
Bug 217527
Bug 264913
If you really, really need a fix now, visit this URL and download one of the nightlies from the trunk [fair warning - some nightlies have some annoying bugs in them, but generally, are pretty good]. It works just fine there, but I'm told requires too many changes to backport into the ff1/mozilla whatever branch.
I wish for mozilla 2 to be integrated with my desktop... come on, that's the one killer feature in windows!
What about keeping the Google search functionality at the bottom of the address drop-down box?!
FWIW, I find it more usefull than the approach Firefox has taken, which created a seperate, generic, search box...
I would like to see a build in page validator.
There is a lot of badly coded web pages out there.
It might take a rewrite of gecko by I think it is wroth it.
The normal web based validators really don't cut it
when your developing dynamic cgi scripts.
Make the rendering engine faster. And maybe an option to render according to IE's html standard? I don't care if it's non-standard.
A kick-ass feature I'd like to see in Mozilla and Firefox would be to automatically break up long words/numers/urls at the edge of the screen.
Since I have a TFT with 1280x1024 resolution, I often increase font sizes when browsing the web to reduce eye strain, but that often causes horizontal scroll bars to appear when long words or urls are in the text, making it much less convenient to read, e.g. in those ubiquitous phpBB based forums.
..to the better.
Since Firefox 1.0 came out I have used the Mozilla suite for email and Internet-browsing at work while I still stick with Opera at home. Firefox is there on both locations and are used from time to time. What Firefox did do when it came along was make it clear to me that Mozilla had improved over the years and no longer required me to have a heap of other browsers installed for visiting particular webpages with picky code. So, you may say that Firefox made Mozilla shine in it's own true light.
"-Who said sit down?!"
-- S. Ballmer @ MSDC 2003.
Integrate it so tightly with Windows, so no one can get rid of it. No userbase shrinkage!!
add an, empty cache when browser is closed...
i like the cookies features, to delete cookies when browser is closed, and accept from origionating website only are all great cookie features...
I still remember the day when I tried running two separate instances of Mozilla on the same Windows machine. Neither Google nor the forums helped. Luckily I can still read C++.
Open source should mean you can look into the source if you want to, not that you have to look into the source every time you try something non trivial.
Don't bother clicking, there's nothing to see there...
Don't bother modding him up either, he didn't even check that there was anything worth seeing, just blindly copy and pasted the links in a pathetic attempt at karma.
Personally I don't use Mozilla anymore.
At work where I have to use Windows, I just stick to Firefox and Thunderbird.
When most of the beginner oriented Desktop Linux distros include both of these proggies in them by default... the Linux desktop will move further forward.
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as a Konqueror user :) although i have recomended it to a Windows-User and he SWITCHED from the Internet-Exploder!
I haven't touched Mozilla in over a year now. Everything I want in a browser is in Firefox, I don't see any reason to use Mozilla.
What am I missing?
The truth doesn't care what I think.
Firefox certainly seems to be a better browser than Mozilla. However, I've been unable to get the Java Plugin to install properly on Firefox, so I use firefox for all websites except Topcoder, for which I use Mozilla.
The only wish I have for future versions of Firefox is something the latest version of netscape already has -- an option to display pages as they would appear in IE. Even some of the major sites have "features" that render properly only in ^@##^%$# IE -- including Yahoo's Rich Text editing/HTML compose features. So my wish is either that, or better, every site on earth conform to standards so that it can be viewed with every browser.
Wishlist for Moz 2: Replace with Firefox et al.
Moll.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
My solution was to download nifty little Firefox with IE. No matter how mad the sys admins were, one could always delete history, cache and cookies with Firefox after each session. (Except at Shanghai City Library, where Firefox wouldn't even install.)
With a large bundle like Mozilla, I could never have downloaded it fast enough to have the patience to wait for it. Size matters.
Since Firefox has been decently stable, i've been using it for browsing. I see no need for an 'integrated browser suite'. After a recent HD-crash which lost me all my locally stored mail, I'm only using web-based email (hooray for gmail!). No more POP-clients on my PC. TML-editors suck ass on general principle, and I have no use for an IRC-client.
If I were the mozilla foundation, I'd settle for the standalone products. This will get them better brand recognition, and focussing of their coding efforts. But that's just my 2c.
I have quit using Mozilla since Firefox 1.0 came out, but one thing I do not like about Firefox is how it fills in forms. In Mozilla I could set it up to only fill in certain forms, (ie name, address, phone and so on) but in Firefox it is all or nothing, and I hate having my search history remembered, so I have totally quit using a feature that I used very often in Mozilla.
Though its not directly related to the Mozilla Suite (sorry, I tried to RTFA, but its down) my biggest wish is to see the Gecko Rendering Engine (GRE) finally split from the Mozilla/Firefox/et al code base. This seems to have completely dropped off the road map despite being discussed for months (years?).
The idea of running the GRE as a service (started at boot) and then simply launching the frontends for the various Mozilla apps (in my case, Firefox and possibly Thunderbird) appeals to me immensely.
I value "snapiness" greatly when it comes to my web browser and email apps. Having to run multiple instances of the same rendering engine is a bit of a downer IMHO. (Yes, I realise there are some benefits. Yes, I realise we all tend to have ample computing power.)
Since Firefox 1.0 I have been busy wiping Mozilla from the machines that I administer. Macs get to keep Safari as second browser. I used Mozilla since the 0.96 beta as browser and most of the time as mail client too.
Now I am a Firefox and Evolution person.
realkiwi
There is a very good site in Urdu @ www.bbcuru.com. It uses a font that properly renders in IE but only readable in Mozilla/Firefox. I would definately like to see this thing fixed.
:)
There are quite a few friends of mine that say, "Nah, Firefox/Mozilla can not render www.bbc.co.uk/urdu or www.bbcurud.com properly, if it does, we will start using it".
So, I would like to see it.
I am one of those who dropped Mozilla for Firefox.
What am i missing?
I use dedicated software for mail and news, what else is there?
Heck, Netscape 4 had it, and it's basically the standard Unix way to read local mail.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
For Windows update at least you have to hold your nose and run IE. If there's a way to do WinUpdate under Mozilla or Firefox I don't know it.
FWIW I started with Mozilla a couple years ago (gad, it was a HUGE improvement over IE), and switched to Firefox a few months ago. Firefox is enough for me.
I've been using Mozilla for about a year now, I've used FireFox and I dont really see a reason to change, Mozilla has the plugins i use and they work without any problems and its just as fast if you ask me. I dont use the email client...but i dont install it either so bloat isnt really a problem.
I'm currently using Adblock, downTHEMall, Right Encoding, Tabbrowser Preferences, Wikipedia, Farkit, Rot13 Encoder/Decoder, and Download Manager Tweak. I can live without a few of them, but Adblock, Farkit, and Tabbrowser Preferences are fairly essential to my browsing habits.
any ideas?
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
Why do I have to run 2 Gecko engines one for FF and one for TB, couldn't they share a system wide version?
Like the JRE and Java applications or something.
Could XULRunner be repurposed for this?
GNU/Linux.
I don't know where they got the names, but they're very proud of its inventiveness, and the way that it represents the two (Mozilla, Firefox) components that will be involved.
is for them to stop adding new features!!! It's a web browser for god's sake, I just want to browse the friggin' web!
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Using OmniWeb is like reading a very good scifi novel. I simply don't understand why not every browser has these obviously very powerful features (like snapshots and this nifty thumbnail-tab-browser.
See and marvel at: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omniweb/
Titus
In Internet Explorer you can block certain "dodgy" URLs - but you can't do this in Firefox!
As amazing as Firefox is, the stats remain of IE vs Firefox - 400m IE users (windows users worldwide) vs 13mb Firefox users.
With that in mind, and assuming you aiming to increase the uptake of users (instead of esoteric improvements aimed at techies), making it completely numpty-friendly would be my top priority, which means nice big wizards, completey intuitive options, and scrap that crappy feedback wizard.
Nothing costs nothing
...and include one central firewall-like facility that lets you perform advanced selection of media you allow/deny from a host, domain, IP range etc. (plus access to ports, like 8080 hurting Mozilla for a long time...)
ad.* DENY images, flash, cookies
*.mozdev.org ALLOW xpi
*.yahoo.com DENY flash
*.gmail.com ALLOW cookies, store-passwd
*.microsoft.com DENY all
Anagram("United States of America") == "Dine out, taste a Mac, fries"
Cheeze I need this, and both Mozilla and Firefox would make my day if they could pull it off. Sites that use javascript-driven links (think Blockbuster's Netflix competitor and news sites) make it impossible to use tabbed browsing.
That Mozilla 2 avoids proprietry Java VM or .NET CLR traps.
They would also do well to avoid the HIG's that have made Gnome2 such a braindead bloated piece of crap. And I'm sure we can do without uuid's to identify extensions and components when an XML namespace would be better, it's needless obfuscation and has the nasty stench of MS CLSID's.
I seem to recall that they are porting datastores to sqlite?
If Mozilla 2.0 is to be started, some major changes are needed to how the overall software suite works. The current setup for the Mozilla software suite works just fine and as such, there's little need to fix what isn't broken. However, there's a problem amongst the picky.
We all love Firefox for its speedy startup and simple UI. At the same time, we also love Thunderbird for its speedy startup and simple UI. Well, there's a bit of conflict here. What if we use both? Is it any better than Mozilla? For some, yes. For others, maybe not. So here's the idea.
A Mozilla/Gecko Framework -- what this means is that all the absolute basic and necessity to run a gecko-based application is there and that softwares built upon this library will work as though you have a stand-alone application installed. This is good for a few things. For starters, download time. Firefox and Thunderbird both come with the gecko libraries and anything else that depends on it. It's there to simplify installation and to have everything there without the need of having to install system-specific libraries (in my case, windows\system32). Another good that comes out of this is total modularity. This way, we can truly have a modular system where we have a singular installation of the Gecko engine but can have various softwares based on this to run with it. The possibility of having Mozilla software suite, Thunderbird, and Firefox installed at once without eating up 40-50MB of space is there. Perhaps, in guessing, such concept in realized form would consume at most 20MB for all 3 softwares.
Yeah, I'm sure a handful of you people must be thinking: Isn't this been thought up already with 'such-and-such' feature of Mozilla/Gecko? Yes. It has. But it appears at its current form, it cannot do such things. And I specifically remember a long time ago that one of the goal of Mozilla is to build a software suite that is modular. It's been years since. And I have not seen this realized or come to fruition. If this idea is being delayed to 2.0, so be it. But for 2.0 to be deserving of its number, it ought to at least be capable of being modular.
I'm happy for the Mozilla developers that they are looking forward to a 2.0 codebase. And I wish them luck in persuing that goal of a final code release. This framework idea is my only suggestion, as it is solely needed since we have 3 'ready-for-prime-time' softwares built upon the same Gecko library.
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I'd love to be able to set my live bookmarks to automatically update at user-defined periods of time; so, for example, I may want my BBC News bookmarks to refresh every 10 minutes, while my slashdot bookmarks can refresh every 30 minutes. At the moment, they only seem to refresh when the browser is first started.
Also - and this is a niggle, but... - the "find" toolbar (accessible by ctrl+F)... they really should move the close button back to the right side of the bar... as far as I can tell, every other part of the UI has the close button in the top-right (or right) corner of the relevant pane, except for that damn find bar!
*ahem*
I don't use it anyway. Maxthon forever!!
Maybe, this will convince me to return back to mozilla. Now I am stick with firefox
M.
I wish to know why people split to Firefox instead of helping fix Moz bugs etc? Why can't they work together?
Maybe what's really needed for our friends in the less advanced countries is a web site that functions as a browser ?
Yes thankyou, I am an idiot.
Sky subscribers are morons. They pay to be advertised at !
Of course, some of the above may alreay be planned but as I can't get on mozilla's web site, I can't check.... Maybe it was slashdotted?
I'd like to see Gecko start rendering native widgets on platforms other than Windows (on which it has for a while).
I mean, XUL can already do it, so why not Gecko? Sure, it will be a big thing and lots of code will have to be rewritten, but a 2.0 version of such an important product needs to have some major changes done.
I'll give it a shot. Thanks for the advice.
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
With the advent of Firefox, I think Mozilla has taken a backseat, so why should we care.
My biggest, and infact only wish would be for it to not screw up relative getURL links from Macromedia Flash and Director based PC CD-ROMs, being as that's the only thing that the only thing that makes me reminiscent of the "good old days" when you could be pretty sure everyone was using IE.
I do prefer dedicated software for seperate programs. But you're right...integrating internet features is a plus for Mozilla if you don't want the security vulnerabilities that come with Outlook/IE.
My main problem with Mozilla was that it took too long to load on lower end systems...and I had the same complaint with Netscape 4.x. But even on a P4 I've found Mozilla to take nearly 3-4 times as long to open as Firefox & IE.
Mercy was given to me by Christ...I must give the same to others.
I suppose it's not the greatest dream of all, but keep improving CSS support in Gecko. Push to support as much as possible, even the little weird buts that most people don't care about.
I don't like seeing "Mostly CSS2 compliant" even if it is about the best out there.
What mozilla and firefox need is native support for the customization provided by the recently stagnant mozex extension.
Any user should be able to use their $EDITOR for any text input for example.
One of Mozilla's greatest strengths is not as just a web-browser but as a cross-platform application development platform.
Just try playing around with XUL a little. It's surprising what it can do. I'm just starting out with it, but having worked my way through MFC, QT, TCL/TK, WTL, GTK++, FLTK, wxWidgets etc. etc. in search of the One True UI Library, I'm liking what I've seen so far.
I see "Mozilla2:Web Forms 2" in the mirrodot.org mirror, isn't supossed to be competition for Microsoft?
I prefer the interface of the Moz Suite and it just works(tm). I can't remember the last time it crashed. The only real things I'm looking for are the "live bookmarks", RSS reading in mail/news and saved search folders. AFAIK all these will be in Moz 1.8 though.
Duh. I never used the bloated crap in moz. I use firefox all the time; I haven't started mozilla in months.
I hated it when Mosaic of old became Netscape the fat. When I want a browser I don't necessarily want an editor nor a mail client. I especially don't want a so-so editor. The editor components were always "also in there" projects -- never particularly well designed, never particularly well implemented.
I'm speaking as an armchair nerd here. I'm the kind of guy who can configure a LAN, but only for the purposes of playing games (and the multiplayer aspect has to be worth 4 hours of fighting with four versions of WinXP). Hell, I don't even have a /. account.
I have used Mozilla and now use Firefox for browsing. Selecting one has always been simple; there have only been one new version I've been aware of at a time. I have never used Linux despite the fact I would like to poke around, at least to try it, for the most part because of the huge number of packets and versions to choose from (I believe this is a fairly common criticism).
It seems to be that Firefox has dented IE's marketshare because 1) it works, and 2) the significant media blitz - the biggest OSS release I've been aware of. If you introduce a new and improved Mozilla (which I suspect has less name recognition now for most surfers than Firefox), wouldn't it be damaging the Firefox advertisements by confusing the names in the minds of the public? In other words, might it be smarter to work on just one browser for the time being?
I'm using two computers here, but only one is doing movemail. It's actually 1.6 on that machine. Don't know what to tell you, it works here and I didn't even do it either of these ways.
At the moment it is possible to configure mozilla to always change the page background to whatever colour you want (I use white text on dark grey background). But this is not good enough as all colour information is lost (immaging that there is a list of entries on the page and some of them are red because they have changed - you can not see that because you've replaced all the colours with your colour!). What would be the perfect solution is to enable Mozilla to be configured to something like "dark background mode" when the browser itself will change the colours to the similar ones but visible on dark backround, i.e. black to white, dark red to light red, light red to dark red... etc. I think links browser does something similar.
This isn't the solution, it's the sites that need fixing.
I have always browsed with javascript disabled, and I have to parse the source manually (read the script) and try to reconstruct the URL from there. I think your proposed solution is interesting and not that difficult to do but it's no real solution to the problem at all because it assumes the user has javascript enabled to begin with.
Whichever way you look at it, opening new windows using javascript is unnecessary, bad for accessibility and downright rude. I decide what window something appears in during my browsing session, not the page author.
Among applications available for *nix, Mozilla is a paragon of quality and completeness. But there is one aspect in which it is a total embarrassment. It does not support X11 session management. Session management saves the state of your applications when you log out of X/KDE/GNOME and restores it when you log back in. Mozilla completely ignores this. It's crying shame.
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1. Smaller, faster. A lot of people still won't download it because it takes too long.
2. More modular. You should be able to install a basic Mozilla installer app which then asks you which modules you want: browser, web client, HTML editor, chat, etc. Then you can use this app to upgrade any of these pieces at any time. This installer can make sure that the shared components all work together, no matter what version. (or at least can give warnings). It can also remember where it left off downloading should the user want to download the rest at another time or should the machine crash. There is currently an installer which sort of does this, except that all pieces are running at the same time instead of as separate apps. I don't want my browser to crash my mail client (and vice/versa).
3. More Outlook like features: calendaring, contacts, to-do lists, syncing with Palm, etc. These could all be separate modules that all work together. We can never get business people to use Mozilla Mail because Outlook, which eats their mail and gives them viruses, has a few features that Mozilla doesn't.
That's pretty much it. #3 is probably the most important. If we could ween our clients off of Outlook, that would give us less business but would also give us fewer headaches and more options.
John
As I understand it, Mozilla 2.0 does not refer to a new version of the mozilla suite. It has more to do with upgrading the underlying "Mozilla Platform" to make developments of applications over it easier.
The most important bits will be things like getting XRE (XUL runtime environment) right. So that the second generation of Mozilla products such as FireFox 2.0 and Thundirbird 2.0 (and hopefully other applications), can run on top of this common core. Hopefully, there will also be work on improved SDK to make application development easier. Currently Firefox, Thunderbird and the Mozilla Application Suite can be thought to be using the 1.x platform. They have to duplicate a bunch of stuff since the platform stuff is not nicely separated out.
Other stuff addressed would be major improvements to XUL, XBL and of course improvements to Gecko as well.
I want a development environment for Mozilla that is as easy and robust as something like JBuilder or VS.NET. I want to be able to visually develop an Internet aware application using their framework that will run on all platforms without so much as a single pixel being different, and without having a huge ramp-up time in becoming acclimated to the system. I want it to be intuitive, easy, powerful.
Basically, I want what the old Netscape could have become, had The Beast from Redmond not interfered.
"To make a mistake is only human; to persist in a mistake is idiotic." Cicero
Especially the menubar is a lot too complicated/bloated for net-beginners (a.k.a. grandparents).
Please add an option to switch between beginners and frequent users mode (beginners should only be offered a stripped down version of the menubar, the configuration options, etc.)
.. it's that they get off their butts and actually fix all the annoying bugs that have been around for YEARS, many of which affect huge numbers of users, yet seem to get ignored in favour of new features... (sound familiar?)9 3 /. to mozilla!)
Just look at the age (and popularity) of most of the bugs off tracking bug 163993 (Mozilla bugs with large community interest):
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1639
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No, I don't use firefox, because it seems too much like IE to me (you know, but without most of the security holes). Of course, maybe thats's why it's so popular...
I'm a perfectionist but I'm trying to cut back.
I would like the old Netscape 4 "find bookmark" feature to come back. Organizing bookmarks is hellish since it went away.
To be specific, I want to be able to "find" a bookmark within its folder, so I can also find related bookmarks or know where to store a new bookmark, beside the one I searched for.
Reference: Bug #95748
P.S. Seams that links to bugzilla from Slashdot are disabled. Here is the full link you can cut & paste:
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
I remember a few years back that we were looking for an alternative to IE for the creation of a web-based kiosk. The old netscape navigator (4.x) used to have a command-line kiosk-mode. Even though it was not that great back then, I would like to see that (specifically, the command line option) feature in Firefox for prototyping. I think that it's currently possible using the javascript preferences, but it's so hard to find. Luckily, Google is my friend.
Coderz 4 Life
From what I've read (can't remember where). The separate components: Firefox, Sunbird, and Thunderbird are the future. Mozilla will continue to be developed for awhile. Maybe even a long while. As for making it modular, that probably won't happen and innovations will probably end up in Firefox before they reach Mozilla. The development of Mozilla will just end up being slower IMHO. As for features/wishes: 1) Well there was one I asked for in Mozilla before it reached 1.0. A context menu item that would create a url shortcut on the desktop to the page you were on. I do actually run my browser full screen, and having to make it a window and drag a shortcut to the desktop is a bit of a pain. 2) Also, I second that suggestion about blocking various media from certain sites, especially Macromedia Flash. The advertisers have been using Flash to overcome the ad-blocking features of browsers. Time to fight back! 3) Like some of you have already said - having more open standards that everyone can abide by. If the last wish actually takes off, we could get away with never having to use IE again.
Ok so that's one. Other things to improve are
-Speed up start up time
-if you also have NS installed don't put everything in the same place
-better migration from NS
-cleaner uninstall and reversion back to prior application defaults
Use standard GNU autoconf for the builds. Get rid of all the code that says things like "#ifdef HPUX ... then do this and that and this and that because HP's C++ compiler (no, not that one, the other one... and that specific version, too!) can't make a negative zero or some such tomfoolery ... #endif". When I try to build Firefox 1.0 (One Point Fucking Oh!) on HP-UX 10.20 it falls over and dies because I'm not using HP's C++ compiler... nor the other one... and especially not that version... I'm using gcc! What do you think I am, an idiot? Why would I use anything but gcc/g++?
But it's worse than that. A few simple platform-checking #ifdefs could be fixed, the code converted into autoconf checks and replaced with HAS_FOO macros... but no. The build tree isn't even a tree -- it's a fucking forest! There are like 17 different build trees, each one gnarly and moss-covered and subtly (or not so subtly) different from the next, all plastered together into one shambling mass of code. Some of the sub-trees hard code ld -foo -bar -ZxCvB commands instead of invoking $(CXX) to be the linker. Some of them hard code cc as the compiler instead of using $(CC). I shit you not. Oh, and you can't type "make" in a sub-trees to build just that sub-tree. You have to start all over from the top level. After a few days, I gave up.
It's bad, folks. Really, really bad.
I'd be embarrassed to release something like that as a 1.0 version. 0.6 alpha 2? Sure thing, no problem. But 1.0 is supposed to be finished.
P.S.: your "Firefox" code still unpacks itself in a directory named "mozilla". Not "mozilla-1.7" or "firefox-1.0" either... just plain "mozilla". It looks like a CVS snapshot to me.
I don't know how many times I've gotten a "you must accept cookies in order to see this site" message, and had to pull up a page's HTML source code just to try to find out what address the cookie was coming from.
Firefox is ahead of IE on so many levels, but is years behind on this one.
I'd like to see the first window much quicker when I run the app - this is where a lot of users will percieve the 'speed' of the browser. How about cacheing a run length encoded copy of a blank window and putting that on screen first, before loading everything else up. The actual back end doesn't need to be ready until I've finished typing a url and hit enter, but if I could start typing it earlier, Mozilla would feel faster.
I'd also like adblock/flashblock installed by default, with a nice strong set of predefined rules in place, and automatic updating of those rules regularly. I know it's easy to set up if you know what you are doing at the moment, but let's face it, a lot of potential switchers from IE don't know what they are doing.
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I'd like to see the email client be able to store attachmeents in a folder like Opera does that would be sweet. I also do hope to see Mozilla make it to 2.0 I preffer a suite browser/email client having the two incorporated together just seems to work best for me as my email client is just a single click from a toolbar. rather than having two programs like firefox/thinderbird
I personally am mainly concerned about speed and portability.
I'd like to see Mozilla as the fastest browser. Render time, load time, memory footprint. Teh whole shebang.
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I would like a navigation toolbar with differently sized buttons. The most common operation is BACK, thus it should be much larger than the other buttons.
The least used buttons are forward, stop and reload, thus they should be small.
What do you think?
These days I have been working on the Chinese printing problem of Mozilla/FireFox. I found that the PostScript output function very weak, especially when printing Web pages in CJK languages. OpenOffice's printing function is much better. It can embed CJK TrueType fonts into the PostScript output, in vector Type 3 format. I really hope the developers can put similar functions into Mozilla/FireFox. BTW: Why not make a Qt/KDE version of Mozilla/FireFox?
"movemail" was one of my options when I set up my mail and I haven't found a single bug yet.
Intergrated search bar would be nice and faster rendering. That's it. When I installed Mozilla, Firefox was whatever it was three names ago and still in earlier stages.
Just remember: 99% of web-users, aka not the 1% on slashdot, use the internet to check email, read the news, check stock quotes, look at porn, and shop. So long as sites work and rendered correctly and quickly: they could give a flying fuck. Yeah I know poorly rendered sites are usually poorly coded for IE first, and nothing second, and yes that is the designer's fault, but with 90%+ of the world using IE, then items like Mozilla really need to be able to render menus etc. correctly.
That's my advice
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Since we all know that slashcode certainly isn't a mess, we must be relying on the kindness of nerds.
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one feature I want would be "advanced bookmarking". it would essentially be a more complex tracking method for bookmarked pages. In addition, it would allow me to journal the pages in bookmarks routinely.
Another one I'd like would be the ability to have a "notebook" built into moz - I could make notes on pages and highlight interesting sections, while having those markups saved for me when I return to the site. There'd also be a "notebook" where all the pages that have been marked up would be saved. Goodness knows we've got the space for that kind of thing now.
And finally, I'd like to have SessionSaver (which is no longer compatible with FF past 0.8) built in by default. That was one handy little tool.
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1. Choices of picking up where I left off last time or not. :-)
2. "Paste and go" - how did I live before?
3. Maybe some integration with del.icio.us or something similar
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
Why, I ask, WHY Debian make Mozilla a dependence of everything. Every time I apt-get something that depends on a Browser I get the mastodontic Mozilla installed. As I use Firefox (replacing Mozilla, dead and gone) I find it a pain in the ass having to UNINSTALL the goddam thing every time. Apt lets me unuinstall it without complains, so why force me install it the first place?
The ONLY thing I like in Mozilla and miss in Firefox is the "direct search on Google". You just type it in the URL bar. Having a different box for that was a moron's idea.
For a salomonic solution you could have BOTH search features...
I want to see the code that is currently "mozilla" go away and be replaced with a new suite built around Firefox/Thunderbird (with the features from the current Mozilla that FF/TB dont have added in to FF/TB). Dont forget to port Chatzilla too, I use that for IRC :)
Ideally it would be done by making closer links between Firebird and Thunderbird (with both being seperate applications and any code they share being put into shared DLLs that both apps can use).
It would still act like the suite does now. If you select "mail" on the menu in any part of the suite it would launch Thunderbird.
If you select "browser" or "new browser window", it would launch Firefox.
Ditto when it comes to clicking on mailto: links in Firefox and web etc links in Thunderbird.
One benifit of my idea is that if the user has selected something other than Thunderbird as their default email client, Firefox would talk to that instead. (I dont know if that is possible now with the current suite or not)
Same for Thunderbird and your default web browser.
By putting as much code as possible into shared DLLs and modules (that could be loaded at startup by something like the Gecko Runtime Engine service someone else suggested), loading one part of the suite when another one was already loaded wouldnt take very long.
Or, another option is to combine FF/TB into a single program. Even this would have benifit over the current mozilla suite given that (AFAIK) the UI of Firefox and Thunderbird is lighter on the system than that of the currnt mozilla suite.
Like several other posters on this story, I use the mozilla suite because everything is there in one place. But it is possible to have the same "everything is in one place" feel whilst making use of all the good things (more lightweight UI etc) FireFox and Thuderbird have.
Truthfully, as small and quick as Firefox is, I still have to say that I like the Mozilla browser so much better. I love control of my browser, and clicking on the tools menu drop down and having direct access to all of the managers (cookies, popups, etc..) is the greatest options on could have as easy as they can give it to you. Firefox was a little tricky to get used too at first, and I particular dont like the button interface.
I have pretty much switched to exclusively to Firefox. I agree with some of the previous posts that Mozilla was a little bloated for my tastes. I am sure there is a population it serves well, but I am not among them.
I think the problem with Mozilla is that it already has too many functions for me. I really don't want my email tied to my browser, so I did not use that part of Mozilla. I rarely use chat services, so that was useless to me. Again, I am sure Mozilla serves a certain market very well, just not the market I am in.
Firefox on the other hand serves my purposes very well. It is a sleek, fast browser. Obviously tabbed browsing is nice. I like its security. I like the clean layout of the menu and tool bars.
Having done so much with so little for so long, I now can do anything with nothing at all.
i want to see a focus on security.
1. a thourough audit of code
2. some mozilla configuration settings need to have the capability to be disabled. For example, in a deployment over a large company it would be great to not allow users to either install any extensions, or only those from a pre approved location.
the current settings need to be locked away somehow from the user so they cannot bypass them and install extensions.
Also check out Brendan Eich's Mozilla 2.0 must-haves and the Firefox 2.0 Roadmap.
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If I'm not mistaken there is an tabbed browsing extension that allows for loading javascript links in tabs.
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... is ActiveX support. Really.
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I have Opera 8Beta, and it accepted my Opera 7 licence.
When the Opera 8 skins come out its UI will be the best there is.
Mozilla was more like Firefox and had less features. Hasn't Aol/Netscape learned its lesson? I mean, Mozilla, Opera, etc went years without putting a dent in the IE market share and it seems FireFox did it with ease because its small and fast.
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One thing that IE does do, that no other browser does is to allow you to put the File/Edit/View/Favorites/Tools/Help menu, the 4 essential buttons ( back, forward, stop and reload ) and the Address bar on ONE line at the top of the screen.
It even lets you allocate less space than the menus or buttons need to display so that you can have easy access to a long address bar, back the back button and the File menu but still be able to access the others via a drop down menu.
The UI of IE doesn't get in your way. I always turn off tabbed browsing anyway where it is available. IE is a steaming pile of crap, it's a bug-ridden security deathtrap and lacking in many features that Firefox has. However, if I could bolt IE's UI onto Firefox so that I could have one line of screen real estate taken by the menus/etc instead of the two minimum firefox supports, I would.
I'd like to see a version of geko that enables:
1) A Avalon like API for SOAP controled GUI's. Kind of like GLADE, but more flexible. A way of designing user interfaces, where the logic is almost totaly seperated to the server side.
2) SVG.... realy, why isn't this already in by default? In fact, if the SVG were made scriptable then #1 would be made almost trivial.
3) Sandbox Security. The ability to run plugins or "activex" controls in a restricted sudo account or sudo style sandbox. This could free up allot of design issues, while leveraging an inherently stable security model.
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- SVG
- A better client-side VM.
- Heavy duty form support, including the ability to create and use form "widgets"
- Client-side persistent store
Want to compete with MS's upcoming XAML platform? I believe this list will go a long way toward that.This will allow interactive graphic applications that are just not possible now with primarily text-oriented DHTML.
Like real compiled Javascript 2.0 or perhaps a Python VM. You can do some amazing and surprising things with client-side JS, but as web apps tackle what are now primarily the domain of "fat" installed apps, we're going to need some real client side power. The ability to create and call libraries of routines will prove to be important.
These issues are being addressed in both Ian Hickson's WHAT-WG and W3C's Xforms. Implementations of these in compiled code would be great.
From what I gather, Moz 2.0 will embed the small SQL engine SQLite to store it's configuration data, etc.. How about providing access to this engine for web apps? Think of it as maybe a cookie on some relational algebra radioactive steriods. Imagine being able to download chunks of data from your server-side store and work with them locally. You would effectively have web apps that continue to work when disconnected from the web.
Hi,
I think the entry box for search engines is poorly designed in Firefox.
It is possible to chose various search engines. But, to switch from one search engine to another, I have to click on the search engine logo, click again on the search engine of my choice, and then press enter. If afterwards I want to use the same search engine as before again, it takes another two clicks to switch back.
I think that most users have one "default" search engine that they use most of the time (typically Google), and use other sites like Amazon, eBay, etc only occasionally. Considering this, I think the fact that the search engine box remembers the last used search engine is not good.
Here's how I wish the box to be:
- Simple text entry field
- Besides the field, a button that when you click it, it will search with your default search engine (e.g. Google).
- Besides this button, a little down-arrow (like on those Back/Forward buttons) that will present a choice of other search engines, and when one of these is clicked, ONLY THIS SEARCH will be performed using the alternative search engine. The main button itself keeps pointing to Google
Also, the behaviour of the entry field is not good on UNIX platforms. On Windows platforms, you can simply click into the search engine field (which will cause the text already present to be marked) and when you start typing, the previously marked text will vanish. That is OK.
However, on UNIX, having the text marked after click would erase clipboard content (and therefore the text isn't marked when you click in the search field). Since I usually don't search for the same search string twice, I have to manually erase previous text using delete or backspace for each search. HOW ANNOYING!!! I know I could use ctrl+j, but that would mark the text and thus erase my clipboard content.
What I wish for UNIX versions of Firefox is that the search field is cleared as soon as you start the search. Just like it is with Galeon etc.
bye,
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I love Mozilla better ! .. it's more for the pros.
1) Right-click on an RSS/Atom feed hyperlink in a page to subscribe.
2) The ability to easily manually add a feed.
3) An option to go to the Homepage of the site for the RSS feed. A lot of times 2 or more of the stories look good and I'd rather go to the web page, than read the stories individually.
This is what I think is needed:
- Make the suite just a well integrated Firefox/Thunderbird/Sunbird
- Support all the groupware functions of outlook, this is how to become serious in the corporate arena.
- GOOD Palm sync (and maybe Blackberry?) this is needed for the corporate arena
- Speed is a serious problem, work on it
- Better plugin management
The firm I work for uses Mozilla under 9x/XP (and previously Netscape). We don't want ActiveX support coz that's what IE (Internet-High Security + Trusted Sites) is for - let's face it, if a site uses ActiveX it probably has IE specific hacks too.
We are moving to Notes and the migration highlights how much the address book bites, since we couldn't import Netscape address books directly (had to export to LDIF) and now can't export to Notes (no vCard export support).
Mozilla has worked fairly well for us in a corporate environment and we would probably be retaining it except that we are using Domino for Blackberry Enterprise Server and IMAP doesn't mesh well with the setup.
Along with the manual suggested earlier, a "Mozilla in the Workplace" webpage series codifying what is spread out there on various other websites in terms of customising Mozilla for corporate installs is needed. If Mozilla wants to replace IE, the workplace must be a priority as that's where a lot of people use it eight hours a day.
For those pesky sites that actively disallow non-IE sites. Two sites I can remember are: www.marksandspencer.com and the detailed description pages for any fidelity.com mutual fund.
I'll be glad when the Mozilla SVG Project is complete and integrated into Mozilla. I hate having to revert to using IE when I'm working on an SVG project. (Yes, I also use Batik Squiggle...but the average end user isn't going to be using Batik...)
sorry if i sound like a noob, but I just don't quite understand why they further the development of Mozilla? I mean whats the point when Firefox is their latest release?? I always thought of Firefox as the NEW Mozilla.. i probably should read a little more.. but if someone can give me a quick kick in the ass, i'd appreciated it :)
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People nowadays download large files over HTTP. Downloading such files even on a fast connection - not to mention all those dial-uppers out there - can take several hours. Hence hours are lost if the download is interrupted, for example because of connection problems, power outages or computer crash.
On MSIE it has become practically essential to use some kind of download-manager (e.g. GetRight, to name one of dozens), if only for its "resuming downloads" support. Mozilla would be therefore be wise to have resuming downloads as a core feature, especially for HTTP downloads and also (less important, rarely used by end-users) for FTP downloads.
Can they make it a little quicker? We know that the extensions and UI are heavily rely on javascript, so if we can make the jsengine run a little bit quicker, mozilla/firefox and gain a lot.
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We need support for the Adobe and Corel SVG plugins. The newest Adobe plugin support is flaky at best with frequent crashes.
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-- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1172
-- This is a major bug in the architecture of mozilla that needs to be fixed. Unfortunatly it is very encompasing and as such there are not many who are brave enough to tackle this one.
2) Message Box functionality
-- This would allow for functionality similar to but not exactly like IE's MsgBox.
-- Since alert, and confirm don't always cover all situations, it would be nice to enable yes/no, yes/no/cancel and some others.
-- Also fix the whitespace contraction problem with alerts (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=503
-- Allow for copying from the message (alert) dialog box. In IE you can hit ctrl-c and the content of the alert is copied into the clipboard (cool feature)
3) Access to print layout features like in IE
-- In IE, with the right evil Active-x control, a page designer can change the formatting of the printing via JavaScript. This is an awesome feature that we depend on for outputing professional documents from the web browser. However, Moz is not capable of this one. Maybe this could be done with an extention?
4) Better memory management in framework
-- In general, I find that Mozilla does not do a very good job of freeing up memory. Over time, when doing lots of refreshes, eventually Mozilla will take over 100mb even if only one window is left open. Better garbage collection is probably in order.
-- Right now, I have to shut down all Mozilla windows and re-open them from scratch to bounce the memory footprint.
5) Corporate distribution ability
-- A deployment of Mozilla that will enable a corporation to control and lock down which extentions and features are enabled. This feature is really for security reasons and I am sure that the Extentions engine is probably going to be the breaking point for may large groups to embrace Mozilla. If an IT lead can specify that the mozilla on the image will have xxx extentions and can routinely update these extentions or add/remove them, they can lock down this issue with mozilla. No security lead would be unhappy with this feature.
-- Maybe an extention service wrapper extention can be enabled for this one.
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merge the two products. majority of the same features. keep firefox, kill mozilla. note that i mean the mozilla browsers. only way this doenst happen is politics from each project. but should be able to concentrate on firefox and slowly move mozilla browser out.
For those lazy to check what this is about, both mozilla and firefox have problems saving dynamic content. They end up requesting the file from the server again, which in many cases means posting a transaction twice.
This may also lead to monetary damage to you. The most common example is when you make a purchase over the web and try to save the receipt. If the shopping site has a poorly implemented system, you end up making the purchase twice when you save the receipt.
This bug has been marked critical and has been around for 3 years now. I've been bitten by it quite a few times and so have many others judging by the comments. And I can assure you that it is still there.
Doesn't automatically save downloads to disk. Have to press a button. I suppose that's a feature, but when I click on a link, I know it's what I want downloaded.
On the Mac, Dowloaded dmg images should automatically open as disks.
Moving bookmarks around is much more cumbersome than Safari, where you can just drag them in the bookmarks window.
No history submenus like Safari that let you go back several days.
History list does not show small icons.
Is there a key-combination that can close the current tab?
Most of the time, I use Konqueror, FireFox and Mozilla, in that order and wouldn't want to loose any of them. All are different (especially Konqueror), so that if I encounter a webpage that doesn't look right in one browser, I'll try another. If none of them work and I really have to view the page, I'll start up Windows (Win4Lin) and try the Windows version of FireFox. Only as a last resort will I use IE, although luckily it's been months since I've had to do that (a good sign).
Finally, all are separate. This is good, since if I'm doing some serious research and have a lot of webpages open, I don't want one bad page to crash the only browser I'm using and make me start all over again. With three browsers, if I spread things around evenly enough, one browser crashing will not mean that I loose all of my results.
Look at GNOME as an example of a start at doing the "suite" thing right. If I don't want a particular docklet, I don't even have to install it. But if I do, it integrates.
I hope Firefox/Thunderbird don't replace Mozilla until they can at least do things like place Gecko in a separate package, so we don't have to downlaod it twice. I personally hate having to copile each separately.
They seem to integrate well enough right now, but I get the feeling that running both at once is still less efficient than running Mozilla. It shouldn't be.
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The only reason I left Firefox was because of how it hanldes bookmarks. You can't sort them or drag and drop them from the menu. That is something you get used to having when using IE. I'm sure others feel the same that use this feauture.
I haven't really looked into how this works or anything like that, but it seems that Opera shows pages really, really quickly after you press the back or forward buttons. I'd like to see that in FF.
For some reason the Firefox engine will not print from my Samsung ML1750 printer without skewing the text up. Everything else prints on it fine. This is a show stopper for me and I am using Opera (which works fine with the printer).
I want/prefer/like my email integrated into the browser. Firefox/Thunderbird works OK but not as well as Mozilla. But overall I prefer the Firefox browser for tabbing, speed and ease of user. It just feels good. It's nice to have choices again. I am a happy camper even with the problems.
Not only a robust rendering engine for scalable vector graphics that looks good no matter how HD your monitor, but provides a path forward for putting figures and diagrams into web pages in a much better way than bitmaps. This would be a tremendous development toward making it possible to publish quality scientific documents on the web in a format that would, finally, supersede paper.
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Opera allows you to open a window in a new tab more easily and configure the command better.
:P) INCLUDING HISTORY!
But more importantly! Opera supports closing the browser and upon reopening it having it EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHEN YOU CLOSED IT! (unless a page was updated
This feature is awsome! Once I procrastinated studying something for a whole semester just left it in my browser and never even bookmarked it!
Plus if my computer crashes (sigh windows) no problem!
Just some SIMPLE capabilities, in a SIMPLE UI, not a big fat procedural language. Just for convenience and basic automation, e.g., open a page, put some data in a field, activate a button (yes it would be convenient to display a distilled extract of the field and control list from the DOM).
Or go to page X, find all the links following a certain heading, and open them in separate tabs. E.g., go to Google News, find the "Sci/Tech" heading, and open the first 6 stories in separate tabs. or, better yet, go to Google News, enter a search, then find the heading and open the following links in new tabs. (Yes, I know there's lotsa Google hack pkgs out there that might do this, but I've got many other news sites in mind, not only this example.)
Maybe an auto-scroll function, to slowly scroll the page at your normal reading pace (tunable, obviously).
A function to scroll down a set amount or to some marker on every instance of pages on site X, so that the pages just open to where you know you want to read (or so the banner ad at the top is always hidden).
Just features to automate everyday stuff so we can be more productive. I'm not saying it would be simple to code, but it MUST be simple to use.
(and let's not have any of this 'if you can't figure out a complex syntax and interface, you don't deserve the benefits' BS. I've coded and designed plenty of successful comercial apps in my career, but just because I have the talent, doesn't mean I have the time -- this is just for convenience in browsing, not a platform for mission-critical applications)
This is just my personal experience, but I haven't found Firefox to be all that slick and streamlined as compared to Mozilla or anything else. Furthermore, it's rather unstable even in its 1.0 version and seems to crash arbitrarily under certain circumstances, in my case a couple of times a day.
Firefox takes about 10-12 seconds to load on a 900 Mh PIII system running a 2.6.x linux kernel, which is just long enough for me to start drumming my fingers impatiently. I tend to keep it in memory just so I won't have to wait for it to start up, which I don't like to do because it seems to become unstable after a while.
Firefox doesn't always render pages consistently; for example, quite often it messes up the Slashdot home page and I have to reload the page to view it properly. I wonder why this is.
I do appreciate the growing number of extensions for Firefox, though I wonder why they can't have been adapted for Mozilla since it also uses XUL. I currently use Image Zoom, Advanced Highlighter Button, User Agent Switcher, Web Developer, All-in-One Gestures, Nuke Anything, Print It, and Flashblock, and with these fine enhancements I have taken back control of my browsing experience. No more in-your-face flash explosions, a really well done mouse gestures tool, and the ability to zoom images or even remove them from the page. This has made browsing fun again!
I miss the stability and "solid feel" of Mozilla but I like some of the little GUI doo-dads that Firefox has and I'm looking forward to lots more innovations from these folks. I also like the fact that the world is finally writing web pages for multiple browsers again after a very dark period from 1999-2002 when IE reigned.
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I would like to see another flavor of Mozilla for corporate use. Something that can be managed on a corporate network. I don't beleive either Mozilla or Firefox require this to be added to them, just create a new flavor with the same rendering engine. It would be like creating a Firefox for corporate users in mind picking and choosing the plugins that are appropriate for work related use.
How has your slashdot use affected wiki.mozilla.org?
I know there is already the IRC app included in Mozilla but that is not for most people. But an easy to use instant messenger within the Sidebar would simply kick butt! Obviously this would require some server hardware probably to direct the messages. Mozilla Messenger anyone?
It's nice that we have better tools for browsing now (tabs, extensions, etc.), but in order to build better /pages/ we need better tools (and by tools, I don't mean new brushes/editors, I mean new PAINTS).
A real, non-proprietary system for embedded fonts. Rotational text. Better box positioning abilities. etc.
Just because MS is satisfied with near-CSS2 support doesn't mean we should be.
SVG support would be keen too... imagine fully graphic sites that didn't even need image files! Don't forget, MS is working on their own, proprietary answers for these needs, in the form of Avalon; the Web needs to lead, not follow.
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Along with Instant Messaging, integrated Chat Rooms would be great too! A "hot chicks of Slashdot" room would go over very well. Donate servers anyone?
Mozilla need to get serious about accessibility. Last time I checked, it was way down the list of priorities. Then maybe I can persuade my (partially sighted) dad to stop using IE. He keeps using it because he can easily force screen colours and typeface (both font and size).
jwz has called the mork db format "the single most braindamaged file format that I have ever seen in my nineteen year career."
Suggestions would include switching to MySQL, or to an XML format like Safari uses. See Bugzilla #241438.
In Mozilla!!!!!!!!
Just a thought...
FireFox consists of a bunch of XPCOM components glued together. Thunderbird, likewise, is a bunch of XPCOM components glued together.
If you look at Mozilla, you start the browser, then you go to tools | email to switch to email or to tools | composer to switch to composer, etc. The pieces are still "stand alone" applications, it's just a matter the menus are wired to load them as if they were integrated.
If you made each "piece" an XPCOM component, you could have a stub "FireFox" executable that loaded just the web browser "piece" and then you could have the "suite" that just loaded all the pieces.
That's the way it really should probably be. It means an unmeasurable hit on startup of firefox, but it makes everything consistent throughout the "suite."
If your code is acting bloated, and is running rather slow, it's likely and predicted that some loops you will unroll.
1. SVG
Enough said
2. Dynamic Fonts
Would get rid of most of the gifs download
Decorated headlines would scale and look just as good at 1600x1200 as they do at 800x600
3. Rename Firefox to Mozilla Browser
...and CSS 2 wouldn't hurt either.
.. and bug fixes I'd like to see in moz suite, no particular order.
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In the Browser, the ability to have images off, and load selected images right in the page, and not have to jump back and forth to a new page with the image, from a right click menu entry. I read hundreds of news pages a day, most of the time I don't need images but I'd like to select a single image and have it load right there real time. Would be *nice*. And make the text only version of the browser in options even more so, leave images on the other server, don't want them to render, nor download if that's what I pick.
Add some freekin space to the scroll bar on the right at the bottom between the down arrow and the padlock. That little buffer is a jokeski. It's just too close together, too easy to accidently activate it when you don't want it. It's picky but that's my largest annoyance with Moz. Accidently hit that thing a lot, it's like one pixel away or something. Really lame design there and no rational reason for it.
Individual fast ways to change the referrer info, in particular I am thinking for "subscription only" news sites having the ability to ID yourself say as googlebot or something that will let you in without pesky nag screens. On a page by page or domain by domain basis, and easy to change. I mean sheesh, one million news sites now have that "you must subscribe to view content" nonsense unless you look like something like a webbot they like (and no, don't like bugmenot ideas, don't want a middleman thing involved at all), just want to stick it to those sites so they eventually give up that "me too registration" deal. 90% of the content that will be there will inevitably be reuters/ap, etc feeds or rewritten feeds anyway, so what's the dang point? I see a link to your news site and depending on the referrer tags etc I get to see it or not? Screw that,screw bad webpage design, screw the sites that think they are so overwhelmingly "special" that you will just salivate over the opportunity to subscribe to just view the content, so let me have faster more fine tuned control in the browser to fix this nuts artificially created problem, perhaps even a "save this exact config for this site" menu option, which would include cookie defaults, images, JS or No JS, page referrer and id string info, etc..
Fix mp3 live streams in the "save as" right click menu option. Been broken for awhile (unless it's fixed lately, I am a version behind to be fair). Fix it I say, fix it.
A stop button that won't hang with flash or other huge page downloads you get when you accidently click on some bogus site that is superlame and you instantly want to change your mind about things, and will really stop it right then and there if you want to. You have no way in heck to tell what's on any dang random page until AFTER you click on the link, so give me a "changed my mind" optiion that works instantly. not only stop but HELLYASTOP RIGHT NOW. A *real* stop button that makes things stop when you want them to stop, not some arbitrary time in the mysterious future. If I can get my mouse cursor over it, I want that button to activate and do what it's told.
Then a way to have a satellite laser system blast the offending bogus webpages corporate HQ with the lame page to smithereens. Uhh, well, ya..
Integrate cd/dvd burning right into the browser. that would be a cool feature methinks
another idea, a "live browser" a la knoppix like experience, where you could have the security of running a live OS from a burnt fixed disk (appended to RAM if you choose to free up the drive) without having to do the entire deal. Just the browser websurfing part. Right now it's one or the other, use a live cd, or not. I want a normal HD install with just the browser live from optical disk or ram and "much more" secure that way.
mozmail--not many probs with it, works well and seems to have enough features for me, although an eXtreme text only option would be nice, one single button to mash that makes your e
If the average user will not miss it, then leave it out.
If I want a bloated Browser. I will use Internet Explorer..
Active X is a security problem on Windows. You shouldn't use it with any browser. There is also no need. Sites and apps can be built without it - not to mention it's not cross-platform.
I'd just like to see the Slashdot (Firefox?) bug taken care of.
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I'm tired of refreshing pages 20 times to be able to read comments.
To quote CmdrTaco, "Its a firefox bug, not a slashdot bug", when asked why it was dismissed as invalid.
I don't think there is much motivation for CmdrTaco to fix (deal with) as it ups the advertisers clicked count.....($$$$)
As a developer, I believe even if it IS a firefox bug, it is hurting the image of the site and should be worked around!
I would estimate at least have of
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A friend will come and bail you out of jail, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "damn that was fun!"
I think support for SVG is good, and Support for SVG animation, even better.
AND an extension that allows for creating svg graphics and animation.
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In a corporate environment, msi packaging and group policy have already been mentionned and would be usefull.
As for me specifically, I currently face two hurdles:
- being a longtime Moz user, and desiring to switch from Windows to Linux, I wish I had a tool to import my Windows-based Mozilla E-mail archive in my brand new Linux-based Mozilla! I suppose this may be of some interest for some corporate users too.
- I cannot drag and drop a whole folder + subfolders from a POP3 account to an Imap account. Granted, I would not do it every day, but this would help for some migrations operations.
- calendaring has already been mentionned and I feel this is needed, but beware of features: Outlook is soo feature rich it is astonishing. And the users use them... Many of those features are broken or ill implemented or only funtionnal in a fully MSFT environment though, so there is marketshare to grab.
I am not Remy Mouton, unfortunately: http://remy.mouton.free.fr/art/
First off. I use Mozilla Not Firefox/Thunderbird. :)
I find it kind of weird that so much more energy is being spent on Firefox than Mozilla. Though I understand that the integrated suite is not for everyone. Like those who use gmail. But I for one like the integration.
Integration is WHY so many people still use IE/Outlook/MSN Messenger.
These apps are integrated. They work well together and with windows (for those of us who use windows).
I like the fact that once I install Calender plugin into mozilla I havce "almost" what I would have with outlook/ie integration.
I like having one "mozilla" loaded and do all my internet things. Now if only there was some integration with GAIM or some Mozilla all-in-one IM client i'd be super happy!
But seemless/fast/usable integration is where MS has Mozilla beat here.
But seriously. What I'd like to see in Mozilla 2.0:
Better Address book:
- More email address spots
- more IM entry options
- more export/import formats/options
- *Outlook Compatible syncing* This is huge for me. So many apps only sync with outlook for addresses.
Calendar:
- less buggy
- included as standard
- better integration with mail and web
- Again, outlook compatible syncing
Web:
- Plugin/Extention Manager
- Ability to turn plugins on/off
Overall:
- Faster startup/running
- Distinct Active Icons and Processing names for the individual components so I can distinuish them in my process tree/taskbar
That's about all I can think of for now.
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"What does your wishlist include about Mozilla 2.0?"
A version used by AOL by default.
I'd like to see hooks in Gecko to be able to use the underlying toolkit (GTK) or rendering subsystem (Cairo, Quartz) for the general HTML layout and rendering primitives. That way we could take advantage of the hardware acceleration (Cairo on OpenGL), and expose the actual structure of the webpage, so we could for instance get a vector-based representation of the webpage if we need it.
Native support for SVG would tie in nicely with that too.
Firefox regularly uses over 700M RAM. The machine I'm on only has 256MB RAM. My solution is to keep task manager open and just forcibly kill firefox every hour or so. Maybe you could fix that for version 2?
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Developers, developers, developers, developers.
I'd like to see Mozilla making some nifty development tools which actually make it easier to develop with.
Remember, Mozilla is more than just an Internet/Email application, it's a whole platform. Anything which makes XUL / Mozilla program writing easier (like a tightly integrated IDE) would be much appreciated.
Plus... documentation.
I wish Mozilla was a proper superset of Firefox.
As it is, Mozilla has some (browser) features that Firefox does not have, and Firefox has some features that Mozilla does not have. It makes me want to have pieces of each.
I wish Mozilla were a strict superset of Firefox so that going from Firefox to Mozilla was not a "downgrade" in some respects.
For example, in Firefox, when you click on a link that opens in another tab or window, it changes to the "visited" color immmediately when the new page finishes loading. This does not happen in Mozilla, even though this is an ancient Firefox feature.
Instead of being Microsoft and charging into version 2 with a million new and useless features, how about solidifying 1.0 first?
/at least/ withstand the random data test without crashing on null or invalid pointers, and the bug lists are emptied, there is no point in discussing version 2.0
There are still plenty outstanding bugs, security concerns and severe stability issues. Until they can
Contrary to popular belief, coding is not all free blow-jobs and beer. Those things cost MONEY!
You might want to look at Mozilla's Sunbird.
Yes, it's only version 0.2, but it's a calendar.
OCO is Loco
GPOs, anyone?
There are no trails. There are no trees out here.
I like Mozilla because you can load it in memory and open it quickly. I also like having the browser and email client together sharing common DLL's. But I use Firefox (and by extension Thunderbird) because it has more extensions and I like the search box in the upper right corner. I don't prefer Thunderbird over Mozilla mail. They are identical to me, since I don't use email very much.
My question is, why did they fork off Firefox and Thunderbird and separate them from Mozilla? That was a really disappointing move. Why couldn't they take the time to make the different pieces of the Mozilla Suite modular so that they can work together if they are all loaded on one machine, yet separate if you only want one program like the browser? My biggest complaint is that now Firefox and Mozilla have different features, so now I have to make a decision every time a new version of Firefox or Mozilla comes out. I have to download the new version, check it out and decide which one is better.
Offtopic maybe, as this is a question about Firefox, not Mozilla per se;
I really miss the HTML editor in Mozilla when using Firefox. Is there a build that has the editor? Or, better yet, an extension/plug-in?
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The loss of focus drives me up the wall. One moment I can scroll up and down the page using the arrow keys, then the next moment they don't work anymore. So where the hell is the focus (pulling out hair and hitting keyboard). Find mouse, click on window again with no apparent change an it works again. Hurrah!
Karma? Sorry, i don't believe in superstition. http://talk.thinkingmatters.org.nz
Or just composer and the browser? Perfectly standards compliant and fast. Add some good CSS and template support to Composer with some basic site management, make it a true visual editor and suddenly mozilla doesn't go away so easily.
Oh, but if you're going to keep the e-mail client, could you please include the option to re-write mail headers or to pipe the mail through another program or even to re-direct/forward the mail automatically? These are important functions for e-mail and neither mozilla's email nor Thunderbird have them.
To keep it simple, here's what you need in 2.0 - LOTS of refinement. It needs to look like it's good to your average Joe Blow. It needs to load fast and just do what it's supposed to without crashing. Wouldn't help if it looked good too - a lot of artists are already helping a lot on that front.
For the record, I use Thunderbird and Firefox.
Find a job you like and you will never work a day in your life.
What I'd like to see is where the old screen area ends when I scroll down the page. For example, a horizontal line that for a couple of seconds shows where the old screen area ended and the new one begins.
Make it to display all common file types now on the web: pdf (generically), ps, *.doc, *.ppt. Then I wouldn't have to wait for Acrobat to load, install ghostview etc.
Make an integrated text-editor available. Then you could edit a part of a text page powerfully without having to copy to external app. Ideally run compiler with key-short. That would make using online tutorials more comfortable.
Apropos: search-as-you type should begin where you are on the page, not the first character. Avoids hopping around.
I hope they make a new theme for it. I am not really trying to be mean, but the Mozilla modern and classic themes are extremely dated.
I would like mozilla to remember the order of the tabs. If I close one tab, it should goto the tab I previous viewed, instead the tab after the one just closed.
I don't see this is hard to do.
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I would like to see an extension to tabbed browsing where you could grab a tab and make a new window out of it and pull it out of the current window. And I guess the inverse transform would be handy - allow merging of windows into tabs.
Most of my boxen have virtual desktops, so it's handy sometimes to have different windows on each desktop each with several tabs on the same subject. For example, I'll have one desktop with slashdot and a few links alongside IRC and another desktop reading API documentation for a project.
Another reason this is useful is so that when you open links from the mail program in a new tab, it does not always put the tab in the window you want.
- You don't know how to maintain a station wagon either!
A tool that allows other (invited) Mozilla / firefox users to see what I display on my desktop (not only browser). Preferably using p2p technology and working behind firewalls etc. Combine this with voice-over-IP technology like skype.
This would be a killer app for companies, because it allows them to do online presentations, software demo's etc. The other side does not need to control my PC, or something. It's not VNC. There is a product from Microsoft Live Office or something (used to be a company called Placeware, which was eaten by MS).
I'm sure it would be big fun at home as well. If it's easy to use.
IANAL, but imagine a beowulf cluster of in Soviet Russia all your belong are base to us welcoming the new SCO overlords.
This has already been done by a project on sourceforge. http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ Enjoy.
I wish I could drag tabs in and out of windows. Occasionally I'll have a set of tabs open, and I come across an unrelated page that I want to keep around, and I wish I could just drag that tab out into a new window. It's kind of a pain to have to open a new window and copy the URL over.
This is very true, and it is even worse for non-english speaking users. I tried to convince my father (we are both from Spain) to switch to Firefox this Christmas. Although he really liked the interface he kept complaining that there is no spanish manual. Luckily I was there to explain everything to him but I don't thing that he would have used it without my assistance due to the lack of user manual.
Yeah, that's *exactly* what I meant!
"Good news, everyone!"
Please see http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/mozilla-1.0.html for links about this.
Here's a few gripes I've had with Mozilla over the past five years that don't seem to have been mentioned elsewhere - or fixed, either:
Some of the defaults in Mozilla are crazy. Who doesn't want to block popups? Who wants the same 'plaintext is unsecure' warning every time they click a submit button? These have been corrected in Firefox but are still the same in the Mozilla suite. Before switching over to Firefox for most purposes, I had to spend time training my staff about all the default options that needed changing in Mozilla regardless of who we were installing it for.
Still on the subject of defaults, why is the 'Classic' theme still the default in Mozilla when it also ships with 'Modern'? So many people look at that and just go "Ugh... Netscape" before I've had chance to change it and restart the browser, and then I have to spend another five minutes reconvincing them that they really do want to give this 'Netscape-thing' a[nother] chance. Yes, I know it's not Netscape. They don't.
The one, most annoying usability-issue about Mozilla which even IE gets right: when you enter an incorrect URL such as slashdot.ogr and hit enter, before you can correct it, an irritating 'OK' box appears in the middle of the screen saying site could not be found.... This necessities having to either (1) Stop whatever you were about to click on with the mouse to click on this small Ok box in the middle of the screen, or (2) Press Enter with the keyboard but then still have to use the mouse to click back into the address bar just to retype that URL. Microsoft ended this backward behaviour in Internet Explorer years ago by just changing the content of the display in the browser to 'Page cannot be found', and it's still easily possible to correct the address bar without reaching for the mouse. I'm really surprised the Mozilla people haven't made this minute change yet and would love to see it done.
Flash and Java plugins installation: fair enough, Mozilla can't ship with Flash and Java because of licensing problems and lack of source code availability - two good reasons. But for the 98% of users who will then want to have Flash and Java installed (whether they knew this at the time of installation or not) and who aren't lucky/loaded enough to have computer-geeks on standby who can deal with this kind of crap for them, plugin installation is far too hard. Mozilla should make us aware of this lack-of-plugins-in-the-default-install situation right at the start, possibly by mentioning it on the Mozilla start page, and should then have nice text saying "To install the Flash plugin, click here. To install the Java plugin, click here. To install the Acrobat plugin...", and so on, with extremely simple (2-3 clicks at most) installation methods. Yes, I know to carry around Flash and Java with me, but until it really is that simple, Flash not working or just displaying 'Click here to download the plugin', where clicking here actually just leads to confusion and more clicks (as it does right now: "Sorry, no appropriate plugin found, even though it was Java you wanted... I guess you'll just have to do without"), lots of users are going to go back to IE, which is surely not in any of our interests.
If you click a link but it hasn't loaded yet, and you change your mind and click 'stop', Mozilla very often wipes out the current page you were still reading and replaces it with a blank screen, which is even less useful than just ignoring the stop request and displaying the new page anyway. I'd really like to see this modifies so that clicking stop always either loads the n
I would like Mozilla to be themable under the KDE so it looks like other kde apps.
Cue the apples and oranges comparison: http://www.improb.com/airchives/paperair/volume1/v 1i3/air-1-3-apples.html
That is a good point. There IS no way to run a WinUpdate without IE. I am yet to go to Firefox but expect to by the end of the month.
targetting different users and both based on the underlying XUL rendering engine. It has better bookmark features, the sidebar is more useful, and it has a *really great* editor and e-mail application.
Firefox is nice and simple and I occassionally use it but nothing is sweeter than the fully integrated suite IMHO. The integrated Mozilla is a *lot* easier for some organizations to select as a standard set of applications precisely because it is a suite. Others want to choose smaller pieces so they may prefer FFox.
I think Mozilla is best seen as a reference implementation of a set of XUL applications (the way Gnome or KDE bundle a set of applications based on their respective frameworks): it does not preclude FFox and neither application makes the other redundant.
To get rid of that "M" icon in the upper right hand corner. I accidentally click on that occasionally, and it takes me to the Mozilla homepage. Begone, big, obtrusive icon!
Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
"Its on firefox too but you cant make images any bigger then they already are like you can with opera"
You can resize images using the Image Zoom extension.
Next, figure out how to manage all of the extensions being pumped out by users and validate the most popular ones with signatures.
Installing foreign software of any sort is the biggest security risk and Mozilla, including Firefox, makes it too easy for the uneducated.
Downloading seperate programs is a different matter, the host operating system usually has policies for this sort of thing.
Separating GRE will allow maximum developer flexibility. I realize you could graft it into your project, but it's easier to require the user to install a universal dependancy and hook into a library than to make that code overhaul yourself.
As a solution for support Active X controls under Windows, why not create a browser plugin that can sandbox an ActiveX control? Even if this doesn't make a difference for other platforms, it could be THE killer app on Windows, a browser that works well, is compatible and more w3c compliant, AND guarnatee that your use of ActiveX controls would be safe?
# Better printing support .pdf or .chm (popular for users) so web pages are portable.
/usr/bin/xulrunner' at the top of a .xul file and get busy.
# Save as
After that I think the most important features are to make mozilla better and more productive for application developers.
eg
# xulrunner/xulrunner.exe, so you can write '#!
# better customization for applications: pref directories, splash screens, etc
# XUL 2 and XBL 2 -- standardized specifications, greater binding language power, more scripting languages, more widgets, and working remote XUL/XBL.
# SVG support to a useful level, not necessarily the whole 1.1 spec.
# Web Forms 2.0.
# XForms
# JavaScript 2.0 support, including ECMAScript for XML support.
# Python support
# backwards compatibility for xul/xbl/js/etc between point releases.
# libxul.so/libxul.dll, a versioned shared library with minimal, frozen, documented API exports, and fast intra-library calling convention code
# real inheritance in xbl and the ability to call on parent methods without hacking and ugly code
It helps a lot with integration with webmail interfaces, making mailto's and various mail calls bring up the appropriate webmail screen. Works with gmail, yahoomail, hotmail, mail.com and a ton of others including custom setups.
If that doesn't cover what you are asking in terms of integration, then what else did you have in mind? I'm sure it's an area that would be improved upon with thought. (though I'm sure no browser wants to build in too many specific bits just for one specific mail provider.)
Personally I install Orbit 3+1 with small buttons first thing.
I tried one of the mozilla browsers it was either firebird or firefox I don't remember. Anyway I thought it sucked rotten eggs. It hijacked all of my J-Peg and Gif files. When I tried to open any of them it wanted to open an internet browser window and if I was offline I was out of luck. So I deleted this junk and went back to IE.
I WANT MY KEYBOARD SHORTCUT THEMES NOW!
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Emacs theme, IE6 theme, vi theme, konq theme...
Just some three-four slots for saving a whole set of keyboard shortcuts, yeah.
(If Mozilla were Emacs, somebody would now stand up and tell me that it's already implemented and I failed to read the menu.)
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It wiil be very cool and awesome if Friefox 2.0 will
came with a Web Radio extension wher you can choose
only your Favorit Web Radio and listen to the Music in the time where you are surfing and reading the html Sites on the Web.
http://www.webradiolist.com/
( The First Web Radio Channel is the Open Source Radio wher Open Sourc Firms can make Marketing for their Linux Programms
That will be really a BIG Argument against MSIE.
With FIREFOX 2.0 listen directly to Web Radios over the World !
Fire Fox 2.0 The Better Internet Browser !
It will be also very cool when FireFox 2.0 have a Speech Engine to Read the Content of a Web Page.
A lotof Read Me and HOWTO Files about LINUX OS have a BIG Content.
Reading this Content with the Eyes only is with the Time realy demotivated and cost a lot of Time.
With a Fire Fox Web Speech Engine you have only to Click to the Content that you Want to read and You can sit back in the Chair and Enjoy the Writing.
With a Web Speech engine you dont have to read
the whole Texte because you have also a second information channel (Audio) that bring you the needing Information.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jhome/
This is a 100% java application with many features, such as monitoring events, speech, web interface, and swing GUI.
A home automation software to control various X10 devices from your computer with CM11A and CM17A serial interfaces.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/sayzme/
Sayz Me is a text-to-speech application for Windows (cross-platform is next). Text can be typed in or read from clipboard. Words are highlighted when spoken. Select voice, adjust reading speed, voice pitch, font and color. Simple and easy to use.
I guess it was modded "troll" because there isn't an answer to the question I asked. I asked hoping to get an answer.
So I ask again... What am I missing by using Firefox instead of Mozilla?
The truth doesn't care what I think.
Mozilla 2.0 is not ready yet, but in the mean time Mozilla 1.8 Alpha 6 has been released. It has better support for XForms, CSS3, SVG and is more compatible with Solaris. I wrote some info about it here.