my mistake I took you original post as having some slight oversights that I could gently point in the direction of understanding. My mistake, won't happen again with you. Apologies for wasting your time.
Compare COBOL to LISP which one came first? Which one can be applied to solving the most problems? Which one provides the most abstractions to the programmer? COBOL was in no way a step forward from LISP.
Below is some history of the languages, pretty accurate IMHO.
You'll see that COBOL/JAVA was designed by committe before being in general use. Most succesful languages eventually get a committe but hopefully the langugae in use is strong enough to stop major changes being made by the committe.
I've coded commercially in all the languages listed except 701, I have used Z80/6502/68000 though.
As for C/Java the syntax is simialr, java was designed not to scare C/C++ programmers. But I never mentioned syntax, that may be how you judge a languugae but to me it's a trivial matter, what's important is what the language let's you do e.g. does the ANSI COBOL standard have recursion yet?
Taco doesn't get to pick the editors. I'm pretty sure they're foisted on him from above. Remeber, Taco doesn't own the site.
Having said that it would be nice if just once we got a decent editor. It would be nice if there was an area to discusss/. with out being modded down. It would be nice if there was a spelling/grammar checker. It would be nice to have a dupe checker. It would be nice if they told you which one of the dolts refused your story and maybe why. It would be nice if story moderation was removed from the editors etc etc
It ain't gonna happen./. is just a revenue making site for the company, personally I'm thinking it's ripe for implosion maybe http://www.reddit.com/ will take over. Maybe you could come up with a better/. how about www.tilda.com ?
I was forced into a closed shop when I was a teenager, never will I be a part of that again.
I'm all for a more equitable share of money but you don't get that with a union. All union does if give my money to somebody else who in return tells me I have to stop work!
I think the world needs a radical shake up in the labour market but it will not happen because people unionise. I doubt it will happen in the next fifty years. It will only happen when people grasp the idea of us all being one.
I was not involved but the story is more of VC stupidity than anything desktop.com did wrong.
If you get away from the fact that it wasn't open the idea was actually pretty sound and given the increase in bandwidth it probably would have done very well.
My understanding was the VC withdrew the money from the company after giving it to them! The VC thought they had a better deal elsewhere. Without the money the company folded.
I have to use a language that doesn't even have recursion much less OO! I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Any interesting startups in the East Bay using Ruby/Lisp?
Take a look at this really cool presentation, even if you find the subject matter boring the presentation is sharp, http://www.identity20.com/media/OSCON2005//. news for the lazy and ignorant
There are two problems with your suggestion:-
Firstly, we don't have a spiffy swinging whip thing
Secondly, we don't have a spiffy swinging whip thing Now technically that is only one thing but, it was so stupid I thought it deserved saying twice.
So for you the service would be unworkable, big deal.
Now for me a remotely administered environment would be ideal. VNC to my desktop over my broadband and I'd be happy. Here's my $20 per month subscription fee. I'll supply my local terminal and everything will be hunky dory.
I no longer need to perform upgrades, maintain my security, perform backups etc.
I could concentrate on writing code not administrating my machine.
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This is what I was thinking. Make a book out of this stuff, A4/US Letter size with 200 pages, the electronics could fit in the binder.
Ahh,
my mistake I took you original post as having some slight oversights that I could gently point in the direction of understanding. My mistake, won't happen again with you. Apologies for wasting your time.
I ain't your son, got that pal?
g uage
Compare COBOL to LISP which one came first? Which one can be applied to solving the most problems? Which one provides the most abstractions to the programmer? COBOL was in no way a step forward from LISP.
Below is some history of the languages, pretty accurate IMHO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COBOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LISP
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_programming_lan
You'll see that COBOL/JAVA was designed by committe before being in general use. Most succesful languages eventually get a committe but hopefully the langugae in use is strong enough to stop major changes being made by the committe.
I've coded commercially in all the languages listed except 701, I have used Z80/6502/68000 though.
As for C/Java the syntax is simialr, java was designed not to scare C/C++ programmers. But I never mentioned syntax, that may be how you judge a languugae but to me it's a trivial matter, what's important is what the language let's you do e.g. does the ANSI COBOL standard have recursion yet?
The devil must be wearing a fur coat!
/. with out being modded down. It would be nice if there was a spelling/grammar checker. It would be nice to have a dupe checker. It would be nice if they told you which one of the dolts refused your story and maybe why. It would be nice if story moderation was removed from the editors etc etc
/. is just a revenue making site for the company, personally I'm thinking it's ripe for implosion maybe http://www.reddit.com/ will take over. Maybe you could come up with a better /. how about www.tilda.com ?
Taco doesn't get to pick the editors. I'm pretty sure they're foisted on him from above. Remeber, Taco doesn't own the site.
Having said that it would be nice if just once we got a decent editor. It would be nice if there was an area to discusss
It ain't gonna happen.
You don't have spellexia you're just lacking empathy.
Now go and look up dyslexia you ignorant fool.
COBOL is hated because it was a language designed for programmers not by programmers. Same as Java.
Try C, LISP, SmallTalk or Ruby and you start to feel that the language is helping you. Cobol & Java fell like they are getting in the way.
Persoanlly, I love ruby but that might just be me.
Thanks for letting me know about these unpredictable events, I mean it's truly shocking in this day and age we cannot predict eclipses.
/. news for joe public posted by incompetent admins (sign)
Tell me, will this momentus event be preceeded by a sunset and folowed by a sunrise?
(sign)
There is no way I'll ever join a union.
I was forced into a closed shop when I was a teenager, never will I be a part of that again.
I'm all for a more equitable share of money but you don't get that with a union. All union does if give my money to somebody else who in return tells me I have to stop work!
I think the world needs a radical shake up in the labour market but it will not happen because people unionise. I doubt it will happen in the next fifty years. It will only happen when people grasp the idea of us all being one.
It depends but there is such thing as bit compatability. The old p-system had it as does the samlltalk squeak. Some Lisp variants and I think Ruby.
But for the original poster java would be an okish choice, yes it's a crappy langugage but it's a common crappy language.
Nice that you advertise you've applied for patents, global indeed.
What are you trying to patent?
I was not involved but the story is more of VC stupidity than anything desktop.com did wrong.
If you get away from the fact that it wasn't open the idea was actually pretty sound and given the increase in bandwidth it probably would have done very well.
My understanding was the VC withdrew the money from the company after giving it to them! The VC thought they had a better deal elsewhere. Without the money the company folded.
Lisp = Pot
Both can calm the savage programmer.
I have to use a language that doesn't even have recursion much less OO! I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. Any interesting startups in the East Bay using Ruby/Lisp?
You can use a cookie or you can have security, which do you want?
Identity 2.0 it's nearly been blogged to death.
/. news for the lazy and ignorant
Take a look at this really cool presentation, even if you find the subject matter boring the presentation is sharp, http://www.identity20.com/media/OSCON2005/
So?
Some people are not all people.
'Some people die...'
Sorry to burst your bubble but we all die, life is a terminal illness, nobody gets out of here alive etc.
There are two problems with your suggestion:-
Firstly, we don't have a spiffy swinging whip thing
Secondly, we don't have a spiffy swinging whip thing
Now technically that is only one thing but, it was so stupid I thought it deserved saying twice.
So for you the service would be unworkable, big deal.
Now for me a remotely administered environment would be ideal. VNC to my desktop over my broadband and I'd be happy. Here's my $20 per month subscription fee. I'll supply my local terminal and everything will be hunky dory.
I no longer need to perform upgrades, maintain my security, perform backups etc.
I could concentrate on writing code not administrating my machine.
In the current climate of fear and lothing in the US you'd be shot so fast it'd make your heart stop :-)
JMP & CAB are OK but GOTO is an invalid opcode
Once again Heinlein demonstrates what a stupid muppet he was.
Let me introduce messers Smith & Wesson.
What's your startup doing?
If software, what language?
I live in the area and am nosey as to what startups are up to these days.
LispFanBoy * YAWN *
Bingo.
:-)
It really helps capture the result of a design meeting. It also nails snivelling shits who try to claim they did or did not suggest something