I'm working in the US and have seen all of the listed items sacraficed for work. I'm not sure the individuals/teams involved were aware of the consequences at the time but afterwards it was all to apparent.
I do not own a TV!
The 2004 election was strange in a number of ways but I don't believe it demonstrated anything about family values.
The baker still works seven days a week. The chinese place is 12 hour days. The plumber still works. The guy in his mid 40's only gets 5 hours sleep.
I think all of these folks subscribe to the american work ethic. They also illustrate how it's very hard to earn enough money to be financially independent.
PS. I avoided all the snide comments in your post , given your post it is obvious you missed the point of my post.
Having worked both in Europe, not France, and the US for many years I know I was more productive under a system that allowed me time to re-charge.
The US may have me in the office longer but I feel I actually do less work. I cannot even take time unpaid time off, which I would gladly do.
In Europe I felt everybody was on the same page. We go to work to provide ourselves with quality leisure time and a nice life style.
In the US it would seem you go to work because nothing else matters. Marriage, health, sanity etc etc are all less important than having a job.
Of course, if you look at the widening gap between the rich and everybody else in the US it would seem that no matter how hard you work you're financial status in life was set when you were born.
I think, that while the above is a commendable aim for victory it is rather too much to achieve.
Attaining peace on the streets. Just how is the US military going to achieve this. The current tactic seems to be by wiping out everyone not just the insurgents. Is this going to work long term?
Iraqi Police and security forces. What strength must these forces be at to protect their own people? 180,000? What level of corruption will be acceptable?
Helping establish a goverment for the people, by the poeple and of the people? Noble aim, not to sure the current US favoured candidate / constitution is the correct one to fulfil this aim. Interesting to see what the US will do if a radical leader is elected who asks the US to leave?
To my eye the US is involved in a conflict from which it can never claim victory.
The US is still not speaking clearly as to why they invaded, the offical line has changed more than once.
The commander in chief has had a victory speech, but still the fighting goes on.
The US public is severly devided on the need for this war.
The US military is being stretched to deal with this war. Is the draft coming, the goverment says no but the draft infrastructure is being readied.
The level of ignorance and paranoia in the US is sickening. The amount of civil liberties being curtailed far out weighs the threat from terrorism. Those that would give up liberty for safety deserve neither safey nor liberty, how true those words ring.
The US actively supports terrorism, training Osama and supplying Hussain are but two examples. Freedom fighter = Terrorist, simplistic but reasonably accurate.
So instead of Saddam the Saudis pay the money, this is an improvement how?
Now some down sides of our invasions. Increased terrorism, Spain, UK, Thailand etc. Increased burden on the tax payer, both for the military and the homeland dept. Restricitng civil liberties, held without trial, transferred to countries which allow torture. Decreasing religous tolerance. Also, unless Iraq is transformed into a modern utopia I fear we are breeding terrorists for the next couple of centuries, look to Ireland as an example.
As for the question of why take out Saddam then. The first reason was that the US could with little fear of direct reprisal, the Us pretty much new he had no WMDs or any means to hit the US. Secondly, and I feel this is the greater reason, Saddam was beginning to ask for payment of oil in euros. If he had been able to stop accepting dollars and start accepting euros then the US deficit would have soared.
You do realise who Hans Blix was and you have read his comments about inspections, WMD and the invasion?
Hussein was far from the worst tyrant the US has sold arms to, trained troops for and supported. A better question would be why was Hussain taken care of when he was?
Can you really say the world is a better place since the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
All of the above does nothing to address the question of legality? Let's be honest, whatever the goverment of the US does will be considered legal, there is no court which can touch the people invlolved.
we had the power off button, safety feature in case of a coolant leak. Great fun when half way through the days trading some dofus hit it. How fast can you bring up a machine that uses punch cards and reel to reel tape to loading the firmware to the disk drives so that we can then take the 15mins to ipl:-) All the while the dealers were watching the boards to see how much money they were losing/gaining:-)
softcopies of your books, would take some organising:-) Print on demand of Project Gutenberg.
Community bookshare sort of like netflix/netbooks but controlled from the library. People give you there lists and you use the library as the exchange point.
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But we could afford VT100 terminals, modems and dial up accounts!
Snape is not evil :-)
Just like the XBOX
I'm working in the US and have seen all of the listed items sacraficed for work. I'm not sure the individuals/teams involved were aware of the consequences at the time but afterwards it was all to apparent.
I do not own a TV!
The 2004 election was strange in a number of ways but I don't believe it demonstrated anything about family values.
So :-
The baker still works seven days a week.
The chinese place is 12 hour days.
The plumber still works.
The guy in his mid 40's only gets 5 hours sleep.
I think all of these folks subscribe to the american work ethic. They also illustrate how it's very hard to earn enough money to be financially independent.
PS. I avoided all the snide comments in your post , given your post it is obvious you missed the point of my post.
They were.
Having worked both in Europe, not France, and the US for many years I know I was more productive under a system that allowed me time to re-charge.
The US may have me in the office longer but I feel I actually do less work. I cannot even take time unpaid time off, which I would gladly do.
In Europe I felt everybody was on the same page. We go to work to provide ourselves with quality leisure time and a nice life style.
In the US it would seem you go to work because nothing else matters. Marriage, health, sanity etc etc are all less important than having a job.
Of course, if you look at the widening gap between the rich and everybody else in the US it would seem that no matter how hard you work you're financial status in life was set when you were born.
In my neighbourhood teachers and students are not allowed to have 'relations'.
Lectoid is a potty mouth!
Wheres hould we go?
All the other I've tried are equally as bad.
Go away and read.
/. This type of question is great, it usually means I'll go off and read up on this stuff.
I hate the drivel question asked on
Turing complete?
Linus for sure
I think, that while the above is a commendable aim for victory it is rather too much to achieve.
Attaining peace on the streets. Just how is the US military going to achieve this. The current tactic seems to be by wiping out everyone not just the insurgents. Is this going to work long term?
Iraqi Police and security forces. What strength must these forces be at to protect their own people? 180,000? What level of corruption will be acceptable?
Helping establish a goverment for the people, by the poeple and of the people? Noble aim, not to sure the current US favoured candidate / constitution is the correct one to fulfil this aim. Interesting to see what the US will do if a radical leader is elected who asks the US to leave?
To my eye the US is involved in a conflict from which it can never claim victory.
The US is still not speaking clearly as to why they invaded, the offical line has changed more than once.
The commander in chief has had a victory speech, but still the fighting goes on.
The US public is severly devided on the need for this war.
The US military is being stretched to deal with this war. Is the draft coming, the goverment says no but the draft infrastructure is being readied.
The level of ignorance and paranoia in the US is sickening. The amount of civil liberties being curtailed far out weighs the threat from terrorism. Those that would give up liberty for safety deserve neither safey nor liberty, how true those words ring.
The US actively supports terrorism, training Osama and supplying Hussain are but two examples. Freedom fighter = Terrorist, simplistic but reasonably accurate.
So instead of Saddam the Saudis pay the money, this is an improvement how?
Now some down sides of our invasions. Increased terrorism, Spain, UK, Thailand etc. Increased burden on the tax payer, both for the military and the homeland dept. Restricitng civil liberties, held without trial, transferred to countries which allow torture. Decreasing religous tolerance. Also, unless Iraq is transformed into a modern utopia I fear we are breeding terrorists for the next couple of centuries, look to Ireland as an example.
As for the question of why take out Saddam then. The first reason was that the US could with little fear of direct reprisal, the Us pretty much new he had no WMDs or any means to hit the US. Secondly, and I feel this is the greater reason, Saddam was beginning to ask for payment of oil in euros. If he had been able to stop accepting dollars and start accepting euros then the US deficit would have soared.
'VICTORY, NO MATTER THE MEASURE!'
Define Victory in the current context of the Iraq conflict for the US military?
You do realise who Hans Blix was and you have read his comments about inspections, WMD and the invasion?
Hussein was far from the worst tyrant the US has sold arms to, trained troops for and supported. A better question would be why was Hussain taken care of when he was?
Can you really say the world is a better place since the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
All of the above does nothing to address the question of legality? Let's be honest, whatever the goverment of the US does will be considered legal, there is no court which can touch the people invlolved.
Yep,
:-) All the while the dealers were watching the boards to see how much money they were losing/gaining :-)
we had the power off button, safety feature in case of a coolant leak. Great fun when half way through the days trading some dofus hit it. How fast can you bring up a machine that uses punch cards and reel to reel tape to loading the firmware to the disk drives so that we can then take the 15mins to ipl
Hush!
Hi,
:-) Print on demand of Project Gutenberg.
softcopies of your books, would take some organising
Community bookshare sort of like netflix/netbooks but controlled from the library. People give you there lists and you use the library as the exchange point.
I think you meant to say SmallTalk?
Come on own up, how much did you get?
If it's so frigging easy and obvious. When can we expect you to deliver a link to the OCR document?
The mob still runs things, just they've become a lot better at not being caught.
Except Solaris is now also Open Source. So if Sun dies Open Solaris keeps right on ticking.
Still prefer Debian to just about anything else.
Nothing wrong with Java itself as long as you accept it's COBOL for the year 2000.