Macs? Wouldn't that integrated monitor take up a lot of space? Boy... Think of the deskspace that would take up! No thanks!! I'll stick with a nice rackmount Alpha!!!:-)
I just signed and I just want to remind people that Linux is not a x86 only kernel. I personally run it on Alpha. Some people run it on SPARC, PowerPC, etc. While a binary only application for Linux x86 would be helpful to some, but not all. So be sure to specify what platform.
I think this deserves a entirely new project! Distributed.net is about cracking codes and Seti is about listening for alien transmissions that we don't even know exist... I think listing for the mars lander should get a project of it's own. Who knows, your system might actually be the one that finds it. Just think of the bragging rights to that: "yep, I found the mars lander when NASA couldn't." While distributed.net and seti are good causes, finding the mars lander should be at the top of the list. After all we know it's there, just don't know if it is still intact. I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one would like to know exactly what happened to the darn thing. Did it make it there ok? Did it completely miss? Did it go down in a big fireball and leave a nice mess for us to clean up some day?
So I say it should get a whole project to itself and hopefully some day in the not to distant future we'll find out what happened.
This is so cool! I have waited quite a while for some of these games. I can hardly believe we are actually getting them. Although I have one question: Will they be available for Alpha Linux or just x86 Linux? Anyone know? Thanks!
First: I visited that site and there are NO 21264's! The fastest they have listed was a 600MHz 21164. A 500MHz 21264 is the same as a 1GHz 21164 (assuming someone had a 21164 that was clocked that high), but as I said there are no 21264's... Perhaps you should read all of the results before commenting that ANY single processor is faster then a single processor 21264!! (sorry for the ranting;-)
Second: The GNU C, C++, and fortrain compilers are VERY unoptimized on Alpha comparied to x86. I suggest you use the Tru64 UNIX compilers to compile the benchmark app and run it on a 21264 (whatever speed, 500MHz+) and see how much faster it really is.
Using WHAT tests? I am having a VERY hard time believing a OC'ed 400A beats a 767MHz 21264! Also, a LOT of the speed problems on Alpha come from the compiler not optimizing very well or at all. Now that Compaq has released their Fortran and C compilers (and C++ soon) things will change quickly! Ohh, and AFAIK you CANNOT compile code as 32-bit binaries on Alpha Linux, you can on Tru64 UNIX and run it on Alpha Linux, but you cannot compile a 32-bit binary on Alpha Linux!
I always end up with the monitor that wont work "out of the box" in X. For example my main workstation (an Alpha) has a 20" IBM P200 monitor. I tried all of the default settings but none of them work. I also tried a couple of the GUI based configurators but they don't work very well either. I always end up using xf86config. This seems to be the best out of the bunch IMO. With xf86config I can enter ALL of the settings by hand. Then all I have to do is edit '/etc/X11/XF86Config' and disable all but 32bpp mode. After that X works nicely. YMMV.
What are the chances of getting Debian GNU/Linux released more frequently? Currently the releases happen about every 14 months or so. Is there anyway to speed it up so that it is say, every 6 months with minor bug/security releases to stay at it's usual speediness?
This just figures! I quit supporting/liking Intel products several years ago. Intel does very little R&D, instead they copy everyone elses technology. I'm for compititon, but when they specifically copy a product to rip off someone else (i.e. DEC's Alpha) they should hang! This patent bit is getting WAY out of hand, I think we need to stop this and soon. - Or maybe start our own country with RMS as president? - Just kidding!;-)
Actually you can get Alpha's with 28GB of RAM and I think one of them supports 32GB... Linux on Alpha only supports 2GB, but there is a patch that allows 4GB. There is another patch, that I haven't heard of anyone actually trying, that allows 8GB of RAM. Try searching dejanews or the Red Hat axp-list archives.
I don't mean to piss all over your parade, well actually I do:p
First, Linus does most of His work on Alpha AFAIK, and it's a 21264 too! The Alpha port closely follows the x86 code.
Second, all of the non-x86 ports are NOT 'niche' projects. The Alpha, PPC, and SPARC ports have active developers! Each are included in the main kenrel source.
Third, having been on several of the NetBSD lists I would have to say NetBSD is a 'niche' project.
Fourth, I believe He meant VA and the rest of the bunch only have INTEL x86 chips! Have a look, I don't see any AMD, Cryix chips anywhere...
rbf, who is typing this on an Alpha running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 with Linux 2.2.13.
Well coffee or tea is always good, the more the marrier! Geeky clothes, this is a must for those who only change clothes when they go to ALS, LW, etc. I like some of the shirts available from Computer Gear. The "Dilbert Network" shirt is nice. "Any Idiot," "Stupid Computer," "Never Far," are all nice. "Resistance is futile" and "Man Pad" are funny! I really like the "UNIX" shirt, might have to ask for that one..
brought to you by rbf, who is using his trusty Alpha running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 with kernel 2.2.13.
Cool. I'm gonna patent sneezing. Then I'm gonna patent the idea of wiping your butt! Then we'll see how they feel about the rest of those stuipid patents!
Seriouslly now, what do these idiots think they are actually solving with patents?
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I asked a question, what part of that is being toll?
Macs? Wouldn't that integrated monitor take up a lot of space? Boy... Think of the deskspace that would take up! No thanks!! I'll stick with a nice rackmount Alpha!!! :-)
LONG LIVE ALPHA LINUX
I just signed and I just want to remind people that Linux is not a x86 only kernel. I personally run it on Alpha. Some people run it on SPARC, PowerPC, etc. While a binary only application for Linux x86 would be helpful to some, but not all. So be sure to specify what platform.
I think this deserves a entirely new project! Distributed.net is about cracking codes and Seti is about listening for alien transmissions that we don't even know exist... I think listing for the mars lander should get a project of it's own. Who knows, your system might actually be the one that finds it. Just think of the bragging rights to that: "yep, I found the mars lander when NASA couldn't." While distributed.net and seti are good causes, finding the mars lander should be at the top of the list. After all we know it's there, just don't know if it is still intact. I don't know about the rest of you, but I for one would like to know exactly what happened to the darn thing. Did it make it there ok? Did it completely miss? Did it go down in a big fireball and leave a nice mess for us to clean up some day?
So I say it should get a whole project to itself and hopefully some day in the not to distant future we'll find out what happened.
rbf, Alpha Linux powered and proud of it!
This is so cool! I have waited quite a while for some of these games. I can hardly believe we are actually getting them.
Although I have one question: Will they be available for Alpha Linux or just x86 Linux? Anyone know? Thanks!
LONG LIVE ALPHA LINUX!!!
First: ;-)
I visited that site and there are NO 21264's! The fastest they have listed was a 600MHz 21164. A 500MHz 21264 is the same as a 1GHz 21164 (assuming someone had a 21164 that was clocked that high), but as I said there are no 21264's... Perhaps you should read all of the results before commenting that ANY single processor is faster then a single processor 21264!! (sorry for the ranting
Second:
The GNU C, C++, and fortrain compilers are VERY unoptimized on Alpha comparied to x86. I suggest you use the Tru64 UNIX compilers to compile the benchmark app and run it on a 21264 (whatever speed, 500MHz+) and see how much faster it really is.
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
Using WHAT tests? I am having a VERY hard time believing a OC'ed 400A beats a 767MHz 21264! Also, a LOT of the speed problems on Alpha come from the compiler not optimizing very well or at all. Now that Compaq has released their Fortran and C compilers (and C++ soon) things will change quickly! Ohh, and AFAIK you CANNOT compile code as 32-bit binaries on Alpha Linux, you can on Tru64 UNIX and run it on Alpha Linux, but you cannot compile a 32-bit binary on Alpha Linux!
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
It's good to see Compaq finally starting some pro Alpha marketing!! Keep it coming!!!
Please anwser these however you see fit:
Where do you see Linux 5 years from now?
Where do you see Compaq's Alpha platform, running Linux or not, 5 years from now?
Where do you see Compaq 5 years from now?
Do you think HURD will have any effect on Linux 5 years from now?
Thanks!
until they fix those nasty bugs and release a version for us Alpha Linux users! Then I'll buy as many copies as I can afford/have machines for..
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
Does anyone know if there will be versions for non-x86 systems? Specifically Alpha?
Thanks!
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
It seems to have started about the same time Andover bought them, althought I'd hate to think that's the reason..
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
The current OS strategy makes perfect sense:
Windows (98/NT): x86 systems
Tru64 UNIX: Medium to High end Alpha's
OpenVMS: Very High end Alpha's
Linux: low end Alpha's
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
I always end up with the monitor that wont work "out of the box" in X. For example my main workstation (an Alpha) has a 20" IBM P200 monitor. I tried all of the default settings but none of them work. I also tried a couple of the GUI based configurators but they don't work very well either. I always end up using xf86config. This seems to be the best out of the bunch IMO. With xf86config I can enter ALL of the settings by hand. Then all I have to do is edit '/etc/X11/XF86Config' and disable all but 32bpp mode. After that X works nicely. YMMV.
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
Before your wife kills you can I have your Alpha? :-)
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
What role did she play in Young Frankenstein? I had a look at CNN's article, but her picture doesn't ring a bell..
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
I don't know if it is available for slink?!? I'm running potato on my Alpha and it works fine with '-C'...
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
What are the chances of getting Debian GNU/Linux released more frequently? Currently the releases happen about every 14 months or so. Is there anyway to speed it up so that it is say, every 6 months with minor bug/security releases to stay at it's usual speediness?
This just figures! I quit supporting/liking Intel products several years ago. Intel does very little R&D, instead they copy everyone elses technology. I'm for compititon, but when they specifically copy a product to rip off someone else (i.e. DEC's Alpha) they should hang! This patent bit is getting WAY out of hand, I think we need to stop this and soon. - Or maybe start our own country with RMS as president? - Just kidding! ;-)
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
Actually you can get Alpha's with 28GB of RAM and I think one of them supports 32GB... Linux on Alpha only supports 2GB, but there is a patch that allows 4GB. There is another patch, that I haven't heard of anyone actually trying, that allows 8GB of RAM. Try searching dejanews or the Red Hat axp-list archives.
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
I don't mean to piss all over your parade, well actually I do :p
First, Linus does most of His work on Alpha AFAIK, and it's a 21264 too! The Alpha port closely follows the x86 code.
Second, all of the non-x86 ports are NOT 'niche' projects. The Alpha, PPC, and SPARC ports have active developers! Each are included in the main kenrel source.
Third, having been on several of the NetBSD lists I would have to say NetBSD is a 'niche' project.
Fourth, I believe He meant VA and the rest of the bunch only have INTEL x86 chips! Have a look, I don't see any AMD, Cryix chips anywhere...
rbf, who is typing this on an Alpha running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 with Linux 2.2.13.
Well coffee or tea is always good, the more the marrier! Geeky clothes, this is a must for those who only change clothes when they go to ALS, LW, etc. I like some of the shirts available from Computer Gear. The "Dilbert Network" shirt is nice. "Any Idiot," "Stupid Computer," "Never Far," are all nice. "Resistance is futile" and "Man Pad" are funny! I really like the "UNIX" shirt, might have to ask for that one..
brought to you by rbf, who is using his trusty Alpha running Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 with kernel 2.2.13.
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
Cool. I'm gonna patent sneezing. Then I'm gonna patent the idea of wiping your butt! Then we'll see how they feel about the rest of those stuipid patents!
Seriouslly now, what do these idiots think they are actually solving with patents?
gzilla? I think it's gonna be the ultimate browser!
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!
This is very strange. Maybe Billy Bob is helping Al run for President? This does remind me of a quote:
"How could this [Y2K Bug] be a problem in a country where we have Intel and Microsoft?" -- Al Gore
I love that quote!
LONG LIVE ALPHA!!!