Remember that updating the portage tree does not automatically update all installed software. The user must still use the emerge command wisely by seeing what ebuilds have been updated, and making a decision based on their needs. Those who run emerge -u world blindly can get into trouble.:)
Yeah, I hear you on that. I kind of learned that the hard way. I'm suprised that they don't have a command to upgrade all packages to the most recent stable ebuild. How hard can it be? I'm not skilled in understanding it all, but as far as I know, all you need is a script to list all of the packages in/var/db/pkg/, then upgrade them if there are upgrades available. If gcc or glibc or glib has been updated, then they probably have to recompile everything, no matter what. I could be wrong, though. The experts should know for sure. I don't understand what is holding them back.
I don't think that everyone should make use of this script, but it would be a good option.
There's no mention in the article of a downside. These things *always* have a downside. Anyone know what it is?
That's a good question. I don't know the answer, but maybe the catch is in finding a good way to grind up enough iron. I figure that it would take a whole lot of it to cover up the mistakes that people have made. Iron is a natural resource like trees. Trees take a long time to grow back. If we aren't careful with our iron management, then how will we gather up all this rust for new products?
1 thing that I hope that they add is the abiblity to not update the entire portage tree. Otherwise, we are forced to download way too much data that we may never use, when all we want to do is update the packages that we have already.
Yeah, I just realized after I clicked Submit that Gentoo is a combination of BSD & various other distros/OSes. I feel bad. It's almost as if I didn't read the article that I submitted. On the other hand, it wasn't written in the article that I submitted, so my memory lapse may be somewhat excusable.
1 of the things that I like about portage is the ease of use. You don't have to find dependencies. Nor do you have to find the web sites that host these packages. If you can find a place that's closer than the defaults, then you'll have the option of getting packages from there.
I think that these general advantages should be available all across the board for all OSes, unless of course there are specific needs for specific alternatives.
I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. I'm just sharing my own likes & dislikes.
Why not click on over to Pizza Hut And order this nice guy a pizza?
Because you are costing Pizza Hut money as well. That's not fair. You'd be bending too far to the spammers' level. In fact, you'd be worse. After all, @ least with some spam, their are legitimate products & services, but with this, there is no hope of profit @ all.
Based on what you said, I'll just assume that there is no way of identifying newbies, or it is besides the point. All I know is that I'm fairly aware of what kind of spam is out there, & I try to avoid it. Even if I could avoid it, I'd still like to make sure that I don't have to deal with any of your white spam, even @ the server level.
But instead of arguing, maybe an idea to help you along, would be better.
Why don't you approach a few email providers [ie: Yahoo!; Hotmail; etc.], & suggest to them that they provide a link in supper large letters @ the top of each page saying, "Click here if you are using email for the 1st time!!!". After clicking the link, the the page reloads, the link never to reappear again, & a bunch of fake spam mysteriously appears in their inbox. Experienced users could select all of it & delete it, before reading it.
Another approach is to just have the fake spam sent to every new inbox. @ the top will be the standard welcoming email, that also explains spam. Underneath it will be about 24 fake spams to catch their attention. If the user doesn't read the welcome email, & he is new to email, he will probably open them up, since they are addressed to him. If he opens any of them up, he will see the standard sales pitches seen in standard spams. If he clicks on any of the links, then he will be directed to an anti-spam site.
To really reinforce the issue, some of the fake spam should contain some scantily clad women in somewhat sensual poses; nothing graphic, so as to not offend completely.
If I got email like that, I would just delete it, but I would have to sort through it with whatever technology/technique that I use.
The people that are purchasing stuff are the 1s who are new to the Internet. I don't see how your ideas would reach them in time to put a stop to spam. There are new people on the Internet every day. You'd have to target those people, not us. Your idea punishes the wrong people.
Your Honor, the advertisement said to call that number for more information, so I did.
Or they could say something like, "Your Honour, the advertisement said to call that number for more information, so I called to see if I could get more information than I got from the 1st call. The advertisement gave no rules about how often we are allowed to call, nor did it give any information about how much more information the 1-800 number would give.".
I know this is kinda like saying "It's your fault you got robbed cause you don't lock your doors," but there is some amount of common sense that needs to be applied.
I agree. I view the Internet as a gated city. If you leave your doors open, & someone comes in & robs me, then you are to blame as well. Obviously, we're not going to raise a stink when something happens for the 1st time, & it is a new concept; but something should be done eventually.
The interesting thing is that the maintainer of the open proxy or whatever, should find that after repairs, he should also have less spam. So bringing this to his attention should improve his life directly as well.
If the only bad result of a filter was that a few "innocent" people who don't know what they're doing, and made things easier for spammers, got DOSsed, I'd have no problem with that at all.
I agree. Anything that puts responsibility on the people who ought to know better is a good thing.
The mortgage brokers pay $10-50 for these lists of name, if the lists were filled with automated junk information the value to the mortgage brokers would quickly drop to zero and this type of spam would drop to zero.
Why would it have to be junk information? I suppose that there are legal ramifications, but they should try to get it as real looking as possible, so that when the mortgage companies follow up on the lead, time is wasted, & the company gets a bad name. Think about what kind of a reputation they would get if they identified themselves & kept looking for people that weren't there. In short, the only thing that has to be real is the phone number.
That's interesting that you should say that. I don't understand where people seem to be getting my email address. Just a few minutes ago, I replied to this guy asking for help with Linux. I get the impression that he saw my email address in a LUG mailing list or newsgroup. This has happened before. But if you say that the addresses are deleted, then I'll trust you on the matter. I'll still use a disposable address, as has been strongly advised by everybody.
Is it possible to get email addresses removed from headers of archived email?
I for one have less trouble telling three fanciful nicknames apart than three Johns, Lindas or Daves
That's an interesting justification of real names. I guess I picture the Internet as a series of phones connected in 1 of those voice chat rooms. Since there is no practical way for the average Joe to identity the speaker, then it may not be very useful to give out real names unless there is a real need for it. As you might have already guessed, I bought into the real name thing pretty early on. Thanks for giving me some 2nd thoughts.
I've only been on the internet for 6 or 7 or so years so what do I know
I've looked over the web site, & it seems that they've changed things since I was last there. It all looks good.
My only complaints are that I can't get back the email addresses that I gave away in previous messages when I was new to the Internet, & that most of my other spam will come to my semi-disposable mailing list address. In other words, I'm already filtering messages for only threads that interest me, so it isn't actually that much more work to skim past the spam.
I've already got a semi-diposable address. I was hoping to salvage the 1 that I used @ the beginning. If I understand correctly, once you post to news groups, the message is there forever.
I thought that you were replying to the other message. I appreciate the info.
Your headers still reveal your IP of course.
I'm glad that you brought that up. I use a web interface to email, so commenting in newsgroups with the same interface should protect me. I appreciate the warning so that I don't fall into the same trap again.
Besides if you could post without an address then spammers would spam the newsgroups more.
That's an interesting point that I never thought of.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding the bogus address.
I was actually referring to getting that original email address off the spammers' lists. It's kind of late for that 1, but it's not too late to start protecting new 1s.
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I don't think that everyone should make use of this script, but it would be a good option.
1 thing that I hope that they add is the abiblity to not update the entire portage tree. Otherwise, we are forced to download way too much data that we may never use, when all we want to do is update the packages that we have already.
Yeah, I just realized after I clicked Submit that Gentoo is a combination of BSD & various other distros/OSes. I feel bad. It's almost as if I didn't read the article that I submitted. On the other hand, it wasn't written in the article that I submitted, so my memory lapse may be somewhat excusable.
1 of the things that I like about portage is the ease of use. You don't have to find dependencies. Nor do you have to find the web sites that host these packages. If you can find a place that's closer than the defaults, then you'll have the option of getting packages from there.
I think that these general advantages should be available all across the board for all OSes, unless of course there are specific needs for specific alternatives.
I'm not trying to start a flame war or anything. I'm just sharing my own likes & dislikes.
And to combine yours with the do-loop...
while [ true ] ; wget -r -nd --delete-after http://www.thebulkclub.com/; done
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There's nothing more humourous & pathetic than watching /.ers argue over spelling. It's not as if their gud adit. Lukit me. I cam't spel an. punktuate
It's like watching them talk about dating. Sheesh!
Based on what you said, I'll just assume that there is no way of identifying newbies, or it is besides the point. All I know is that I'm fairly aware of what kind of spam is out there, & I try to avoid it. Even if I could avoid it, I'd still like to make sure that I don't have to deal with any of your white spam, even @ the server level.
But instead of arguing, maybe an idea to help you along, would be better.
Why don't you approach a few email providers [ie: Yahoo!; Hotmail; etc.], & suggest to them that they provide a link in supper large letters @ the top of each page saying, "Click here if you are using email for the 1st time!!!". After clicking the link, the the page reloads, the link never to reappear again, & a bunch of fake spam mysteriously appears in their inbox. Experienced users could select all of it & delete it, before reading it.
Another approach is to just have the fake spam sent to every new inbox. @ the top will be the standard welcoming email, that also explains spam. Underneath it will be about 24 fake spams to catch their attention. If the user doesn't read the welcome email, & he is new to email, he will probably open them up, since they are addressed to him. If he opens any of them up, he will see the standard sales pitches seen in standard spams. If he clicks on any of the links, then he will be directed to an anti-spam site.
To really reinforce the issue, some of the fake spam should contain some scantily clad women in somewhat sensual poses; nothing graphic, so as to not offend completely.
If you wrote up a web page about it, then submit a story, then you'd probably get more attention that your idea deserves.
If I got email like that, I would just delete it, but I would have to sort through it with whatever technology/technique that I use.
The people that are purchasing stuff are the 1s who are new to the Internet. I don't see how your ideas would reach them in time to put a stop to spam. There are new people on the Internet every day. You'd have to target those people, not us. Your idea punishes the wrong people.
The interesting thing is that the maintainer of the open proxy or whatever, should find that after repairs, he should also have less spam. So bringing this to his attention should improve his life directly as well.
That's interesting that you should say that. I don't understand where people seem to be getting my email address. Just a few minutes ago, I replied to this guy asking for help with Linux. I get the impression that he saw my email address in a LUG mailing list or newsgroup. This has happened before. But if you say that the addresses are deleted, then I'll trust you on the matter. I'll still use a disposable address, as has been strongly advised by everybody.
Is it possible to get email addresses removed from headers of archived email?
I agree. I use GNU/Linux instead. GNU/Linux can do everything that Linux can do, but better.
I've looked over the web site, & it seems that they've changed things since I was last there. It all looks good.
My only complaints are that I can't get back the email addresses that I gave away in previous messages when I was new to the Internet, & that most of my other spam will come to my semi-disposable mailing list address. In other words, I'm already filtering messages for only threads that interest me, so it isn't actually that much more work to skim past the spam.
I appreciate the suggestion, none the less.
I've already got a semi-diposable address. I was hoping to salvage the 1 that I used @ the beginning. If I understand correctly, once you post to news groups, the message is there forever.
Thanks for the comment.
I thought that you were replying to the other message. I appreciate the info.I'm glad that you brought that up. I use a web interface to email, so commenting in newsgroups with the same interface should protect me. I appreciate the warning so that I don't fall into the same trap again.
Thanks.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding the bogus address.
I was actually referring to getting that original email address off the spammers' lists. It's kind of late for that 1, but it's not too late to start protecting new 1s.