I decided a while back that anything that I say will, unfortunatly, get someone rilled up. That's really too bad, they could get some sort of perspective by listening to others instead of getting offended. I certainly applaud your handling of the opinions written here.
That's a very good point. I wish that people would spend more time asking the person what they are saying, and rephrasing it, or at least showing what the listener believes the speaker is trying to say. That's the problem with/. People usually respond as, "That's stupid and wrong. I am rational and right. Here is why.". Very foolish method of communication.
Thanks. I appreciate your reaction. I was wondering if you would go off topic or turn this into a heated debate. You're probably the nicest guy that I have ever disagreed with.
I have to look at things in about the same sense as a businessman.
You mean that you have to take the most logical choice, with the best economical results? If that's what you mean, I understand. You shouldn't go off half cocked, and jumping to conclusions.
Anecdotal evidence is not good enough for me. Personal bias, miscommunications, etc happen far too often when one person takes down the events of the day, then pass it along.
You should be careful with what you say. Most people don't believe that their most sacred scriptures are anecdotal evidence. Christians believe that they are getting the goods from the eye witnesses, and people who really lived in the time period. It is beyond dispute that the Bible comes from the time period. It's just a matter of whether the authors were lying or foolish lunatics. Whether or not you agree with any of this paragraph, it would be wise to be careful with your words in this type of a context. In other contexts, where it can be proven that what you said is true, then it should be okay.
I do appreciate your input and respect your willingness to thoughtfully backup your beliefs. That alone, in my book, makes a person good.
Thanks. I appreciate the time that you put into replying and even starting this discussion.
I believe that Matthew was writing from a legal stand point. In other words, he was trying to give his gospel a legal flavour. He was, after all, a tax collector, and his gospel often explained how Jesus Christ fulfilled Jewish prophesy. Whether or not Jesus Christ fulfilled Jewish prophesy is a different discussion. My point is that Matthew had that type of a goal for his readers.
Luke, was a doctor, and he was much more technical in his words. Therefore, he would tell the story from a different view point. In fact, he only had one reader in mind, Theophilus, when wrote his gospel. Theophilus had heard many details about Jesus Christ, and Luke was trying to tie it together with some technical info that was relavent to Theophilus.
To elaborate on this a little, Matthew described things from the centurian's perspective, and neglected to tell the details about the carriers of the message. If I tell people that I am communicating with you, I don't have to tell them the tcp/ip aspects of the communication, or what hardware I am using. This is just like Matthew. He tells the story as if the carriers of the message are just an assumed detail, or irrelavent detail, because Matthew's culture doesn't care to know about these things. If Matthew gave all of the details, his readers may begin to say in their own words, "What's your point? What's the difference? It's the centurian's message that's relavent. Just cut to the chase!". Even today, we have similar story telling methods. On CNN, we hear about America at War. What? Both North and South America are at war? Oh, you mean just the US? But how does the entire country just pick up and go to Afganistan? Oh, you mean just the US in general as a group, but not all of the US population and physical country? Oh, okay. Yeah, I see now.:^)
However, Luke was writting from a more technical standpoint, and didn't hesitate to draw attention to how the message was carried. I believe that Luke was trying to describe a man who had a cool, logical head about him, and had just learned about who Jesus Christ was, and was willing to act on the information.
Matthew wanted to describe how Jesus Christ felt about this type of a person. Matthew tends to give more details about what Jesus Christ said. I'm willing to bet that Matthew was telling the story from the perspective of what the centurian was seeing and hearing.
Luke wanted to describe how the centurian acted, in the context of his Jewish influences. Luke tends to give more details about what the centurian and the messengers said. I'm willing to bet that Luke was telling the story from the perspective of what Jesus Christ and his following crowd was seeing and hearing.
I hope that helps to explain a few things. I don't expect that it helps much. I only wanted to show that there is an alternative to the average Christian response.
If you believe every word of the bible is literally true, then how can you believe that every word of the Bible is true?
You have a point, I think. Just to be sure that I understand you, you are asking, "Are you sure that there are no figures of speech in the Bible?". If so, I would claim that there are figures of speech in the Bible. When many Christians say that the Bible is 100% true, or that they believe that it is 100% accurate, they probably mean that when you factor in the context, and account for figures of speech then, yes the message is 100% accurate--at least they ought to believe that.
To quote a couple of paraphrased examples in your favour: "the trees of the fields will clap their hands", and "the eye of the Lord runs to and fro throughout the earth". Most Christians, would say that these are actually literally true. But to be actually literally true, the trees of the fields would have to have hands like ours and the Lord's eye ball has to run around on legs. Fortunately, for the Christian, it is better to say that the figures of speech describe things that are 100% true. So, the Christian should be standing up for the intended meaning. It's just that most North Americans are so used to thinking skeptically from a literal stand point, that it is difficult to interpret the text.
Not to sound too redundant, but if Man is flawed, how could he have penned the bible?
Perhaps I misunderstand you. This doesn't sound redundant to me at all. I believe that God can use the resources available to him to produce *exactly* what he wants. The Bible says that he can raise up rocks to be children of Abraham. In that context, Jesus Christ was speaking, and he wasn't speaking figuratively at all. He was trying to be emphatic about the Father's skills. Therefore, I don't believe that it is too great a task for God to use error prone man to create a Bible.
Asside from that, how can you account for the losses in translations?
I don't believe that there are any losses in translations, so I guess I'm free to go now?;^) Seriously, I don't believe that there are any. However, maybe I can answer a slightly different version of the question, or just another question. If my answer doesn't help, then it's no use discussing it, because I don't have much else to say. One could ask, "Why are the gospels so different in describing similar events?". Well, a simple answer, from a non-researched point of view, is that Jesus Christ was around for a long time, and he could have done several similar things in those few years. I believe this to be true about many events in the gospels, but not all/most. I believe that the authors were very different types of people trying to describe similar facts, events, and technologies.
If you will you allow me to digress just for a moment, I try to tie this next example in. In the book of Acts, there is a man described as "the chief man of the island", according to the KJV. The point is that the man wasn't described as the chief, big wig, or the leader. Many non-Christians claimed that this was just a made up fable or whatever. When archelogists found manuscripts describing "the chief man of the island" [in the original language of course], they began to see that the Bible does have some credibility. My point is that the Bible is trying to be a context sensitive compilation of 66 books, as opposed to 1 text book.
Thus, in the gospels, different authors will try to describe the same events, in different ways to make different points. The one about the centurian and his servant is a perfect example of my point. Matthew states, "...there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him...", and "...the centurian answered...". Luke states, "...and when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him...", and "...the centurian sent friends to him, saying unto him...".
I'm going to continue in another post, because I don't want Netscape to crash and loose this entire message. Netscape crashes on me when my messages get too big.
I hope that proffessors would encourage students to use Star Office by allowing them to hand in essays in Star Office format. Perhaps, the students can hand in the essays on disk or as an email attachment?
I think that it would be great if colleges sold CDs with Star Office to make it easier for students who don't want to download the software. The students can pay for the disk and the time that it took to copy the cd. Is $5 asking too much?
Has anybody seen "A Kentucky Fried Movie"? In the movie, there is an fake ad for a company that is harvesting the oil from the faces of teenagers. If we could only do that!;^)
Another thing that I forgot to mention is that you can try to work for Revenue Canada. Entry level positions start at $36k/year. That is in Canadian dollars, obviously, but hey, it's still better than working for $8/hour, and after a year or so of service, you could transfer into other departments.
At Banff, there are a lot of transients, and as a result, they have a high turn over of workers. One day, you may never find a job, and the next day, managers are desperate for someone to fill in. Do a google search on Banff, Alberta and you'll come up with something. Contact the hotels and see what kinds of living arrangements they may have.
Some day, I expect to go there as well.
Are you sure that you aren't just using them?
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I totally understand the difficult situation that you are in. In fact, I ended up giving up the IT career that I had and went into the retail market.
I think that employers want to know how long you want to work for them. When you go in and hand in your resume, do you explain to them that the IT market is not good right now? If you just go in and ask for a job, how will anybody know that you will still be around 3 months from now? How do *you* know that you will stay with the company 3 months from now?
Anyways, my story is that I moved to another city and planned on finding a simple retail job to get me settled in for a year. After that, I intended to find computer work. The reason that I wanted to wait a year, was because finding computer work is hard.
I would ask to speak to the manager, and when I saw him, I would say, "Hi. My name is Eugene, and I am new in town. I'm just looking for some work right now to help me get settled in for about a year. After that, I'd like to get some computer work. Have you got anything available?". This got a me a job the first day that I tried it. In fact, I got 3 interviews and 2 job offers. One was with Grand & Toy [stationary company] and the other was with McDonald's as an assistant manager.
People understand that the.com bubble has burst. Don't afraid to be honest with them, but you have to be honest with yourself.
If a job offer for an IT job comes your way at $50K/year, are you honestly going to stay around flipping burgers or running a cash register? If not, then you can't make promises to them.
I hope that they have a cli version of the interface. I'd be quite disappointed if I had to use the mouse and/or joystick. After all, if you saw a child dart across the road chasing his ball, wouldn't you want to just type in, "killall -9 movement"?
I'm going to miss them quite a lot. I used to type in, "MyFavouritePlaceToTrollOnTheInternetForNerds", instead of just clicking on a bookmark on my personal bar, and then I'd arrive at "www.slashdot.org".
I agree. Typing in "French Tutorial" and going to a specific site might prove useful for people wanting to limit results. In schools, you don't want kids wasting time on the Internet searching for the site that you asked them to find. Not everybody has a creative short name for their url.
This way, you don't need one, if the audience is limited. It could also be seen as a semi-equivalent command line interface to make use of bookmarks. It may actually be easier to type "Fr tutor", short for "French Tutorial", instead of going through countless folders and such to search for your bookmarks.
As long as everybody is aware of its strengths and limitations, then this tool is of value to those who can use it.
Two battery bays allows you to know that something needs to be switched at the same time providing full funtionality.
Oh, okay. I didn't realize that you guys didn't get any warning. With the Nokia 5190, you get a beep when you've got only about a quarter of the power left. It'll repeat over and over again every few minutes. The only time that I've had a connection drop on me was when I forgot to recharge the battery, even with the beep. That was my fault, of course.
I could now see a benefit to having a seperate battery instead of one big one or two in parallel. An idea would be to have two batteries in one battery case. When the first one goes dead, you take it off and leave it in your pocket. When you empty your pockets at the end of the day, you say to yourself, "Oh yeah, I have to recharge this.".
I'm not sure that I would need a feature like this, but it would help some people, based on the battery type and the way that they use the phone.
preferably with 2 battery bays and a switch that allowed you to switch over to the fresh set when one set starts to go dead
You won't need "two battery bays" and switch, because if you had that much room for batteries, then you could just connect your power cells in parallel and not have to switch between the 2.
It would be nice to have solar cells to help compliment the amount of power from the battery. I don't expect that you'll get much power out of the solar cells, but every bit helps.
I usually don't laugh much when I read stuff on the Internet, but this is amazing. I was kind of apprehensive about reading your response, wondering if this was a troll, or something.
realgone, you're right. I think that it should be mantatory for people to interact with the responses so that the community can get a better idea of what they are asking for and what works.
I am on a mailing list, where it is considered rude to not tell everybody what idea worked and what didn't. In this case, it would tell us who is out to just get karma because of submissions, and who has a genuine question.
Note to/. editors: I recommend that you not let people say something along the lines of, "Contact me away from/. because I don't read here.". If that guy reads here, then why bother having us email him a copy of each of our responses?:^) If people respond to him privately, then it doesn't really help with ad revenue, does it?:^) Submitting ideas to him, away from the community, doesn't encourage discussion either.
It's actually worse. It's more like, "We know that there's a certain group of people/characters that don't exist, and fortunately there not doing anything.".:^)
Well, that's exactly what I got out of this. Judging by the number of posts in this submission, I'd say that most people don't care for this kind of news.
Not trying to rant, or complain. Please don't mod me down.
Gary Osbourne, a computer programmer in Vancouver, Canada who stumbled upon the misconfigured site
Wednesday, posted a message at the ICANNwatch.org site about the incident, noting that Prowl and the
Decepticons are characters from the "Transformers" computer games and line of Hasbro toys.
I'm sure that a lot of people are aware of the video game, but more of them should be aware of the comic and show. It would be like saying, "...Prowl and the Decepticons are pictures on a t-shirt that this guy in my city wears". It just seems so out of perspective. No mention of the tv show?? No mention of the comic???
Not trying to rant or troll or anything. It just makes me kind of laugh. That's all.
I took intercultural studies in college and one of the most emphatic things is that you can't look in a text book for this information. You have to do some in depth and time consuming studies.
Look up "ethnography" with google. An ethnography will teach you to see things through their eyes.
I made an ethnography in college in anthropology class, and found it to be a fascinating experience. My ethnography in particular wasn't fascinating, but the other sample copies were.
Simply giving them things is not going to encourage development (assuming that you think development is a good thing).
There's no reason why we would have to give them away for free. You are right in that they should be encouraged to learn "to fish for themselves". They have to buy light sources anyways, so they may as well buy these at a cheaper price. Hopefully these LEDs can be sold at a cheaper price.
A perfect example is Afganistan. As much as some people may not like them, they need the help of the west. Right now, many of them are growing marijuana. If they could get jobs in manufactoring and selling white LEDs, then maybe they would stop growing marijuana.
Okay, I'm being a bit hopeful, but still you can see where I going with the idea.
Yeah, Linux does work without the web browser. I installed emacs the other day, and I was able to remove Netscape, the kernel, bash, all my non-emacs libraries, etc. Emacs is great! It's so good that you don't even need an OS!
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A-a-ah, I see. And here, I thought that you wanted to emphasize the whole thing! :^)
I see that you've become a fan of mine. I'll one of yours. I'm sure that we'll see more of each other around here.
I believe that Matthew was writing from a legal stand point. In other words, he was trying to give his gospel a legal flavour. He was, after all, a tax collector, and his gospel often explained how Jesus Christ fulfilled Jewish prophesy. Whether or not Jesus Christ fulfilled Jewish prophesy is a different discussion. My point is that Matthew had that type of a goal for his readers.
:^)
Luke, was a doctor, and he was much more technical in his words. Therefore, he would tell the story from a different view point. In fact, he only had one reader in mind, Theophilus, when wrote his gospel. Theophilus had heard many details about Jesus Christ, and Luke was trying to tie it together with some technical info that was relavent to Theophilus.
To elaborate on this a little, Matthew described things from the centurian's perspective, and neglected to tell the details about the carriers of the message. If I tell people that I am communicating with you, I don't have to tell them the tcp/ip aspects of the communication, or what hardware I am using. This is just like Matthew. He tells the story as if the carriers of the message are just an assumed detail, or irrelavent detail, because Matthew's culture doesn't care to know about these things. If Matthew gave all of the details, his readers may begin to say in their own words, "What's your point? What's the difference? It's the centurian's message that's relavent. Just cut to the chase!". Even today, we have similar story telling methods. On CNN, we hear about America at War. What? Both North and South America are at war? Oh, you mean just the US? But how does the entire country just pick up and go to Afganistan? Oh, you mean just the US in general as a group, but not all of the US population and physical country? Oh, okay. Yeah, I see now.
However, Luke was writting from a more technical standpoint, and didn't hesitate to draw attention to how the message was carried. I believe that Luke was trying to describe a man who had a cool, logical head about him, and had just learned about who Jesus Christ was, and was willing to act on the information.
Matthew wanted to describe how Jesus Christ felt about this type of a person. Matthew tends to give more details about what Jesus Christ said. I'm willing to bet that Matthew was telling the story from the perspective of what the centurian was seeing and hearing.
Luke wanted to describe how the centurian acted, in the context of his Jewish influences. Luke tends to give more details about what the centurian and the messengers said. I'm willing to bet that Luke was telling the story from the perspective of what Jesus Christ and his following crowd was seeing and hearing.
I hope that helps to explain a few things. I don't expect that it helps much. I only wanted to show that there is an alternative to the average Christian response.
To quote a couple of paraphrased examples in your favour: "the trees of the fields will clap their hands", and "the eye of the Lord runs to and fro throughout the earth". Most Christians, would say that these are actually literally true. But to be actually literally true, the trees of the fields would have to have hands like ours and the Lord's eye ball has to run around on legs. Fortunately, for the Christian, it is better to say that the figures of speech describe things that are 100% true. So, the Christian should be standing up for the intended meaning. It's just that most North Americans are so used to thinking skeptically from a literal stand point, that it is difficult to interpret the text.Perhaps I misunderstand you. This doesn't sound redundant to me at all. I believe that God can use the resources available to him to produce *exactly* what he wants. The Bible says that he can raise up rocks to be children of Abraham. In that context, Jesus Christ was speaking, and he wasn't speaking figuratively at all. He was trying to be emphatic about the Father's skills. Therefore, I don't believe that it is too great a task for God to use error prone man to create a Bible.I don't believe that there are any losses in translations, so I guess I'm free to go now?
If you will you allow me to digress just for a moment, I try to tie this next example in. In the book of Acts, there is a man described as "the chief man of the island", according to the KJV. The point is that the man wasn't described as the chief, big wig, or the leader. Many non-Christians claimed that this was just a made up fable or whatever. When archelogists found manuscripts describing "the chief man of the island" [in the original language of course], they began to see that the Bible does have some credibility. My point is that the Bible is trying to be a context sensitive compilation of 66 books, as opposed to 1 text book.
Thus, in the gospels, different authors will try to describe the same events, in different ways to make different points. The one about the centurian and his servant is a perfect example of my point. Matthew states, "...there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him...", and "...the centurian answered...". Luke states, "...and when he heard of Jesus, he sent unto him the elders of the Jews, beseeching him...", and "...the centurian sent friends to him, saying unto him...".
I'm going to continue in another post, because I don't want Netscape to crash and loose this entire message. Netscape crashes on me when my messages get too big.
I hope that proffessors would encourage students to use Star Office by allowing them to hand in essays in Star Office format. Perhaps, the students can hand in the essays on disk or as an email attachment?
I think that it would be great if colleges sold CDs with Star Office to make it easier for students who don't want to download the software. The students can pay for the disk and the time that it took to copy the cd. Is $5 asking too much?
Has anybody seen "A Kentucky Fried Movie"? In the movie, there is an fake ad for a company that is harvesting the oil from the faces of teenagers. If we could only do that! ;^)
Another thing that I forgot to mention is that you can try to work for Revenue Canada. Entry level positions start at $36k/year. That is in Canadian dollars, obviously, but hey, it's still better than working for $8/hour, and after a year or so of service, you could transfer into other departments.
At Banff, there are a lot of transients, and as a result, they have a high turn over of workers. One day, you may never find a job, and the next day, managers are desperate for someone to fill in. Do a google search on Banff, Alberta and you'll come up with something. Contact the hotels and see what kinds of living arrangements they may have.
Some day, I expect to go there as well.
I totally understand the difficult situation that you are in. In fact, I ended up giving up the IT career that I had and went into the retail market.
.com bubble has burst. Don't afraid to be honest with them, but you have to be honest with yourself.
I think that employers want to know how long you want to work for them. When you go in and hand in your resume, do you explain to them that the IT market is not good right now? If you just go in and ask for a job, how will anybody know that you will still be around 3 months from now? How do *you* know that you will stay with the company 3 months from now?
Anyways, my story is that I moved to another city and planned on finding a simple retail job to get me settled in for a year. After that, I intended to find computer work. The reason that I wanted to wait a year, was because finding computer work is hard.
I would ask to speak to the manager, and when I saw him, I would say, "Hi. My name is Eugene, and I am new in town. I'm just looking for some work right now to help me get settled in for about a year. After that, I'd like to get some computer work. Have you got anything available?". This got a me a job the first day that I tried it. In fact, I got 3 interviews and 2 job offers. One was with Grand & Toy [stationary company] and the other was with McDonald's as an assistant manager.
People understand that the
If a job offer for an IT job comes your way at $50K/year, are you honestly going to stay around flipping burgers or running a cash register? If not, then you can't make promises to them.
That sounds cool.
I should have pointed out, though, that I myself don't know much about this. It's jsut that I wanted to bring this idea to people's attention.
I'm glad that you do want to monitor this entire discussion. It tells me that I misjudged you.
I hope things work out well.
I hope that they have a cli version of the interface. I'd be quite disappointed if I had to use the mouse and/or joystick. After all, if you saw a child dart across the road chasing his ball, wouldn't you want to just type in, "killall -9 movement"?
;^P
I'm going to miss them quite a lot. I used to type in, "MyFavouritePlaceToTrollOnTheInternetForNerds", instead of just clicking on a bookmark on my personal bar, and then I'd arrive at "www.slashdot.org".
;^p
I agree. Typing in "French Tutorial" and going to a specific site might prove useful for people wanting to limit results. In schools, you don't want kids wasting time on the Internet searching for the site that you asked them to find. Not everybody has a creative short name for their url.
This way, you don't need one, if the audience is limited. It could also be seen as a semi-equivalent command line interface to make use of bookmarks. It may actually be easier to type "Fr tutor", short for "French Tutorial", instead of going through countless folders and such to search for your bookmarks.
As long as everybody is aware of its strengths and limitations, then this tool is of value to those who can use it.
I could now see a benefit to having a seperate battery instead of one big one or two in parallel. An idea would be to have two batteries in one battery case. When the first one goes dead, you take it off and leave it in your pocket. When you empty your pockets at the end of the day, you say to yourself, "Oh yeah, I have to recharge this.".
I'm not sure that I would need a feature like this, but it would help some people, based on the battery type and the way that they use the phone.
It would be nice to have solar cells to help compliment the amount of power from the battery. I don't expect that you'll get much power out of the solar cells, but every bit helps.
LOL!
:^)
I usually don't laugh much when I read stuff on the Internet, but this is amazing. I was kind of apprehensive about reading your response, wondering if this was a troll, or something.
Fortunately, it turned out to be a good laugh.
My message is off topic.
/. editors: I recommend that you not let people say something along the lines of, "Contact me away from /. because I don't read here.". If that guy reads here, then why bother having us email him a copy of each of our responses? :^) If people respond to him privately, then it doesn't really help with ad revenue, does it? :^) Submitting ideas to him, away from the community, doesn't encourage discussion either.
realgone, you're right. I think that it should be mantatory for people to interact with the responses so that the community can get a better idea of what they are asking for and what works.
I am on a mailing list, where it is considered rude to not tell everybody what idea worked and what didn't. In this case, it would tell us who is out to just get karma because of submissions, and who has a genuine question.
Note to
It's actually worse. It's more like, "We know that there's a certain group of people/characters that don't exist, and fortunately there not doing anything.". :^)
Well, that's exactly what I got out of this. Judging by the number of posts in this submission, I'd say that most people don't care for this kind of news.
Not trying to rant, or complain. Please don't mod me down.
Not trying to rant or troll or anything. It just makes me kind of laugh. That's all.
I took intercultural studies in college and one of the most emphatic things is that you can't look in a text book for this information. You have to do some in depth and time consuming studies.
Look up "ethnography" with google. An ethnography will teach you to see things through their eyes.
I made an ethnography in college in anthropology class, and found it to be a fascinating experience. My ethnography in particular wasn't fascinating, but the other sample copies were.
A perfect example is Afganistan. As much as some people may not like them, they need the help of the west. Right now, many of them are growing marijuana. If they could get jobs in manufactoring and selling white LEDs, then maybe they would stop growing marijuana.
Okay, I'm being a bit hopeful, but still you can see where I going with the idea.
Yeah, Linux does work without the web browser. I installed emacs the other day, and I was able to remove Netscape, the kernel, bash, all my non-emacs libraries, etc. Emacs is great! It's so good that you don't even need an OS!
;^)