Are you implying that China is actually being more forthright with their actions?
Precisely. They're telling their people that they'll be sniffing their traffic, while our government made tools in secret (as well as they could) to do it, without technical controls to prohibit their use without a lawful warrant, and supported legislation untying their hands from all that messy "warrant" business.
What difference does it make? Spying is spying and monitoring is monitoring. I just said that the Chinese are being up front about it, which they are. You don't know what the rules here are. Maybe there's an off-the-books federal database in some agency of people moving violent or pornographic material that you and I aren't aware of. Sounds a little conspiracy theorist, I admit, but how hard would it be for $THREE_LETTER_AGENCY to subvert a low level employee at the NOC of a major ISP (laundered through a "mafia" connection or somesuch, gotta have that deniability)?
Helloooo? The parent's not offtopic. If the moderator in question had taken the trouble to read the referenced page, he would have seen that it's priced in pounds and tarrifed for the UK. For crying out loud, get a clue.
Bring on the unfair moderation. I'm capped and need room to grow.
I didn't have the problem with the text boxes. I admit I don't primarily do graphics, either, so I probably didn't exercise it to a great extent. But it was usable, and the only thing I remember being annoyed by is the difference in interface--the same kind of annoyance one feels when switching from one window manager to another.
I installed a GIMP Win32 build at work and it wasn't that bad, aside from the differences in interface. (Speaking of which, I hope you have never been subjected to the evil that is Microsoft PictureIt. Breaks every CUA/UAA standard known to man.)
Or perhaps they just don't know about the GIMP. I'm not going to pretend the GIMP is as powerful as Photoshop. (It isn't.) But lots of people buy (or copy) Photoshop who don't need all that, and the GIMP would suit their needs.
It also makes all those spare 8X CDRW's you have now worth ph@t bux on eBay should this ever come to pass.
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Precisely. In order to successfully prosecute a case like this, an employer should have to show that they were playing network nazi with every employee from the CEO/Governor/HMFIC on down. And one counterexample should be enough to get the case dismissed.
I assume that statements made by the prosecution and its witnesses, particularly the fellow administrator that brought this "crime" to the attention of the "authorities" are public record?
Since it's unlikely McOwen will ever easily obtain another IT position, I think it's reasonable and prudent to make the names of his accusers available so that any employer might think twice before bring poison like that into their workplaces. Of course, they'll probably all comfortably retire with pensions from the State of Georgia, then die. Hopefully soon.
It's not about bandwidth; it's about power and control. Network nazis (small N, no Godwin's law, thank you, move along) like the coworker who reported him are salving their lifelong cases of penis envy by micromanaging computers in workplaces. Seem implausible? Watch the "eye-tee" personnel posting s in threads like these or about workplace monitoring, etc.
What happened? Did they steal some security ideas from a smaller company, run them out of business, and incorporate the ideas into the next version of Windows?
Along with granting the vote to women, but that's another thread.
Touché.
It would be a logistical hassle to decide what's just "incidental" and what's primary to the research, too. I imagine that while we allow "incidental" work to be closed and exploited for private gain, most of it will miraculously be "incidental."
The analogy to public access to spare cycles on government machines can go the other way, too--would it be OK for the government to give free time on its mainframes to corporations but not to taxpayers? That's what the opposing essay author seems to want for government funded software.
If you're thick enough to believe that that's the only direction that it would take, I sincerely hope you aren't an American, because this country needs less sheep.
That doesn't change the fact that they did not<blink> define the word "security" in the way you allege. Did it ever occur to you that what you quote there might be spin?
Before you go firing off half-ass replies like that, you might go read the article again and see that there's a fat lot of room for the definition of security. Your assertion to the contrary is either deliberate deception or infantile babbling.
What's "cleaverly?" Does that mean something releated to Ward Cleaver, the patriarch of the television classic "Leave it to Beaver?"
That's interesting--thank you. The controversy was over POSE (the GPL'd Palm emulator), particularly that Sony added support for the jog dial and didn't release the source. I haven't been able to find anything indicating that they've changed their stand on this, but would be gratified to learn of it.
. . . we might want to consider that while "security" can mean keeping your machine from being 0wn3d, it can also mean "security" as in the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, otherwise known as the "Enforced Copy Control and Free Operating System Elimination Act."
A GPL violation was brought to the community's attention here. Has Sony made the source available to those who downloaded the emulator without redistribution restriction, in accordance with the GPL? Or did we just let them get away with that little shenanigan and then advertise for them on the front page?
It would seem particularly fitting that a company so invested in protecting it's intellectual "property" (q.v. the "Churchill" speech about blocking P2P music sharing, harassment of Aibo fan sites, SDMI memory sticks) shoud be hoisted on its own petard.
This sort of thing could be handled by treaty. A class of public domain limited to nation states could be created, so that, say, Slobbovian citizens would obtain public domain rights to Slobbovian funded research, but U.S. citizens would have to pay royalties to the Slobbovian governement (a.k.a. the Slobbovian taxpayers). Given that there's a jackbooted infrastructure in place for enforcing the copyrights of the governments' corporate masters (i.e. WIPO and the Berne Convention), this would be doable.
Or we could fall back on that tired old "advancement of science" and "good of mankind" stuff. Naw.
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It's pretty easy to "win" in a discussion by calling the other guy an extremist too, you know.
Precisely. They're telling their people that they'll be sniffing their traffic, while our government made tools in secret (as well as they could) to do it, without technical controls to prohibit their use without a lawful warrant, and supported legislation untying their hands from all that messy "warrant" business.
What difference does it make? Spying is spying and monitoring is monitoring. I just said that the Chinese are being up front about it, which they are. You don't know what the rules here are. Maybe there's an off-the-books federal database in some agency of people moving violent or pornographic material that you and I aren't aware of. Sounds a little conspiracy theorist, I admit, but how hard would it be for $THREE_LETTER_AGENCY to subvert a low level employee at the NOC of a major ISP (laundered through a "mafia" connection or somesuch, gotta have that deniability)?
Here, we get things like Carnivore and promises that they'll only be used with warrants. Or to catch mobsters. Or terrorists. Honest.
Bring on the unfair moderation. I'm capped and need room to grow.
I didn't have the problem with the text boxes. I admit I don't primarily do graphics, either, so I probably didn't exercise it to a great extent. But it was usable, and the only thing I remember being annoyed by is the difference in interface--the same kind of annoyance one feels when switching from one window manager to another.
I installed a GIMP Win32 build at work and it wasn't that bad, aside from the differences in interface. (Speaking of which, I hope you have never been subjected to the evil that is Microsoft PictureIt. Breaks every CUA/UAA standard known to man.)
Or perhaps they just don't know about the GIMP. I'm not going to pretend the GIMP is as powerful as Photoshop. (It isn't.) But lots of people buy (or copy) Photoshop who don't need all that, and the GIMP would suit their needs.
It also makes all those spare 8X CDRW's you have now worth ph@t bux on eBay should this ever come to pass.
Precisely. In order to successfully prosecute a case like this, an employer should have to show that they were playing network nazi with every employee from the CEO/Governor/HMFIC on down. And one counterexample should be enough to get the case dismissed.
Since it's unlikely McOwen will ever easily obtain another IT position, I think it's reasonable and prudent to make the names of his accusers available so that any employer might think twice before bring poison like that into their workplaces. Of course, they'll probably all comfortably retire with pensions from the State of Georgia, then die. Hopefully soon.
It's not about bandwidth; it's about power and control. Network nazis (small N, no Godwin's law, thank you, move along) like the coworker who reported him are salving their lifelong cases of penis envy by micromanaging computers in workplaces. Seem implausible? Watch the "eye-tee" personnel posting s in threads like these or about workplace monitoring, etc.
And have you ever looked at the output of ps aux ww on a PDA :)? I'm a Palm person myself, and it's been more than I've needed in a PDA so far.
That racket's already taken by Symantec and McAfee, primarily.
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Not even G0c| can 0w|\| this server.
Touché.
It would be a logistical hassle to decide what's just "incidental" and what's primary to the research, too. I imagine that while we allow "incidental" work to be closed and exploited for private gain, most of it will miraculously be "incidental."
The analogy to public access to spare cycles on government machines can go the other way, too--would it be OK for the government to give free time on its mainframes to corporations but not to taxpayers? That's what the opposing essay author seems to want for government funded software.
Ooh, name calling and invective. I knew you were that intelligent.
If you're thick enough to believe that that's the only direction that it would take, I sincerely hope you aren't an American, because this country needs less sheep.
That doesn't change the fact that they did not<blink> define the word "security" in the way you allege. Did it ever occur to you that what you quote there might be spin?
What's "cleaverly?" Does that mean something releated to Ward Cleaver, the patriarch of the television classic "Leave it to Beaver?"
That's interesting--thank you. The controversy was over POSE (the GPL'd Palm emulator), particularly that Sony added support for the jog dial and didn't release the source. I haven't been able to find anything indicating that they've changed their stand on this, but would be gratified to learn of it.
. . . we might want to consider that while "security" can mean keeping your machine from being 0wn3d, it can also mean "security" as in the Security Systems Standards and Certification Act, otherwise known as the "Enforced Copy Control and Free Operating System Elimination Act."
It would seem particularly fitting that a company so invested in protecting it's intellectual "property" (q.v. the "Churchill" speech about blocking P2P music sharing, harassment of Aibo fan sites, SDMI memory sticks) shoud be hoisted on its own petard.
Or we could fall back on that tired old "advancement of science" and "good of mankind" stuff. Naw.