The United States believes that the requirements in Section III.J.2 are no broader than is necessary to prevent misuse or misappropriation of intellectual property.
Basically, they are saying: the US government created the Microsoft monopoly via copyright, and the government doesn't feel like taking it away. I guess those MS tax revenues are pretty hefty.
Oh well. Here in America we have a curious sort of "Non-Laissez-faire Capitalism".
I'm curious, how do you argue that something is or isn't a derivative work? Especially software?
Do you say: amount of code? Amount of useful functionality created by the code (ie, the GPL code is used to implement a menu item that is not used in day-to-day usage of the program.) Do you make some kind of "user confusion" argument?
If you have two expert witnesses, wouldn't it just be an argument of "yes it is" vs. "no it isn't"?
I really never thought of this and assumed that there was something in the software copyright laws or some precedent that spelled this out clearly.
As much as I like the GPL I really hope that the writer of the License isn't the one who gets to define "derivative work" (ie, maybe microsoft someday would like to make their license cover any computer yours networks with, or something silly).
Yeah, PayPal is great, I've NEVER had a problem since I signed up (the day they went live) and I use it every week at least.
But, I have a question, how do you tie the PayPal payment to the slashdot account? I have different email address on PayPal and slashdot. Should I sync them up or can I put a note in the comments "this is for Dr. Awktagon" or what should I do?
Sorry, it was me, I didn't realize that letting my monthly payment slip a few weeks would have such a big impact on the company. I really feel bad about it though.
Anybody seen any nice cases that aren't just boxes? ie, spheres, disks, pyramids, that sort of thing. Non-parallel sides. Art school stuff. Stuff inspired by cool architecture like Le Corbusier (sp) and Frank Gehry, etc?
Just curious as the boxen with radioactive green on black or aluminum with blue LEDs is a little old. They all look like electrified trash compactors.
Also I agree with others: if/. is going to start showing hardware hacks all the time it needs its own category!
Throughout history, technology has been key to opening up new markets. It only represents a problem if it is allowed to undermine existing markets by facilitating [unauthorized copying].
Wow! New technology is okay, as long as it doesn't undermine existing markets?? That's a great quote.
Welcome to New Capitalism: from each corporation according to their ability, to each corporation according to their need.
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Can't you take ANY external pocket hard drive or even a keychain USB drive and do similar things? WTF does this have to do with the iPod?
And you could take a camera into a museum or a movie camera into a theatre. But actually you can't because you'll get caught. So computer store employees should just make sure kids don't plug hard drives into computers.
Of course if software could be freely redistributed this wouldn't be a problem, but that's another long-running and tiresome story, isn't it...
Man, I was in another room and that steady flow of shit last night caught my ear like when your nose catches a sewer treatment plant, I was wondering if/. would pick up on it. Don't you just love the language:
No question the most insidious virus in our midst is the illegal downloading of music on the Net. It goes by many names and its apologists offer a myriad of excuses. This illegal file-sharing and ripping of music files is pervasive, out of control and oh so criminal. Many of the nominees here tonight, especially the new, less-established artists, are in immediate danger of being marginalized out of our business. Ripping is stealing their livelihood one digital file at a time, leaving their musical dreams haplessly snared in this World Wide Web of theft and indifference.
And then check out this Mickey Mouse Math, I don't even understand their point:
..we asked three college-age students to spend two days with us and download as many music files as possible from easily accessible Web sites. Please say hello to Numair, Stephanie and Ed. In just a couple of days they have downloaded nearly 6,000 songs. That's three kids, folks. Now multiply that by millions of students and other computer users and the problem comes into sharp focus.
And can't you imagine him saying: And if we gave them faster connections, they would've downloaded even more songs, and this "problem" would be even worst.
And check out the kicker:
This problem won't be solved in short order. It's going to require education, leadership from Washington and true diligence to help our fans - that would be you - to embrace this life and death issue and support our artistic community by only downloading your music from legal Web sites.
I'm surprised they didn't use the word "terrorist" anyplace. I guess the speech was written before Sept.11.
Basically it seems like they are softening up Congress so that their "legal Web site" will be the only place and only way to download music, enforced by constitutional amendment.
Amazing. Normally I wouldn't give a toss what those clowns say, but since the DMCA I've learned to listen and read carefully. (And we all better learn to WRITE carefully too....to our congressfolks and anybody who gets taxpayer dollars).
I was having a discussion the other day about this, how people of a certain age have emotional attachments to video game music, and sometimes it's hard to understand.
One of my favorite labels is an online MP3-only label, Monotonik, they have some cool original chip tunes and some Mario remixes (here's one). Actually look around and there's lots of cool stuff for fans of IDM, electronic music, etc.
Also of interest, there's a music machine that uses the sound chip from the C64 (that's Commodore 64, kids) with MIDI support.
Imagine if someone looked through your window at the wallpaper in your house, decided it was an ugly color, and then broke into your house to paint all your walls pink. Would that be cool with you??
Oh yeah? How would YOU like it if every time someone flew a white helicopter over your father's tomato farm, a rhinoceros shows up and steps on his bicycle? Yeah, would that be cool with you??
I realized the media companies were too big when (Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw, can't remember which) said one night: "MP3.com is being sued over a service that allows people to listen to music from CDs without paying." And that's it. No explanation about how the system required you to put in a physical CD to activate the tracks. You can say the same thing about your home CD player.
"Of course!" I said to myself. "The news shows are OWNED by the same companies putting out the CDs! What a conflict of interest."
So, as far as I'm concerned, unless I can verify otherwise, I assume the big media companies (the fourth branch of the US government, the Ministry of Media) are involved with everything I see on TV, every book or magazine I read, every CD I buy, and every radio station tune into.
Just wait, after UniMediaCorp is created, you won't even HEAR about these sorts of stories, and the FCC will become an amusing anachronism.
And therefore zero incentive to create new work, thus basically using copyright law to hang itself..
Really, if a writer had total control over his work, and it was successful, why would he ever work on anything else again? (Unless of course they want to admit that maybe money isn't the sole reason for writing).
Imagine a doctor receiving hefty royalty payments for a single successful surgery (percentage of the clients income or something, after all they saved his life and livelihood, right?).. why would this doctor work ever again?
It's to make sure that we have "copyright dynasties", so that the children of successful writers and musicians don't have to work. Working is hard!
No, seriously, it's part of the illusion that "intellectual property" is like real property, and therefore is treated like any other money-producing asset. Like if your family owned an income-producing movie theatre or carnival or farm or something, and it passed to the kids.
But the constitution says copyrights are to "promote progress", not "make money"..
The problem is, who gets to decide what exactly is the proper period for copyright? I'd like the Supreme court to make an interpretation of the Constitution and declare that "limited time" means "average human lifespam" or something. How on earth could death+70 years be a limited time from the point of view of a single human being?
I bet this technology could be used to move a cone of paper or other stiff material, which would move a large air mass and create clear sound vibrations, thus reproducing sound...
Nah, too crazy...
Seriously this is very cool and reminds me of the folks who put an AM radio next their Altairs (or whatever it was) and ran different instructions to create different frequency interference, thus creating music.
What I'd REALLY like to see is the microwave interference from a GHz PC fucking with a cordless phone or something, making it ring....could it be done?
C'mon slashdot, this guy cracked into computer systems. He's in an unfairly prosecuted fringe group, but he also broke into other people's computers, that makes him a criminal.
Of course, the FBI probably overdid it, and we absolutely NEED anarchists and the like to make sure the first amendment remains in effect, especially now after Sept.11. I hope his site was mirrored someplace, and ten new versions popped up for the one they took down.
But I can't feel sorry for him. And I really don't know why/. thinks this is news, either way.
No kidding, it's hard to believe whoever wrote that has a PhD in anything. For instance:
Fiction #1: Microsoft is a "monopoly." There is no such thing as a
private monopoly. Only the government can forcibly prevent competitors
from entering a market.
I guess the Government-enforced copyright monopoly doesn't count? And in my economics classes, I learned that a monopoly is a company with concentrated market power, which may or may not be harmful to society. Any RATIONAL thinker would agree: of course Microsoft is a monopoly in the PC operating systems market, their product is used on a vast majority of PCs. A is A., and Microsoft is a Monopoly.
This economic power, the power of voluntary trade, is fundamentally
different from political power, the power of the gun.
To quote George Will (was it George Will?) Capitalism is a government program. Let's say hardware Company X decides they don't like to pay microsoft for machines that don't have Windows installed. IE, they break their contract and sell their own machines without Windows, but don't pay Microsoft. Guess what types of weapons will be carried when their headquarters are raided after Microsoft sues them for breach of contract? That's right! Guns! Or maybe the company should just blow up their unsold PCs, Howard Roark style.
Ayn Rand took the valid and noble concept of rational self-interest and turned it into a sophomoric caricature, an unrealistic and simplified viewpoint that applies to everything yet is completely irrelevant here in the "real world".
Kindof like how this post has nothing to do with Microsoft, oops..whatever..
BountyQuest was always a joke...Bezos and O'Reilly were never seriously interested in patent quality...
If you're at Vegas and you find a broken slot machine that pays out more than 50% of the time, would you tell anybody? Would you do anything about it? Why on earth would you?
You'd just get in line along with the hundreds of other people and start pulling that lever..
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[Microsoft's software] has some advantages: it is generally more consistent in quality ..
Yes, I suppose if there is one thing you can say about Microsoft's software, it's that the level of quality has been quite consistent.
The United States believes that the requirements in Section III.J.2 are no broader than is necessary to prevent misuse or misappropriation of intellectual property.
Basically, they are saying: the US government created the Microsoft monopoly via copyright, and the government doesn't feel like taking it away. I guess those MS tax revenues are pretty hefty.
Oh well. Here in America we have a curious sort of "Non-Laissez-faire Capitalism".
I'm curious, how do you argue that something is or isn't a derivative work? Especially software?
Do you say: amount of code? Amount of useful functionality created by the code (ie, the GPL code is used to implement a menu item that is not used in day-to-day usage of the program.) Do you make some kind of "user confusion" argument?
If you have two expert witnesses, wouldn't it just be an argument of "yes it is" vs. "no it isn't"?
I really never thought of this and assumed that there was something in the software copyright laws or some precedent that spelled this out clearly.
As much as I like the GPL I really hope that the writer of the License isn't the one who gets to define "derivative work" (ie, maybe microsoft someday would like to make their license cover any computer yours networks with, or something silly).
The correct pronunciation is: Mac OH YES! SEX!
(Saw that in Dr.Dobbs I think)
Okay, I see my user # is in the form code on the HTML page. So I guess email has nothing to do with it. Yes?
Hmm, I guess that means if I really wanted to, I could pay for someone else's subscription?
Yeah, PayPal is great, I've NEVER had a problem since I signed up (the day they went live) and I use it every week at least.
But, I have a question, how do you tie the PayPal payment to the slashdot account? I have different email address on PayPal and slashdot. Should I sync them up or can I put a note in the comments "this is for Dr. Awktagon" or what should I do?
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Sorry, it was me, I didn't realize that letting my monthly payment slip a few weeks would have such a big impact on the company. I really feel bad about it though.
that Frozen case earlier today makes this one look like my ass.
Your ass has USB? That's ain't no USB port, bro.. ;-)
Anybody seen any nice cases that aren't just boxes? ie, spheres, disks, pyramids, that sort of thing. Non-parallel sides. Art school stuff. Stuff inspired by cool architecture like Le Corbusier (sp) and Frank Gehry, etc?
Just curious as the boxen with radioactive green on black or aluminum with blue LEDs is a little old. They all look like electrified trash compactors.
Also I agree with others: if /. is going to start showing hardware hacks all the time it needs its own category!
Throughout history, technology has been key to opening up new markets. It only represents a problem if it is allowed to undermine existing markets by facilitating [unauthorized copying].
Wow! New technology is okay, as long as it doesn't undermine existing markets?? That's a great quote.
Welcome to New Capitalism: from each corporation according to their ability, to each corporation according to their need.
Can't you take ANY external pocket hard drive or even a keychain USB drive and do similar things? WTF does this have to do with the iPod?
And you could take a camera into a museum or a movie camera into a theatre. But actually you can't because you'll get caught. So computer store employees should just make sure kids don't plug hard drives into computers.
Of course if software could be freely redistributed this wouldn't be a problem, but that's another long-running and tiresome story, isn't it...
There's no story here. NEXT!!!
Man, I was in another room and that steady flow of shit last night caught my ear like when your nose catches a sewer treatment plant, I was wondering if /. would pick up on it. Don't you just love the language:
And then check out this Mickey Mouse Math, I don't even understand their point:
And can't you imagine him saying: And if we gave them faster connections, they would've downloaded even more songs, and this "problem" would be even worst.
And check out the kicker:
I'm surprised they didn't use the word "terrorist" anyplace. I guess the speech was written before Sept.11.
Basically it seems like they are softening up Congress so that their "legal Web site" will be the only place and only way to download music, enforced by constitutional amendment.
Amazing. Normally I wouldn't give a toss what those clowns say, but since the DMCA I've learned to listen and read carefully. (And we all better learn to WRITE carefully too....to our congressfolks and anybody who gets taxpayer dollars).
One thing that is interesting to notes is that food recipes are available all the time, but people still go to restaurants.
Yeah really, I have burner here in the kitchen...
I was having a discussion the other day about this, how people of a certain age have emotional attachments to video game music, and sometimes it's hard to understand.
One of my favorite labels is an online MP3-only label, Monotonik, they have some cool original chip tunes and some Mario remixes (here's one). Actually look around and there's lots of cool stuff for fans of IDM, electronic music, etc.
Also of interest, there's a music machine that uses the sound chip from the C64 (that's Commodore 64, kids) with MIDI support.
Also check out the Minibosses.
Lots of this stuff around! I never played video games much but that stuff all managed to get stuck in my head anyway..
Imagine if someone looked through your window at the wallpaper in your house, decided it was an ugly color, and then broke into your house to paint all your walls pink. Would that be cool with you??
Oh yeah? How would YOU like it if every time someone flew a white helicopter over your father's tomato farm, a rhinoceros shows up and steps on his bicycle? Yeah, would that be cool with you??
Yeah, I didn't THINK so!
You laugh now but soon, all your popups will be for Jergens, Vasoline and inflatable girlfriends.
They sure will! *boing*
I realized the media companies were too big when (Peter Jennings or Tom Brokaw, can't remember which) said one night: "MP3.com is being sued over a service that allows people to listen to music from CDs without paying." And that's it. No explanation about how the system required you to put in a physical CD to activate the tracks. You can say the same thing about your home CD player.
"Of course!" I said to myself. "The news shows are OWNED by the same companies putting out the CDs! What a conflict of interest."
So, as far as I'm concerned, unless I can verify otherwise, I assume the big media companies (the fourth branch of the US government, the Ministry of Media) are involved with everything I see on TV, every book or magazine I read, every CD I buy, and every radio station tune into.
Just wait, after UniMediaCorp is created, you won't even HEAR about these sorts of stories, and the FCC will become an amusing anachronism.
Indefinite residuals. An attractive notion.
And therefore zero incentive to create new work, thus basically using copyright law to hang itself..
Really, if a writer had total control over his work, and it was successful, why would he ever work on anything else again? (Unless of course they want to admit that maybe money isn't the sole reason for writing).
Imagine a doctor receiving hefty royalty payments for a single successful surgery (percentage of the clients income or something, after all they saved his life and livelihood, right?) .. why would this doctor work ever again?
It's to make sure that we have "copyright dynasties", so that the children of successful writers and musicians don't have to work. Working is hard!
No, seriously, it's part of the illusion that "intellectual property" is like real property, and therefore is treated like any other money-producing asset. Like if your family owned an income-producing movie theatre or carnival or farm or something, and it passed to the kids.
But the constitution says copyrights are to "promote progress", not "make money"..
The problem is, who gets to decide what exactly is the proper period for copyright? I'd like the Supreme court to make an interpretation of the Constitution and declare that "limited time" means "average human lifespam" or something. How on earth could death+70 years be a limited time from the point of view of a single human being?
Finally, someone has come to recognized my preferred solution to fight spammers: kick them in the genitals.
Or did you mean something else by "Fighting The Spammers Down Under"?
That's definitely a phrase I need to use more often.
I bet this technology could be used to move a cone of paper or other stiff material, which would move a large air mass and create clear sound vibrations, thus reproducing sound...
Nah, too crazy...
Seriously this is very cool and reminds me of the folks who put an AM radio next their Altairs (or whatever it was) and ran different instructions to create different frequency interference, thus creating music.
What I'd REALLY like to see is the microwave interference from a GHz PC fucking with a cordless phone or something, making it ring....could it be done?
C'mon slashdot, this guy cracked into computer systems. He's in an unfairly prosecuted fringe group, but he also broke into other people's computers, that makes him a criminal.
Of course, the FBI probably overdid it, and we absolutely NEED anarchists and the like to make sure the first amendment remains in effect, especially now after Sept.11. I hope his site was mirrored someplace, and ten new versions popped up for the one they took down.
But I can't feel sorry for him. And I really don't know why /. thinks this is news, either way.
No kidding, it's hard to believe whoever wrote that has a PhD in anything. For instance:
Fiction #1: Microsoft is a "monopoly." There is no such thing as a private monopoly. Only the government can forcibly prevent competitors from entering a market.
I guess the Government-enforced copyright monopoly doesn't count? And in my economics classes, I learned that a monopoly is a company with concentrated market power, which may or may not be harmful to society. Any RATIONAL thinker would agree: of course Microsoft is a monopoly in the PC operating systems market, their product is used on a vast majority of PCs. A is A., and Microsoft is a Monopoly.
This economic power, the power of voluntary trade, is fundamentally different from political power, the power of the gun.
To quote George Will (was it George Will?) Capitalism is a government program. Let's say hardware Company X decides they don't like to pay microsoft for machines that don't have Windows installed. IE, they break their contract and sell their own machines without Windows, but don't pay Microsoft. Guess what types of weapons will be carried when their headquarters are raided after Microsoft sues them for breach of contract? That's right! Guns! Or maybe the company should just blow up their unsold PCs, Howard Roark style.
Ayn Rand took the valid and noble concept of rational self-interest and turned it into a sophomoric caricature, an unrealistic and simplified viewpoint that applies to everything yet is completely irrelevant here in the "real world".
Kindof like how this post has nothing to do with Microsoft, oops..whatever..
BountyQuest was always a joke...Bezos and O'Reilly were never seriously interested in patent quality...
If you're at Vegas and you find a broken slot machine that pays out more than 50% of the time, would you tell anybody? Would you do anything about it? Why on earth would you?
You'd just get in line along with the hundreds of other people and start pulling that lever..