I hope you realize that my post was a little satirical. NT is nowhere near "cutting edge" and for someone who helped create two revolutions of modern computing to be using it for a desktop, is kind of ironic.
Hey, my Windows machine at home is Win98! I see no need to spend hundreds of dollars on an OS that gets booted up for maybe an hour a week.
Someone has to say it. Draw your own conclusions, etc. People have accused me of trolling in the past, but when I see something like this, all that FUD about Windows, all the Evil Empire snide remarks, all the lame 'M$' jokes, all the misleading and childish comments I've ever read here dissolve into a little white pixel and things are good again. The person who invented Unix is doing what the rest of the world does - use a desktop computer and desktop software that actually works - to be productive instead of to feel technically and morally "superior" (whatever that means). As Dr. Evil once said: put that in your pipe and smoke it. Yeah, I said pipe.
Well, all this really proves is that he is well behind the times. NT? Who uses NT anymore? Well, I have one machine here at work, but I am in testing so I have to. Not to sound unappreciative, but Dennis - what have you done for me lately? It is rather odd that someone who has contributed two of the most CORE computer technologies could be so far from the cutting edge. Maybe his time has just passed. Maybe it was just how the interview came across, but I found Dennis to be particularly BORING. I guess I was kind of hoping that someone of his legendary status would have had some interesting quirks or something. He is from a time when geeks were boring. Now they are sexy rock stars!
The whole issue is about respect. Microsoft is not respecting my decision to use a non-IE browser. Coding to standards and ensuring cross-browser correctness shows respect to everyone who views your site. Locking out users of browsers you don't like shows disrespect for those who don't share your browser preferences.
At least it would be honest. If they honestly said "you can't visit msn.com with a non-IE browser" at least they would be straight-up about it. They tried it, and it was corrected immediately because of public outcry. What they are doing now is even lower, because they aren't saying it upfront, they are resorting to sabatoge.
Some MS stooges are saying "fine, either use IE or don't go to MSN", but I think that if they are going to resort to these kinds of tactics, they need to be called out on it, and show their true colors to the world. This is just one more thing in a long list of things MS has done to show that they are assholes. I am getting kind of sick of it.
I know this specifically talks about ecommerce sites, but what about catalog sales? I haven't purchased anything via catalog in a long time, but do they have to charge sales tax for out of state sales? If they don't, they may have to now.
Here is the Episode Capsule . And I guess I'll have to wait for the 4th season to come out, I mistakenly posted above that it was in the 3rd season. Wishful thinking on my part.
I know everyone has their favorite, but I think EVERYONE loves my favorite episode: Selma's Choice.
Highlights:
Aunt Gladys dies, they go to the funeral, and Selma wants a baby.
Lionel Hutz has a good, small part. (You'd be surprised how often that works, you really would)
Selma tries to find a man, including the pimply faced checkout boy.
Homer gets sick from eating a really old, 10-foot hoagie.
Because Homer is sick, the kids go to Duff Gardens with Selma. Classic stuff here, Lisa acid trips by drinking the water, Bart tries on Beer Goggles, the Seven Duffs, rapping Abe Lincoln, etc.
Homercles cares not for beans!
This episode kills me every single time I see it, and for some reason they don't run it very often in syndication. I literally watched for 2 years, 3 times a day trying to tape it. I finally downloaded it from the net. It is the 3rd season, so I am just waiting for the next DVD set to come out.
The thing is, there are sooooo many good episodes. Even recent ones have their "classic" moments that crack me up. Best Show Ever!
I'll have to show to article to the wife. That way the next time I get the hiccups, she'll understand why I start going for, uh well, if you read the article you'll know.
Researchers have also confirmed that doing that prevents hiccups.
Of course, that is what I am going to tell my wife. You know, she gets hiccups often. Maybe she should have a friend or two come over...
When my managers hear "Linux" and "Open Source" they really hear "free". They like it because it doesn't cost them anything.
Funny, when my manager hears "Linux" and "Open Source" (mainly from me), he gets immediately defensive. To him it means "unfamiliar", "different", and "not approved by Corporate". Makes my stomach turn.
It makes me sick when we have to sit in meetings and work around delays and problems caused by licensing issues imposed on us by software vendors. "Oh, we can't install that environment, we don't have enough licenses. We'll have to wait for the PO to go through on it before we can proceed." We have to budget in licensing that we may never use, but we will sit on licenses that we have paid for because we don't want to give them up. It's too hard to get them back, and we have the money in our budget already. Argggh. It is stupid and wasteful.
Most users don't give a damn about the philosophy behind the software.
They probably do more than they know. People get copies of Windows and Office and games from their friends all the time. They do it because they can't pay $$$$ for it, yet they need it. Managers and IT people want software that is reasonably priced without licensing hassles. (except in my case I guess) I'll bet that a lot of people would like the Open Source or Free Software philosophy if it was explained to them. They probably won't fight for it, or pursue it, but they would choose it. But even if they don't, or are never given the opportunity to, I am damn glad that *I* can choose it. It just needs more support from the people who make software so that the end user can get the programs they want.
I am using Opera 7.0, and the banner ad displaying right now in it is: Surf Safely - Opera 7.01s Now Available
So I guess that makes it official. I think I am about to click my first banner ad ever.:-)
D'oh! Here is what I got when I clicked the banner ad:
Dear Internet User,
You are receiving this error page due to a problem with
the configuration of the advertisement javascript or html
coding. This error is isolated to a specific site or site
subsection. We apologize for any inconvience caused.
Many people have noted before (concerning BSDs and the like) that files appearing at ftp sites do NOT mean it's officially released. Opera 7.01 is still not officially released, and the files might still change.
I am using Opera 7.0, and the banner ad displaying right now in it is: Surf Safely - Opera 7.01s Now Available
So I guess that makes it official. I think I am about to click my first banner ad ever.:-)
Opera didn't announce the exploits, idiot. They requested that the people who discovered them wait to announce them for TWO DAYS so that a fix could be released before the exploits became publicly known. The exploit discoverers did not comply. Opera did everything right, and it is impressive that they are working so fast and so hard to fix the problems.
Not only that, but there were workarounds for all 5 holes immediately. Four could be taken care of by turning off javascript, and the other could be fixed by modifying a line in one local html file. So I go without javascript for a couple of days until the fixed version comes out, boo-hoo. I am really glad that they implemented better pop-up blocking this time around (ala Moz), but am sad that I can't background skin my browser. Now I am just waiting for the the Linux version...
Technically, it has it's problems - although many of them aren't Opera's fault. Too many existing sites are developed for IE/Netscape instead of being built around standards. I fire up IE for non-Opera compatible sites at least a couple of times a day - online banking being the main culprit.
I have found that about half of the sites that don't work well with Opera can be navigated by just changing the identity of the browser (CTRL+Alt+I). This is because web developers are still stupid, and sometimes the page will render properly, or close enough. Of course, the other half of the time it is really coded to IE. Then there are those maddening pages that don't even let you into their website unless you use IE. That really pisses me off, and usually ends up with me sending a nasty email to the webmaster of that site.
And I still can't get my head around the Opera 7 mail client. Outlook Express ain't perfect, but at least I can find my mail...
I have to use Outlook at work, but for home - pine. Yep, good ol pine. If I am somewhere remote, I can just download putty from the net, ssh into my box, and have my email checked in a matter of minutes. And my mail stays on my machine, no account to set up locally, and it is fasssst. It even handles attachments nicely, at least when I am on my home machine.
Or for some people, maybe it's not some big fucking political stand. Maybe we just like good software we're allowed to analyze and tweak.
Or like having good software that if you don't feel like tweaking it, or don't know how to, someone else probably will if the need is there. After all, we can't ALL modify the code to every program we own. But I am glad that others are able to.
potential sig: My Windows machine is more secure than my Linux machine. My Windows machine is powered off 90% of the time.
How funny and fitting that my post was modded as redundant, seeing as how I linked to the story that my comment was commenting on (not the previous story). So I guess it was truly redundant.
Crossover Office and Plugin are now bundled into Suse's desktop to provide Windows and Office compatibility.
I think this sentence points out something very often overlooked in the Linux vs Windows debate.
Linux doesn't really have a problem in co-existing with Windows. In fact, I am sure that it would be extremely compatible with Windows, if Microsoft would allow it. Microsoft discourages compatibility as a way of maintaining control.
With Linux it seems more like "we know our place, just let us exist and do our thing", but with Microsoft it is "we are the kings, we control everything." There would be no need for Open Office if the connectivity and document formats were open for Word/Excel. You'd have Linux people running MS Office! But no, it is their way, or the highway, so we have chosen the highway.
People complain that OSS is doing nothing innovative and is just copying existing successful projects like Office. Well maybe this time could be better spent by working with Microsoft instead of constantly having to work around them.
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First, what right do you have to determine how MUCH a person should donate and to what causes? How arrogant and judgemental!
None. Don't ask a flawed question that already has the answer you want built-in. I am not telling him how much to donate. But don't sit around and suck his dick just because he donated some money.
Second, Bill has donated MORE (and we are not talking dollars, we are talking RELATIVE net worth) than any the Rockefellors, Carnegie, or any other rich person in history.
You don't get it. $500 million is NOTHING to him. 10% of what? A thousand times more than he will ever be able to spend? That is no sacrifice. What else is he going to do with it, other than donate it? Sure, he could just sit on it, but he wants to be remembered for donating it as well. He didn't call it the AIDS Research Foundation, he called it the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Yes, he built it, so he can call it whatever he wants - he CHOSE to name it after himself. That is pretty arrogant if you ask me.
All you had to do was read one of many articles published over the past few years regarding his philantropy.
This statement says a lot.
So no, you probably have not donated more precentage wise, especially when considering that BillG can not donate investments - he donates LIQUID, and he has a lot less liquid then his net-worth. A lot of his investments return dividends directly into their foundation.
The money is impressive, not the man. It is absolutely no sacrifice whatsoever for him to part with it. The amounts are absolutely impressive, but his "generousity" is not. Why is that insulting? You are stuck on the amounts of money, when it is probably unfathomable amounts to everyone reading this. What is impressive is when something truly comes from the heart, or is based on principle. It think there are two points here: he has donated a lot of money to very good causes, and THAT will do some good in the world. His act of giving it away is not impressive. They are two totally different things.
magine if Windows cost $25? Instead of Joe-Blow doing cartwheels to get around XP Activation, they'd just buy 3 copies, one for each machine.
Amen to that. I alerted one of my frieds to the latest licensing issue with Turbo Tax, because I knew he used it. His response: If I am unable to install my old copy because I got a new computer, I'll just go buy another copy of it. It is only $25, and you should buy a new version every year anyway.
Now he is a smart guy, and he understood that it was not cool, but for $25 he didn't care. Bottom line is, people don't care that much about "freedom" when it comes to software. Fellow geeks, step back for a second. Step away from everything you know about computers and Open Source ideals. Most people don't think about it like you do. Most people don't think about it at all. You can try to explain it to them, but chances are they won't care.
I was talking to the guy who was installing my dishwasher this past weekend. He asked what I did for a living, and I told him I worked in software. His response was to ask me what kind of laptop his wife should buy. She wanted to get a Dell, but he thought she should get an Apple because she is a schoolteacher, and schools used Apples. I said Dells were good, but he wanted a recommendation of exactly which one to get. *sigh*
People don't get it. And that is OK, I don't expect everyone to get it. But people want convenience, not freedom. How easy is it to get a laptop from Dell? They make it SIMPLE, yet it still wasn't easy enough for this guy. We talk about wanting one with Linux, or no OS on it, and this guy couldn't decide from the few choices that they do have.
Microsoft would probably increase their sales if they did drop the price of Windows to a reasonable level, just like record companies would sell more CDs if they would do the same. And I am not saying this just to get a cheaper product, because even if Windows XP was cheaper, I still wouldn't buy it. But I know a lot of people that would.
Dude. Completely untrue. You may very well hate Bill Gates and Microsoft, but do it for the right reason.
Agreed.
Bill and his wife have donated tons of money to shelters/cancer treatment centers/fine arts, etc.
Agreed again.
You may hate his company, but he's donated a helluva lot of his loot.
*Screeeeeeech* *Bang*
What? Hold on. A helluva lot from my perspective, yes. A helluva lot from HIS perspective? Hardly. Look, I am not going to bash them for donating money to good causes, but let's be realistic - I have donated more, *percentage-wise*, than Bill Gates ever will. When you think about it, several million dollars is NOTHING to him. (oh, and his wife). I am happy that he has used some of his money for charity, but in all honesty he hasn't been very generous with it. And he did set up the foundation in his and his wife's name. Sure, he had the right to, but don't make him out to be a saint. He could have avoided the recognition if he wanted to, but I am sure he has a massive ego to feed.
Bill Gates is a successful businessman, pure and simple. He isn't a geek, he isn't a humanitarian. Just as people shouldn't make him out to be some kind of devil, he shouldn't be made into the opposite either.
a) wouldn't care a whole lot about Earth, we're one foot out of the ectoplasm.
Not only wouldn't care, probably wouldn't know...
If there is other life in the universe (which I believe there is, simply based on probability) then what are the odds that it would be able to get to Earth, let alone FIND it? To put it in perspective, finding the Earth in the universe would be like finding a specific grain of sand on a beach.
What cracks me up is that anything not immediately explained is assumed to be life from another planet. Where do people come up with this stuff?
That AIC forum blows is that they haven't implemented a/. like moderation system.
All the First Post L337 d00dz messages don't sink like a stone like they do here.
At first I thought there would be a stampede of trolls from here to there so that they can post all their lame messages. Then I realized that if it weren't moderated, they wouldn't feel like they were rebelling, and the novelty would wear off. They wouldn't have a "cause" to fight against (evil admins).
Of course, how do you tell the trolls from the actual posters at AICN? I thought I remembered that site, it is the one that gave EpisodeI a good review. I knew then that I would never visit that site again.
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Hey, my Windows machine at home is Win98! I see no need to spend hundreds of dollars on an OS that gets booted up for maybe an hour a week.
Well, all this really proves is that he is well behind the times. NT? Who uses NT anymore? Well, I have one machine here at work, but I am in testing so I have to. Not to sound unappreciative, but Dennis - what have you done for me lately? It is rather odd that someone who has contributed two of the most CORE computer technologies could be so far from the cutting edge. Maybe his time has just passed. Maybe it was just how the interview came across, but I found Dennis to be particularly BORING. I guess I was kind of hoping that someone of his legendary status would have had some interesting quirks or something. He is from a time when geeks were boring. Now they are sexy rock stars!
At least it would be honest. If they honestly said "you can't visit msn.com with a non-IE browser" at least they would be straight-up about it. They tried it, and it was corrected immediately because of public outcry. What they are doing now is even lower, because they aren't saying it upfront, they are resorting to sabatoge.
Some MS stooges are saying "fine, either use IE or don't go to MSN", but I think that if they are going to resort to these kinds of tactics, they need to be called out on it, and show their true colors to the world. This is just one more thing in a long list of things MS has done to show that they are assholes. I am getting kind of sick of it.
Lisa: Bye, Dad, don't eat any solids.
Homer: But I love solids.
Here is the Episode Capsule . And I guess I'll have to wait for the 4th season to come out, I mistakenly posted above that it was in the 3rd season. Wishful thinking on my part.
Highlights:
Aunt Gladys dies, they go to the funeral, and Selma wants a baby.
Lionel Hutz has a good, small part. (You'd be surprised how often that works, you really would)
Selma tries to find a man, including the pimply faced checkout boy.
Homer gets sick from eating a really old, 10-foot hoagie.
Because Homer is sick, the kids go to Duff Gardens with Selma. Classic stuff here, Lisa acid trips by drinking the water, Bart tries on Beer Goggles, the Seven Duffs, rapping Abe Lincoln, etc.
Homercles cares not for beans!
This episode kills me every single time I see it, and for some reason they don't run it very often in syndication. I literally watched for 2 years, 3 times a day trying to tape it. I finally downloaded it from the net. It is the 3rd season, so I am just waiting for the next DVD set to come out.
The thing is, there are sooooo many good episodes. Even recent ones have their "classic" moments that crack me up. Best Show Ever!
Yeah, they should name it Superfly.
Researchers have also confirmed that doing that prevents hiccups.
Of course, that is what I am going to tell my wife. You know, she gets hiccups often. Maybe she should have a friend or two come over...
Funny, when my manager hears "Linux" and "Open Source" (mainly from me), he gets immediately defensive. To him it means "unfamiliar", "different", and "not approved by Corporate". Makes my stomach turn.
It makes me sick when we have to sit in meetings and work around delays and problems caused by licensing issues imposed on us by software vendors. "Oh, we can't install that environment, we don't have enough licenses. We'll have to wait for the PO to go through on it before we can proceed." We have to budget in licensing that we may never use, but we will sit on licenses that we have paid for because we don't want to give them up. It's too hard to get them back, and we have the money in our budget already. Argggh. It is stupid and wasteful.
Most users don't give a damn about the philosophy behind the software.
They probably do more than they know. People get copies of Windows and Office and games from their friends all the time. They do it because they can't pay $$$$ for it, yet they need it. Managers and IT people want software that is reasonably priced without licensing hassles. (except in my case I guess) I'll bet that a lot of people would like the Open Source or Free Software philosophy if it was explained to them. They probably won't fight for it, or pursue it, but they would choose it. But even if they don't, or are never given the opportunity to, I am damn glad that *I* can choose it. It just needs more support from the people who make software so that the end user can get the programs they want.
D'oh! Here is what I got when I clicked the banner ad:
Dear Internet User,
You are receiving this error page due to a problem with the configuration of the advertisement javascript or html coding. This error is isolated to a specific site or site subsection. We apologize for any inconvience caused.
I am using Opera 7.0, and the banner ad displaying right now in it is: Surf Safely - Opera 7.01s Now Available
So I guess that makes it official. I think I am about to click my first banner ad ever. :-)
Not only that, but there were workarounds for all 5 holes immediately. Four could be taken care of by turning off javascript, and the other could be fixed by modifying a line in one local html file. So I go without javascript for a couple of days until the fixed version comes out, boo-hoo. I am really glad that they implemented better pop-up blocking this time around (ala Moz), but am sad that I can't background skin my browser. Now I am just waiting for the the Linux version...
I have found that about half of the sites that don't work well with Opera can be navigated by just changing the identity of the browser (CTRL+Alt+I). This is because web developers are still stupid, and sometimes the page will render properly, or close enough. Of course, the other half of the time it is really coded to IE. Then there are those maddening pages that don't even let you into their website unless you use IE. That really pisses me off, and usually ends up with me sending a nasty email to the webmaster of that site.
And I still can't get my head around the Opera 7 mail client. Outlook Express ain't perfect, but at least I can find my mail...
I have to use Outlook at work, but for home - pine. Yep, good ol pine. If I am somewhere remote, I can just download putty from the net, ssh into my box, and have my email checked in a matter of minutes. And my mail stays on my machine, no account to set up locally, and it is fasssst. It even handles attachments nicely, at least when I am on my home machine.
Or like having good software that if you don't feel like tweaking it, or don't know how to, someone else probably will if the need is there. After all, we can't ALL modify the code to every program we own. But I am glad that others are able to.
potential sig: My Windows machine is more secure than my Linux machine. My Windows machine is powered off 90% of the time.
How funny and fitting that my post was modded as redundant, seeing as how I linked to the story that my comment was commenting on (not the previous story). So I guess it was truly redundant.
I think this sentence points out something very often overlooked in the Linux vs Windows debate.
Linux doesn't really have a problem in co-existing with Windows. In fact, I am sure that it would be extremely compatible with Windows, if Microsoft would allow it. Microsoft discourages compatibility as a way of maintaining control.
With Linux it seems more like "we know our place, just let us exist and do our thing", but with Microsoft it is "we are the kings, we control everything." There would be no need for Open Office if the connectivity and document formats were open for Word/Excel. You'd have Linux people running MS Office! But no, it is their way, or the highway, so we have chosen the highway.
People complain that OSS is doing nothing innovative and is just copying existing successful projects like Office. Well maybe this time could be better spent by working with Microsoft instead of constantly having to work around them.
(I hope this gets modded up, and people just keep clicking on it)
Place your bets...
None. Don't ask a flawed question that already has the answer you want built-in. I am not telling him how much to donate. But don't sit around and suck his dick just because he donated some money.
Second, Bill has donated MORE (and we are not talking dollars, we are talking RELATIVE net worth) than any the Rockefellors, Carnegie, or any other rich person in history.
You don't get it. $500 million is NOTHING to him. 10% of what? A thousand times more than he will ever be able to spend? That is no sacrifice. What else is he going to do with it, other than donate it? Sure, he could just sit on it, but he wants to be remembered for donating it as well. He didn't call it the AIDS Research Foundation, he called it the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. Yes, he built it, so he can call it whatever he wants - he CHOSE to name it after himself. That is pretty arrogant if you ask me.
All you had to do was read one of many articles published over the past few years regarding his philantropy.
This statement says a lot.
So no, you probably have not donated more precentage wise, especially when considering that BillG can not donate investments - he donates LIQUID, and he has a lot less liquid then his net-worth. A lot of his investments return dividends directly into their foundation.
The money is impressive, not the man. It is absolutely no sacrifice whatsoever for him to part with it. The amounts are absolutely impressive, but his "generousity" is not. Why is that insulting? You are stuck on the amounts of money, when it is probably unfathomable amounts to everyone reading this. What is impressive is when something truly comes from the heart, or is based on principle. It think there are two points here: he has donated a lot of money to very good causes, and THAT will do some good in the world. His act of giving it away is not impressive. They are two totally different things.
Amen to that. I alerted one of my frieds to the latest licensing issue with Turbo Tax, because I knew he used it. His response: If I am unable to install my old copy because I got a new computer, I'll just go buy another copy of it. It is only $25, and you should buy a new version every year anyway.
Now he is a smart guy, and he understood that it was not cool, but for $25 he didn't care. Bottom line is, people don't care that much about "freedom" when it comes to software. Fellow geeks, step back for a second. Step away from everything you know about computers and Open Source ideals. Most people don't think about it like you do. Most people don't think about it at all. You can try to explain it to them, but chances are they won't care.
I was talking to the guy who was installing my dishwasher this past weekend. He asked what I did for a living, and I told him I worked in software. His response was to ask me what kind of laptop his wife should buy. She wanted to get a Dell, but he thought she should get an Apple because she is a schoolteacher, and schools used Apples. I said Dells were good, but he wanted a recommendation of exactly which one to get. *sigh*
People don't get it. And that is OK, I don't expect everyone to get it. But people want convenience, not freedom. How easy is it to get a laptop from Dell? They make it SIMPLE, yet it still wasn't easy enough for this guy. We talk about wanting one with Linux, or no OS on it, and this guy couldn't decide from the few choices that they do have.
Microsoft would probably increase their sales if they did drop the price of Windows to a reasonable level, just like record companies would sell more CDs if they would do the same. And I am not saying this just to get a cheaper product, because even if Windows XP was cheaper, I still wouldn't buy it. But I know a lot of people that would.
Agreed.
Bill and his wife have donated tons of money to shelters/cancer treatment centers/fine arts, etc.
Agreed again.
You may hate his company, but he's donated a helluva lot of his loot.
*Screeeeeeech* *Bang*
What? Hold on. A helluva lot from my perspective, yes. A helluva lot from HIS perspective? Hardly. Look, I am not going to bash them for donating money to good causes, but let's be realistic - I have donated more, *percentage-wise*, than Bill Gates ever will. When you think about it, several million dollars is NOTHING to him. (oh, and his wife). I am happy that he has used some of his money for charity, but in all honesty he hasn't been very generous with it. And he did set up the foundation in his and his wife's name. Sure, he had the right to, but don't make him out to be a saint. He could have avoided the recognition if he wanted to, but I am sure he has a massive ego to feed.
Bill Gates is a successful businessman, pure and simple. He isn't a geek, he isn't a humanitarian. Just as people shouldn't make him out to be some kind of devil, he shouldn't be made into the opposite either.
Or perhaps they could have implemented a grammar checker for you.
Said the anonymous coward.
Not only wouldn't care, probably wouldn't know...
If there is other life in the universe (which I believe there is, simply based on probability) then what are the odds that it would be able to get to Earth, let alone FIND it? To put it in perspective, finding the Earth in the universe would be like finding a specific grain of sand on a beach.
What cracks me up is that anything not immediately explained is assumed to be life from another planet. Where do people come up with this stuff?
At first I thought there would be a stampede of trolls from here to there so that they can post all their lame messages. Then I realized that if it weren't moderated, they wouldn't feel like they were rebelling, and the novelty would wear off. They wouldn't have a "cause" to fight against (evil admins).
Of course, how do you tell the trolls from the actual posters at AICN? I thought I remembered that site, it is the one that gave EpisodeI a good review. I knew then that I would never visit that site again.