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Linux on the iPod
An anonymous reader writes "Linux Devices reports that Linux now runs on an Apple iPod. Further information about the project can be found on the Linux on iPod Website." Still lacks features like power management and firewire support, but it's still a cool project. CT Ok it's a dupe. But it's still neat!
Posted already here *tuts*
"What do you mean you have no ice? Do you expect me to drink this coffee hot?" - Random Customer, Clerks
You don't need to be a Kreskin [amdest.com] to predict Linux on the iPod's future. The hand writing is on the wall: Linux on the iPod faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Linux on the iPod because Linux on the iPod is dying. Things are looking very bad for Linux on the iPod. As many of us are already aware, Linux on the iPod continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Linux on the iPod leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of Linux on the iPod. How many users of Linux on the iPod are there? Let's see. The number of Linux on the iPod versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Linux on the iPod users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of Linux on the iPod posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put Linux on the iPod at about 80 percent of the Linux on the iPod market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Linux on the iPod users. This is consistent with the number of Linux on the iPod Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, Linux on the iPod went out of business and was taken over by Linux on the iPod who sell another troubled OS. Now Linux on the iPod is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that Linux on the iPod has steadily declined in market share. Linux on the iPod is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Linux on the iPod is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. Linux on the iPod continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Linux on the iPod is dead.
Linux on the iPod is dying
Troll 7 of 208 from the annals of the Troll Library .
I wasn't going to troll about this being a dupe ... but I just couldn't help myself. The other story is only a few posts below this one. Ugh.
See here.
uh, it was cool the first time but I'm not sure its so cool as it deserves two entries on the front page!
CDE open sourced! https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
Wow, worse than the media. How about a repost of some intresting articles.
Now THAT has to be some kinda record?
The dupe problem is getting much worse, not better..
The same story HOURS apart.
Arg!
4 stories down on the front page -- is that a new record?
--DrH, the Sandwich with the Ph.D.
... in order to turn off CmdrDupe's posts.
You know it's going to be a slow news day when they're duping articles that are still on the front page! Sheesh...
...but I want to stay on topic, so I will add something.
I like the idea of this, but I am not sure how useful a machine like this is. The viewport is very small [but you can remote X11 in the future, I imagine], you'd have to make your own keyboard/mouse work with the remote, etc.
That being said, using the iPod as a wearable could be interesting
Blocklevel: Practical Information Architecture
Less than 5 hours for a duplicate... and they're on the same page *sigh*
Y reports that Linux now runs on x. Further information about the project can be found on the Linux on x website. Still lacks features like a, b, and c, but it's still a cool project.
of the sixth post on this very page?
ZP
We only can learn from our mistakes.
If there isn't interesting news, talk about something thats not interesting. After a half hour, repeat.
Man, I'm glad I haven't paid for a subscription...
I hear they've got Linux running on the iPod. I think there's an article on Slashdot...
Should we call it Linux on the cloned iPod instead?
You guys are starting to f'ing suck (instead of just plainly suck). Get a grip!
In Soviet Russia, Jesus asks: "What Would You Do?"
may give you hearing aids.
try { do() || do_not(); } catch (JediException err) { yoda(err); }
Don't you ever read your site, you useless asshat?
Don't be a tool. Only a useless asshat would waste his time reading a shitty website like slashdot.
Slashdot is jumping the shark. I'm just driving the boat.
Pss... I'll let you in on a little secret... It's called caffeine. Brew some coffee, read some slashdot, repeat until you are well awake/alert. THEN write your next article.. >=)
Just when you make it idiotproof, some idiot builds a better idiot.
...I can run 2 copies at the same time? :)
Game dev and music blog
People that call other people useless asshat or anything else deserve to be modded down into oblivion.
-- Cheers!
I don't know what the administrator's page looks like, but maybe there should be the following blurb listed every time the mods add a story:
Important Stuff:
Well, I don't know what we can do about the last one... Maybe we need a "bitchslap" command on the mods?
That's it! CmdrTaco is viewing Slashdot on the screen of an iPod running Linux, which is why he never noticed that the story he's about to post was posted a couple of hours ago - the screen is too small to see them!
Ok... this is actually the first time i've posted a negative message (no one of course knows that as I'm too lazy to create an account...) Anyway... good God man... read your own damn site from time to time. This is getting terrible.
wow, just got done reading the first one, hit f5 and I can read it again for the first time
I hate to beat a dead horse but the lack of community leadership and fragmented community seems to be driving peoples to FreeBSD. My FreeBSD projects are already up 25% this year, all those taking away from Linux.
All the best,
--Achmed
Swaribabu Consulting Inc. -- We code so you don't have to
Well, I can't tell, since the site is slashdotted, but does this mean that there's already 2 Linux distros avialible for the Ipod?
Insightful: 76, Off-Topic: 379, Flamebait: 24, Funny: 152, Interesting: 201, Underrated: 55, Troll: 9, Total: 896
Is there an iPod emulator out there?
The dupe problem is getting much worse, not better.. The same story HOURS apart. Arg!
Karma: Bad due to google bombing - Robert Watkins woz 'ere.
[insert obligatory duplicate story joke here]
-Tom
-Tom
My business has been looking for a new terminal server and I think Linux on the iPod might be the answer. I mean just look at those stats. It's the next big thing!
IMO the best browser game ever http://wittyrpg.com
Duuude...staying on topic for even a single reply is just gonna encourage them to post even more dupes - "well, they still discuss the articles, it can't be that bad.." If we make every dupe story nothing more than an endless string of "DUPE" posts and trolls, with not a single tiny shred of redeeming conversation (i.e. nothing more than a total waste of /.'s disk space and bandwidth), *maybe* the ed's will actually take the time to read the last 3 days's stories, all right there on the front page, before they post a dupe.
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. - Aldous Huxley
http://slashdot.org/slashdot.rdf
Now Don't post things which are still in there, At LEAST.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Need some karma... :)
For those of you too lazy to scroll down the main page of slashdot and read the original post...
(*cough* CmdrTaco *cough*)
See screen shots here here and here.
For a bunch of really interesting/informative/insightful/funny comments about Linux on an iPod - check out this link :o)
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include support for playing mp3s, using the controls or accessing the screen. But it _does_ run linux.
:).
In other news, Craftsman is making a new line of hammers made entirely out of wood. No support has been announced for iron or steel heads, either clawed or ball-peen. You can't hammer with them, but they ARE made out of wood.
This was stupid the first time they posted it, too
Hey freaks: now you're ju
whats an asshat?
is it something for those cold winter days?
Troc the eternally perplexed
Troc's dubious podcast and blog: http://www.trocnet.net
Be nice you guys. Yes it's a dupe, but at least they were from different editors. I'm still waiting for that to happen.
Trolling is a art,
Even tho the stories a dupe, i wont bother posting dupes of comments, so heres some i produced earlier.
CmdrTaco is in the running for the role of Jimmy Two-Times for the remake of Goodfellas.
Film at 11
and again at 12.
Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
I just read a story related to this on slashdot, that there's Linux on the iPod. I'm off to go post a story on slashdot about the story I just read on slashdot.
IMO the best browser game ever http://wittyrpg.com
Perhaps we could imagine a beowulf cluster of...Nevermind.
Or is it in Soviet Russia that the story....Nevermind.
Damn, I should try to stop that slashdot addiction.
Maybe taco's trying to hook all the dupes into some unholy cluster of news stories, all the 'this is a dupe' posts linking back to the other, in an evil bid to control the patent on 'Duplicate Posting'. or he's been replaced by the Google News bots.
I hate spyware and spies
from the now-we're-talking again dept.
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
. . . of these.
Karma: Bad due to google bombing - Robert Watkins woz 'ere.
I like that Linux is beeing used on more and more hardware. I even have a TV-encoder which runs Linux 2.2, it acually has a sticker on the side that said that. It is used by Norways largest ISP, so its good to see that Linux is getting a bit more commercialized.
Note to self: get smarter troll to guard door.
Good grief, moderators. Where's your sense of humor? I mean, if the poster was trolling about BSD, then you should mod it down. But he was making a joke! I thought it was pretty stinkin' funny, too.
I don't like to complain about moderation, but this goes to show that everybody should actually read at least some of the post before determining that it fits the "troll template".
Insightful: 76, Off-Topic: 379, Flamebait: 24, Funny: 152, Interesting: 201, Underrated: 55, Troll: 9, Total: 896
Instead of posting on the same story twice, how about posting about the updated iMacs and eMac price cuts? eMac now starts at $999, and iMac tops out at 1GHz with Airport Extreme and Built-in Bluetooth.
"The objective of securing the safety of Americans from crime and terror has been achieved." -- John Ashcroft
I find it interesting that this follows another news article about "What should I do with my life?"
Was I the first to catch it? The world needs to know!
How can they keep insulting us with this irresponsible journalism day after day is beyond me.
sic transit gloria mundi
what is really insane is that linking to a site on slashdot makes it impossible to go to the site.
Place your bets...
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
(I hope this gets modded up, and people just keep clicking on it)
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
It's Open Source. People work on what they want, not what some business wants, or what their manager wants them to work on (for the most part). Not everyone who writes OSS cares about bringing Linux to the masses... maybe they'd just be happy enough to bring it to their iPod.
If you want to move the Linux community towards your vision of progress, you can donate to projects, work on them, or even hire people to do so. Not everyone has to share your vision... but the beauty of it is that you can have your own.
A dupe within 5 hours?
/. in recent months?
And when brought to his attention what does he do? Remove the dupe? Fold the two together? Apologize for being the biggest offender of krunk on
Oh... CT Ok it's a dupe. But it's still neat!
You're right!! It's neat! Please, dupe it more. Let's post this story once every 4 hours! Because it's neat! Hey...how about you dupe all neat stories!
Somebody's ego has blinded his brain.
asshat
--
the strongest word is still the word "free"
When he went to filter out Katz stories he must have set it so that he's filtering everyone but his own.
Or the form os slashdot spam?
Less is more !
All the Slashdot editors/writers/bots (whatever they are) have to do is:
1)Read submissions of stories. A simple keyword comparison could mark likely duplicate stories before they even get delivered to an editor.
2)Put stories on the front page. Again, a simple keyword check on clicking submit would prevent duplicate stories.
AAARRRGGGGH. Combined with the increasing delay between something happening and it appearing on Slashdot and decreasing quality of stories, why do I keep coming back here? For the comments I suppose.
"Wouldn't it be cool if you could run a cluster of these?"
</obligatory stupid joke>
Here's my suggestion, once an editor notes a duplicate story, change its category to "dupe" then allow users to filter out "dupes" from their pages (haven't seen a JonKatz rant in years...). Or would this get rid of too many ad-views?
sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.
the amount of Dups is getting ridiculous
moo.
Rob "Right Hand" Malda reports that the Linux operating system has been successfully ported to the Apple iPod MP3 music player. For more details, visit sourceforge.net, your place for the latest in open source software.
/. "All the news that's fit to replay."
In other news: Chris "Left Hand" Nandor reports that the uClinux group has successfully installed the free operating system, Linux, on Apple Computer's iPod music player.
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Couldn't a bayesian filter be rigged that would give slashdot's "editors" a tool for avoiding dupes like this?
Hmm... Tools for tools, thus avoiding dupes from dupes. What next, new news?! Unthinkable, Absurd.
What I find sad is that the original post is modded down Then it gets modded up as funny as someone critisises the mods. Well I think the original post is a Troll and should be modded as such.....
wholly sh*t. this site is (has become) such a joke.
Yes, it's neat, but it's still a dupe!
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ping -f 255.255.255.255 # if only
From the FAQ:
3.3 Is there a OGG player
The Tremor player is running at about 80% real-time. Apparently an update is on the way so hopefully that will provide some speed-up.
Yeah....it even has a sig admitting it's a troll. Just cos someone critisised the mods, they all jumped on the bandwagon and modded it up like they were told to. Hey this comment is +5 insightful....
I've read on other message boards that the Ipod batteries can't be replaced. Does it mean that the ipod is in fact disposable? Has slashdot ever covered this?
A man can smile and smile and yet still be a villian. Should we not attribute malice where incompetence will do?
Can we compare free software to propriatory software elswhere to imagine where this will go?
Propriatory software:
Free software
So what you have is a 10 gigabyte system that you can walk around with running free software. While MP3 is a propriatory format, OGG will work just fine with 10 gigs. What kind of interface does it have? Fire wire? USB? I can imagine all sorts of cool things you can do with that, such as rig any piece of hardware you want to it. The thing that is staring you in the face is that linux was ported to the device in the first place.
Craftsman is making a new line of hammers made entirely out of wood.
You are not looking at a wooden hammer in the iron age, you are looking at a V2 in the age of black powder and cannons. While you are busy thinking about busting down walls with projectiles, others are figuring out how to get to Mars.
DMCA, Hollings, Palladium. What might have sounded like paranoia is now common sense.
iPod + Ogg Vorbis = Kick Ass!!
If Apple won't do it, then let the OSS community hack at it. Either way, we get what we want from this. See the quote in my .sig and see who's eating the core right now. Part of the greatness of open source is the freedom to do what you want with it, whether it benefits the whole community, benefits only yourself, or is purely done for the geek factor. That is the freedom (as in speech) if this software. This may not be good for Linux as a whole in the long run, but it sure is good for those of us who want to use other music formats on our iPods and not have to be subjected to Apple's whim.
Cheers. :)
"Empathise with stupidity, and you're halfway to thinking like an idiot." - Iain M. Banks
Alright!! Linux is running on an iPod! This means we can... uh...
How the freak can you troll on a story that's a dupe!? Besides it's more funny than it is s troll.
IMO the best browser game ever http://wittyrpg.com
has wired.com covered it yet?
... I think the author of Foxtrot reads Slashdot.
. gif
Check out today's (02-04-03) cartoon.
http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ft/2003/ft030204
You loser.
George W. Bush: Too stupid to know any better.
he's a helluva lot smarter than you think. and most likely you too. just because he doesn't buy into that psuedo-scientific crap about global warming, just because he knows the UN is a farce (libya chairs human rights comm., syria chairs security, iran/q co chair disarmament, puh-f***ing-lease), just because we should proceed with a missle defense shield because countries like n. korea might just push a button or two, because he thinks that life (as easily verified by two ultrasounds on my two children can prove) begins in the womb,and that abortion is murder, and just because he thinks that hard working people should keep their income and not have it stolen by the government, and redistributed to lazy mf'ers, doesn't make him stupid.
disagree with him. fine. attack him, you look like an idiot. and besides, clinton was as smart a POTUS as we've had, and what a piece of shit. no, sadly the left has nothing left but ad hominem attacks. posting anon because it is off topic. ah screw that, i have plenty of karma.
My problem? I was perfectly gruntled, until some numbnuts came by and dissed me.
Maybe implement a system similar to BugZilla, and then use it? Not that it works too well for them...
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won..." ~ Mohandas K. Gandhi
Is it possible for apple to bring some sort of DMCA related charges to this project? Not that I think this would happen, but is it possible since they mention that the iPod's architecture is closed sourced?
Kind of stupid to use a software mp3 player when somewhere there is a chip that plays an mp3 directly. Must get a horrible battery life with MAD. Still, there are interesting uses for 10G drive and firewire port.
iRIP - connect directly to a firewire CD drive and siphon off the tracks
iBurn - well
iSwap - connect to another iPOD and synchronize music collections.
The GBA (Game Boy Advance) has exactly the same CPU that the iPod: an ARM7TDMI @ 16.78 MHz. Moreover the GBA developpers community is quite active and the architecture of the console is well documented. However linux has not yet been ported to this game console... I predict the ipodlinux project will spawn the gbalinux project :-)
The reason this story was posted to the front page twice is that people like me, who have all the (Apple) topics blocked from view (this is supposed to be a geek/hacker website, for gods sake!) will still see news about it. I scrolled down the front page and no, I didn't see the first posting of the story.
(I know, mod this to flamebait. Anything that picks on Apple should be marked flamebait because Apple zealots are such little torchboys.)
get the opportunity to moderate frontpage stories...
-1 Redundant
For the reasonable fee of $10 per story, I am offering my services to the editors of /. as a proofreader and duplicate checker. Additionally, I will assist if necessary (at a negotiable hourly rate) in adding code to automatically send the article blurbs to my wireless device. I am unable to proofread overnight, so that will have to be covered by another shift, or written off as "happy slashdot error time."
I cannot guarantee 100% error correction, but I will stake my job on significantly decreased rates of grammar and spelling mistakes, and far fewer dupes.
I would also like a T-shirt that says "I work for slashdot".
Please, for the sake of your readers, hire me. I want to help!
WTF good is Linux on the iPod without 1394 support?
That's like Windows not having Ethernet support.
Hello?! *sigh*
It ain't insightful, but it is funny. There's no requirement that a troll can't be funny or insightful. I think it's funny. It's a troll that's also a finger pointing and laughing at both trolls and the bandwagon crowd. Kudos to the poster.
Since it's possible to run TCP/IP over FireWire...
imagine a Beowulf cluster of these things.
I am waiting for the day the Taco not only posts the dupe, but the original as well.
congratulations to "An anonymous reader", today's dupe story winner. This dedicated anon was able to get a duplicate of the story while the original was on the front page. excellent work. next time, try to submit the story as a registered user so that you can take credit for the dupe.
today's dupe loser is CmdrTaco. i don't blame ya, taco. if my company was acquired for what is now probably 3 dollars' worth of stock options, i wouldn't give a fuck either.
want MORE dupes on slashdot?
and the beauty of Slashdot is that none of it even has to be true!
Manipulate the moderator system! Mod someone as "overrated" today.
...is wrong... marching in lockstep to hell, fella. I just hope the gates are open when you get there, as we'd hate for you to have to wait to get in. May you come back as a woman, become pregnant by rape and fall into the hands of an incompetent abortionist.
Must be... only answer to the dup. Mac user's rarely care about content... it's all the package.
funny to see how this guy mocks the slashdot effect with two lines
Monday 4th Feb 2003
* Thanks for visiting slashdotters!
of course, he is under the sourceforge effect
Linux on the toothbrush. The Gillette Company and Red Hat Inc. have announced a partnership to bring Linux to the Oral-B and Braun product lines. The first planned release will be the Braun Oral-B Penguin 3D Excel. It will feature a 1" LCD with two USB ports on the base of the toothbrush for peripherals, and be based on Red Hat 7.2. The machine will be based on the Crusoe TM5800 processor using 32MB of ram. Gillette and Red Hat are hoping this will launch Linux into the realm of the personal hygiene market. The next products will be the Braun Syncro Penguin EX. It will be built upon the same platform as the Penguin 3D Excel but will also feature bluetooth support and 802.11B wireless for communication over your home network for software updates.
And WE get modded as redundant....
Sheesh
I don't like to complain about moderation, but this goes to show that everybody should actually read at least some of the post before determining that it fits the "troll template".
But, dude. It's LITERALLY a template. The find and replace just looked for "\*BSD" I bet. Didn't even replace FreeBSD. It's a copy-paste job. Not funny. We've seen it before. Wtf does theo have to do with ipods? or linux? And walnut creek?!
Uncreative trolls suck ass. In my day, we used to write our own trolls. You kids these days, with your prewritten trolls.... It's fukcing sad, thats what it is.
It works! You got modded to oblivion!
-- Cheers!
Now comes the story about the 3000 iPod beowolf cluster...
You'd think all the people clammoring "It's a dupe!" would realize that there are already 40 other comments saying just that...
Oh, the irony of it all...
Stop wasting my time CmdrFlogNuts and fuckin read your own site for a change and
STOP POSTING DUPES!
dickhed.
Yeah! Look at the mindshare Linux on the iPod is gaining... Two stories in one day on /. about it!
Mark V. Shaney ?
--- "I didn't think anyone would understand it" -Prof. Bob Muller
It may seem trivial, but the idea of being able to load Linux on various devices ultimatly makes sense. Just recently on /. an article was posted about IBM considering Linux as a replacement to AIX.
Now just consider many different devices running various configurations of what is essentially the same core IO kernel.... imagine how easily it will be to connect Mainframes to PC's, PC's to iPod's, IPod's to your car's diagnostics computer, etc....
Yes, it may seem a bit quirky right now, but it's little steps like this which eventually add up to one large step which makes data become easier and easier to transfer and share from one place to another.
-Cnik
I wonder what sort of effect duplicate articles have on the Slashdot Effect? I'm looking forward to that essay.
Yet another in a long line of projects designed to ruin something by slapping Linux on it. Now you too can go from XBox to paperweight with one simple install!
There's plenty of possibilities for added functionality for the iPod, some i'd like to see are: Couple of things I can suggest: - Space Invaders- that scroll wheel is a perfect input device for more games. - use of firewire to connect ipod to Playstation 2's i.link port. Hard drive and use in conjuction with Playstation DIVX player. Also could be used with Playstation Linux - Finally, with an mplayer port and a hacked firewire cable that could give video out (or audio and video through the audio out) you would have a mean DIVX player. Hook it up to any tv or monitor and enjoy 20gigs of movies!
I have the worlds first iPod cluster successfully running in my basement.
When the Apple IIc was introduced, the informative copy led off with a couple
of asterisked sentences:
It weighs less than 8 pounds.*
And costs less than $1,300.**
In tiny type were these "fuller explanations":
* Don't asterisks make you suspicious as all get out? Well, all
this means is that the IIc alone weights 7.5 pounds. The power
pack, monitor, an extra disk drive, a printer and several bricks
will make the IIc weigh more. Our lawyers were concerned that you
might not be able to figure this out for yourself.
** The FTC is concerned about price fixing. You can pay more if
you really want to. Or less.
-- Forbes
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