Stop crying, Slashdot! I'm already full of hearing this. USA (using IMF and other tools) has imposed market openness in every country they could control, telling it was the solution for all of our problems.
Now you are feeling just a glympse of what means free market when you have a HUGE competitor. Now shutup, and start learning to grow potatoes, because we already did that to survive when there is no job.
You people in the USA might not know this. But the FTAA (know as ALCA in the spanish-speaking countries) has a LOT of other bad sides.
The FTAA would finish the destruction of our national industries because in a so uneven relationship of markets and industries, our little, poor countries will have no chance to compete and to *trade*. We will just open the door to american goods in detriment of our underdeveloped industries. Remember, we are the third world.
I also have to note that the states aren't making any sense with this, because america imposes very heavy anti-trade subsidies to its own goods (primarily farm production) which clearly wipes out any free trade or competition to our exportations.
Please, the good-will people, start checking out the consecuencies of your government's policies if you dare to care about poor people, human rights and democracy. You would say what this has to do with free trade? Well, as the dominance of big foreign corporations increases in our countries, the quality of life, the faith on democracy as a way of increasing the QoL, and the primary rights to be educated, be cured, or simply to eat, are going down. And this could be verified just by looking at the last 30 years history.
For those wondering, I'm from Argentina; the lately bankrupted country.
I also had the same problems as you when I started using GNU/Linux, but I didn't take the problem of reading a book on the topic. When I read "The UNIX programming environment" (Pike & Thomson I think) I saw the light. And this is a book I recommend to any programmer not familiar with UNIX to start with.
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Your arguments seems like the ones you will read on a Superman comic, you people can't be sooo gullible...
Hey, you've got some fucking expensive universities and all there...
If you look carefully, the estimated reserves of oil for the whole world are about 1213 x 10^9 barrels. Iraq has the third position (after Saudi Arabia and Canada) with about 10% (112 x 10^9) of the total reserves of the world. If that seems little to you, then may be you are retarded
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Thank you for answering this idiot with some clue.
I will also add some interventions of the US:
Almost any country in southamerica had its sovereign and democratically-elected government replaced with a military dictatorship, all of them promoted from the US, all of them defeated human rights.
Here in argentina we had 30k people dissappeared (torturated , killed and their body hidden) by a government which the US supported.
Remember Panamá, do you know why Panamá exists as an independent country?
And I'm forgetting about Haití, República Dominicana and Nicaragua. The three were occupied by the US forces: 19, 9 and 21 years respectively. After that bloody dictatorships were enforced: Duvalier, Trujillo and Somoza. Oh yeah, ol' good democracy!
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Some 20 or 30 years ago, I can't recall now, Iraq was US's ally; that was the time when Iraq gained some bad-ass guns kindly selled by the USA.
I would not say that Saddam is a good guy, neither deny the invasion of Kuwait, the dictatorship, etc. That has nothing to do with *your* security. It could not endanger nobody outside mid-east.
> Somtimes the policies of the world must be backed up with force
OK, the policies of the world asks you kindly to destroy all of your WMD, pleeease. Oh, and to stop polluting the globe, not to mention the international court, which YOUR nazi governor is forcing small countries to refuse it. Why? because in the IC YOUR war crimes could be punished. Also, have you heard of human rights? then, why the fuck did your government helped Videla (argentina's dictator during the 70's, responsible of 30K+ murders) during so much time?
Please, you give me some interesting fact to deal with.
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Freedom? What freedom are you talking about?
You bush-supporting americans make me sick. Your freedom has NOTHING to do with Iraq, was is about Iraq is oil and nothing but oil, are you stupid or what?
Please, please, please, explain me how your freedom is affected by Saddam's regime? And now tell me about the iraq's people freedom? Do you care about democracy and all... and freedom? freedom to live? freedom to let the bastard of Saddam be in power, but it is THEIRS problem. Sure, the international community could help, with diplomatic pressure and that.But please explain me how the fuck 1000 bomb over the people and then an invasion -followed by the implantation of a puppet regime, as you did all over the world- will give them freedom?
You are SO full of shit.
PS: hope the Iraq's soldiers and civilians show your baby-killing-marines some guts and this becomes another Vietnam.
I really don't know why more people haven't commented on this...
I had similar thoughts when I had seen Musicbrainz some months before.
I have a huge collection of MP3 from my CDs, in my home and in my computer at work and I wanted a scheme to uniquely identify each track so I could build a storage based on these IDs and then have a database which formed albums, recopilations, etc. pointing to the IDs. This wuold permit me of modifying things like track name without touching the original file. This way, I could keep syncronized copyies of the music in my computers without having to transfer the whole file just to fix a badly written name,
I could generate random IDs. but that would prohibit me from sharing the metadata with friends who have the same albums. Musicbrainz and TRM seemed the perfect solution. But I would not rather base my work on an tagging technology which is not local (TRM has to access the relatable server), nor it is assured to be free (as you pointed in your post). To make things worse, the related data that music brainz is about to start to build (commentaries en CDs et al) would not be under the GPL or something like that, so they acn (and will) sell that data to commercial proyects and I don't like that.
If someone know about a (free) scheme to uniquely tag music based on accoustics or something like that, please point it out, I will really appreciate that.
Terrorism on American soil? This must not be tolerated.
So, tell me why you all patriotic "americans" (hey, I'm not from the USA, but I'm american too... No, I'm an idiot, the only americans in the whole continent are the states' people) had tolerated for decades terrorism made by your army and politicians in countries all around the world?
<BLOCKQUOTE>It's time for Sheriff Uncle Same to ride into town, and kick some bad-guy ass.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, fine, you're always the good guys and the rest of the world bad guys.. Stop watching western movies.
So, that's the reason why U.S. nuked Hiroshima, killing uncountable civilians? OK, now I'm getting the idea.. Couldn't this be the retaliation for Hiroshima? It would be a very small retaliation.. In Hiroshima the damages weren't just the immediate killing, but also the long-term killing by radiation.
Did you say accidentally bombing civilians in Irak? You're sooo childish. The US Army did NEVER care a damn about civilian lifes. Think Irak, Vietnam, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Panamá, and all the killings sponsored by the US, like the ones in southamerica during the 1970's..
Ive done it at work a year ago... But in Argentina you have some few differences:
- The dry lines cost 3000 dollars to install. (the monthly fee es about $50)
- Telefonica will give you the POORER lines they can get, because they dont want you to use them for anything useful.
Ive tried HDSL but it didt even got the out-of-band management channel.
When I got tired of trying and shouting to the telco people, I throwed a pair of 33,6Kbps US Robotics
Well, call me idiot, but I didn't know it was beta at the time... You have the option of using reiser in the installer and you're not warned, I fall into knowing it was too beta by reading the developers' list and by my own experience. In fact, I think Linus shouldn't have included Reiser in 2.4.
I've tested reiser at home for a couple of months and it worked just fine, and also it did at work. The problems came when I first tried to upgrade the kernel of my computer at home and it never booted again.
It's supposed that Mandrake tests its software before going "stable", if I had to test all the packages on my own, then I don't need any distro..
I would like to copy the comment I've just posted to Mandrake Forum:
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I didn't test this release, and I think I wouldn't even try mdk 8.1. I'm too tired from problems with Mandrake. Specially with upgrades, I've trashed my computer twice: upgrading 7.1 to 7.2, and later upgrading 7.2 to 8.0. Both times I ended with MANY problems, for example, with the upgrade to 8.0 you folks decided to change packages names, and didn't have any precaution with that. So, before the libs for some package came included in the "main" rpm and the development stuff came in the "devel" rpm. Now, the libs came in the "lib" package, so yada.rpm won't install because it required yada-lib.rpm and my computer didn't have that package before. So the system kept yada-old.rpm which won't run with new glibc and that.. So I had to install/upgrade about 200 rpms by hand.
Also, I had infinite problems with ReiserFS because you included it when it was WAY too beta in 7.1, and then never checked if the filesystems created under 7.1 would run with a kernel upgrade. Well, it would not. I had to spend many days in the reiserfs developers list to find out how to fix the problem. And I did the big mistake of installing mdk 7.1 with reiserfs on many of my servers at work.
For ending this long rant, I would comment that in 7.1 pam had a structure which didn't used the "pam_stack.so service=system-auth" trick. And when you upgraded SSH for a security problem, you sent the 7.1 upgrade with a/etc/pam.d/sshd file which required the system-auth file. The result: I can no longer ssh to any of the upgraded boxes. At the same time there wasn't any upgrade for PAM available at the time, and the 7.2 rpm used a diffrent version of RPM so them were incompatibles, so I had to create/etc/pam.d/system-auth by copying it from newer boxes.
Mandrake folks: you made a beautiful and easy to use distribution, but you aren't paying any attention to reliability, nor upgradability.
I suspect many people now will have problems with XFS and ext3 as I had with ReiserFS.
PD: AND PLEASE: document in the package itself when it has non standard patches. I mean, specially, kernel. But also on others, for example CVS: nowhere it says that it has a shell script wrapper to pserver!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been using jserv for a while, but GNUJSP is a pain in the ass. So I wanted to upgrade to Tomcat which is supposed to be the natural option. What I found? A mess of configuration files (in XML format, many of them), bad organized packages and a replacement for make!!!!
Once more time I find that java developers don't give a damn about the sistem they are running on, it a nightmare for administrators, but is the easy way for them.
Well, if the americans hadn't wars is because they made them outside their frontiers. But USA had invaded many countries, especially the ones which offered more freedom to their citizens (americans see freedom as "communism threat").
If you want "safety, freedom, and quality of life" go to europe... But remember that if you ask for too much safety you lose the other two.
What I can't understand is what you americans call freedom... McCarthy comes to my mind, for example... That was a sample of the USA freedom? Or you think freedom is do what your ass want to with another countries?
Well, in fact, those key players are already fragmenting linux in some way. If you look at the SRPMs of the kernel shipped from Mandrake, you'll find a lot of unofficial patches.
It's not exactly fragmenting but you end getting incompatible systems because the default behaviour is modified. (eg. "secure" kernel, which limits access to/proc)
I don't know how you call the mix of the subject (we call it natural gas). It's cheaper than gasoline (in Argentina it's > $1 per liter of gasoline, you americans have all easy), it's waste is water and CO2, and the cost for converting the car is under $1000 (here). We have an extensive network of stations and you can do very long travels for 1/3 of the cost and no pollution.
In europe, they are using liquid gas (a heavier mix of the former 3 compounds which can be liquidified) and it has more advantages: smaller and ligther tanks and more autonomy.
If you keep using gasoline it's because you have it cheap, because you have the power to what your dumb asses want...
But for the ones who live out of the states the April, 1st means nothing, except for a religious festivity and non-working day which this year falls into the 1st a 2nd of April. So, when you enter slashdot and see all that things you almost believe it!!!
You not only agreed with other three really big sites of the community to fuck us up, but also with metalab!
The good thing about all this, is it's already started, and I guess this couldn't ever stop since now (except for a nuclear war, but I prefer to don't take that in mind).
So, Uncle Sam will not have the opportunity to stop the colonies from taking advantadge of Open/Free software, freedom of speech -with many ways of making it really anonymous-, and the enormous amount of cultural and educational sources.
Imagine any of the poor countries (like mine) of America just not using M$ soft again! And not paying a cent to Gates nor any of the multinational enterprises that sucks our blood!
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I also think that cross-server messaging is not working. If they don't enable that, I'm SO not using it....
"Your job and 830,000 others are gone."
Stop crying, Slashdot! I'm already full of hearing this. USA (using IMF and other tools) has imposed market openness in every country they could control, telling it was the solution for all of our problems.
Now you are feeling just a glympse of what means free market when you have a HUGE competitor. Now shutup, and start learning to grow potatoes, because we already did that to survive when there is no job.
You people in the USA might not know this. But the FTAA (know as ALCA in the spanish-speaking countries) has a LOT of other bad sides.
The FTAA would finish the destruction of our national industries because in a so uneven relationship of markets and industries, our little, poor countries will have no chance to compete and to *trade*. We will just open the door to american goods in detriment of our underdeveloped industries. Remember, we are the third world.
I also have to note that the states aren't making any sense with this, because america imposes very heavy anti-trade subsidies to its own goods (primarily farm production) which clearly wipes out any free trade or competition to our exportations.
Please, the good-will people, start checking out the consecuencies of your government's policies if you dare to care about poor people, human rights and democracy. You would say what this has to do with free trade? Well, as the dominance of big foreign corporations increases in our countries, the quality of life, the faith on democracy as a way of increasing the QoL, and the primary rights to be educated, be cured, or simply to eat, are going down. And this could be verified just by looking at the last 30 years history.
For those wondering, I'm from Argentina; the lately bankrupted country.
I will point out something basic.
I also had the same problems as you when I started using GNU/Linux, but I didn't take the problem of reading a book on the topic. When I read "The UNIX programming environment" (Pike & Thomson I think) I saw the light. And this is a book I recommend to any programmer not familiar with UNIX to start with.
Your arguments seems like the ones you will read on a Superman comic, you people can't be sooo gullible...
Hey, you've got some fucking expensive universities and all there...
I did a little research (it took about 60 seconds) and find this (note the .gov suffix)
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/reserves .html
If you look carefully, the estimated reserves of oil for the whole world are about 1213 x 10^9 barrels. Iraq has the third position (after Saudi Arabia and Canada) with about 10% (112 x 10^9) of the total reserves of the world. If that seems little to you, then may be you are retarded
Thank you for answering this idiot with some clue.
I will also add some interventions of the US:
Almost any country in southamerica had its sovereign and democratically-elected government replaced with a military dictatorship, all of them promoted from the US, all of them defeated human rights.
Here in argentina we had 30k people dissappeared (torturated , killed and their body hidden) by a government which the US supported.
Remember Panamá, do you know why Panamá exists as an independent country?
And I'm forgetting about Haití, República Dominicana and Nicaragua. The three were occupied by the US forces: 19, 9 and 21 years respectively. After that bloody dictatorships were enforced: Duvalier, Trujillo and Somoza. Oh yeah, ol' good democracy!
Some 20 or 30 years ago, I can't recall now, Iraq was US's ally; that was the time when Iraq gained some bad-ass guns kindly selled by the USA.
I would not say that Saddam is a good guy, neither deny the invasion of Kuwait, the dictatorship, etc. That has nothing to do with *your* security. It could not endanger nobody outside mid-east.
> Somtimes the policies of the world must be backed up with force
OK, the policies of the world asks you kindly to destroy all of your WMD, pleeease. Oh, and to stop polluting the globe, not to mention the international court, which YOUR nazi governor is forcing small countries to refuse it. Why? because in the IC YOUR war crimes could be punished. Also, have you heard of human rights? then, why the fuck did your government helped Videla (argentina's dictator during the 70's, responsible of 30K+ murders) during so much time?
Please, you give me some interesting fact to deal with.
Freedom? What freedom are you talking about?
You bush-supporting americans make me sick. Your freedom has NOTHING to do with Iraq, was is about Iraq is oil and nothing but oil, are you stupid or what?
Please, please, please, explain me how your freedom is affected by Saddam's regime? And now tell me about the iraq's people freedom? Do you care about democracy and all... and freedom? freedom to live? freedom to let the bastard of Saddam be in power, but it is THEIRS problem. Sure, the international community could help, with diplomatic pressure and that.But please explain me how the fuck 1000 bomb over the people and then an invasion -followed by the implantation of a puppet regime, as you did all over the world- will give them freedom?
You are SO full of shit.
PS: hope the Iraq's soldiers and civilians show your baby-killing-marines some guts and this becomes another Vietnam.
I really don't know why more people haven't commented on this...
I had similar thoughts when I had seen Musicbrainz some months before.
I have a huge collection of MP3 from my CDs, in my home and in my computer at work and I wanted a scheme to uniquely identify each track so I could build a storage based on these IDs and then have a database which formed albums, recopilations, etc. pointing to the IDs. This wuold permit me of modifying things like track name without touching the original file. This way, I could keep syncronized copyies of the music in my computers without having to transfer the whole file just to fix a badly written name,
I could generate random IDs. but that would prohibit me from sharing the metadata with friends who have the same albums. Musicbrainz and TRM seemed the perfect solution. But I would not rather base my work on an tagging technology which is not local (TRM has to access the relatable server), nor it is assured to be free (as you pointed in your post). To make things worse, the related data that music brainz is about to start to build (commentaries en CDs et al) would not be under the GPL or something like that, so they acn (and will) sell that data to commercial proyects and I don't like that.
If someone know about a (free) scheme to uniquely tag music based on accoustics or something like that, please point it out, I will really appreciate that.
martin@NOSPAM.mrfussion.com.ar
I only want to say that here in Argentina are a lot of qualified programmers without a job, and the currency exchange is very benefical for USA.
Very good.. Go ahead and moderate down comment which disagree with the fascist, shirt-sigthed view of many of the ./ readers.
./
There are a LOT of interesting posts which where moderated down, and a LOT of idiotic posts moderated up.
This shows me the kind of people read
So, tell me why you all patriotic "americans" (hey, I'm not from the USA, but I'm american too... No, I'm an idiot, the only americans in the whole continent are the states' people) had tolerated for decades terrorism made by your army and politicians in countries all around the world?
<BLOCKQUOTE>It's time for Sheriff Uncle Same to ride into town, and kick some bad-guy ass.
</BLOCKQUOTE>
Yeah, fine, you're always the good guys and the rest of the world bad guys.. Stop watching western movies.
More humane to drop nukes on civilians? You're so sick.
So, that's the reason why U.S. nuked Hiroshima, killing uncountable civilians? OK, now I'm getting the idea.. Couldn't this be the retaliation for Hiroshima? It would be a very small retaliation.. In Hiroshima the damages weren't just the immediate killing, but also the long-term killing by radiation.
Did you say accidentally bombing civilians in Irak? You're sooo childish. The US Army did NEVER care a damn about civilian lifes. Think Irak, Vietnam, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Panamá, and all the killings sponsored by the US, like the ones in southamerica during the 1970's..
Ive done it at work a year ago... But in Argentina you have some few differences:
- The dry lines cost 3000 dollars to install. (the monthly fee es about $50)
- Telefonica will give you the POORER lines they can get, because they dont want you to use them for anything useful.
Ive tried HDSL but it didt even got the out-of-band management channel.
When I got tired of trying and shouting to the telco people, I throwed a pair of 33,6Kbps US Robotics
FUCK Telefonica
Well, call me idiot, but I didn't know it was beta at the time... You have the option of using reiser in the installer and you're not warned, I fall into knowing it was too beta by reading the developers' list and by my own experience. In fact, I think Linus shouldn't have included Reiser in 2.4.
I've tested reiser at home for a couple of months and it worked just fine, and also it did at work. The problems came when I first tried to upgrade the kernel of my computer at home and it never booted again.
It's supposed that Mandrake tests its software before going "stable", if I had to test all the packages on my own, then I don't need any distro..
Your reply makes me ask: why do we have a package manager if we cant just update??
And I answer: because the packages are POORLY done.
If you upgrade SSH (as I did) with the official security upgrade and it messes up ssh, then the problem is the packagers.
Nah, I've jumped from RedHat more than one year ago. I didn't liked it too much, but I don't remember why :-)
Now I'm switching to debian, and I'm loving it!
I would like to copy the comment I've just posted to Mandrake Forum:
/etc/pam.d/sshd file which required the system-auth file. The result: I can no longer ssh to any of the upgraded boxes. At the same time there wasn't any upgrade for PAM available at the time, and the 7.2 rpm used a diffrent version of RPM so them were incompatibles, so I had to create /etc/pam.d/system-auth by copying it from newer boxes.
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I didn't test this release, and I think I wouldn't even try mdk 8.1. I'm too tired from problems with Mandrake. Specially with upgrades, I've trashed my computer twice: upgrading 7.1 to 7.2, and later upgrading 7.2 to 8.0. Both times I ended with MANY problems, for example, with the upgrade to 8.0 you folks decided to change packages names, and didn't have any precaution with that. So, before the libs for some package came included in the "main" rpm and the development stuff came in the "devel" rpm. Now, the libs came in the "lib" package, so yada.rpm won't install because it required yada-lib.rpm and my computer didn't have that package before. So the system kept yada-old.rpm which won't run with new glibc and that.. So I had to install/upgrade about 200 rpms by hand.
Also, I had infinite problems with ReiserFS because you included it when it was WAY too beta in 7.1, and then never checked if the filesystems created under 7.1 would run with a kernel upgrade. Well, it would not. I had to spend many days in the reiserfs developers list to find out how to fix the problem. And I did the big mistake of installing mdk 7.1 with reiserfs on many of my servers at work.
For ending this long rant, I would comment that in 7.1 pam had a structure which didn't used the "pam_stack.so service=system-auth" trick. And when you upgraded SSH for a security problem, you sent the 7.1 upgrade with a
Mandrake folks: you made a beautiful and easy to use distribution, but you aren't paying any attention to reliability, nor upgradability.
I suspect many people now will have problems with XFS and ext3 as I had with ReiserFS.
PD: AND PLEASE: document in the package itself when it has non standard patches. I mean, specially, kernel. But also on others, for example CVS: nowhere it says that it has a shell script wrapper to pserver!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been using jserv for a while, but GNUJSP is a pain in the ass. So I wanted to upgrade to Tomcat which is supposed to be the natural option. What I found? A mess of configuration files (in XML format, many of them), bad organized packages and a replacement for make!!!!
Once more time I find that java developers don't give a damn about the sistem they are running on, it a nightmare for administrators, but is the easy way for them.
I really HATE java.
Well, if the americans hadn't wars is because they made them outside their frontiers. But USA had invaded many countries, especially the ones which offered more freedom to their citizens (americans see freedom as "communism threat").
If you want "safety, freedom, and quality of life" go to europe... But remember that if you ask for too much safety you lose the other two.
What I can't understand is what you americans call freedom... McCarthy comes to my mind, for example... That was a sample of the USA freedom? Or you think freedom is do what your ass want to with another countries?
Well, in fact, those key players are already fragmenting linux in some way. If you look at the SRPMs of the kernel shipped from Mandrake, you'll find a lot of unofficial patches. /proc)
It's not exactly fragmenting but you end getting incompatible systems because the default behaviour is modified. (eg. "secure" kernel, which limits access to
I don't know how you call the mix of the subject (we call it natural gas). It's cheaper than gasoline (in Argentina it's > $1 per liter of gasoline, you americans have all easy), it's waste is water and CO2, and the cost for converting the car is under $1000 (here). We have an extensive network of stations and you can do very long travels for 1/3 of the cost and no pollution.
In europe, they are using liquid gas (a heavier mix of the former 3 compounds which can be liquidified) and it has more advantages: smaller and ligther tanks and more autonomy.
If you keep using gasoline it's because you have it cheap, because you have the power to what your dumb asses want...
You are the greatest, people!
But for the ones who live out of the states the April, 1st means nothing, except for a religious festivity and non-working day which this year falls into the 1st a 2nd of April.
So, when you enter slashdot and see all that things you almost believe it!!!
You not only agreed with other three really big sites of the community to fuck us up, but also with metalab!
Love you, folks!
The good thing about all this, is it's already started, and I guess this couldn't ever stop since now (except for a nuclear war, but I prefer to don't take that in mind).
So, Uncle Sam will not have the opportunity to stop the colonies from taking advantadge of Open/Free software, freedom of speech -with many ways of making it really anonymous-, and the enormous amount of cultural and educational sources.
Imagine any of the poor countries (like mine) of America just not using M$ soft again! And not paying a cent to Gates nor any of the multinational enterprises that sucks our blood!
Viva la revolución!