Apparently you can't handle it either, or do more than skim TFA.
You: "No scripting support in windows 2000 because it also includes a GUI? Are you fucking stupid or what?"
From the article: "There are, indeed, many non-GUI administrative programs provided in the core Windows 2000 product and in the Resource Kit. The problem is that the collection is somewhat arbitrary, incoherent and inconsistent. Programs seem to have been written to fill an immediate need and there is stylistic inconsistency and poor feature coverage."
You: "They moved because Windows 2000 was faster and more efficient."
Article: "The conversion of the Hotmail web servers to Windows is an ongoing project with several rationales. The team was hoping for better utilization of the existing hardware resources. The superior development and internationalization tools are important. A Microsoft property should eat its own dogfood. Finally, we wished to use the conversion experience as a model for other UNIX conversions that we hope to carry out in the future."
You: "It is obviously stable as any honest person running W2K/XP can tell you."
Article: "2) Reputation for stability. Both the UNIX kernel, and the design techniques it encourages, are renowned for stability. A system of several thousand servers must run reliably and without intervention to restart failed systems. For Windows 2000, we must first prove the stability in the same environment, and we must then convince the rest of the world."
If it's so obvious, to 'any honest person', why do they have to try and convince anyone at all?
You: "That W2K is not utterly and totally flawed and that it actually is a real competitor for other Server OSes. Once you accept this you can drop the zealous approach and do things in a logic, calm and professional manner."
Getting people who have been repeatedly burned to accept this is a Microsoft problem, not mine. In the meantime, I will continue to use superior software in a quite logical, calm and professional manner.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that is the root of the problems in the US business world today. Executives who think that since it's all just money or 'just business', breaking the law is OK. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. This is not about a matter of degree. You are still a criminal regardless of whether you pickpocketed or murdered. You are still put in cuffs and toted downtown. The punishment is the only thing that varies. Spend time in prison, and you are an ex-con. Tax evasion or murder makes no difference.
Lot's of people claim that anti-MS sentiment is just sour eggs/jealousy of Gates and his success. I've always held that this was bullshit due to having a myriad of reasons to hate the company that have nothing to do with Gates himself. Now I find myself thinking the same thing, only it's of people throwing rocks at RMS. He is, if no longer _the_, certainly _a_ principal GNU developer. Where exactly has he claimed he's the principal Linux kernel developer? Credit where it's due, Linux as we know it would not exist but for the earlier efforts of RMS. So what are you're real reasons for not liking him? The way he looks? Because GNU/Linux sounds stupid? How he won't back down from his ideals? What?
------- from gnu.org:
Richard Stallman
Biography
Richard Stallman is the founder of the GNU Project, launched in 1984 to develop the free operating system, GNU.
Richard Stallman is the principal author of the GNU C Compiler, the GNU symbolic debugger (GDB), GNU Emacs, and various other GNU programs. Stallman currently serves as president of the Free Software Foundation.
Linux and GNU/Linux
The GNU Hurd is not ready for production use. Fortunately, another kernel is available. In 1991, Linus Torvalds developed a Unix-compatible kernel and called it Linux. Around 1992, combining Linux with the not-quite-complete GNU system resulted in a complete free operating system. (Combining them was a substantial job in itself, of course.) It is due to Linux that we can actually run a version of the GNU system today.
We call this system version GNU/Linux, to express its composition as a combination of the GNU system with Linux as the kernel.
Playing devils advocate for a moment, there is a huge difference between copying a digital file and copying a physical book. Even photocopiers didn't make it truly practical to copy an entire book. Much easier to buy used or borrow.
Right, so MS is 'after' Linux because they've been insulted? And fwiw, I've written a ton of code and yes, I do think they could have done a MUCH better job if they had paid less attention to useless features and more attention to security, etc. This has been gone over and over and over. Is it chic to defend MS now or something?
Given the Esq your name and the length of your reply, it seems a pretty safe bet that you're a lawyer or are trying to become one. So answer me this. If lawyers are not at all responsible for the legal system we live under, how come every time I mention that some law should be changed, and that law happens to be something that might put a lawyer out of work, the answer I get is, "Oh, that'll never change. All the congressmen and senators _are_ lawyers and they'll never let it pass!" Now I realize that not _all_ of them are, but a large preponderance surely are. Isn't that a conflict of interest? And would you really argue that it isn't abused at all, let alone regularly as my instincts tell me from the large amount of circumstantial evidence? Considering there is no practical way for the average person to gather direct evidence, what assurances do we have? Faith in human nature? From opposition to tort reform to government cronyism, there are plenty of things that lawyers have to apologize for, even if not direct responsibility for the enormous amount of legal cruft our society slaves under.
Point two is ridiculous considering how long the lifespan of cpu's are, and even more so if you take into account the fraction of that lifespan that they are actually in use, on average.
Exactly. The last two stacks of 50 blanks I've bought have had precisely ZERO music burned onto them. And we won't even talk about the fact that the music industry is _already being compensated for each blank CD sold_, regardless of how it is used.
The Reg is no Enquirer. How many haunted computers, Jesus-image-in-mouse-fuzz or flying chimp-boy bullshit type stories have you seen on there? How many stories on there have been patently false and untrue? Just because it isn't dry as your grandma boring like the WSJ doesn't mean it's crap. Did you RTFA? If so then I guess you think Heise is crap too.
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Goddamn right I don't expect the government to be snooping on library records. And no I don't give a fuck if Bin Laden himself had checked out 'How to Fly but not Land an Airliner for Dummies' the day before last Sept. 11.
If a couple = 2, a few = 3, several = 4+, then you have 4000+ cds. At fifteen bucks a pop, that's $60K. Keerist. I'd be willing to bet that most people only have a small fraction of that number, and they have better things to do with their money than purchase the same music over and over again.
"if no one is buying cds anymore, what impetous is there for your favourite band to bother making one?"
The impetus is the creative muse. Always has been and always will be for _real artists_. Artists by nature want people to see/hear their art. Talk to a painter some time.
"Now add in all the govt. benefits you WON'T receive because you have money in the bank to drive that number down even more."
It's not the role of goverment to provide for my retirement. Period. Call me old fashioned, but I was raised with the spirit that says it's better to eat cat food than to rely on handouts.
To remain ever so slightly on topic, I still say that in the long run, spending $200 on this pen will bring me closer to the cat food than the pineapple drinks. Provably reverse that and I'll be first in line for one, with an extra ream of the special paper on the side.
Must be nice to have so much money just laying around. At 5%, in 20 years $200 becomes $865. When it's shown that this thing is going to rock the world, and they make it a little less clunky looking, I'll consider it. Until then, my money is going toward retiring somewhere that the drinks are served in pineapples by scantily clad native women.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of idiots attaching GNU to everything RMS ever said and never letting the world forget what they think Gore said. Or just imagine Slashdot, same thing.
WASHINGTON (AP) The results of a new survey conducted by pollsters suggest that, contrary to common scientific wisdom, correlation does in fact imply causation. The highly reputable source, Gallup Polls, Inc., surveyed 1009 Americans during the month of October and asked them, "Do you believe correlation implies causation?" An overwhelming 64% of American's answered "YES", while only 38% replied "NO". Another 8% were undecided. This result threatens to shake the foundations of both the scientific and mainstream community.
"It is really a mandate from the people." commented one pundit who wished to remain anonymous. "It says that The American People are sick and tired of the scientific mumbo-jumbo that they keep trying to shove down our throats, and want some clear rules about what to believe. Now that correlation implies causation, not only is everything easier to understand, it also shows that even Science must answer to the will of John and Jane Q. Public."
Others are excited because this new, important result actually gives insight into why the result occurred in the first place. "If you look at the numbers over the past two decades, you can see that Americans have been placing less and less faith in the old maxim 'Correlation is not Causation' as time progresses." explained pollster and pop media icon Sarah Purcell. "Now, with the results of the latest poll, we are able to determine that people's lack of belief in correlation not being causal has caused correlation to now become causal. It is a real advance in the field of meta-epistemology."
This major philosophical advance is, surprisingly, looked on with skepticism amongst the theological community. Rabbi Marvin Pachino feels that the new finding will not affect the plight of theists around the world. "You see, those who hold a deep religious belief have a thing called faith, and with faith all things are possible. We still fervently believe, albeit contrary to strong evidence, that correlation does not imply causation. Our steadfast and determined faith has guided us through thousands of years of trials and tribulations, and so we will weather this storm and survive, as we have survived before."
Joining the theologists in their skepticism are the philosophers. "It's really the chicken and the egg problem. Back when we had to worry about causation, we could debate which came first. Now that correlation IS causation, I'm pretty much out of work." philosopher-king Jesse "The Mind" Ventura told reporters. "I've spent the last fifteen years in a heated philosophical debate about epistemics, and then all of the sudden Gallup comes along and says, "Average household consumption of peanut butter is up, people prefer red to blue, and...by the way, CORRELATION IS CAUSATION. Do you know what this means? This means that good looks actually make you smarter! This means that Katie Couric makes the sun come up in the morning! This means that Bill Gates was right and the Y2K bug is Gregory's fault." Ventura was referring to Pope Gregory XIII, the 16th century pontiff who introduced the "Gregorian Calendar" we use today, and who we now know is to blame for the year 2000.
The scientific community is deeply divided on this matter. "It sure makes my job a lot easier." confided neuroscientist Thad Polk. "Those who criticize my work always point out that, although highly correlated, cerebral blood flow is not 'thought'. Now that we know correlation IS causal, I can solve that pesky mind-body problem and conclude that thinking is merely the dynamic movement of blood within cerebral tissue. This is going to make getting tenure a piece of cake!"
Anti-correlationist Travis Seymour is more cynical. "What about all the previous correlational results? Do they get grandfathered in? Like, the old stock market/hemline Pearson's rho is about 0.85. Does this mean dress lengths actually dictated the stock market, even though they did it at a time when correlation did not imply causation? And what about negative and marginally significant correlations? These questions must be answered before the scientific community will accept the results of the poll wholeheartedly. More research is definitely needed."
Whether one welcomes the news or sheds a tear at the loss of the ages-old maxim that hoped to eternally separate the highly correlated from the causal, one must admit that the new logic is here and it's here to stay. Here to stay, of course, until next October, when Gallup, Inc. plans on administering the poll again. But chances are, once Americans begin seeing the entrepeneurial and market opportunities associated with this major philosophical advance, there will be no returning to the darker age when causal relationships were much more difficult to detect.
Well, it breaks all the software into fairly logical groupings. Want sound stuff, check out the sound section. Also, it provides detailed enough descriptions to figure out if you really want something or not, whether it has been replaced with another package, etc.
A graphical dselect would be nice, but text-mode tools are absolutely required. Makes no sense at all to install a graphical environment on a dedicated or headless server, let alone require one to be able to admin the box.
No, he meant Free. As in All Open Source and That Which Isn't Is Clearly Segregated. You don't want to install ANY non-OSS software? Debian makes it easy.
"Apt-rpm. Although I certainly can relate to problems that used to occur years ago."
Considering that RH got apt FROM the Debian crew, you may want to choose another example!
Slashdot Mirror
Apparently you can't handle it either, or do more than skim TFA.
You:
"No scripting support in windows 2000 because it also includes a GUI? Are you fucking stupid or what?"
From the article:
"There are, indeed, many non-GUI administrative programs provided in the core Windows 2000 product and in the Resource Kit. The problem is that
the collection is somewhat arbitrary, incoherent and inconsistent. Programs seem to have been written to fill an immediate need and there
is stylistic inconsistency and poor feature coverage."
You:
"They moved because Windows 2000 was faster and more efficient."
Article:
"The conversion of the Hotmail web servers to Windows is an ongoing
project with several rationales. The team was hoping for better
utilization of the existing hardware resources. The superior development
and internationalization tools are important. A Microsoft property
should eat its own dogfood. Finally, we wished to use the conversion
experience as a model for other UNIX conversions that we hope to carry
out in the future."
You:
"It is obviously stable as any honest person running W2K/XP can tell you."
Article:
"2) Reputation for stability. Both the UNIX kernel, and the design
techniques it encourages, are renowned for stability. A system of
several thousand servers must run reliably and without intervention to
restart failed systems. For Windows 2000, we must first prove the
stability in the same environment, and we must then convince the rest of
the world."
If it's so obvious, to 'any honest person', why do they have to try and convince anyone at all?
You:
"That W2K is not utterly and totally flawed and that it actually is a real competitor for other Server OSes. Once you accept this you can drop the zealous approach and do things in a logic, calm and professional manner."
Getting people who have been repeatedly burned to accept this is a Microsoft problem, not mine. In the meantime, I will continue to use superior software in a quite logical, calm and professional manner.
This is exactly the kind of thinking that is the root of the problems in the US business world today. Executives who think that since it's all just money or 'just business', breaking the law is OK. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. This is not about a matter of degree. You are still a criminal regardless of whether you pickpocketed or murdered. You are still put in cuffs and toted downtown. The punishment is the only thing that varies. Spend time in prison, and you are an ex-con. Tax evasion or murder makes no difference.
Lot's of people claim that anti-MS sentiment is just sour eggs/jealousy of Gates and his success. I've always held that this was bullshit due to having a myriad of reasons to hate the company that have nothing to do with Gates himself. Now I find myself thinking the same thing, only it's of people throwing rocks at RMS. He is, if no longer _the_, certainly _a_ principal GNU developer. Where exactly has he claimed he's the principal Linux kernel developer? Credit where it's due, Linux as we know it would not exist but for the earlier efforts of RMS. So what are you're real reasons for not liking him? The way he looks? Because GNU/Linux sounds stupid? How he won't back down from his ideals? What?
------- from gnu.org:
Richard Stallman
Biography
Richard Stallman is the founder of the GNU Project, launched in 1984 to develop the free operating system, GNU.
Richard Stallman is the principal author of the GNU C Compiler, the GNU symbolic debugger (GDB), GNU Emacs, and various other GNU programs. Stallman currently serves as president of the Free Software Foundation.
Linux and GNU/Linux
The GNU Hurd is not ready for production use. Fortunately, another kernel is available. In 1991, Linus Torvalds developed a Unix-compatible kernel and called it Linux. Around 1992, combining Linux with the not-quite-complete GNU system resulted in a complete free operating system. (Combining them was a substantial job in itself, of course.) It is due to Linux that we can actually run a version of the GNU system today.
We call this system version GNU/Linux, to express its composition as a combination of the GNU system with Linux as the kernel.
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That compatibility switch has done exactly jack for me the times I've tried it. Maybe this guy had the same experience.
Playing devils advocate for a moment, there is a huge difference between copying a digital file and copying a physical book. Even photocopiers didn't make it truly practical to copy an entire book. Much easier to buy used or borrow.
There is no Mom & Pop's Video Store anymore, there is only Zuul...I mean Blockbuster.
Right, so MS is 'after' Linux because they've been insulted? And fwiw, I've written a ton of code and yes, I do think they could have done a MUCH better job if they had paid less attention to useless features and more attention to security, etc. This has been gone over and over and over. Is it chic to defend MS now or something?
Given the Esq your name and the length of your reply, it seems a pretty safe bet that you're a lawyer or are trying to become one. So answer me this. If lawyers are not at all responsible for the legal system we live under, how come every time I mention that some law should be changed, and that law happens to be something that might put a lawyer out of work, the answer I get is, "Oh, that'll never change. All the congressmen and senators _are_ lawyers and they'll never let it pass!" Now I realize that not _all_ of them are, but a large preponderance surely are. Isn't that a conflict of interest? And would you really argue that it isn't abused at all, let alone regularly as my instincts tell me from the large amount of circumstantial evidence? Considering there is no practical way for the average person to gather direct evidence, what assurances do we have? Faith in human nature? From opposition to tort reform to government cronyism, there are plenty of things that lawyers have to apologize for, even if not direct responsibility for the enormous amount of legal cruft our society slaves under.
Point two is ridiculous considering how long the lifespan of cpu's are, and even more so if you take into account the fraction of that lifespan that they are actually in use, on average.
Exactly. The last two stacks of 50 blanks I've bought have had precisely ZERO music burned onto them. And we won't even talk about the fact that the music industry is _already being compensated for each blank CD sold_, regardless of how it is used.
Oh yeah, the letter is completely fake. That's why all these news outlets are carrying stories about it:
Business Week
CNN
PCWorld
InfoWorld
ZDNet
IT World
iT News
I'm sure they all just publish any old story after all, and never check on or worry about the veracity of what they're writing.
The Reg is no Enquirer. How many haunted computers, Jesus-image-in-mouse-fuzz or flying chimp-boy bullshit type stories have you seen on there? How many stories on there have been patently false and untrue? Just because it isn't dry as your grandma boring like the WSJ doesn't mean it's crap. Did you RTFA? If so then I guess you think Heise is crap too.
"Even things like newpapers and pamphlets could be tracked back to you."
Where the hell did you get that idea? Ever hear of the Federalist Papers? Signed 'Publius', the authorship of some of them are still debated.
Unpopular due to being so wrong:
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Goddamn right I don't expect the government to be snooping on library records. And no I don't give a fuck if Bin Laden himself had checked out 'How to Fly but not Land an Airliner for Dummies' the day before last Sept. 11.
"The way the whole affair was presented, reeks of OSS selfrighteous geekiness, smallmindedness and fantacism.
You're A Debian user, right?"
Now who's being outrageous and attacking with a blanket statement.
[1] Yes, all editors are taco.
Except Nachman, he's a double-beef burrito supreme.
"I have several thousand audio cds"
If a couple = 2, a few = 3, several = 4+, then you have 4000+ cds. At fifteen bucks a pop, that's $60K. Keerist. I'd be willing to bet that most people only have a small fraction of that number, and they have better things to do with their money than purchase the same music over and over again.
"if no one is buying cds anymore, what impetous is there for your favourite band to bother making one?"
The impetus is the creative muse. Always has been and always will be for _real artists_. Artists by nature want people to see/hear their art. Talk to a painter some time.
Just redid it by hand and you're right. What I get for hurrying!
"No it doesn't. It's 200*e^(20*0.05) = 543.66."
Compounded interest.
"Now add in all the govt. benefits you WON'T receive because you have money in the bank to drive that number down even more."
It's not the role of goverment to provide for my retirement. Period. Call me old fashioned, but I was raised with the spirit that says it's better to eat cat food than to rely on handouts.
To remain ever so slightly on topic, I still say that in the long run, spending $200 on this pen will bring me closer to the cat food than the pineapple drinks. Provably reverse that and I'll be first in line for one, with an extra ream of the special paper on the side.
Must be nice to have so much money just laying around. At 5%, in 20 years $200 becomes $865. When it's shown that this thing is going to rock the world, and they make it a little less clunky looking, I'll consider it. Until then, my money is going toward retiring somewhere that the drinks are served in pineapples by scantily clad native women.
Imagine a Beowulf cluster of idiots attaching GNU to everything RMS ever said and never letting the world forget what they think Gore said. Or just imagine Slashdot, same thing.
Yeah, people who are vocal about their ideals are real irritating aren't they.
NEW POLL SHOWS CORRELATION IS CAUSATION
WASHINGTON (AP) The results of a new survey conducted by pollsters
suggest that, contrary to common scientific wisdom, correlation does in
fact imply causation. The highly reputable source, Gallup Polls, Inc.,
surveyed 1009 Americans during the month of October and asked them, "Do
you believe correlation implies causation?" An overwhelming 64% of
American's answered "YES", while only 38% replied "NO". Another 8% were
undecided. This result threatens to shake the foundations of both the
scientific and mainstream community.
"It is really a mandate from the people." commented one pundit who wished
to remain anonymous. "It says that The American People are sick and tired
of the scientific mumbo-jumbo that they keep trying to shove down our
throats, and want some clear rules about what to believe. Now that
correlation implies causation, not only is everything easier to
understand, it also shows that even Science must answer to the will of
John and Jane Q. Public."
Others are excited because this new, important result actually gives
insight into why the result occurred in the first place. "If you look at
the numbers over the past two decades, you can see that Americans have
been placing less and less faith in the old maxim 'Correlation is not
Causation' as time progresses." explained pollster and pop media icon
Sarah Purcell. "Now, with the results of the latest poll, we are able to
determine that people's lack of belief in correlation not being causal has
caused correlation to now become causal. It is a real advance in the
field of meta-epistemology."
This major philosophical advance is, surprisingly, looked on with
skepticism amongst the theological community. Rabbi Marvin Pachino feels
that the new finding will not affect the plight of theists around the
world. "You see, those who hold a deep religious belief have a thing
called faith, and with faith all things are possible. We still fervently
believe, albeit contrary to strong evidence, that correlation does not
imply causation. Our steadfast and determined faith has guided us through
thousands of years of trials and tribulations, and so we will weather this
storm and survive, as we have survived before."
Joining the theologists in their skepticism are the philosophers. "It's
really the chicken and the egg problem. Back when we had to worry about
causation, we could debate which came first. Now that correlation IS
causation, I'm pretty much out of work." philosopher-king Jesse "The Mind"
Ventura told reporters. "I've spent the last fifteen years in a heated
philosophical debate about epistemics, and then all of the sudden Gallup
comes along and says, "Average household consumption of peanut butter is
up, people prefer red to blue, and...by the way, CORRELATION IS CAUSATION.
Do you know what this means? This means that good looks actually make you
smarter! This means that Katie Couric makes the sun come up in the
morning! This means that Bill Gates was right and the Y2K bug is
Gregory's fault." Ventura was referring to Pope Gregory XIII, the 16th
century pontiff who introduced the "Gregorian Calendar" we use today, and
who we now know is to blame for the year 2000.
The scientific community is deeply divided on this matter. "It sure makes
my job a lot easier." confided neuroscientist Thad Polk. "Those who
criticize my work always point out that, although highly correlated,
cerebral blood flow is not 'thought'. Now that we know correlation IS
causal, I can solve that pesky mind-body problem and conclude that
thinking is merely the dynamic movement of blood within cerebral tissue.
This is going to make getting tenure a piece of cake!"
Anti-correlationist Travis Seymour is more cynical. "What about all the
previous correlational results? Do they get grandfathered in? Like, the
old stock market/hemline Pearson's rho is about 0.85. Does this mean
dress lengths actually dictated the stock market, even though they did it
at a time when correlation did not imply causation? And what about
negative and marginally significant correlations? These questions must be
answered before the scientific community will accept the results of the
poll wholeheartedly. More research is definitely needed."
Whether one welcomes the news or sheds a tear at the loss of the ages-old
maxim that hoped to eternally separate the highly correlated from the
causal, one must admit that the new logic is here and it's here to stay.
Here to stay, of course, until next October, when Gallup, Inc. plans on
administering the poll again. But chances are, once Americans begin
seeing the entrepeneurial and market opportunities associated with this
major philosophical advance, there will be no returning to the darker age
when causal relationships were much more difficult to detect.
Well, it breaks all the software into fairly logical groupings. Want sound stuff, check out the sound section. Also, it provides detailed enough descriptions to figure out if you really want something or not, whether it has been replaced with another package, etc.
A graphical dselect would be nice, but text-mode tools are absolutely required. Makes no sense at all to install a graphical environment on a dedicated or headless server, let alone require one to be able to admin the box.
"So is Redhat, always was, always will be."
No, he meant Free. As in All Open Source and That Which Isn't Is Clearly Segregated. You don't want to install ANY non-OSS software? Debian makes it easy.
"Apt-rpm. Although I certainly can relate to problems that used to occur years ago."
Considering that RH got apt FROM the Debian crew, you may want to choose another example!