read the first paragraph of each wiki entry and look at the characteristics of both. You're arguing that a government is not fascist because it doesn't have the characteristics of nazism.
Most world powers match at least half of the fascist characteristics. It's not because you feel there's nothing wrong with the policy of the government, that the policy isn't fascist.
Note that the core observation of godwin's law is just common sense : meaningfull discussions normally end once you start insulting the other side
No but we might need judges who live in the same world as the people they're judging and the people who write the laws they're applying
Do you really think that, in order to judge, lets say a doctor, you need to be a doctor ? or that the people wo write the laws should be doctor's too ?
What about murderers ? What about compagnies ? Should they dictate their own law and be their own judge ?
It's ok for people to not know what a website is. I'm not going to uh.. judge them. It's not ok for first-world-country judges to not know..
Still you feel qualified to judge the judge ? At least the judge was consequent enough saying he was not going to judge as he's missing the necessary background. How much do you know about this case that you righteously feel qualified to judge the judge ?
There is a lot to be said in favor of having "technical" judges who specialize in certain areas and cases get allocated to them accordingly.
- since proxies are your friend, belgians do not loose actually access to google. Filtering ip address space is useless. It's not the internet which is cut of. Just a foreign compagny barred from a local market. - if google stops indexing belgian sites, not much info gets lost to belgians, belgium is real small. 99% of the content is outside . So 99% of the info is preserved for them - belgian content is protect while the rest of the world is free to access. Belgians are free to put content on servers outside of belgium which they choose to share with the the nessecary pointers to the paying belgian parts. They can even provide serverspace to content providers and give them prove their content is lawfully protected. - they get a warm and cosy feeling about no longer being indexed by the big brother network
I'm convinced speech technologies have a fantastic future when they are used for improving human communications like providing for an electronic bablefish. However it looks like most are concentrating on using speech as a way to interact with machines.
Which is so terribly ineffient and cumbersome. You really don't want to spend the time to socially interact with your coffeemachine at 7am. Unless it's able to go to the shop, put in exactly the right amount of coffee and is able to turn itself to on once it hears you stumbling out of bed. It's next to useless if the only added value is to switch itself to on after you grunted "on" to it.
It promotes seperation. Call it male-friendly, women-friendly, gay-friendly, black friendly, repulican-friendly,... You target a specfic group based on sex, colour, blelievs and it's totally irrelevant to the game. It's the popular way of doing "political-correct" discrimination. Just stating you'll accept others too doesn't really change it's main purpose.
To be pedantic, it's discrimintory against players which are not as open-minded towards sexual orientation. WOW is a game. Stick to it's rules and don't try to push your unrelated agenda. This kind of guild is completely offtopic and just spoils gameplay. If you want to discriminate, create an orc-friendly guild or whatever.
This has nothing to do with censorship. A guy who also does podcasts, gets a fine for not respecting local media restrictions (like requesting a licences for analog radio broadcasts and registering yourself,) See pdf regarding convinction in article (dutch sorry)
As usual here in Belgium, justice department works a bit slow and it's actually for some analog broadcasts in the past (which now have been replaced with podcasts) he gets fined and gets urged to do everything according to existing regulation.
The guy is political active for a convicted racist party and it's supporters now try to use this bit as propaganda to tell he's getting censored because of his content instead. Most politicians in Belgium are trying hard to ignore this kind of people but sometimes fail to due to the provocative nature of the party in question.
Explosion on earth spreads earthdust Explosion on mars spreads marsdust
I must be new here to still expect title's which actually tell what the article is about ? Something simple like : Explosion on the moon spotted ? stll seems hard.
Then the summary is 2 lines : The first being informative. The second completely out of context. I wished editors just added a list of moon related articles in this case iso trying to make up nonsens. The only danger here is that the moon doesn't have an atmospher to protect you from direct astroid impact. The fact that inhaling moondust is the least of you problems if you're in its trajectory.
>I'm sorry, I just can't help mentioning that I actually judge things like this based on how capable >they are of being a president, rather than take a magnifying glass to his/her life.
Actually you have to elect them before they get to be president. You can't make a true judgemnet based on their capabiltiy at being a president unless it's their second term. You'll have to estimated based on previous conduct how capable he/she actually would be.
>Whether they're christian, jewish, muslim or vulcan, I consider their values and ideas higher than >their religion
If they are into the religious thing their ideas and values are very much bound by that religion. Like always, the more any candiate is extreme or fanatic in any way, the more troublesome their gone be. The worst are those trying to backup their ideas and values with their interpretation of their relegion, as they are most probably gone create their private crusade in the name of some ideal.
According to wikipedia , addiction is a compulsion to repeat a behavior regardless of its consequences.
I know a bunch of people who are trully addicted to e-mail. They feel the need to check it during the whole day. They 'll use it as their sole way to communicate with other people. They 'll even send mails to the guy/girl sitting next to him/her rather than talk to them.
And as a result they loose their ability to normaly communicate and socially interract with people. They'll feel lost and cut off from the world when they don't have access to their email. I would say this is typical compulsary behavior regardless of its consequences. However while many people start falling in that catagory, few are going to admit it.
>Amazing all the U.S.A. haters on the web....first time one of them gets bombed/invaded by someone else, "who they gonna call"?
Actually it's not so strange. If you're being bullied by someone who do you call for, who could help you ? An even bigger bully. And will he help you ? Yes as long as that one has a personnal interrest. The current United States military budget is larger than the military budgets of the next twenty biggest spenders combined, and six times larger than China's, which places second. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_military_budget )
Who do you call US. haters ? Every one puts out some critisism ? Wouldn't a friend be the first to accept some critism ? And don't you think that the base for most of the real hatred encountered, is based on some real fear of the US, fear of the biggest kid in the class which could help you but als from time to time abuses its power just to satisfy its greed ?
If you don't want the full 360 degrees inclination theres a very simple mechanical setup which should be easy to duplicate at large scale and has been used for years in toys as these :
Call yourself the good guy or the hero of the day and your allowed to do anything ? Think:
Clear evil activity is much harder to define. Even 2 of the 3 examples you gave are clearly broken. The mugger seemed evil to to me. The middle aged man could be the father of the girl. And the person kicking in the door could be yourself reacting on a call for help of the eldely couple.
The lack of control makes vigilante actions moslty contribute more to the problem than to the solution.
yes it happens, yes it's as easy as reading one 's mail if you're at the right place. It doesn't make it legal though and can get you in serious trouble if you admit doing it.
I wish ISPs would hold the lusers (criminally) responsible for this.
LOL: 1) think what that would mean for most ISP's because they would need to be accountable on their turn too. 2) they could try to pull the plug on that kind of users but they are a majority. So the isp won't bite the hand that feeds it.
Wel luring the bots on your own net and analysing them there seems fine. So that would be more or less the same as receiving broadcasted things.
However they talk about a bunch of experts calling themselves the good guys and playing vigilante. (Which in itself is already a bit worrying)
Furter on they talk about actively sniffing routers. If an ISP admits it monitors traffic contents wouldn't it then lose its rights as being a "carrier" ? Wouldn't that make them reasponsible for the content too, illegal content for example ?
Does it come as a surprise to you that people that have access to routers can sniff your packets?
Of course they can but the question is : are they
allowed to do it ? It's very easy to tap a phone call in any exchange but admitting you did it
without the proper legal papers would get you in
a whole lot of trouble, I guess.
They willingly and knowingly gained unauthorized access to information that was not theirs to access. I generally hate analogies but here goes: if these students found a key to their professor's room and snuck in to check on their exam results, do you think there'd be a furor as to whether they are guilty of cheatin or not?
Like you say most analogies fail completly. As does yours. Web servers are generaly considered more as publishing things like newspapers then as file lockers. It's not because you put something out on page 3 without putting a big header on the front page that people won't read it.
I couldn't care less for the students but any corporation being so stupid to put their new designs onto a webserver iso into a safe most likely will go out of business and deserves it too.
Ethics have nothing to do with all of this,
nor honor. In contrary. This does only show that Stanford does the same as many bussiness today. In stead of admitting they made a mistake putting info on public places, they make meaningfull words as ethics and honor sound hollow and try hide behind it. Maybe that's at least part of the reason why people here show their suppport.
As for archiving, they'll certainly stretch further than any physical shelf space. They don't have pages that tear off, no print that fades in time, no worries of physical damage whatsoever...except for water damage, that is.
Except for physical space, this is a common misconception. Keeping digital data intact for years is much more difficult. You'll need to renew the storage medium continuesely over a long time and recovery is often far more difficult if you fail to do so
As soon as e-books have the same availabilty,accessebilty and ease of use as standard books, they'll take over. However at this point we're way real far from that situation. Having a pda which you have to continuesly babysit for power and which you won't risk going to bath with ain't a serious contender for standard books.
I start getting sick of this kind of comparisons. Each time one talks about this, someone needs to mention pedofiles. This is not the issue at all. Wether you like pedofiles or wether you think the should be killed at sight is not the question. (yep , maybe I have children and would prefer the latter) The real issue is:
if you make anyone responsible for just forwarding contents then any isp or telco is responsable. Law enforcement should at least be equal to anyone. It's not because you're a big compagny that your excused and because you are an individual that you are to be responsable.
People who promote violence against the innocent as a means of freedom are nothing more than disturbers of the peace who deserve their punishments.
While I completly agree on the fact that fear and violence are not an acceptable mean to achieve freedom, I would like to make 2 observations:
looking at history, freedom is almost never achieved without violence
when talking about violence against the innocent, a government surely doesn't match that profile. (especialy no government which recently declared war on other countries)
Your quotes would only have any meaning if you would agree an trialing and punnishing your own government for not only promoting but actualy doing the actions you accuse this guy of.
So if these are the only reasons why the guy gets
emprissoned, I would simply call it an abuse of your rights. Silently approved by a by fear blinded public. The same fear which is cultivated by its own government.
(note that I consider these statements as a moderate opinion. A.C.Clark suggested once to kill
anyone declaring war and got away with it )
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> I'm 32, which is too old to have an idea. Apparently ideas come from 18-29 year olds...
nope.. you're supposed to have reached an age where you're to smart to let yourself being robbed in such a way...:-)
basicly what you're stating is that in some cases the cure is worse than the dissease. But that's not the point at all.
Image how you would feel if you lost a relative because of an illness you could have cured or prevented if you had known. But in stead the guy discovering it only reports it to some firm so that this one can make profits selling the info to any paying pharmaceutic compagnies.
now replace : a relative-> private data or server, illness->hack, firm->CERN, pharmaceutic->software
Now there is a fair chance that the pharmaceutic compagny brings a solution in a fair timeframe. But really their would be lot's of people having a damned good argument being angree because of the needless loss they have to endure.
You don't make a disseas disappear by not talking about it, In that case you're keeping the masses ignorant and buy some time for the pharmceutics.
If the pharaceutics come up with a solution it is only about pollisching their image, it doesn't save your ass in the meantime. If they ignore the problem, it's even worse. It can be lethal to yourself in that timeframe.
Now ask yourself again, do you still feel it's better being kept ignorant ?
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He's neither informative or interesting since his arguments only consist of shouting and words like holy crap,lol,...
Informative or interesting would be a timeline for each invention.
internet : http://inventors.about.com/od/istartinventions/a/internet.htm
computer : http://inventors.about.com/library/blcoindex.htm
car : http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blcar.htm
lightbulb : http://inventors.about.com/od/lstartinventions/a/lighting_2.htm
telephone : http://inventors.about.com/od/bstartinventors/a/telephone.htm
Strictly speaking that gives him a 2 out of 5 (internet+telephone) and
actually confirming the original statement
Now watch how people will start coloring the facts to fit their agenda...
read the first paragraph of each wiki entry and look at the characteristics of both. You're arguing that a government is not fascist because it doesn't have the characteristics of nazism.
Most world powers match at least half of the fascist characteristics. It's not because you feel there's nothing wrong with the policy of the government, that the policy isn't fascist.
Note that the core observation of godwin's law is just common sense : meaningfull discussions normally end once you start insulting the other side
Do you really think that, in order to judge, lets say a doctor, you need to be a doctor ? or that the people wo write the laws should be doctor's too ? What about murderers ? What about compagnies ? Should they dictate their own law and be their own judge ?
It's ok for people to not know what a website is. I'm not going to uh .. judge them. It's not ok for first-world-country judges to not know..
Still you feel qualified to judge the judge ? At least the judge was consequent enough saying he was not going to judge as he's missing the necessary background. How much do you know about this case that you righteously feel qualified to judge the judge ?
There is a lot to be said in favor of having "technical" judges who specialize in certain areas and cases get allocated to them accordingly.
- since proxies are your friend, belgians do not loose actually access to google. Filtering ip address space is useless. It's not the internet which is cut of. Just a foreign compagny barred from a local market.
- if google stops indexing belgian sites, not much info gets lost to belgians, belgium is real small. 99% of the content is outside . So 99% of the info is preserved for them
- belgian content is protect while the rest of the world is free to access. Belgians are free to put content on servers outside of belgium which they choose to share with the the nessecary pointers to the paying belgian parts. They can even provide serverspace to content providers and give them prove their content is lawfully protected.
- they get a warm and cosy feeling about no longer being indexed by the big brother network
I'm convinced speech technologies have a fantastic future when they are used for improving human communications like providing for an electronic bablefish. However it looks like most are concentrating on using speech as a way to interact with machines.
Which is so terribly ineffient and cumbersome. You really don't want to spend the time to socially interact with your coffeemachine at 7am.
Unless it's able to go to the shop, put in exactly the right amount of coffee and is able to turn itself to on once it hears you stumbling out of bed. It's next to useless if the only added value is to switch itself to on after you grunted "on" to it.
It promotes seperation. Call it male-friendly, women-friendly, gay-friendly, black friendly, repulican-friendly,... You target a specfic group based on sex, colour, blelievs and it's totally irrelevant to the game. It's the popular way of doing "political-correct" discrimination. Just stating you'll accept others too doesn't really
change it's main purpose.
To be pedantic, it's discrimintory against players which are not as open-minded towards sexual orientation. WOW is a game. Stick to it's rules and don't try to push your unrelated agenda. This kind of guild is completely offtopic and just spoils gameplay. If you want to discriminate, create an orc-friendly guild or whatever.
This has nothing to do with censorship. A guy who also does podcasts, gets a fine for not respecting local media restrictions (like requesting a licences for analog radio broadcasts and registering yourself,) See pdf regarding convinction in article (dutch sorry)
As usual here in Belgium, justice department works a bit slow and it's actually for some analog broadcasts in the past (which now have been replaced with podcasts) he gets fined and gets urged
to do everything according to existing regulation.
The guy is political active for a convicted racist party and it's supporters now try to use this bit as propaganda to tell he's getting censored because of his content instead. Most politicians in Belgium are trying hard to ignore this kind of people but sometimes fail to due to the provocative nature of the party in question.
Explosion on earth spreads earthdust
Explosion on mars spreads marsdust
I must be new here to still expect title's which actually tell what the article is about ? Something simple like : Explosion on the moon spotted ? stll seems hard.
Then the summary is 2 lines : The first being informative. The second completely out of context. I wished editors just added a list of moon related articles in this case iso trying to make up nonsens. The only danger here is that the moon doesn't have an atmospher to protect you from direct astroid impact. The fact that inhaling moondust is the least of you problems if you're in its trajectory.
>I'm sorry, I just can't help mentioning that I actually judge things like this based on how capable
>they are of being a president, rather than take a magnifying glass to his/her life.
Actually you have to elect them before they get to be president. You can't make a true judgemnet
based on their capabiltiy at being a president unless it's their second term. You'll have to estimated based on previous conduct how capable he/she actually would be.
>Whether they're christian, jewish, muslim or vulcan, I consider their values and ideas higher than >their religion
If they are into the religious thing their ideas and values are very much bound by that religion. Like always, the more any candiate is extreme or fanatic in any way, the more troublesome their gone be. The worst are those trying to backup their ideas and values with their interpretation of their relegion, as they are most probably gone create their private crusade in the name of some ideal.
is often considered as a typical sign of it.
According to wikipedia , addiction is a compulsion to repeat a behavior regardless of its consequences.
I know a bunch of people who are trully addicted to e-mail. They feel the need to check it during the whole day. They 'll use it as their sole way to communicate with other people. They 'll even send mails to the guy/girl sitting next to him/her rather than talk to them.
And as a result they loose their ability to normaly communicate and socially interract with people. They'll feel lost and cut off from the world when they don't have access to their email. I would say this is typical compulsary behavior regardless of its consequences. However while many people start
falling in that catagory, few are going to admit it.
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>Amazing all the U.S.A. haters on the web....first time one of them gets bombed/invaded by someone else, "who they gonna call"?
Actually it's not so strange. If you're being bullied by someone who do you call for, who could help you ? An even bigger bully. And will he help you ? Yes as long as that one has a personnal interrest. The current United States military budget is larger than the military budgets of the next twenty biggest spenders combined, and six times larger than China's, which places second. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_military_budget )
Who do you call US. haters ? Every one puts out some critisism ? Wouldn't a friend be the first to accept some critism ? And don't you think that the base for most of the real hatred encountered, is based on some real fear of the US, fear of the biggest kid in the class which could help you but als from time to time abuses its power just to satisfy its greed ?
If you don't want the full 360 degrees inclination theres a very simple mechanical setup which should be easy to duplicate at large scale and has been used for years in toys as these :
/ 293/products_id/6490
http://www.unclesgames.com/product_info.php/cPath
It would just require 2 square wooden frames, 2 belts and 2 motors.
insightfull ? I'll bite troll,
just 1 example please of these already imported traditions.
(While Europe might by more sexually liberated. Most countries are far less liberal towards this kind of hatespeak)
Call yourself the good guy or the hero of the day and your allowed to do anything ? Think:
Clear evil activity is much harder to define. Even 2 of the 3 examples you gave are clearly broken. The mugger seemed evil to to me. The middle aged man could be the father of the girl. And the person kicking in the door could be yourself reacting on a call for help of the eldely couple.
The lack of control makes vigilante actions moslty contribute more to the problem than to the solution.
yes it happens, yes it's as easy as reading one 's mail if you're at the right place. It doesn't make it legal though and can get you in serious trouble if you admit doing it.
I wish ISPs would hold the lusers (criminally) responsible for this.
LOL:
1) think what that would mean for most ISP's because they would need to be accountable on their turn too.
2) they could try to pull the plug on that kind of users but they are a majority. So the isp won't bite the hand that feeds it.
Wel luring the bots on your own net and analysing them there seems fine. So that would be more or less the same as receiving broadcasted things.
However they talk about a bunch of experts calling themselves the good guys and playing vigilante. (Which in itself is already a bit worrying)
Furter on they talk about actively sniffing routers. If an ISP admits it monitors traffic contents wouldn't it then lose its
rights as being a "carrier" ? Wouldn't that make them reasponsible for the content too, illegal content for example ?
Does it come as a surprise to you that people that have access to routers can sniff your packets?
Of course they can but the question is : are they allowed to do it ? It's very easy to tap a phone call in any exchange but admitting you did it without the proper legal papers would get you in a whole lot of trouble, I guess.
Like you say most analogies fail completly. As does yours. Web servers are generaly considered more as publishing things like newspapers then as file lockers. It's not because you put something out on page 3 without putting a big header on the front page that people won't read it.
I couldn't care less for the students but any corporation being so stupid to put their new designs onto a webserver iso into a safe most likely will go out of business and deserves it too.
Ethics have nothing to do with all of this, nor honor. In contrary. This does only show that Stanford does the same as many bussiness today. In stead of admitting they made a mistake putting info on public places, they make meaningfull words as ethics and honor sound hollow and try hide behind it. Maybe that's at least part of the reason why people here show their suppport.
red.
Except for physical space, this is a common misconception. Keeping digital data intact for years is much more difficult. You'll need to renew the storage medium continuesely over a long time and recovery is often far more difficult if you fail to do so
As soon as e-books have the same availabilty,accessebilty and ease of use as standard books, they'll take over. However at this point we're way real far from that situation. Having a pda which you have to continuesly babysit for power and which you won't risk going to bath with ain't a serious contender for standard books.
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I start getting sick of this kind of comparisons. :
Each time one talks about this, someone needs to mention pedofiles. This is not the issue at all. Wether you like pedofiles or wether you think the should be killed at sight is not the question. (yep , maybe I have children and would prefer the latter)
The real issue is
if you make anyone responsible for just forwarding contents then any isp or telco is responsable. Law enforcement should at least be equal to anyone. It's not because you're a big compagny that your excused and because you are an individual that you are to be responsable.
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Wouldn't it be more smart for an ISP to deliver this firewall feature as a free or paying service for which you could opt-in ?
I know my ISP is already providing optional free spam filtering which I can enable/disable using a simple webinterface.
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People who promote violence against the innocent as a means of freedom are nothing more than disturbers of the peace who deserve their punishments.
While I completly agree on the fact that fear and violence are not an acceptable mean to achieve freedom, I would like to make 2 observations
looking at history, freedom is almost never achieved without violence
when talking about violence against the innocent, a government surely doesn't match that profile. (especialy no government which recently declared war on other countries)
Your quotes would only have any meaning if you would agree an trialing and punnishing your own government for not only promoting but actualy doing the actions you accuse this guy of. So if these are the only reasons why the guy gets emprissoned, I would simply call it an abuse of your rights. Silently approved by a by fear blinded public. The same fear which is cultivated by its own government.
(note that I consider these statements as a moderate opinion. A.C.Clark suggested once to kill anyone declaring war and got away with it )
> I'm 32, which is too old to have an idea. Apparently ideas come from 18-29 year olds...
:-)
nope.. you're supposed to have reached an age where you're to smart to let yourself being robbed in such a way...
basicly what you're stating is that in some cases the cure is worse than the dissease. But that's not the point at all.
Image how you would feel if you lost a relative because of an illness you could have cured or prevented if you had known. But in stead the guy
discovering it only reports it to some firm so that this one can make profits selling the info to any paying pharmaceutic compagnies.
now replace : a relative-> private data or server, illness->hack, firm->CERN, pharmaceutic->software
Now there is a fair chance that the pharmaceutic compagny brings a solution in a fair timeframe. But really their would be lot's of people having a damned good argument being angree because of the needless loss they have to endure.
You don't make a disseas disappear by not talking about it, In that case you're keeping the masses ignorant and buy some time for the pharmceutics.
If the pharaceutics come up with a solution it is only about pollisching their image, it doesn't save your ass in the meantime. If they ignore the problem, it's even worse. It can be lethal to yourself in that timeframe.
Now ask yourself again, do you still feel it's better being kept ignorant ?