I would say this is a bit of the Python philosophy showing up in Django: Explicit is always better than implicit. Obviously Rails doesn't share this philosophy, and that's fine. But Django definitely intends to be very Pythonic, and model definitions are no exception.
Django did start out in publishing (I should know, I'm the senior designer for the publishing company that created it). But, since then, it's been developed greatly to work well in other application-type environments. While Django still excels at content-heavy sites, and you can see the roots are in publishing, I would contend it's every bit as capable for more transaction-based web apps as Rails is.
Nevermind the fact that there have been production sites built on Django FAR longer than there have been production sites built on Rails, I guess. *rolls eyes*
Rails was open-sourced first, but Django has been in existence and working well longer.
Okay, so iTunes DRM'd AAC isn't perfect. What's the alternative? The music labels won't let anyone sell non-DRM'd music. Since you can't legally buy non-DRM'd music, what would you have us do?
If DRM went away, online sales of digital music would go away, too. Period.
Who needs an "actual logical or ethical position?"
This is America, Jack, and I can sure you for any damn reason I please. If I want to sure you because the color of your eyes causes me unnecessary headaches, then by god, I can do so. ----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Here's a recap on the Napster-related things that went down at the VMAs:
For the record, Metallica wasn't there...only Lars.
In the pre-game show (yes, I know it's not a game, but doesn't it sound more fun that way?), Lars was interviewed by one of the MTV boobs (seems like it was Chris Connely, but I could be wrong). Said interviewer asked him about the Napster case and Lars said that he was trying to not thing about it much tonight. The interviewer pressed him for some comment (he may as well have said, "Look, Lars. I'm going to lose my job if I don't get you to speak about this. After all, it is pretty much the only reason you're still a celeb, right?"), and Lars said something like, "Well...yeah, it's an issue. With the MP3.com ruling that just went down yesterday, we're felling mroe and more confident." That's not an exact quote, mind you.
About half-way into the Big Show (that's MTV's creative team at work), MTV teen idol Carson Daly brought out Shawn Fanning (creator of Napster) to help him introduce Britney for her performace. Shawn came out sporting a Metallica t-shirt. MTV editors cut to Lars in the audience, who rolled his eyes, and then acted as if he was asleep while Shawn spoke. Inteligent display, Lars. Way to go. Carson then proceded to display his journalistic observation talents by commenting, "Nice shirt." Shawn, in a quip that was funny, but clearly planned, said something to the effect of "Oh, thanks. It's not mine...a friend is sharing it with me." Some laughs ensued, but I think most of the audience missed the joke. Shawn then followed-up: "I'm thinking of getting my own, though." Carson made some comment about how they should get on with the introduction, and Fanning replied that "the sooner I can get off this stage, the better." Whatever the hell that means. Following this, Britney got naked.
A while later, there was a somewhat anti-napster skit in which Shawn Wayans acted (I'm using this term very liberally here)as if he was a Napster-using, college-student Metallica fan. Lars comes in, gives him the definiton of sharing (by picking up his coke, drinking it, and then informing him that he's "sharing 10 years of groupies with him"), starts slapping Napster-logo stickers on everthing in sight, and calling in his roadies to take all of the things he plans to "share." Final tag line: "Sharing: It's only fun when it's not your stuff." All in all, an entirely unfunny display (this, by the way, was common with anything that involved the night's hosts).
Finally, Lars came on stage to introduce Blink 182 for their closing performance, and there were unquestionably boos to be heard form the audience. There was plenty of cheers as well, though. I wouldn't say that Lars was treated in any absolutly convincing manner that "shows public opinion." He made some (unfunny) joke about how Metallica wasn't available to perform, so they had to settle for Blink. Blink then brings on shitloads of midgets for it's rendention of "All the SMALL Things." Get it? See what they did there? "Small Things"...Midgets...Get it?
Good Lord, why do I continue to watch this network?
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
That's not a commercial, it's the afore mentioned skit from the Video Music Awards. ----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Apparently you didn't read the article, or even the/. summary.
This isn't happening NOW, it happened 3-5 years ago. I don't think we'll be hearing anything from Connectix, particulary since VPC wasn't even born yet when the Star Trek project got it's start.
Pay attention.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
You're half-right. What linux REALLY needs is apps that act the same as their desktop enviroment. That's what the author is talking about...consistency. And it's part of making better apps. ----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
So, what you're saying is: RedHat releases a product, then fixes bugs in susequent releases? Wow, novel concept. ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
To all of you who insist that Apple would kill it's hardware sales by offering Mac OS X for Intel......Have you considered the possibility that Apple might actually sell Intel hardware itself? ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
Except fot the fact that news and COMMENTARY (such as yours) are covered under fair use.:) ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
Didn't we go through a lot fo this a few years back when hotline was getting nailed in every hole from legal systems?
Whatever happened there? Hotline is still around. I'm not sure what the results of the cases were. Anyone have a clue? i just wonder how that info might apply to Napster.
For those of you who don't know, Hotline is a (relativley old) file sharing/bbs type system. It showed up three years ago or so on Macs and includes file transfer, news, chat, etc. It was evenatually ported to Windows, and clones are available for BeOS and Linux. In essecnce, it allows peer-to-peer file sharing. Hotline differs from Napster in two main ways:
1. It does all file types, not just MP3. 2. The client and server are seperate applications (although it should be noted that the server was every bit intended to be run on PCs but Everyday Ordinary People (TM))
Anyway, just wondering what bearing these previous preceedings might have on Napster...anyone know? ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
Agreed. As i say, I think they will probably include it. However, they haven't made a commitment either way, as the original poster said they have. ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
This is incorrect. Apple has never stated ANYTHING on this matter.
The rumor sites indicate that the terminal will likey be included on the CD as part of an optional install, but there has been no confirmation of this from Apple.
Apple won't say anything until the day the beta gets here. Dp4 ships with a terminal program, and I think it's a safe bet to say the final will as well (wether it's in the default install or not), but to say that "Apple has stated that the Terminal won't ship with the OS, and you won't be finding very many Unixisms. " is incorrect in every way. ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
This "anoymous coward" report is taken VERBATIM from MacNN.com. Just thought we should give credit where credit is due. You can see the full article here:
Sure, you could own Metallica CDs, and you could rip MP3s from the, and more than likley, no one would bitch (though at this point, it's hard telling). The problem is NOT that you HAVE Metallica MP3s. It's that you have them in your SHARED Napster music folder, henceforth making them available to people who DIDN'T buy the CDs. Someone mentioned buying some Limp Biskit even if you don't like them. I think this is a great idea. I, for one, am going to go buy a CD I would never have bought, just to make a political statment. The record industry won't know or care, but I'll sure feel good about it! ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
How well do you understand the Napster technology? Are you even aware that Napster The Company does not house these MP3s that you are suing them over? If you are not knowledgable about the tech involved, how can you put your names on a lawsuit regarding it?
Time and time again, you guys have refered to Napster as a "website" when it fact it is a software program. This is the primary reason why I question the your understand of what's going on here, exactly.
Mark my words, guys. You're ruining your legacy by doing this. You're going to go down in infamy instead of as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. You're going to alienate your fan and THEN lose, anyway.
Good work. ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
On the subject of the Mac platform being so closed:
Why is it, then, that a platform which has less than 10% of the market share, manages to have 6-8 OSes to choose from, when Intel, with 90% of the market share has 10-15?
If the mac is truly less open, explain the disproportionate (as compared to market share) level of open source development. ---------- Jeff Croft http://jeffcroft.com http://industrystandard.org http://newbeetle.org
I came here to post that vw.com is also down, and that audi is part of the volkswagen motor group... since that's already been mentioned, I'll just say this: The is just a preventive measue. I think we can all feel comfortable that VW and Audi's servers are probably Y2K compliant. But, as has been mentioned, there's an undeniably higer probability for cracking, etc. on this day, and they're just covering their ass. What's the big deal? Seems to me that they're just being prudent, not being pussies... Jeff Croft http://newbeetle.org
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I would say this is a bit of the Python philosophy showing up in Django: Explicit is always better than implicit. Obviously Rails doesn't share this philosophy, and that's fine. But Django definitely intends to be very Pythonic, and model definitions are no exception.
Django did start out in publishing (I should know, I'm the senior designer for the publishing company that created it). But, since then, it's been developed greatly to work well in other application-type environments. While Django still excels at content-heavy sites, and you can see the roots are in publishing, I would contend it's every bit as capable for more transaction-based web apps as Rails is.
Nevermind the fact that there have been production sites built on Django FAR longer than there have been production sites built on Rails, I guess. *rolls eyes*
Rails was open-sourced first, but Django has been in existence and working well longer.
Did Bela Bartok (and others) do the exact same thing back in the 1930s and 40s?
Okay, so iTunes DRM'd AAC isn't perfect. What's the alternative? The music labels won't let anyone sell non-DRM'd music. Since you can't legally buy non-DRM'd music, what would you have us do?
If DRM went away, online sales of digital music would go away, too. Period.
...seems to be about penis REDUCTION. I guess the word is out.
Who needs an "actual logical or ethical position?"
This is America, Jack, and I can sure you for any damn reason I please. If I want to sure you because the color of your eyes causes me unnecessary headaches, then by god, I can do so.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Here's a recap on the Napster-related things that went down at the VMAs:
For the record, Metallica wasn't there...only Lars.
In the pre-game show (yes, I know it's not a game, but doesn't it sound more fun that way?), Lars was interviewed by one of the MTV boobs (seems like it was Chris Connely, but I could be wrong). Said interviewer asked him about the Napster case and Lars said that he was trying to not thing about it much tonight. The interviewer pressed him for some comment (he may as well have said, "Look, Lars. I'm going to lose my job if I don't get you to speak about this. After all, it is pretty much the only reason you're still a celeb, right?"), and Lars said something like, "Well...yeah, it's an issue. With the MP3.com ruling that just went down yesterday, we're felling mroe and more confident." That's not an exact quote, mind you.
About half-way into the Big Show (that's MTV's creative team at work), MTV teen idol Carson Daly brought out Shawn Fanning (creator of Napster) to help him introduce Britney for her performace. Shawn came out sporting a Metallica t-shirt. MTV editors cut to Lars in the audience, who rolled his eyes, and then acted as if he was asleep while Shawn spoke. Inteligent display, Lars. Way to go. Carson then proceded to display his journalistic observation talents by commenting, "Nice shirt." Shawn, in a quip that was funny, but clearly planned, said something to the effect of "Oh, thanks. It's not mine...a friend is sharing it with me." Some laughs ensued, but I think most of the audience missed the joke. Shawn then followed-up: "I'm thinking of getting my own, though." Carson made some comment about how they should get on with the introduction, and Fanning replied that "the sooner I can get off this stage, the better." Whatever the hell that means. Following this, Britney got naked.
A while later, there was a somewhat anti-napster skit in which Shawn Wayans acted (I'm using this term very liberally here)as if he was a Napster-using, college-student Metallica fan. Lars comes in, gives him the definiton of sharing (by picking up his coke, drinking it, and then informing him that he's "sharing 10 years of groupies with him"), starts slapping Napster-logo stickers on everthing in sight, and calling in his roadies to take all of the things he plans to "share." Final tag line: "Sharing: It's only fun when it's not your stuff." All in all, an entirely unfunny display (this, by the way, was common with anything that involved the night's hosts).
Finally, Lars came on stage to introduce Blink 182 for their closing performance, and there were unquestionably boos to be heard form the audience. There was plenty of cheers as well, though. I wouldn't say that Lars was treated in any absolutly convincing manner that "shows public opinion." He made some (unfunny) joke about how Metallica wasn't available to perform, so they had to settle for Blink. Blink then brings on shitloads of midgets for it's rendention of "All the SMALL Things." Get it? See what they did there? "Small Things"...Midgets...Get it?
Good Lord, why do I continue to watch this network?
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
That's not a commercial, it's the afore mentioned skit from the Video Music Awards.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Apparently you didn't read the article, or even the /. summary.
This isn't happening NOW, it happened 3-5 years ago. I don't think we'll be hearing anything from Connectix, particulary since VPC wasn't even born yet when the Star Trek project got it's start.
Pay attention.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
You're half-right. What linux REALLY needs is apps that act the same as their desktop enviroment. That's what the author is talking about...consistency. And it's part of making better apps.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
So, what you're saying is: RedHat releases a product, then fixes bugs in susequent releases? Wow, novel concept.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
To all of you who insist that Apple would kill it's hardware sales by offering Mac OS X for Intel... ...Have you considered the possibility that Apple might actually sell Intel hardware itself?
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Except fot the fact that news and COMMENTARY (such as yours) are covered under fair use. :)
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Just thought of something-
Didn't we go through a lot fo this a few years back when hotline was getting nailed in every hole from legal systems?
Whatever happened there? Hotline is still around. I'm not sure what the results of the cases were. Anyone have a clue? i just wonder how that info might apply to Napster.
For those of you who don't know, Hotline is a (relativley old) file sharing/bbs type system. It showed up three years ago or so on Macs and includes file transfer, news, chat, etc. It was evenatually ported to Windows, and clones are available for BeOS and Linux. In essecnce, it allows peer-to-peer file sharing. Hotline differs from Napster in two main ways:
1. It does all file types, not just MP3. 2. The client and server are seperate applications (although it should be noted that the server was every bit intended to be run on PCs but Everyday Ordinary People (TM))
Anyway, just wondering what bearing these previous preceedings might have on Napster...anyone know?
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Agreed. As i say, I think they will probably include it. However, they haven't made a commitment either way, as the original poster said they have.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
This is incorrect. Apple has never stated ANYTHING on this matter.
The rumor sites indicate that the terminal will likey be included on the CD as part of an optional install, but there has been no confirmation of this from Apple.
Apple won't say anything until the day the beta gets here. Dp4 ships with a terminal program, and I think it's a safe bet to say the final will as well (wether it's in the default install or not), but to say that "Apple has stated that the Terminal won't ship with the OS, and you won't be finding very many Unixisms. " is incorrect in every way.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
This "anoymous coward" report is taken VERBATIM from MacNN.com. Just thought we should give credit where credit is due. You can see the full article here:
http://www.macnn.com/feature.php?id=10
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Sure, you could own Metallica CDs, and you could rip MP3s from the, and more than likley, no one would bitch (though at this point, it's hard telling). The problem is NOT that you HAVE Metallica MP3s. It's that you have them in your SHARED Napster music folder, henceforth making them available to people who DIDN'T buy the CDs. Someone mentioned buying some Limp Biskit even if you don't like them. I think this is a great idea. I, for one, am going to go buy a CD I would never have bought, just to make a political statment. The record industry won't know or care, but I'll sure feel good about it!
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
My question is this:
How well do you understand the Napster technology? Are you even aware that Napster The Company does not house these MP3s that you are suing them over? If you are not knowledgable about the tech involved, how can you put your names on a lawsuit regarding it?
Time and time again, you guys have refered to Napster as a "website" when it fact it is a software program. This is the primary reason why I question the your understand of what's going on here, exactly.
Mark my words, guys. You're ruining your legacy by doing this. You're going to go down in infamy instead of as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time. You're going to alienate your fan and THEN lose, anyway.
Good work.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
On the subject of the Mac platform being so closed:
Why is it, then, that a platform which has less than 10% of the market share, manages to have 6-8 OSes to choose from, when Intel, with 90% of the market share has 10-15?
If the mac is truly less open, explain the disproportionate (as compared to market share) level of open source development.
----------
Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Understood, but:
This guy says he bought the domain specifically for a website. Where is it? I'm sorry, but i think he's a cybersquatter.
I couldn't find ANY hosts using this domains when i looked. The domain is just being held.
what kills the argument is not that there is no website...
it's that he SAID he bought it for a website and then didn't put one up.
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Jeff Croft
http://jeffcroft.com
http://industrystandard.org
http://newbeetle.org
Who's to say they didn't just pop another box in here right now on that IP so that if there is any exploits, they won't harm their real content?
For the record, the Volkswagen Motors Group owns all of these: VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Rolls Royce, Bently, Bugatti, and Lambroghini.
I came here to post that vw.com is also down, and that audi is part of the volkswagen motor group... since that's already been mentioned, I'll just say this: The is just a preventive measue. I think we can all feel comfortable that VW and Audi's servers are probably Y2K compliant. But, as has been mentioned, there's an undeniably higer probability for cracking, etc. on this day, and they're just covering their ass. What's the big deal? Seems to me that they're just being prudent, not being pussies... Jeff Croft http://newbeetle.org