well in order for the delete attribute to be worth it the versioning filesystem would need to exist. I jsut didn't put it in the original comment because I didn't think it would spark so much debate.
mod parent up, that's exactly what happened to him. Just be patient the wave will subside in about a week. Most mail servers are set to bounce mail after 7 days for domains that don't exist. IT will slow down some over the next days with the last bounce happening in a few days.
NO you can't. Not on VMS. I guess I should have explained more. See here.
If someone has "Delete" privs on VMS they can delete all versions of the file.
Well to work properly it would also need to have the versioned filesystem of VMS. So if someone were to say overwrite it with zero's then you just revert back to the previous version that wasn't zero's. You see? If the file is deleted the file is gone, but if someone changes the file to be useless, then I could jsut revert it. Make sense? There's no way anyone with only write permission could destroy any part of the system permanently. It's just a one command restore.
no not at all. For example, a place where I would love this is on my netatalk servers. Users connect from their Mac's all the time and occasionally will accidentally delete an entire directory. On VMS you can specify that people can modify, can move, read, can execute, but cannot delete it. So on my 4-cluster rsync'd netatalk cluster (the stuff on it is _REALLY_ important) when someone deletes a folder they just get a message that says they can't do that.
I think it's POSIX that specifies the permission attributes though, so I don't think it's UNIX's fault per se, it would still be nice.
I like Unix, but I think I'd add some VMS stuff. Like a Delete attribute. VMS you can set people to have read/write/execute and delete. in unix if people have write, they can write it to "null" *grumble*.
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I've got a GC, I'd love to play it online. Hello, Nintendo? You there? helllooooo....online Zelda? I f this homelad game is made into engrish, I'll buy it, and the GC adapter. Looks neat. Sort of like an online Zelda (in a windwaker sort of way).
cuz a kernel with ext3 support is too big for a floppy. You could use a live CD if you wanted, but I just like the fuzzy feeling feeling I get knowing I *can* mount it ext2 if the need arose.
eh, yes and no. I sort of agree with you, but if you have problems during the day and have to restart the DNS service the mail service should be able to handle that gracefully. So in theory a couple seconds when the machine is first booting shouldn't be any big deal.
The only thing I've noticed is that if I use a console login right away I might get a couple of errant [OK] messages that belonged to whatever service just finished loading. FWIW I wouldn't try this on a real production server. Of course I tent to use OpenBSD for those anyway:-)
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well in order for the delete attribute to be worth it the versioning filesystem would need to exist. I jsut didn't put it in the original comment because I didn't think it would spark so much debate.
mod parent up, that's exactly what happened to him. Just be patient the wave will subside in about a week. Most mail servers are set to bounce mail after 7 days for domains that don't exist. IT will slow down some over the next days with the last bounce happening in a few days.
I too was joe-jobbed once and it is not pleasant.
thanks, that's one of the things...*sigh*
NO you can't. Not on VMS. I guess I should have explained more. See here.
If someone has "Delete" privs on VMS they can delete all versions of the file.
Actually it does protect from deliberate sabotage. See here.
Well to work properly it would also need to have the versioned filesystem of VMS. So if someone were to say overwrite it with zero's then you just revert back to the previous version that wasn't zero's. You see? If the file is deleted the file is gone, but if someone changes the file to be useless, then I could jsut revert it. Make sense? There's no way anyone with only write permission could destroy any part of the system permanently. It's just a one command restore.
plan 9 is nice, and to give you an idea of the power and extensibility of it, go play with Inferno.
no not at all. For example, a place where I would love this is on my netatalk servers. Users connect from their Mac's all the time and occasionally will accidentally delete an entire directory. On VMS you can specify that people can modify, can move, read, can execute, but cannot delete it. So on my 4-cluster rsync'd netatalk cluster (the stuff on it is _REALLY_ important) when someone deletes a folder they just get a message that says they can't do that. I think it's POSIX that specifies the permission attributes though, so I don't think it's UNIX's fault per se, it would still be nice.
I like Unix, but I think I'd add some VMS stuff. Like a Delete attribute. VMS you can set people to have read/write/execute and delete. in unix if people have write, they can write it to "null" *grumble*.
the screenshot showed the NES version though, am I wrong?
at least they actually liked Zelda. :-)
maybe listed in here? :-)
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And I kinda like the GIMP UI. :-)
I'm thinking someone should tell the scientists that Santa isn't real.
FWIW I think the popularity of the DS might show this to Nintendo...at least I hope it does.
I've got a GC, I'd love to play it online. Hello, Nintendo? You there? helllooooo....online Zelda? I f this homelad game is made into engrish, I'll buy it, and the GC adapter. Looks neat. Sort of like an online Zelda (in a windwaker sort of way).
Easy torrent access here.
My first thought was that this was a new archie client. :-(
cuz a kernel with ext3 support is too big for a floppy. You could use a live CD if you wanted, but I just like the fuzzy feeling feeling I get knowing I *can* mount it ext2 if the need arose.
post it here if you find it...
ahhh Ya I can see that scenario.
I t certainly does sound like a project. Wanna work on it? I've been brainstorming since this thread popped up.
eh, yes and no. I sort of agree with you, but if you have problems during the day and have to restart the DNS service the mail service should be able to handle that gracefully. So in theory a couple seconds when the machine is first booting shouldn't be any big deal.
I like you idea for P though...hmmm
Thinking....
My system is a 3G Athlon (Barton core) and I literally have a control of the system within about 10 seconds after lilo loads.
I like ext3 a lot. My main reason for ext3 is that if something goes really really sour, you can boot from a floppy and mount it as ext2.
The only thing I've noticed is that if I use a console login right away I might get a couple of errant [OK] messages that belonged to whatever service just finished loading. FWIW I wouldn't try this on a real production server. Of course I tent to use OpenBSD for those anyway :-)