It's still there (in fact, if you previously disabled them, it will stay disabled and you won't be able to turn it on). It just got removed from the GUI.
Delete/edit all/some the -ns.js (e.g., prefs-ns.js) and you'll get it back to mozillaness.
It's the fact you have to mention the one example where it's easier that proves how bad Linux is with these things. For 95% of people Windows is much easier to get online.
Which is why I use Win2k, which is stable and ready for the market NOW. I also in that post complained about the internet speed, which was particularly pissing me off.
BUT
with linux I couldn't even use the internet, because of the way our proxy server does authentication.
> > Oh dear! Because Linux is a single machine OS, she didn't (and couldn't) log on to the network when she logged on to her machine.
> HO! HO! HO! Now you've got me rolling on the floor!! You, my dear, are so utterly clueless it makes me scream. Single machine OS? Have you ever actually used any UNIX variants? Have you, perhaps, heard of NFS? Novell? Do you know how to run an X display? Perhaps you have never had to do a telnet or remote login?
Let me explain:
I installed Win 2k on our network. I didn't have to add myself as a user.
I powered up my machine for the first time. I logged in.
I installed Linux. It said: please add a user. So I did.
The difference: with the Win 2k install any user in our domain could logon - the internet was there and working, the network was there.
In Linux: it was resolutely standalone. I had an IP to the network, and I could get file from it, but only after spending ages working out how to do it (smbclient), and having to login to that separately.
The internet didn't work because it required the user to have authenticated to the network on login. The filesharing was a joke.
But most importantly:
with Win2k ANYONE could use the machine and be productive who was authorised on our domain.
with Linux you had to have an account on the machine.
I don't think it is fair to moderate my post down.
It's a pretty cowardly thing to do - rather than trying to rebutt my legitimate criticisms of Linux, you just mark them down.
But the fact is, they are totally accurate. Using Linux as a *desktop* machine (and I don't mean a nerd's desktop) for *ordinary people* to use doesn't make any sense.
Perhaps if you can show my criticism are unfounded, *then* these moderations might be justified (but even then I don't think so, since Slashdot is about debate - you don't get moderated down for being wrong (rather, it seems, for disagreeing with the cozy opinions of those stuck in the Linux ghetto and wetting themselves every time someone installs a Linux machine)).
Linux is great for nerds - nerdy people love to create scripts that do
for i in thingy do grep z|ss|xargs|find -ss -z -* -t "hh" less
to achieve the same thing they'd do on Windows with a GUI.
The arcaneness is the appeal.
But for anyone else....
And another thing:
stability:
It is a myth that Windows is less stable.
Maybe Windows + GUI + IIS +++ is less stable than
Linux Kernel + Apache
but that's just because the Linux way only has a few hundred lines of code and there's nothing to go wrong.
But comparing GUI to GUI, Windows pisses all over Linux.
To give an example of my own Linux experiences, my *text editor* crashed. I mean goddamn it the text editor.
And when I tried to configure it by right clicking, the links didn't work. When I went into the Control Center instead, that crashed when I clicked on the wrong thing. Microsoft, by comparison, get accused of producing unstable product when one program crashes under heavy load (and the irony is, it isn't use Microsoft software - it's probably Netscape!). You would no way getting the control panel in Windows crashing because you clicked on the wrong thing.
And when I tried to use the office software (something called Abiword), it said when I tried to do a list 'sorry this hasn't been written yet. Please edit xxxx.cpp'. And the spreadsheet, it let me create a graph (that didn't look as good as Excel, but they forgot to finish it, so when I went to edit it with the 'Graph Wizard' the whole program crashed.
And all the import and export filters were fucked - creating unusable HTML and worthless.docs. (The problem is that half the software you get with Linux is pre-alpha (critical parts of the system run version 0.01 software!), and most of that never gets finished because the open source developers don't have any reason to finish, as Microsoft developers do. There seemed to be a whole lot of unfinished software with ideas never finished (e.g., one program had an svg export option, but it was completely useless losing most of the formatting).
And not to mention the fact every program had a different UI. For example, when I wanted to view a movie I had to use this damn ugly and inconsistent with every other program piece of software, which seemed to have its UI built from scratch, meaning it was completely different from every other app on the system.
Not to mention the fact that the whole thing looked like shit because of the damn ugly fonts. Not much good for AOL is it?
Neither, of course, would you get the whole X server crashing out the command prompt, as I got with Linux.
Basically *all* Linux has is a goofy command line, which by definition will only ever impress nerds and hackers.
The title of this article is misleading. When I saw the headline I thought 'Oh shit, they've gone bust because they don't have a real revenue stream'. {This is true: their business model sucks: not enough ads to even cover the hosting (you hardly ever see them), PLUS they pay 1c per referral, when most of those pages don't even have any ads on, etc. When the internet bubble really bursts (and I mean really, not this bullshit like xxx.com was worth $1000 billion (more than a printed newspaper, which actually sell copies) and is now only worth $1 billion), Google will be one of the sites that will go.
This article really is a non-story - wow, about three searches are fucked. Big deal. Go to Altavista or wherever, and search for anything you'll find the same problem.
Oh shit. This is worse than I thought. This is closing the *entire* hacking section - in addition to the already closed warez section.
But, more importantly, what is illegal about a link? It is the site providing the illegal content that is at fault, not the linker.
Put it this way: if you ask me: 'Where can I get some warez copies of Windows?', and I say 'from the guy in the school car park', I haven't done anything illegal. Nor indeed have you by talking to that guy (reading the web page). It is only by buying ilegal software that an offense is committed.
AOL's legal department has forced editors to remove their content. The warez category has now been replaced by something called 'Software Piracy'. See here: http://direct ory.google.com/Top/Computers/Hacking/Software_Piracy/ (this is the Google mirror, because Dmoz has been slashdotted).
I wrote to one of the editors (all but one have since resigned), since there wasn't any explanation on the site, and here's what he said:
To: Anonymous Coward
Tue 19/09/00 07:14
it's been decided by the legal dept of dmoz that we no longer provide links
to sites giving out illegal material. so they have pretty much deleted all
the warez sites. anyways i'm not involved anymore as i resigned from my
position as warez editor.
[name removed]
Anyway, looks like AOL have censored the so-called 'Open' Directory out of existence.
Great.
So much for freedom on the net. It looks like we are left with AOL stifling diversity again, just like it did when it censored words like 'breast' in the past.
Basically corporations like AOL will control and censor the internet to suit its own interests, and there's nothing anyone can do. No 'free' organization could afford the infrastructure for a truly Open Directory, and so we end up with the 'Censored' directory.
Even if someone did setup a true Open Directory (please), because AOL controls all the content, and because affiliates will use the AOL version, it wouldn't get the profile it deserves, and so it wouldn't get the sites - DMOZ gets most of its visitors thanks to its use on sites like Google.
Anyway, I urge you all:
resign from the AOL directory.
retrieve the censored content from the google cache (do it like this:
go to http://directory.google.com, navigate to the censored section, and then append that URL to http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:.
Yes, it's fucked. I had to upgrade my NT4 because it crashed four times a day, and ever since then both mine and the other person in the office with Wince 2k have had a painfully bad connection to our T1.
Having Linux as a console OS is the dumbest idea I ever heard.
Ever wondered why $200 games consoles outperform $1000 machines? Yes, that's right, because they're built for the job.
Linux is full of all kinds of redundant code, and will always lag behind real consoles.
I mean FFS, *Unix* as a *games* system.
Linux sucks for games and will always suck. When X-Box comes out, it will wipe the floor with this thing. Why? Because Open Source never invented anything.
Open Source doesn't have any innovation, and will always be playing catch-up with the commercial software. Where's DirectX? Not there. OpenGL: not an open source innovation.
You can bet when XBox comes out Micrsoft will have come up with a whole heap of new stuff and the Open Source will always be left behind trying to copy (like Wine's copying (badly) DirectX)).
Why?
No income, so no funding for research and development. Microsoft spend billions of dollars on R&D, whereas Open Source spends precisely nothing.
That's not true. CD-roms are plenty fast enough - the CPU can't keep up with most of them except for sustained transfer (i.e. no graphics processing). That's why CD-ROMs are such a ripoff - they just increase the speed unnecessarily when you really only need a 12*.
> a browser that makes half the web look nothing like the designer intended
Good: the web is not about making some lame-assed and incompetent designer who doesn't have a clue about UI design make the web look how HE wants it. No, it's about ME. ME goddamn it. He doesn't make the pages for his benefit - he makes them for mine. So he can fuck off with his bullshit design intentions.
> in terms of usefulness, it rates somewhere below Netscape 3.
Shows how much you know. Netscape 3 is *the best* browser and certainly the most useful one. Why? Easy for me to disable JavaScript (alt+o n alt+s enter - takes under 1 second) - IE takes twenty seconds while I scroll through the biggest pile of shit this side of the Windows source code repository; easy for me to disable images (just one key stroke); fast, and not bloated like v4 or v6; doesn't crash; easy to disable Java (or don't install it in the first place); tells me what it's doing when it's downloading (e.g., 36% of 27kb); nice mail reader; good ftp client. It also supports everything I need to do - cookies, JavaScript, file upload etc.
IE for me is worthless trash - FTP client always hangs the browser window; browser windows often hang for no reason; no file download status indicator; bloated and slow.
Same for Netscape 4; Netscape 6 is ok, but I want the classic skin by default, and I don't want the AOL shit (that's why I use Mozilla), I don't like the crashes, I want to be able to disable crap like JavaShit when appropriate without fucking around with slow loading preference menus, and most importantly:
I WANT A FUCKING STATUS INDICATOR.
[BTW, NN3 does do Flash and Java, but you don't get them bloated in by default; the only thing you don't get is fucking annoying DHTML, which is COMPLETELY USELESS (Java and Flash suck too, but sometimes content can't been seen without them.)]
You might use other KDE apps (e.g., klyx); if so, download these to taste.
and then rpm -U for each (use gnome cause kde will be off your system).
It is important that you remove the old shit first, otherwise, you will, as I did, spend hours recompiling (ever tried compiling qt from scratch?) in an effort to remove conflicts. (And you won't get it to work properly either).
BTW, KDE 2 is very nice, and also very stable. It's *a lot* better than v1 - annoyances like the alt-tab support have been fixed, and in general it is technically far superior to other OSs. (E.g., just try playing with the blends on the backgrounds; not only can you get colours blending into each other, but you can apply filters to them to make very nice effects.)
Slashdot Mirror
It does.
You'll have to download it yourself of course, and it probably won't be compatible with this version of Mozilla but never mind.
It's the same one - both have build id 0811
It's still there (in fact, if you previously disabled them, it will stay disabled and you won't be able to turn it on). It just got removed from the GUI.
Delete/edit all/some the -ns.js (e.g., prefs-ns.js) and you'll get it back to mozillaness.
That's the 'favorites' icons. When something gets added to your bookmarks, if favicon.ico exists on the server it uses it as the icon.
It's the fact you have to mention the one example where it's easier that proves how bad Linux is with these things. For 95% of people Windows is much easier to get online.
We are a company. We have a network.
Any computer connected to that domain can be used without having to have a login on that system.
On Linux I had to have a Linux login in addition to the Windows one.
Regarding the internet, since it required full authentication to the Windows domain, it couldn't authenticate.
> Oh, wait, you were using SMB? Well, perhaps you should use a frontend like, oh, LinNeighborhood or gnomba or various others,
I could have done. But I didn't have them on the system. Windows has file sharing built in.
And, even if I'd had them, I'd still need to enter my password after logging in to use them.
Which is why I use Win2k, which is stable and ready for the market NOW. I also in that post complained about the internet speed, which was particularly pissing me off.
BUT
with linux I couldn't even use the internet, because of the way our proxy server does authentication.
> > Oh dear! Because Linux is a single machine OS, she didn't (and couldn't) log on to the network when she logged on to her machine.
> HO! HO! HO! Now you've got me rolling on the floor!! You, my dear, are so utterly clueless it makes me scream. Single machine OS? Have you ever actually used any UNIX variants? Have you, perhaps, heard of NFS? Novell? Do you know how to run an X display? Perhaps you have never had to do a telnet or remote login?
Let me explain:
I installed Win 2k on our network. I didn't have to add myself as a user.
I powered up my machine for the first time. I logged in.
I installed Linux. It said: please add a user. So I did.
The difference: with the Win 2k install any user in our domain could logon - the internet was there and working, the network was there.
In Linux: it was resolutely standalone. I had an IP to the network, and I could get file from it, but only after spending ages working out how to do it (smbclient), and having to login to that separately.
The internet didn't work because it required the user to have authenticated to the network on login. The filesharing was a joke.
But most importantly:
with Win2k ANYONE could use the machine and be productive who was authorised on our domain.
with Linux you had to have an account on the machine.
I don't think it is fair to moderate my post down.
It's a pretty cowardly thing to do - rather than trying to rebutt my legitimate criticisms of Linux, you just mark them down.
But the fact is, they are totally accurate. Using Linux as a *desktop* machine (and I don't mean a nerd's desktop) for *ordinary people* to use doesn't make any sense.
Perhaps if you can show my criticism are unfounded, *then* these moderations might be justified (but even then I don't think so, since Slashdot is about debate - you don't get moderated down for being wrong (rather, it seems, for disagreeing with the cozy opinions of those stuck in the Linux ghetto and wetting themselves every time someone installs a Linux machine)).
Don't get me wrong.
.docs. (The problem is that half the software you get with Linux is pre-alpha (critical parts of the system run version 0.01 software!), and most of that never gets finished because the open source developers don't have any reason to finish, as Microsoft developers do. There seemed to be a whole lot of unfinished software with ideas never finished (e.g., one program had an svg export option, but it was completely useless losing most of the formatting).
Linux is great for nerds - nerdy people love to create scripts that do
for i in thingy do grep z|ss|xargs|find -ss -z -* -t "hh" less
to achieve the same thing they'd do on Windows with a GUI.
The arcaneness is the appeal.
But for anyone else....
And another thing:
stability:
It is a myth that Windows is less stable.
Maybe Windows + GUI + IIS +++ is less stable than
Linux Kernel + Apache
but that's just because the Linux way only has a few hundred lines of code and there's nothing to go wrong.
But comparing GUI to GUI, Windows pisses all over Linux.
To give an example of my own Linux experiences, my *text editor* crashed. I mean goddamn it the text editor.
And when I tried to configure it by right clicking, the links didn't work. When I went into the Control Center instead, that crashed when I clicked on the wrong thing. Microsoft, by comparison, get accused of producing unstable product when one program crashes under heavy load (and the irony is, it isn't use Microsoft software - it's probably Netscape!). You would no way getting the control panel in Windows crashing because you clicked on the wrong thing.
And when I tried to use the office software (something called Abiword), it said when I tried to do a list 'sorry this hasn't been written yet. Please edit xxxx.cpp'. And the spreadsheet, it let me create a graph (that didn't look as good as Excel, but they forgot to finish it, so when I went to edit it with the 'Graph Wizard' the whole program crashed.
And all the import and export filters were fucked - creating unusable HTML and worthless
And not to mention the fact every program had a different UI. For example, when I wanted to view a movie I had to use this damn ugly and inconsistent with every other program piece of software, which seemed to have its UI built from scratch, meaning it was completely different from every other app on the system.
Not to mention the fact that the whole thing looked like shit because of the damn ugly fonts. Not much good for AOL is it?
Neither, of course, would you get the whole X server crashing out the command prompt, as I got with Linux.
Basically *all* Linux has is a goofy command line, which by definition will only ever impress nerds and hackers.
Just use Gnutella (or, better yet, a nicely done version of Gnutella without the porn, and only for mp3s).
The title of this article is misleading. When I saw the headline I thought 'Oh shit, they've gone bust because they don't have a real revenue stream'. {This is true: their business model sucks: not enough ads to even cover the hosting (you hardly ever see them), PLUS they pay 1c per referral, when most of those pages don't even have any ads on, etc. When the internet bubble really bursts (and I mean really, not this bullshit like xxx.com was worth $1000 billion (more than a printed newspaper, which actually sell copies) and is now only worth $1 billion), Google will be one of the sites that will go.
This article really is a non-story - wow, about three searches are fucked. Big deal. Go to Altavista or wherever, and search for anything you'll find the same problem.
It's called PerlScript.
Go to http://www.activestate.com/Products/ActivePerl/Do
I don't know. What do you think a good name for a computer is? Bob? Fred? Sam? Kathy?
Chip?
Mod this guy down. He's karma whoring trying to be funny. Posts like this should be posted as AC.
Oh shit. This is worse than I thought. This is closing the *entire* hacking section - in addition to the already closed warez section.
But, more importantly, what is illegal about a link? It is the site providing the illegal content that is at fault, not the linker.
Put it this way: if you ask me: 'Where can I get some warez copies of Windows?', and I say 'from the guy in the school car park', I haven't done anything illegal. Nor indeed have you by talking to that guy (reading the web page). It is only by buying ilegal software that an offense is committed.
I wrote [words to the effect]
AOL's legal department has forced editors to remove their content. The warez category has now been replaced by something called 'Software Piracy'. See here: http://direct ory .google.com/Top/Computers/Hacking/Software_Piracy/ (this is the Google mirror, because Dmoz has been slashdotted).
You can see the old content here http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:directory.goo gle.com/Top/Computers/Hacking/War ez/
I wrote to one of the editors (all but one have since resigned), since there wasn't any explanation on the site, and here's what he said:
To: Anonymous Coward Tue 19/09/00 07:14
it's been decided by the legal dept of dmoz that we no longer provide links to sites giving out illegal material. so they have pretty much deleted all the warez sites. anyways i'm not involved anymore as i resigned from my position as warez editor.
[name removed]
Anyway, looks like AOL have censored the so-called 'Open' Directory out of existence.
Great.
So much for freedom on the net. It looks like we are left with AOL stifling diversity again, just like it did when it censored words like 'breast' in the past.
Basically corporations like AOL will control and censor the internet to suit its own interests, and there's nothing anyone can do. No 'free' organization could afford the infrastructure for a truly Open Directory, and so we end up with the 'Censored' directory.
Even if someone did setup a true Open Directory (please), because AOL controls all the content, and because affiliates will use the AOL version, it wouldn't get the profile it deserves, and so it wouldn't get the sites - DMOZ gets most of its visitors thanks to its use on sites like Google.
Anyway, I urge you all:
And do it now!)
Yes, it's fucked. I had to upgrade my NT4 because it crashed four times a day, and ever since then both mine and the other person in the office with Wince 2k have had a painfully bad connection to our T1.
Open sauce requirements are:
place hand on lid of jar
rotate until lid comes off
pour sauce
Having Linux as a console OS is the dumbest idea I ever heard.
Ever wondered why $200 games consoles outperform $1000 machines? Yes, that's right, because they're built for the job.
Linux is full of all kinds of redundant code, and will always lag behind real consoles.
I mean FFS, *Unix* as a *games* system.
Linux sucks for games and will always suck. When X-Box comes out, it will wipe the floor with this thing. Why? Because Open Source never invented anything.
Open Source doesn't have any innovation, and will always be playing catch-up with the commercial software. Where's DirectX? Not there. OpenGL: not an open source innovation.
You can bet when XBox comes out Micrsoft will have come up with a whole heap of new stuff and the Open Source will always be left behind trying to copy (like Wine's copying (badly) DirectX)).
Why?
No income, so no funding for research and development. Microsoft spend billions of dollars on R&D, whereas Open Source spends precisely nothing.
That's not true. CD-roms are plenty fast enough - the CPU can't keep up with most of them except for sustained transfer (i.e. no graphics processing). That's why CD-ROMs are such a ripoff - they just increase the speed unnecessarily when you really only need a 12*.
Blah blah blah, this book rules.
Yeah right. Might be more convincing if you weren't only linking to it to get you a whole heap of cash in referral payments.
I can always tell when people are just trying to make themselves money, coz they post B & N instead of Amazon.
> a browser that makes half the web look nothing like the designer intended
Good: the web is not about making some lame-assed and incompetent designer who doesn't have a clue about UI design make the web look how HE wants it. No, it's about ME. ME goddamn it. He doesn't make the pages for his benefit - he makes them for mine. So he can fuck off with his bullshit design intentions.
> in terms of usefulness, it rates somewhere below Netscape 3.
Shows how much you know. Netscape 3 is *the best* browser and certainly the most useful one. Why? Easy for me to disable JavaScript (alt+o n alt+s enter - takes under 1 second) - IE takes twenty seconds while I scroll through the biggest pile of shit this side of the Windows source code repository; easy for me to disable images (just one key stroke); fast, and not bloated like v4 or v6; doesn't crash; easy to disable Java (or don't install it in the first place); tells me what it's doing when it's downloading (e.g., 36% of 27kb); nice mail reader; good ftp client. It also supports everything I need to do - cookies, JavaScript, file upload etc.
IE for me is worthless trash - FTP client always hangs the browser window; browser windows often hang for no reason; no file download status indicator; bloated and slow.
Same for Netscape 4; Netscape 6 is ok, but I want the classic skin by default, and I don't want the AOL shit (that's why I use Mozilla), I don't like the crashes, I want to be able to disable crap like JavaShit when appropriate without fucking around with slow loading preference menus, and most importantly:
I WANT A FUCKING STATUS INDICATOR.
[BTW, NN3 does do Flash and Java, but you don't get them bloated in by default; the only thing you don't get is fucking annoying DHTML, which is COMPLETELY USELESS (Java and Flash suck too, but sometimes content can't been seen without them.)]
Oops I remember somthing like this - I installed KDE2 (1.93) on Mandrake 7.1, and while pretty, it was also pretty fucked. So:
Try this:
rpm -qa |grep kde | xargs rpm -e --nodeps
rpm -qa |grep qt | xargs rpm -e --nodeps
Then (or before you break your system!) download (from the 7.2beta directory NOT cooker):
Mandatory:
kdebase-1.99-17mdk.i586.rpm 8,159KB 10/10/00 9:00 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdelibs-1.99-5mdk.i586.rpm 4,875KB 06/10/00 11:18 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdesupport-1.99-1mdk.i586.rpm 118KB 06/10/00 8:01 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
mandrake_desk-7.2-18mdk.noarch.rpm 1,212KB 09/10/00 15:47 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
menu-2.1.5-40mdk.i586.rpm 1,060KB 10/10/00 7:20 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
qt2-2.2.1-1mdk.i586.rpm 2,872KB 06/10/00 10:57 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
Recommended:
kde1-compat-1.1.2-7mdk.i586.rpm 1,873KB 06/10/00 8:00 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdegames-1.99-2mdk.i586.rpm 4,080KB 10/10/00 3:48 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdenetwork-1.99-2mdk.i586.rpm 2,747KB 06/10/00 13:23 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdoc-1.99-1mdk.noarch.rpm 74KB 06/10/00 8:01 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdeutils-1.99-3mdk.i586.rpm 2,148KB 10/10/00 2:09 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdeaddutils-1.99-3mdk.i586.rpm 1,462KB 10/10/00 2:09 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kfun21-0.2-2mdk.i586.rpm 172KB 09/10/00 11:52 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kless-1.4.8-11mdk.i586.rpm 83KB 06/10/00 13:23 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
koffice-1.99-3mdk.i586.rpm 4,036KB 06/10/00 8:01 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kterm-6.2.0-14mdk.i586.rpm 85KB 06/10/00 8:02 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
Pretty useless:
kdemultimedia-1.99-3mdk.i586.rpm 3,333KB 06/10/00 13:23 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdepim-1.99-2mdk.i586.rpm 946KB 06/10/00 13:23 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdesdk-1.99-2mdk.i586.rpm 794KB 10/10/00 3:48 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdetoys-1.99-1mdk.i586.rpm 929KB 06/10/00 8:01 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdiff-0.8.4-6mdk.i586.rpm 136KB 06/10/00 8:01 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdiskcat-0.5.3-5mdk.i586.rpm 153KB 09/10/00 11:52 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
kdegraphics-1.99-2mdk.i586.rpm 1,350KB 06/10/00 13:23 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
Other recommended 7.2 upgrades
menudrake-0.2-3mdk.i586.rpm 103KB 09/10/00 6:32 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
rpmdrake-1.1-13mdk.i586.rpm 76KB 10/10/00 6:38 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
urpmi-1.3-10mdk.i586.rpm 45KB 06/10/00 8:08 -rw-r--r---rw-r--r--
You might use other KDE apps (e.g., klyx); if so, download these to taste.
and then rpm -U for each (use gnome cause kde will be off your system).
It is important that you remove the old shit first, otherwise, you will, as I did, spend hours recompiling (ever tried compiling qt from scratch?) in an effort to remove conflicts. (And you won't get it to work properly either).
BTW, KDE 2 is very nice, and also very stable. It's *a lot* better than v1 - annoyances like the alt-tab support have been fixed, and in general it is technically far superior to other OSs. (E.g., just try playing with the blends on the backgrounds; not only can you get colours blending into each other, but you can apply filters to them to make very nice effects.)
Recommended, of course, is to download the latest Mandrake release candidate from www.linux-mandrake.com; then report bugs to their bugzilla.
A quick query on that site shows that there aren't too many release-critical bugs, but if you find any, PLEASE REPORT THEM.