Standards shouldn't be something you pick and choose to adhere to. The idea behind a standard is that everyone uses it universally, so there's no interoperability issues. The idea of cafetaria standards (where you choose to adhere to what you want) is seldom a good practice.
I wish I had your luck. Personally I prefer apt to rpm, but I've had my apt db get corrupted several times. Sure, it only happens with sid, but I want new packages, and woody ain't getting them during the freeze. (and before anyone suggests it, apt-pinning in this case is really more trouble than it's worth).
I don't see how a reference to IBM Linux commercials is offtopic (surely someone else has seen these). Seems like a valid question to me. Perhaps it was modded down because it had a hint of degrading linux? That has to be a first.
What are your feelings on Linux being the star basketball player? Personally I don't like hotshots in any sport, but are there plans for Linux to play anything else?
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But MSFT has always been in conflict with the computer enthusuast, and that's why we seek alternatives.
Disregarding the rest of what you have to say (some of which was completely valid, and some of which was a bit off the ball), are you implying that because I don't necessarily seek alternatives (though I do enjoy both open and closed systems), I'm not a computer enthusiast?
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I personally use Mozilla, and I use IE (really depending on what OS I'm in at the time). I like both, and use the one I deem best on the given platform. Personally, I had always wanted MS to release IE for Linux, but they didn't want to encourage that community, and now I think it's funny that AOL is ditching IE for the "IE-Replacement". In any case, I never knew about that preferences toolbar, and I'll have to check it out (thanks). But the point of my post was to play the role of a realist:)
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You know, MS may charge too much for products (but anything that is not free is probably too much for you), and may have security holes (and we all know how security hole free the OSS community is right?), but they make good products. I'm a user, not a politician. And unfortunately, the OSS community (not all, but a large part of it), push politics more than they do software innovation. Who cares? Do your own thing. If someone asks you for a recommendation, make a suggestion. But why does the OSS community need to take over all desktops (and then bitch about the cluelessness of those so-called lusers?)
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Not to be rude or anything, but why? If Product A tends to perform better than Product B, and I earnestly like Product A better than Product B, why would I go out of my way to inform the Product B development team to have them make their product better? I don't know about everyone else, but I don't actively look to switch out working software, UNLESS the other software already has something that attracts me.
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Why is this Flamebait? Because this guy took a view that contradicts the parent?
So, you're insinuating that every MS patch always fails to correct the problem and every OSS patch works all the time? It must be nice in your little world.
MS treats it like it is. I don't think they would treat it like a PR disaster if they weren't harshly criticized every time a bug was found. OSS people tend to think that everyone else's bugs are a huge problem except their own.
And I think that little modification will make your statement much more accurate.
IE is free (and since it is avaiable for Macs and some variants of UNIX, saying you pay for it in Windows is wrong).
No, KDE is fairly new to the market. 20 years ago, most PCs weren't interconnected, and MS was making home products. I would imagine it's hard to find security holes in a disconnected system (or even bother spending the resources to fix something like that).
If I find a bug in KDE, I'm not going to fix it. There are few OSS projects I actively modify code in. I simply don't have the time to examine the KDE source, try to make a fix, recompile, repeat. If I find a bug, I move on to something else.
And I guess a code patch doesn't constitute a patch in your vocabularly. That's a shame.
My point is the two totally different attitudes towards the two web browser security holes. MS releases a patch, and everyone jumps down its throat, but KDE makes "bug fixes" and everyone praises the KDE team.
Jefferson wasn't exactly the greatest patriot. If he had his way in Marbury v. Madison, it would have set a precedent that would have severely diminished the authority and respectability of the Supreme Court, while giving more power to the President.
Why would they waste the money to hire someone and fix the problem? To appease some Linux users that will never use a MS system anyway? You have to realize that most consumers simply don't care. It's not ignorance, it's priority. To most people, getting out food shopping, taking the kids to soccer, and any of a billion other things take precedent over whether or not their local PC is secure or not.
As for the patch often mindset, you're preaching to a group of individuals that just last week criticized MS for releasing another patch for IE 6.0.
A bore is someone who persists in holding his own views after we have enlightened him with ours.
--Taken from the footer of a/. page. Maybe people ought to practice what they preach.
Yes, but any common sense or logical thought gets modded down immediately, so you screwed from the start buddy. Don't take it so hard. It happens to the best of us.
Why is programming Win32 only inane, but programming for *nix systems only not inane?
Btw, MS has always had an academic agreement whereby institutions would be granted the source code for academic use. So, it's not as if the source has always been closed, just restricted.
Just because you don't agree, don't mean it's not right. It's all a matter of perspective. I, myself, agree with most of these sentiments. I've had linux crash a number of times (more than I had with win2k), and all I could attribute it to was hardware drivers. The problem isn't a big one for me now, but a year and a half ago, it was a major pain. And the stuff the poster mentions about the file systems is pretty accurate, regardless of whether or not it was meant as a flame.
Regardless of what technique is used to write the data out, I still doubt the "pressing" occurs at the same time of manufacture, lest my understanding of CD technology is flawed, which it may very well be. But I thought it consisted of some sort of polymer being molded and then allowed to cool.
I think this is the first time I've ever had a good debate with anyone on/. Sorry for the offensiveness in the beginning, but I was expecting a troll:-P
Sounds like you work for a crappy company. I suggest you take a look at a place like Cisco or Cadence or GE. I've interned for a couple summers at one of them, and from what I gather, the other two are just as good.
I'm really quite amazed that your meaningless post garnered a score of 3, while my post which poses an interesting situation was labeled as Flamebait.
You're looking for a scapegoat, and now your really reaching to get at it, since it's not as easily accessible as it used to be. You're point is ridiculous at best. In any decent company, even the minute software engineer can play a key part in crafting that company's strategy. Usually, this is how people get promotions, but demonstrating such ability. And since MS is quite a large company, I would imagine there are quite a few people crafting this strategy and that this isn't all Gates' doing. I'm sure your counter-argument is that everyone will listen to Gates above any other suggestion. The flaw with that logic is that Gates is a very shrewd businessman, and no such person tosses away good ideas with his own short-sightedness. It would be foolish to think that Ballmer does not play an equal if not larger role in crafting MS business strategy.
Has everyone lost sight of the fact that Gates is no longer the CEO of MS, and has not been some for some time now? This just further shows how/. feeds off of anti-MS, anti-Gates rhetoric.
What worries me is that its availability will discourage people from making a good free replacement.. That's how he is taking away my freedom...
Where does the concept change? Now it's just people not giving you software that they never wrote. Furthermore, it's not like anyone owes you this unwritten software. How is that freedom?
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Standards shouldn't be something you pick and choose to adhere to. The idea behind a standard is that everyone uses it universally, so there's no interoperability issues. The idea of cafetaria standards (where you choose to adhere to what you want) is seldom a good practice.
I wish I had your luck. Personally I prefer apt to rpm, but I've had my apt db get corrupted several times. Sure, it only happens with sid, but I want new packages, and woody ain't getting them during the freeze. (and before anyone suggests it, apt-pinning in this case is really more trouble than it's worth).
I don't see how a reference to IBM Linux commercials is offtopic (surely someone else has seen these). Seems like a valid question to me. Perhaps it was modded down because it had a hint of degrading linux? That has to be a first.
What are your feelings on Linux being the star basketball player? Personally I don't like hotshots in any sport, but are there plans for Linux to play anything else?
But MSFT has always been in conflict with the computer enthusuast, and that's why we seek alternatives.
Disregarding the rest of what you have to say (some of which was completely valid, and some of which was a bit off the ball), are you implying that because I don't necessarily seek alternatives (though I do enjoy both open and closed systems), I'm not a computer enthusiast?
I personally use Mozilla, and I use IE (really depending on what OS I'm in at the time). I like both, and use the one I deem best on the given platform. Personally, I had always wanted MS to release IE for Linux, but they didn't want to encourage that community, and now I think it's funny that AOL is ditching IE for the "IE-Replacement". In any case, I never knew about that preferences toolbar, and I'll have to check it out (thanks). But the point of my post was to play the role of a realist :)
You know, MS may charge too much for products (but anything that is not free is probably too much for you), and may have security holes (and we all know how security hole free the OSS community is right?), but they make good products. I'm a user, not a politician. And unfortunately, the OSS community (not all, but a large part of it), push politics more than they do software innovation. Who cares? Do your own thing. If someone asks you for a recommendation, make a suggestion. But why does the OSS community need to take over all desktops (and then bitch about the cluelessness of those so-called lusers?)
Not to be rude or anything, but why? If Product A tends to perform better than Product B, and I earnestly like Product A better than Product B, why would I go out of my way to inform the Product B development team to have them make their product better? I don't know about everyone else, but I don't actively look to switch out working software, UNLESS the other software already has something that attracts me.
Why is this Flamebait? Because this guy took a view that contradicts the parent?
So, you're insinuating that every MS patch always fails to correct the problem and every OSS patch works all the time? It must be nice in your little world.
MS treats it like it is. I don't think they would treat it like a PR disaster if they weren't harshly criticized every time a bug was found. OSS people tend to think that everyone else's bugs are a huge problem except their own.
And I think that little modification will make your statement much more accurate.
IE is free (and since it is avaiable for Macs and some variants of UNIX, saying you pay for it in Windows is wrong).
No, KDE is fairly new to the market. 20 years ago, most PCs weren't interconnected, and MS was making home products. I would imagine it's hard to find security holes in a disconnected system (or even bother spending the resources to fix something like that).
If I find a bug in KDE, I'm not going to fix it. There are few OSS projects I actively modify code in. I simply don't have the time to examine the KDE source, try to make a fix, recompile, repeat. If I find a bug, I move on to something else.
And I guess a code patch doesn't constitute a patch in your vocabularly. That's a shame.
My point is the two totally different attitudes towards the two web browser security holes. MS releases a patch, and everyone jumps down its throat, but KDE makes "bug fixes" and everyone praises the KDE team.
Gotta love bias and OSS zealots.
And why does your question about this get treated as "Flamebait", while comments that do nothing more than deride MS get treated as "Insightful"?
Jefferson wasn't exactly the greatest patriot. If he had his way in Marbury v. Madison, it would have set a precedent that would have severely diminished the authority and respectability of the Supreme Court, while giving more power to the President.
As for the patch often mindset, you're preaching to a group of individuals that just last week criticized MS for releasing another patch for IE 6.0.
--Taken from the footer of a
Yes, but any common sense or logical thought gets modded down immediately, so you screwed from the start buddy. Don't take it so hard. It happens to the best of us.
Why is programming Win32 only inane, but programming for *nix systems only not inane?
Btw, MS has always had an academic agreement whereby institutions would be granted the source code for academic use. So, it's not as if the source has always been closed, just restricted.
Just because you don't agree, don't mean it's not right. It's all a matter of perspective. I, myself, agree with most of these sentiments. I've had linux crash a number of times (more than I had with win2k), and all I could attribute it to was hardware drivers. The problem isn't a big one for me now, but a year and a half ago, it was a major pain. And the stuff the poster mentions about the file systems is pretty accurate, regardless of whether or not it was meant as a flame.
Regardless of what technique is used to write the data out, I still doubt the "pressing" occurs at the same time of manufacture, lest my understanding of CD technology is flawed, which it may very well be. But I thought it consisted of some sort of polymer being molded and then allowed to cool.
I think this is the first time I've ever had a good debate with anyone on /. Sorry for the offensiveness in the beginning, but I was expecting a troll :-P
Sounds like you work for a crappy company. I suggest you take a look at a place like Cisco or Cadence or GE. I've interned for a couple summers at one of them, and from what I gather, the other two are just as good.
I'm really quite amazed that your meaningless post garnered a score of 3, while my post which poses an interesting situation was labeled as Flamebait.
You're looking for a scapegoat, and now your really reaching to get at it, since it's not as easily accessible as it used to be. You're point is ridiculous at best. In any decent company, even the minute software engineer can play a key part in crafting that company's strategy. Usually, this is how people get promotions, but demonstrating such ability. And since MS is quite a large company, I would imagine there are quite a few people crafting this strategy and that this isn't all Gates' doing. I'm sure your counter-argument is that everyone will listen to Gates above any other suggestion. The flaw with that logic is that Gates is a very shrewd businessman, and no such person tosses away good ideas with his own short-sightedness. It would be foolish to think that Ballmer does not play an equal if not larger role in crafting MS business strategy.
I dissent. . .
Has everyone lost sight of the fact that Gates is no longer the CEO of MS, and has not been some for some time now? This just further shows how /. feeds off of anti-MS, anti-Gates rhetoric.
What worries me is that its availability will discourage people from making a good free replacement.. That's how he is taking away my freedom...
Where does the concept change? Now it's just people not giving you software that they never wrote. Furthermore, it's not like anyone owes you this unwritten software. How is that freedom?
I believe that's the speed of manufacturing a CD, not burning data to it.