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KDE 3.0.1 Ships
Andreas "Dre" Pour writes "Short on the heels of the remarkably successful launch of the KDE 3 series with
a very stable and complete KDE 3.0 last month,
the KDE Project has announced the immediate availability of KDE 3.0.1.
While primarily a translation release, it also squashes some bugs, including
some minor security issues with the HTML engine. Read the (relatively short)
announcement and the fairly complete
ChangeLog for more info.
Binary packages are already available from the stalwart KDE packagers at
Compaq Tru64, Conectiva Linux, Mandrake Linux and SuSE Linux.
As always, we hope you enjoy the latest and greatest KDE!"
arts
:)
Build fixes
It seems to be that we finally have GCC3 support
Tis better to be silent and thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt --Abraham Lincoln
Too bad debian doesnt enjoy any kde 3.x release...yet.
Why does an Internet Explorer security patch get treated with derision from the editors, while a security patch for Konqurer gets by with no editorial comment whatsoever? Let's face it, there are no "minor" security problems.
A little consistency is all I ask!
Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized. -AC
no mention of the ksplash fix tho.
(updating your qt package will most likely fix this however)
I just pooped your party.
Congratulations to the KDE team! Projects like these have a fairly high visibility, and it's good to see solid releases.
Now, when Gnome2 comes out I'll be _really_ happy!
/Janne
Trust the Computer. The Computer is your friend.
Will in more ways than one,
1: Microsft proclaim that IE is an intergral part of windows, so a security bug in IE is a security bug in the entire OS.
2: KDE is Open Source, you can't really complain that much about bugs, if you havn't botherd to look through the code to find them (due dilligance or somthing).
3: KDE(this is an OS acording to one of microsofts expert witnesses hmm...) != Windows
thank God the internet isn't a human right.
One of the goals of OSS is to allow developers to reuse each-other's code, so a technique like this would put KDE miles ahead of the Microsoft desktop, where such code reuse is not possible.
And the OpenBSD project is now part of the game, e.g.,
the update of various ports to kde 3.0.1 will be committed
today, thanks to advance access to the tarballs from the
kde guys. Thanks a lot !
--
Marc Espie
3.0 was stable?
could you please tell that to my copy of Konqueror, crashing every 10mins. Still, better than 2.2.
AC
I have to admit, Im not that much a Linux user. But if there is one thing that comes to my mind if I hear KDE its "slow". When I start it up on my Computer I better get a cup of coffee ^^; Hopefuklly this version is a bit faster :)
+++ MELON MELON MELON +++ Out of Cheese Error +++ redo from start +++
We found KDE and have never been happier since. And the stability rivals that of Tru64, AIX, VMS or any of the other "big iron" OS's.
[1]Well, the admins are a little pricey. But they earn every penny of it.
There are 2 problems with your proposal:
1: this would introduce homogeneity into the
linux environment, and MS has taught us this is
bad.
2: some people just don't like mozilla.
Anyone know where one can find the diffs for 3.0.1 (diffed from 3.0)? I will certainly not download the whole damn source again!!
Wait untill 3.1 before getting all those sexy new features u know u want ;p, kde 3.1 has tabbed browsing support in konqueror, and a few other nifty enhancments, but for those wanting a stable kde release, this is getting pretty stable.
Nerv
Microsoft IIS is to webserving as KFC is to healthy eating
I heard that KDE will be released on the companion CD for solaris 9. which you can now obtain.
sure a minor linux kernal patch gets acceped on slashdot but not a major release of Solaris, sigh
Are the KDE 3.0.1 RedHat RPM's out?
Where?
KEWL!!!
hurry and get the slackware packages built or i will just have to compile from source...
Andreas "Dre" Pour writes ...
Its nice to see this kind of thing on Slashdot. Now days everybody talks like they've got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of gibberish and motherf**kers act like they forgot about Dre...
Not on my computer it isn't (PIII 600 192MB)
What version are you running? :), in itself already fadter than 2.2.x , compiled with GCC3.1 and the newest binutils (2.12.90.0.7).
I'm using KDE3 (from CVS, wanted the tabs in konqueror
That version supports combreloc, wich makes the linker perform much better (does some kind of prelinking), wich causes C++ programs like KDE to startup much faster (starting konqueror now takes about a second or so)
If only I could come up with a good sig
I know they were supposed to be created in April, but seriously when will Solaris see the kde pkg's
Mod parent up!
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde
ftp://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde (http)
ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/packages/desktops/kde/ (http)
ftp://ftp.gtlib.cc.gatech.edu/pub/kde (http)
ftp://download.uk.kde.org/pub/kde (http)
ftp://download.au.kde.org/pub/kde (http)
ftp://download.at.kde.org/pub/kde/ (http)
ftp://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/ (http)
source: http://www.kde.org/ftpmirrors.html
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Until KDE is as fast as GNOME, I'm sticking with GNOME. K is just too damn slow.
No, not on 3.1.1, on the original KDE 3. When I start it up the splash screen runs through normally, but instead of terminating properly it segfaults at the end. Everything else is fine, and KDE seems unaffected by the splash screen crash, but it's a little unnerving to have it happen every single time. Anyone know 1) what might cause it and 2) whether this release might fix it?
STOP MISUSING APOSTROPHES, YOU MORONS!!!
The KDE project is famous for its funded and organised trolling of weblogs and message board associated with Linux and Free software/open source. Outrageous newbie impressing claims are made for the software and huge quanities of FUD are spread to destroy competitors. If this sounds familiar, then you are correct, most of these tactics were lifted straight from Microsoft's arsenal of dirty tricks. The Windows look and feel is not the only thing the KDE project has copied! In this short article I will address some of the lies and FUD spread by the KDE trolling teams. It is my hope that this, in some small way, will redress the balance and re-introduce two things almost eradicated by the KDE project: Honesty and facts.
The oft-heard cry of the noisiest KDE advocates. No explanation is given, the reader is expected to simply grok the wholesomeness of KDE and the lack of this mystical quality in GNOME. It is nonsense of course. Neither desktop is particularly "integrated" compared to Windows XP, and certainly not compared any version of the Apple Mac. Whatever "integrated" actually means.
Again, such nebulous arguments are never explained, and the reader is expected to simply understand the truth of the zealots statement. Both KDE and GNOME have user-interface irritations (all systems do), but "ease of use" is not a simple thing to measure. KDE has never been subjected to detailed user testing, unlike GNOME [gnome.org], and the claims of user-friendliness are from crazed supporters and not average users. Furthermore, the KDE faithful rarely look beyond simple-minded copying of Windows, and forget that administering a desktop system is just as important as having widgets in the correct place on the toolbar. For example: What about application installation and removal? GNOME has the excellent RedCarpet by Ximian [ximian.com], which makes the installation, removal and updating of applications trivial. KDE users are expected to fend for themselves with brutal command line driven systems. GNOME also has the excellent Ximian setup tools to handle various tricky cross-platform and potentially risky system configuration operations. KDE offers none of this, only a few small half-assed Linux-only tools, which make no attempt at check-pointing to return to known working configurations.
In what sense? Arguably more people use KDE, but it is a close run thing. Most KDE zealots use the results of online polls as proof of their superior userbase - which is, quite frankly, complete and utter nonsense. Online polls are the joke of the century; it doesn't even require a motivated script kiddie to render then worthless. A single post alerting the faithful on a zealot-ridden site can skew the result so much it makes American presidential elections look fair and well organised. Popularity is also difficult to measure when *both* GNOME and KDE are frequently installed on the same system. The systems can co-exist and even run at the same time, except for certain applications such as panels. Many KDE users actually run GNOME applications for their superior features and stability, not realising that by doing so they are barely running KDE at all.
One of the few solid measures of popularity is commercial use of a desktop, and here, GNOME is far ahead with both Hewlett Packard and Sun committing to using GNOME as the desktop for their Unix systems. This also ties in with the previously mentioned ease of use. Sun's major contribution to the GNOME project is in the areas of user/developer documentation, testing, accessiblity and user-testing. Three of the less glamourous parts of desktop development. The arrival of the GNOME 2.x series will see these contributions reach fruitition and allow GNOME to make a quantum leap ahead of KDE in most of the basic computer/user issues.
Oh for a penny every time this lie is told in any KDE story! Konqueror not a bad piece of software. It's authors deserve praise for the work done on it. However, the sheer amount of orgasmic gushing by the KDE faithful is completely out of proportion to its actual quality. It is quite unreliable and even simple standards compliant pages can crash it quite comprehensively. It is also lax in its support of basic web standards compared to either Mozilla or Opera. It is also extremely slow - much slower than the latest incarnations of the GNOME Nautilus filemanager/browser (a target of much KDE FUD during its development).
See also: Qt/TrollTech. This is the most common wail heard by KDE developers, and yet it is easily disproved by looking at the actual applications for GNOME/GTK and KDE/Qt. KDE applications often have larger version numbers than GNOME ones... an old trick played by commerical software developers. Most KDE apps seem to jump for 1.x releases long before they are ready - KOffice being the best example. None of the components in Koffice are worthy of a 1.0 release, let alone 1.1 or 1.2.
GNOME applications get much more testing in their 0.x stages and despite shorter development phases they mature and reach stable featureful release states much more quickly. Some examples of this are: the superb Evolution (groupware/email), Gnumeric (spreadsheet), Pan (newsreader), The GIMP (image manipulation), Abiword (word processing), RedCarpet, X-Chat (IRC client), XMMS (media player), Galeon (web browser), and for developers: Glade and Anjuta. All of these packages ooze quality, and far outclass their KDE counterparts. It is no understatement to say that GNOME is at least 18 months ahead of KDE in applications, and pulling still further ahead.
It's not only in the area of user applications that GNOME is vastly more advanced. With the forthcoming 2.x release, a number of impressive behind the scenes technologies will finally mature: component technology (bonobo), media (Gstreamer), internationalisation (pango). As a developement platform, GNOME 2.x is, conservatively, 2-3 years ahead of KDE. And what is more, because it is not tied to a lowest common denominator cross-platform bloat-fest like the Qt toolkit, the lead (as with applications) can only increase further.
It is also worth noting that GNOME also develops code for use outside the project (see the XML libraries as one example) - the KDE project rarely (if ever) engages in this kind of work. KDE developers ensure that all software must link with Qt, and hence tie it closely with the Qt toolkit preventing re-use and enhancing the value of TrollTech intellectual property.
Yet despite all this, we are still regularly fed the lie that Qt and C++ makes application and desktop development easier. Judge for yourself.
KDE is written in C++. While this is not necessarily a problem, it can be when Visual Basic reject programmers (which the KDE project is overrun with) do not know enough to avoid important pitfalls that plague C++ software projects. Stupid use of autoincrementing operators and iteration with C++ objects; and masses of unnecessary allocations and deallocations of memory are two of the most common. KDE suffers badly from both problems.
Perhaps the most cretinous of all problems is blaming the extremely slow startup times of KDE apps on GCC. The GNOME 1.x releases were hardly svelt (2.x fixes many of these issues), but GNOME is a fashion cat-walk superwaif when compared to KDE's 500lb fat-momma cheese-burger scoffing trailer trash. One need only look at the recent fuss over ugly KDE hacks (such as prelinking) used to bandage up the design and coding flaws in the decrepit KDE architecture to see the truth.
Fundamental misunderstanding. The KDE project releases as one big lump of code due to its use of C++ and the many problems this causes with libraries. The project bumps the version number of the entire KDE system for the smallest modifications. GNOME, on the other hand is componentized and each component releases on a (almost) separate schedule, bumping it's own version number but not the main GNOME version (1.4, for example). Occasional releases of the entire GNOME system happen, and that's when the GNOME version number is bumped (currently it is at 1.4). To see this in action, use RedCarpet and you will regular updates to GNOME components. GNOME development is not slower, it is in fact faster and more advanced. Lamers and newbies, however, fail to understand the advantages of this method and just see KDE 1.1.1 followed a few weeks later by KDE 1.1.2. Wow! KDE roolz.
...and there aren't even any debs for 3.0.0 yet!
Look, at the risk of being labelled a troll, could the Debian packagers PLEASE sort themselves out? I can understand slippage, I can understand that you've got other things to do but this is an absolute joke! if your life's busy, DELEGATE.
I guess the core of the problem is that nobody else has stepped forward to package them... though it can't be that difficult. If this takes much longer though maybe I'll do some (nevermind the fact that it takes me six hours to compile KDE on my puny box =\)
when are they comming?
As a relative newcomer to the linux platform, I (and probably a few others) are not comfortable recompiling large masses of code.
Is a Redhat binary available? I've looked through most of the mirrors as well as ftp.kde.org, and have not seen one.
Is the Suse compile psudo-compatible? Rumor I've heard around here.
(Score: 5; Insightful)
sorry, I forgot to check anonymous coward...
no whoring intended
It uses a ports based system that automatically resolves all dependencies between packages.
I once used a linuxfromscratch, but it took to much time to keep up to date/install.
With gentoo, you barely have to intervene with the install proces: I could do "emerge kde" on a system with nothing installed, and a few hours (ok , almost a day :) later, all the needed libraries, X, ... would be installed
If only I could come up with a good sig
I tried 3.0. I was kinda impressed with the fancy eye candy and stuff. It was, however, too much environment for me. Too 'in-my-face'. Kudos to the kde team, but I think i'll stick with my basic, light-weight window manager (Enlightenment) and its simple, 'click-on-the-desktop' menus.
yeah, that what i hear about Gentoo, lots of good reports from my fellow Linux users, now if i was not such a Slackware junkie...
The Washington Post also writes about the Army's exhibition at E3 expo. Read it here.
Whatever happened to the good old way of announcing open-source software??
I doubt, therefore I may be.
True. I want KDE for my Debian desktops as well. At least when it finally does arrive it will have several months worth of bugfixes and polish. It's a pity that their release freeze came with all of this good stuff just down the road....Gnome 2, Mozilla 1.0, KDE 3.0.x......
Since Sid (unstable) is the gateway to Testing (Woody about to supplant Potato) it can't even be had from there. The real pisser is that once Woody releases and this all good stuff shows up in Sid it will be wise to wait for it to come to testing(next codename?). The very first truly new bits of software to go in are apt (heh heh!) to be flaky. Oh well, in this context its a GOOD thing that official Debian releases are infrequent.
Bueller... Bueller??? Does anyone have solaris binaries yet? Thanks!!
For those of you who are not aware of this site, www.kde-look.org is a great site for all kinds of themes, icons and backgrounds. Check out some of the work there, especially mosfet's liquid theme and the crystal ikons.
S.t.e.v.e.
As a minor contributor to the internalization of KDE I'm very happy with this.
Thank you to all!!
------I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either.------
A true patriot uses GNOME, written in the land of the free and the home of the brave
Actually, GNOME was written in the land of tequila and the home of cantinflas
Life isn't like a box of chocolates. It's more like a jar of jalapenos. What you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Debian is in a freeze right now, trying to get out a new stable release, so don't hold your breath.
Once the new release is out the kde packages should hit unstable pretty quickly... there are already "unofficial" debs available.
I was wondering why more companies dont utilise P2P downloading to distribute their applications - like KDE here
While the servers may have been able to cope with the number of downloads in this case, there have been others where they have not
Why arent the kernel / distros / KDE / Gnome / etc, etc, etc released (even over a custom network) where P2P sharing can be used?
This would also be useful if some of the mirrors were less used than others - might make them last longer
so why dont more companies use p2p?
I've been casually monitoring the Debian-KDE mailing list (May archive). Apparently the KDE packagers for Debian are working off of 3.0.1, so when they do arrive in official unstable they'll be quite up-to-date.
Instructions for how to use experimental unofficial packages can be found here. I haven't tried them myself - I'll wait until they appear in unstable. Check out the mailing list to see others' impressions.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
Isn't this rather minor news to make the front page of Slashdot? Freshmeat says this is primarily a translation release that squashes a few bugs. I don't mind hearing about KDE, in fact I *like* hearing about KDE, but I wish I didn't have to hear about every little point release! I think I've made my .... point. (doh!)
I can understand KDE 3 not going into woody, but what about sid? GCC 3.1 is already in sid, so I'm not sure what the holdup is.
Until GNOME is as fast as KDEE, I'm sticking with KDE. G is just too damn slow.
Seriously, gentoo+kde 3.0.x+my ppro 200+combreloc+preempt+lowlatency+dma+tweaked kdestart=beats the shit out of everything else in speed.
In comparison, GNOME is pretty slow, especially Nautilus and anything that has to do with gecko (galeon gives a speed boost over mozilla, but not by much anymore).
This ole box is as fast as my Athlon 900 running WinXP (which is staying windows right now for game playing).
But you need a really fast network connection. Don't try it with a modem.
There's an install CD, but it puts in only a base system. You still need to download everything else. (Of course, this condition is subject to change without notice.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
A "true patriot" uses whatever is best, and therefore his country has to compete and gets better.
"Buy from our country" just makes "our country" get away with crappy stuff.
The Tlog - a technology blog
"Already released it's "bug fixes" within the first what couple weeks?"
Of course. If you go to http://bugs.kde.org you'll see that there are thousands of open bugs, mostly in kthml.
Due to the time it takes binary pacakgers, there is a wait of several weeks between the code being finished and the announcement being made. So there is much longer than it appears to find the bugs.
This is one that I noticed on the KMail homepage. If you use KMail with IMAP then please please upgrade for your own sake, or else massive dataloss could occur! I'm not sure how the KMail team let this one slip past, but it's a pretty important fix.
I work on a 95% W2K campus, with the remainder being Mac. I've been gently pushing folks here to consider various Unix solutions. I even occasionally joke with my only-slightly-pointy-haired boss about replacing W2K and Office with Linux/OpenOffice whenever MS licensing costs come up.
I love Linux. I've got the only Linux box here since I don't feel like porting a bunch of CGI Perl I wrote to IIS. But I hear people talk all the time about how Linux is ready for the desktop and that KDE is just as easy as Windows.
And then I see the above post, and realize just how detached that view is from reality...
"Seven Deadly Sins? I thought it was a to-do list!"
Here you can see a screenshot of Konqueror and tabs. surely looks neat...it is just odd though, that this feature is supposed to be in the current cvs but I cannot see it...
If you are going to download the rpms and try to do an upgrade/install...dont.
They are broken. Bad.
We've been debating what it is Microsoft fears about open source. It's probably not the money (in the mid term) and I'm not even sure that it's the pressure to open their source (in the short term). Right now, the big different for me as a consumer is that I feel good about buying and upgrading Linux based distros. It actually makes me happy. The last time Microsoft made me feel even vaguely like that was with Windows 3.1
I wonder if what they fear is that they've dug themselves into a position (with software as a service active for business and threatened for consumers) where they can't persuade people to pay them more money voluntarily, and instead they have to go down the slippery slope of coercing and compelling. That can't be a good long term prospect for them.
If you were blocking sigs, you wouldn't have to read this.
I just tried installing on my Mandrake 8.2 box, and it rendered my KDE unuseable, and barfed on my system.
;-)
I had a very recent backup, so I forced the installation (using urpmi *.rpm). Perhaps not the brightest thing to do, as it complained quite a bit, but I forced it anyway.
Anyway, buyer beware. Now I get to sit reading slashdot while I recover my system!!
Hey Hugo, if you're out there, Mondo covered my ass!!
If I had no sense of humor, I would long ago have committed suicide. -Ghandi
gftp. You can download whole directories. Or, within a directory, shift + leftclick will select a continuous swath of files, control + leftclick will select individual files. Once selected, transfer the files and leave it alone (it resumes on disconnect) while you do something else with your cpu.
I usually go to updates.redhat.com. I don't see any binaries there yet.
And finally, if you want you can use the KMozilla bindings to replace KHTML with Gecko - well I say replace, actually unlike Windows KHTML is not required per se for KDE to function, rather an HTML Renderer with the correct KParts interface is.
You can do the same thing with Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Internet Explorer. IE is just an ActiveX component, and any other component that implements the same interface will work in 98% of cases. For instance, Mozilla ActiveX Control implements all IE interfaces (except for document.all and VBScript) in terms of Gecko. Heck, it even comes with a program that patches IE to use Gecko!
Will I retire or break 10K?
You can see Folder icons that reflect contents on the screenshot as well. Another neat feature...
If Debian is in freeze, why do some packages get updated while some are not? Mozilla has been updated several times since KDE3 was released, so has several libraries and apps. So why not KDE?
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Anyone know the status of a Lisp interface to
Qt toolkit and KDE libraries?
I am a KDEr (as in a coder for KDE), But I to will be happy when Gnome 2 comes out. I like the competition and I like the ideas that are generated back and forth. I like having a choice rather than having a 900 lb guerella call the shots. Keep going GNOMErs, but I will happly stay with my konqi.
if 3.0 was so "very stable and complete" why do they already need another release so soon which "squashes some bugs"?
It looks like there are packages for Slackware on ftp.kde.org now... still no .debs or Red Hat RPMs, though.
Will the FreeBSD port of 3.0.1 compile this time?
There is a binary CD now... Packages that most people install right away are pre-built on the CD.
Well, Mozilla is big, but KDE is huge. If you read apt-listchanges you will see this for Mozilla:
* urgency=high. it should be installed into woody
Most of the updates at the moment are fixes, while KDE 3.0 isn't just a bugfix for 2.2. Some things are repaired, while others are broken. It's better to have a good 2.2 than a half-baked 3.0x for the next Debian Stable. And the same goes for Mozilla.
Because, you didn't help the packagers?
Hey, You guys makes me sick. So, the "land of tequila" isnt a good place to develop something ?
Lets grow up. U.S. isnt the only place in the world where the people can develop good software. Real patriots should love their countries, but respect the other countries, and live in peace with them.
Think about it.
Why do "minor security issues with the HTML engine" in a Linux setting generate no hysteria but if it was "minor security issues with the HTML engine of IE" then there would be uproar?
I wonder if anyone could code a Slashdot zealot filter...
Not "for all intensive purposes", but "for all intents and purposes".