I believe the AC fully understood the argument, and you're not understanding what he said.
When you take a plea deal both the prosecutor and the defendant are compromising. The defendant will find themselves found guilty of something which will be on their record. The prosecutor is giving up the chance to have the defendant found guilty of other crimes. In the case you're trying to use as an example, "something" is "possession of marijuana" and "other crimes" is "illegal possession of a firearm".
What you and the person the AC was responding to are suggesting is that it's reasonable to assume the defendant is guilty of whatever it was that was dropped as part of the plea bargain. It isn't. The defendant hasn't been found guilty of those crimes, was never tried for them, and the prosecutor deemed it in the public interest to drop those charges.
The defendant isn't considered guilty of illegal possession of a firearm if they took the plea deal. It doesn't get added to their record. That's the entire point of the plea deal, that it was dropped so that the defendant would agree to plea guilty to the lesser charge.
Now, you might be able to make a case that it isn't in the public interest to handle people who took plea deals like this... but that doesn't change the fact it'd be unconstitutional to treat someone as guilty of a crime they were never convicted of. The bigger issue is that plea deals exist, perhaps they shouldn't.
You grossly underestimate the impact of child support vs the "hijacked body".
What do you "vs"? Do you think the mother is not going to spend two decades on supporting the child?
Basically the only way the parents get out of child support is if they both agree to put the kid up for adoption. That's it. Otherwise both parents end up supporting it in some shape or form until the child is an adult.
Usually, if adoption isn't the route taken both parents will give up the next 20ish years to support the child. On occasion, the parents will decide they can't live with one another, and will usually, but not always, have the child to be directly supported by the mother, and indirectly supported by the father (via what you're misleadingly referring to as "child support" - payments to the family.)
Assuming the pregnancy is taken to term, it's adoption, or both parents spend the next two decades supporting the kid. The "hijacked body" is in addition to two decades of child support, not instead of it.
I still can't put my figure though on why it never went anywhere with anyone I knew, when facebook and twitter lasted...
It didn't have any serious advantages over either, so network affects meant it was never going to get any traction.
It was never going to displace Twitter because Twitter didn't have the real names policy, and Twitter's 140 character limit worked for the type of thing people shared on Twitter.
It was never going to displace Facebook because while it had a few small advantages (I _loved_ the circles thing), people who wanted social networking without pseudonymity already were on Facebook. They weren't going to move.
OK, but so what? This pill isn't there for women. Women have their own pill. They're able (in civilized parts of the world, including civilized parts of the United States) to make their own reproductory decisions (and where they aren't they should be.)
This pill is for men. The problem it's solving is that men aren't, to some extent, able to have their own veto on reproduction, or at least our options aren't as good. Condoms kinda interfere with the moment and have been known to break, vasectomies are permanent, and so on. Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.
Which, if we want the kid, we will do gladly because believe me fatherhood is a wonderful thing.
Unwanted fatherhood? Not so much.
So, yes, we need a pill too. Not for the sake of the would-be mother, but for the sake of the would-be father. This is a legitimate men's rights issue. I'd like to say it's surprising it's taking this long to bring such a pill into being, but the people who claim to be all about men's rights usually, instead, are whining about paying child support and pretending feminism is preventing them from getting jobs. This is what we'd get if we focused on what we need, rather than focusing on preventing others from getting what they need.
The people who are questioning the impact theory, to the best of my knowledge, are not claiming dinosaurs were already extinct by the time the asteroid hit. Rather they're saying it came at a bad time during an already in progress mass extinction, caused by volcanic activity. Gerta Keller, for example, says "I'm sure the day after, they had a headache," but adds "we vastly overestimate the damage to the environment and to life that this Chicxulub impact had".
(Note this is an old quote and she may have updated her views since given relatively recent research into the size and power of the asteroid. I do know though that she and others believe that the formation of the Decca Traps, which changed the atmosphere for hundreds of thousands of years, was the primary culprit.)
Jesus AmiMojo, it's bad enough you come to Slashdot and argue women and black people are people too, but to start a vi vs emacs flamewar? Do you not care about karma at all?!
Maybe you guys can compromise and use the Australian solution: Prenda Law should be required to send refund checks, but they can rename themselves (and the associated bank account from which the checks are issued) to "The Anal Sex and Fetish Perversion Company".
I never said the install rate was 80% (what on Earth makes you think I think that?)
The article is about Google reducing the number of malware installs by 20%. That's not a big number, and that's APK level bragging. It means Google's solution doesn't work.
If Google's solution still leaves 80% of the malware out there, it's not really successful in any practical way. It kinda reminds me of APK posting a testimonial a while back:
"the use of the hosts file has worked for me in many ways. for one it stops ad banners, it helps speed up your computer as well. if you need more proof i am writing to you on a 400 hertz computer and i run with ease. i do not get 200++ viruses and spy ware a month as i use to. now i am lucky if i get 1 or 2 viruses a month. if you want my opinion if you stick to what APK says in his article about securing your computer then you will be safe and should not get any viruses or spy ware, but if you do get hit with viruses and spy ware then it will your own fault. keep up the good fight APK." - Kings Joker, user of my guide @ THE PLANET
Yeah, "Kings Joker" was getting 1 or 2 viruses a month after installing APK's hosts file anti-malware solution.
Yes, I'm comparing Google to APK. If you're going to brag about your app store only having 80% of the malware it did last year, you have that coming...
They were like this in 2004 as well. They're always bitching, even when, as they were for 2017-2018, running all three branches of government.
These are just not nice people, as you can also tell from their attitudes towards family separations. If they're not denying it's happening, or claiming Obama did it too, they're making up excuses and blaming the people fleeing terror.
That's funny, because last time I moved from one county to another, I don't recall having to petition the county commissioners to pass a bylaw to let me move in. When has this ever been a thing?
This is just it, I try to keep up with the bizarre memes and codewords used by the alt-right, but every now and again something like this gets posted, and you're like "I have no idea why the poster thinks this is a big deal." Yet the other replies to the GP suggest he didn't reference the wrong tweet, the alt-right really does think the Tweet is a big deal and an in-your-face to "Totalitarians" (by which I assume they mean "People who are against concentration camps, stealing the children of desperate people, against people being executed because they're the wrong "race", against women being excluded from employment, etc")
Red Pill is a term used by the "Manosphere" ("MRAs", Incels, etc) to describe their version of the world, which is a reference to an old, classic, movie from decades ago called The Matrix whereby the hero takes a "red pill" and suddenly finds out that the world is fake. MRAs believe that there's no sexism against women, and in fact women secretly rule the world, something in conflict with the view most people have of the world.
Basically the GP is saying that Notch is a bit of an MRA/alt-righter these days, which is more or less correct.
Microsoft, being a corporate entity that doesn't want the secret conspiracy of Hispanic Black Jewish Muslim One-legged Lesbians that really runs the world to close them down (or alternatively doesn't want people in general to think they have polarizing political views) is putting some distance between them and Notch with this change. And that's fine, Notch knew that he was losing creative control of Minecraft when he sold it, and knows that Microsoft is unlikely to want to associate with him if he posts "unpopular" political comments all the time.
Mars has an atmosphere. It's not very dense compared to Earth but it's still a tens-of-miles thick layer of gas covering the entire planet. Not an expert, and would be interested in someone who knows what they're talking about to weigh in, but I'd assume it's capable of holding some vapor, it's just it'd rain "earlier" than it would in equivalent conditions on Earth.
X86 servers first took over data centers running WINDOWS NT
You'd be surprised to learn that it wasn't unheard of to have a bunch of X86 servers running SCO Unix/Xenix, or even Coherent at one point. Plus while I wouldn't say they were ever a significant part of any data centers, it wasn't unheard of to have X86 servers running Netware, or one of the OS/2 or DOS based systems that provided NetBIOS services, sharing racks with computers that actually did some work.
There have been servers with x86s in them in data centers since the late 1980s.
If you do multi-threaded things in Java you might actually notice the differences in memory model.
Almost everyone who does things in corporate back-end Java (ie the type that's likely to run at a data center) does do things with multi-threading. The differences don't matter.
If you write in.Net you might notice the things that are not optimized on Arm.
Nobody's going to expect a program they test on their desktop to run at the same speed as it does on a data center server.
And Android DOES have a problem. Game developers often develop on their desktop. And then are surprised when it runs like crap on their Android device because GPUs on Android work VERY differently than the desktop ones.
Game developers have problems with every platform outside of consoles. You think GPUs are standardized in the ix86 world more than they are in the Android world? Guess again!
POWER is a bit special, but actually you can't really use it as counter-example anymore since there is a POWER based workstation.
There are ARM laptops and I can build a low end ARM desktop for $5+the price of some cables, a keyboard, mouse, and USB hub. Regardless, if you think most of the software that runs on POWER servers was developed using POWER workstations, you'll be in for a major shock.
You own a Burger Joint.
Taxes today for a $5 burger is 10%
Customer pays $5.50 for that burger.
Taxes tomorrow for a $5 burger is 15%
Customer now pays $5.75 for that burger.
While I agree with the general point, sorta, these numbers are hopelessly wrong as they assume that the burgers are 100% profit and the business has no costs. Taxes on a $5 burger that costs $4.75 to make (assuming 5% profit, which is not unusual in that industry, and includes all amortized costs) would, at 10%, be 2.5c. The increased cost would be less than 2c if taxes went up to 15%.
In all honesty if you doubled corporate income tax tomorrow, between the fact it's a tax on profits and the external pressures keeping costs down, I doubt you'd see a blip of more than a fraction of a point on inflation for the year.
To give some context, I think they're talking about J2ME. J(2)ME was a "popular" (that is, widely preinstalled) platform on cameraphones in the early 2000s. It's true that it pretty much died once Android got started, but that's because cameraphones died. I don't think Sun/Oracle ever made a serious effort to produce a smartphone OS, and if they had J2ME would probably have needed serious revisions to be taken seriously.
But that'd be an interesting alternate history, something like Android but with a JVM instead of Dalvik and Solaris instead of Busybox/Linux.
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! CAN'T UNTHINK! CAN'T UNTHINK! *gibbers helplessly in corner*
That's not what he means. He means that if ACME Burgers Inc has to pay 20% income tax instead of 10% income tax, and makes 5% (25c) profit on a $5 burger, then ACME will have to charge $5.03 for the burger because it'll treat the income tax rise as a rise in costs.
In reality, the situation is more nuanced. An increase in taxes on corporate entities raises the price floor for the products they sell, but there's still an "ideal price" where profit x sales is maximized, and that's usually higher than the price floor.
ACME has to compete with O'Burgers and BurgerEmperor, and that competition will drive down what it can realistically charge for a burger too. But O'Burgers and BurgerEmperor will also see the same rise in "costs", and so there's a limit to how low they'll go.
So in practice, you're unlikely to see any business having to pay more income tax have a noticeable affect on prices. Even if they do pass on the raise, it'd both have to be a huge increase in income tax, AND they'd have to be already making HUGE profits, which they cannot afford to see less of, for the tax to show up as a noticeable increase in prices.
I worked in a place where we did the bulk of our development on a set of DEC Alpha servers but one of the production servers (a customer whose product was self-hosted) was an HPUX thing.
While I wouldn't say it was great (I had to recompile a local copy of GCC because the HPUX C compiler was K&R, for example), it certainly wasn't hard.
And here's the thing: that was way more complex than most situations where you develop on ix86 and deploy for ARM or vice versa. In the modern world you're usually using the same operating system, and even the same "binaries" - yeah, I know, binaries is the wrong term, but do you think most people who write stuff that run on servers in datacenters are programming in C++?
No. They're programming in Java. Or.NET. Or *shudder* PHP. The job of doing the CPU specific part has already been done.
Torvalds is a C programmer, and he's laser focused on C and machine code. I don't necessarily blame him for not understanding the modern intricacies of modern server software. But if anything Torvalds was saying about how people decide what to deploy in datacenters was true, then IBM would be wasting its time with POWER. Indeed, the logic wouldn't just apply to datacenters, it'd apply to all situations where people develop for one platform and deploy on another. That'd mean Google would have to give up on Android, for example, as Acorn hasn't made an ARM workstation in decades, so how are people going to develop for it?
Torvalds is good at making hardware sing. He is not an expert in everything. He's made some boneheaded *cough* Bitkeeper *cough* mistakes before even in the field he's good at, to expect him to know everything about everything outside of how to write a kernel in C and make it really good is unrealistic.
Can ARM do well in datacenters? No idea. But like everything, it'll boil down to third party support coupled with the merits of the chip itself, not programmers.
There weren't many that showed her "winning" in 2016. What they showed was that she generally had a higher share of the vote, but you had to aggregate and process the polls to determine whether she was actually going to win the EC. FiveThirtyEight, possibly the strongest of the polling analysis organizations, said that, given the margins of errors and previous history of each poll, Clinton had, at best, a 2/3 chance of winning the election.
But the general sense of the polls was that Clinton would get more votes than Trump, with a margin of 3M or more. That's exactly what happened. The polls didn't fail in 2016, the analysts did.
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I believe the AC fully understood the argument, and you're not understanding what he said.
When you take a plea deal both the prosecutor and the defendant are compromising. The defendant will find themselves found guilty of something which will be on their record. The prosecutor is giving up the chance to have the defendant found guilty of other crimes. In the case you're trying to use as an example, "something" is "possession of marijuana" and "other crimes" is "illegal possession of a firearm".
What you and the person the AC was responding to are suggesting is that it's reasonable to assume the defendant is guilty of whatever it was that was dropped as part of the plea bargain. It isn't. The defendant hasn't been found guilty of those crimes, was never tried for them, and the prosecutor deemed it in the public interest to drop those charges.
The defendant isn't considered guilty of illegal possession of a firearm if they took the plea deal. It doesn't get added to their record. That's the entire point of the plea deal, that it was dropped so that the defendant would agree to plea guilty to the lesser charge.
Now, you might be able to make a case that it isn't in the public interest to handle people who took plea deals like this... but that doesn't change the fact it'd be unconstitutional to treat someone as guilty of a crime they were never convicted of. The bigger issue is that plea deals exist, perhaps they shouldn't.
What do you "vs"? Do you think the mother is not going to spend two decades on supporting the child?
Basically the only way the parents get out of child support is if they both agree to put the kid up for adoption. That's it. Otherwise both parents end up supporting it in some shape or form until the child is an adult.
Usually, if adoption isn't the route taken both parents will give up the next 20ish years to support the child. On occasion, the parents will decide they can't live with one another, and will usually, but not always, have the child to be directly supported by the mother, and indirectly supported by the father (via what you're misleadingly referring to as "child support" - payments to the family.)
Assuming the pregnancy is taken to term, it's adoption, or both parents spend the next two decades supporting the kid. The "hijacked body" is in addition to two decades of child support, not instead of it.
It didn't have any serious advantages over either, so network affects meant it was never going to get any traction.
It was never going to displace Twitter because Twitter didn't have the real names policy, and Twitter's 140 character limit worked for the type of thing people shared on Twitter.
It was never going to displace Facebook because while it had a few small advantages (I _loved_ the circles thing), people who wanted social networking without pseudonymity already were on Facebook. They weren't going to move.
OK, but so what? This pill isn't there for women. Women have their own pill. They're able (in civilized parts of the world, including civilized parts of the United States) to make their own reproductory decisions (and where they aren't they should be.)
This pill is for men. The problem it's solving is that men aren't, to some extent, able to have their own veto on reproduction, or at least our options aren't as good. Condoms kinda interfere with the moment and have been known to break, vasectomies are permanent, and so on. Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.
Which, if we want the kid, we will do gladly because believe me fatherhood is a wonderful thing.
Unwanted fatherhood? Not so much.
So, yes, we need a pill too. Not for the sake of the would-be mother, but for the sake of the would-be father. This is a legitimate men's rights issue. I'd like to say it's surprising it's taking this long to bring such a pill into being, but the people who claim to be all about men's rights usually, instead, are whining about paying child support and pretending feminism is preventing them from getting jobs. This is what we'd get if we focused on what we need, rather than focusing on preventing others from getting what they need.
The DOM (and JavaScript in general) originated with Netscape. IE's main innovation was CSS.
The people who are questioning the impact theory, to the best of my knowledge, are not claiming dinosaurs were already extinct by the time the asteroid hit. Rather they're saying it came at a bad time during an already in progress mass extinction, caused by volcanic activity. Gerta Keller, for example, says "I'm sure the day after, they had a headache," but adds "we vastly overestimate the damage to the environment and to life that this Chicxulub impact had".
(Note this is an old quote and she may have updated her views since given relatively recent research into the size and power of the asteroid. I do know though that she and others believe that the formation of the Decca Traps, which changed the atmosphere for hundreds of thousands of years, was the primary culprit.)
Jesus AmiMojo, it's bad enough you come to Slashdot and argue women and black people are people too, but to start a vi vs emacs flamewar? Do you not care about karma at all?!
(I agree though, Emacs is the best)
Maybe you guys can compromise and use the Australian solution: Prenda Law should be required to send refund checks, but they can rename themselves (and the associated bank account from which the checks are issued) to "The Anal Sex and Fetish Perversion Company".
I never said the install rate was 80% (what on Earth makes you think I think that?)
The article is about Google reducing the number of malware installs by 20%. That's not a big number, and that's APK level bragging. It means Google's solution doesn't work.
Would that imply then that the atmosphere was higher pressure back when TFA's rivers did run?
If Google's solution still leaves 80% of the malware out there, it's not really successful in any practical way. It kinda reminds me of APK posting a testimonial a while back:
(Source, my bolding)
Yeah, "Kings Joker" was getting 1 or 2 viruses a month after installing APK's hosts file anti-malware solution.
Yes, I'm comparing Google to APK. If you're going to brag about your app store only having 80% of the malware it did last year, you have that coming...
They were like this in 2004 as well. They're always bitching, even when, as they were for 2017-2018, running all three branches of government.
These are just not nice people, as you can also tell from their attitudes towards family separations. If they're not denying it's happening, or claiming Obama did it too, they're making up excuses and blaming the people fleeing terror.
And I'm the one being modded troll?
What the hell is wrong with you?
That's funny, because last time I moved from one county to another, I don't recall having to petition the county commissioners to pass a bylaw to let me move in. When has this ever been a thing?
This is just it, I try to keep up with the bizarre memes and codewords used by the alt-right, but every now and again something like this gets posted, and you're like "I have no idea why the poster thinks this is a big deal." Yet the other replies to the GP suggest he didn't reference the wrong tweet, the alt-right really does think the Tweet is a big deal and an in-your-face to "Totalitarians" (by which I assume they mean "People who are against concentration camps, stealing the children of desperate people, against people being executed because they're the wrong "race", against women being excluded from employment, etc")
Red Pill is a term used by the "Manosphere" ("MRAs", Incels, etc) to describe their version of the world, which is a reference to an old, classic, movie from decades ago called The Matrix whereby the hero takes a "red pill" and suddenly finds out that the world is fake. MRAs believe that there's no sexism against women, and in fact women secretly rule the world, something in conflict with the view most people have of the world.
Basically the GP is saying that Notch is a bit of an MRA/alt-righter these days, which is more or less correct.
Microsoft, being a corporate entity that doesn't want the secret conspiracy of Hispanic Black Jewish Muslim One-legged Lesbians that really runs the world to close them down (or alternatively doesn't want people in general to think they have polarizing political views) is putting some distance between them and Notch with this change. And that's fine, Notch knew that he was losing creative control of Minecraft when he sold it, and knows that Microsoft is unlikely to want to associate with him if he posts "unpopular" political comments all the time.
Mars has an atmosphere. It's not very dense compared to Earth but it's still a tens-of-miles thick layer of gas covering the entire planet. Not an expert, and would be interested in someone who knows what they're talking about to weigh in, but I'd assume it's capable of holding some vapor, it's just it'd rain "earlier" than it would in equivalent conditions on Earth.
You'd be surprised to learn that it wasn't unheard of to have a bunch of X86 servers running SCO Unix/Xenix, or even Coherent at one point. Plus while I wouldn't say they were ever a significant part of any data centers, it wasn't unheard of to have X86 servers running Netware, or one of the OS/2 or DOS based systems that provided NetBIOS services, sharing racks with computers that actually did some work.
There have been servers with x86s in them in data centers since the late 1980s.
Almost everyone who does things in corporate back-end Java (ie the type that's likely to run at a data center) does do things with multi-threading. The differences don't matter.
Nobody's going to expect a program they test on their desktop to run at the same speed as it does on a data center server.
Game developers have problems with every platform outside of consoles. You think GPUs are standardized in the ix86 world more than they are in the Android world? Guess again!
There are ARM laptops and I can build a low end ARM desktop for $5+the price of some cables, a keyboard, mouse, and USB hub. Regardless, if you think most of the software that runs on POWER servers was developed using POWER workstations, you'll be in for a major shock.
While I agree with the general point, sorta, these numbers are hopelessly wrong as they assume that the burgers are 100% profit and the business has no costs. Taxes on a $5 burger that costs $4.75 to make (assuming 5% profit, which is not unusual in that industry, and includes all amortized costs) would, at 10%, be 2.5c. The increased cost would be less than 2c if taxes went up to 15%.
In all honesty if you doubled corporate income tax tomorrow, between the fact it's a tax on profits and the external pressures keeping costs down, I doubt you'd see a blip of more than a fraction of a point on inflation for the year.
To give some context, I think they're talking about J2ME. J(2)ME was a "popular" (that is, widely preinstalled) platform on cameraphones in the early 2000s. It's true that it pretty much died once Android got started, but that's because cameraphones died. I don't think Sun/Oracle ever made a serious effort to produce a smartphone OS, and if they had J2ME would probably have needed serious revisions to be taken seriously.
But that'd be an interesting alternate history, something like Android but with a JVM instead of Dalvik and Solaris instead of Busybox/Linux.
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! CAN'T UNTHINK! CAN'T UNTHINK! *gibbers helplessly in corner*
That's not what he means. He means that if ACME Burgers Inc has to pay 20% income tax instead of 10% income tax, and makes 5% (25c) profit on a $5 burger, then ACME will have to charge $5.03 for the burger because it'll treat the income tax rise as a rise in costs.
In reality, the situation is more nuanced. An increase in taxes on corporate entities raises the price floor for the products they sell, but there's still an "ideal price" where profit x sales is maximized, and that's usually higher than the price floor.
ACME has to compete with O'Burgers and BurgerEmperor, and that competition will drive down what it can realistically charge for a burger too. But O'Burgers and BurgerEmperor will also see the same rise in "costs", and so there's a limit to how low they'll go.
So in practice, you're unlikely to see any business having to pay more income tax have a noticeable affect on prices. Even if they do pass on the raise, it'd both have to be a huge increase in income tax, AND they'd have to be already making HUGE profits, which they cannot afford to see less of, for the tax to show up as a noticeable increase in prices.
Yeah, he's probably looked all over the manpage for 'php' and cannot find the damned cross compilation flag ;-)
I worked in a place where we did the bulk of our development on a set of DEC Alpha servers but one of the production servers (a customer whose product was self-hosted) was an HPUX thing.
While I wouldn't say it was great (I had to recompile a local copy of GCC because the HPUX C compiler was K&R, for example), it certainly wasn't hard.
And here's the thing: that was way more complex than most situations where you develop on ix86 and deploy for ARM or vice versa. In the modern world you're usually using the same operating system, and even the same "binaries" - yeah, I know, binaries is the wrong term, but do you think most people who write stuff that run on servers in datacenters are programming in C++?
No. They're programming in Java. Or .NET. Or *shudder* PHP. The job of doing the CPU specific part has already been done.
Torvalds is a C programmer, and he's laser focused on C and machine code. I don't necessarily blame him for not understanding the modern intricacies of modern server software. But if anything Torvalds was saying about how people decide what to deploy in datacenters was true, then IBM would be wasting its time with POWER. Indeed, the logic wouldn't just apply to datacenters, it'd apply to all situations where people develop for one platform and deploy on another. That'd mean Google would have to give up on Android, for example, as Acorn hasn't made an ARM workstation in decades, so how are people going to develop for it?
Torvalds is good at making hardware sing. He is not an expert in everything. He's made some boneheaded *cough* Bitkeeper *cough* mistakes before even in the field he's good at, to expect him to know everything about everything outside of how to write a kernel in C and make it really good is unrealistic.
Can ARM do well in datacenters? No idea. But like everything, it'll boil down to third party support coupled with the merits of the chip itself, not programmers.
There weren't many that showed her "winning" in 2016. What they showed was that she generally had a higher share of the vote, but you had to aggregate and process the polls to determine whether she was actually going to win the EC. FiveThirtyEight, possibly the strongest of the polling analysis organizations, said that, given the margins of errors and previous history of each poll, Clinton had, at best, a 2/3 chance of winning the election.
But the general sense of the polls was that Clinton would get more votes than Trump, with a margin of 3M or more. That's exactly what happened. The polls didn't fail in 2016, the analysts did.