There are people getting charged with voter fraud all the time.
The system is open to abuse. Many government agencies have been cautioning for years that it has to be tightened up. People are getting caught committing voter fraud. People are admitting to committing voter fraud.
Non-citizens in the US for example tend to get caught when they apply for US citizenship. See, your citizenship isn't checked when you register to vote. It isn't checked when you walk into that polling station and actually vote.
But it "IS" checked when you apply for citizenship and it shows up that you voted even though you weren't a citizen.
That's a matter of public record.
So how are you going to try and weasel your way out of it?
Furthermore, just out of curiosity... are you even an American? I only ask because it seems every time I get into this argument with someone on the internet they're always from Europe or elsewhere. Aka... places that don't know what they're talking about. Just curious if there were some mild excuse for your obnoxiousness.
Because revealing your obvious sophistry shouldn't be too hard...
Do tell, define the sort of evidence you would accept.
If you refuse to cite a type or cite something silly like "aliens arrive from mars and tell me"... then you'll have confessed to request information in bad faith.
If you accept and cite a reasonable standard of evidence, then I'll provide it and that will be checkmate.
I said YOU... "you"... Personally... could come up with ANY system... any system what so ever... design it however you like to set up a voter ID system so that only people authorized to vote can vote.
And you said that was impossible.
Never mind that nearly everyone has driver's licenses. Guess those are racist too, Chump?
You missed the bit where "you" criticize "my" post history whilst hiding yours.
You're a hypocrite at best... and we know that you're far worse. That's been empirically established at this point.
Now here you are, pathetically following me from thread to thread... shamefully hiding YOUR post history... whilst attacking people making sensible comments to this board.
Guy who hides his posts attacks someone else's post history... where the AC in question got donkey stomped... and is clearly so butt hurt about it still that he is trolling the person that crushed the AC's position.
You can't win by whining at me like a sick dog. You have no moral superiority, no intellectual superiority... Every time you act like a degenerate, I feel more vindicated in my position. You're boosting my ego. Do you realize that? You're failing so hard at trolling, you're more my cheerleader.
No, I'm talking about both and more. As to IP transfers, that is a well established and much complained about feature. Many companies have complained about it from not just the US but also from Europe. As to training, that is a requirement for outsourcing. How do you outsource if you don't train your outsourced firm? Your statement is at best irrational.
To this you conclude "none"... I'm not going to argue with someone that points at the Sun in the sky and claims it isn't there.
... Why as a Chinese or Indian person should I use American companies that provide no benefit over domestic institutions?
They've compromised principles of freedom of speech... kowtowed to the censorship of Tienanmen Square etc... why would I bother with the American version when the domestic version is the same thing?
They hollowed out a lot of the American infrastructure, outsourced like crazy, adopted a lowest common denominator policy regarding how they conduct freedom of speech...
And what did they get for it?
As soon as they're done hollowing out the IP advantage they're going to cut these companies out of the loop and laugh.
Frankly, it can't happen soon enough. The nauseating arrogance out of Google etc can't end soon enough.
What is easier for companies... helping prepare the next generation of American workers by ensuring they get a good education in... whatever... or hiring H2B visa workers that have whatever skill they want at a lower rate than the US rate?
They'll never care so long as you let them do that.
It is also a matter of not following the rules literally.
The driver's license hand book is not exactly how people actually drive. It is a matter of no small irritation that this is not admissible in court as a defense.
The driving laws are inaccurate. Take a busy intersection with a left hand turn. When do you go, when do you stop, when do you yield?
The answer has much more to do with how busy it is, how long cars have been violating the red light, etc then it does what the book says. In the light cycle the point where left hand turns are permitted is roughly the smallest segment of its rotation. That is, the light is typically red or green... and in either of those positions the period of time where left hand turns are permitted is a minor fraction of either. However, right hand turns can be made whether it is a green or red light so long as there is no collusion risk. Thus meaning that whilst left hand turns can only operate at a fraction of the green light... the right hand turn operates at the majority of the green AND red light. This modifies what is reasonable when a congested left hand turn is happening.
What you find in busy city intersections with congested left hand turns is that they tend to operate well into the red light... with car after car piggybacking on the last to make it impossible for typical green traffic to shut down the left turn. This tends to last for about 5 to 7 seconds after the light has technically forbidden the behavior. But it is how it works every day every time the road gets congested. No reasonable person gets upset by this because they have empathy for the poor bastards stuck making this stupid left turn. We've all been there.
The AI cars from what I understand follow the traffic laws literally... which makes them bad drivers because the traffic laws are often literally wrong... are systematically ignored by practically everyone... and IF you want AI drivers to not suck... they have to modify their behavior to drive how people ACTUALLY drive... not how the book says they should.
... even if you technically are not to blame. Stopping suddenly for example and causing people to pile into you... technically is typically the fault of the person that rear ended you. But "you" did cause it. If you had not driven in a way that was surprising and unpredictable to other drivers then it wouldn't have happened.
Now the law will say that you should maintain enough distance that even if people do that there shouldn't be an accident.
But if the streets are crowded... high traffic... high congestion... that is often not viable.
Now what they'll then say is "go slower"... the problem is that if everyone does that the traffic becomes even worse.
What people learn in busy cities is that there is a "way" to operate on the road that has more to do with Chinese bicycles than it does with California road laws. The idea is that everyone follows a code of conduct on the road... "vibe"... a pattern... and if everyone does it... then we have TRUST... and that trust means that we can drive faster and with less space between cars than the law would like. But it is generally very safe so long as people are aware of and hold the pattern.
When a given individual on the road doesn't follow the pattern... this system becomes unsafe. I notice this all the time on the streets of the busy city in which I live.
You just get a sense that things are "off" on the road... people are not moving predictably. Maybe it is me... maybe it is them... doesn't matter. I get off the road immediately. I literally park and go for a walk or something. And often I find that there are shattered car parts all over the street when I get back. Why? Because the accident I could sense coming... because people weren't following the pattern caused an accident.
So... was the AI responsible for the accident? Yes. Legally? Perhaps not. But legality has very little to do with how actually driving on an actual street works. Driving computers have been dealing with this for awhile.
It is a very annoying situation when the police give people tickets for this... according to DMV rules... the way people drive on the streets is generally illegal. It is however how we've basically always driven and continue to drive. If you wanted to... you could probably haul half the drivers in for violating the law.
You'd have a riot on your hands and the politicians would probably be forced to actually have the law reflect how we actually drive. But they could do it... for a minute.
Long and short... Cali driving laws are more of a rough guideline and less of the letter of conduct.
People don't have wireless keyboards in their living rooms because they're not used to it. They're used to the old school tv remotes.
But the old school tv remotes stop making sense once your tv turns into a monitor which is what many of our tvs already are at this point.
I have an Nvidia shield plugged into my tv which runs a version of android... and honestly... I hate the google voice recognition even alone. It works about 90 percent of the time. Which is often... I don't like it even when it does work. For one thing it doesn't work in all programs requiring me to use a keyboard anyway... and for another... it sometimes is very stubborn about not working.
I hate it... even in my own home... even alone... even on a tv specialized android device... I hate it.
I have a wireless keyboard. It works 100% of the time with everything... except some annoying google apps that INSIST on using the voice recognition... the version of youtube I have does that I think... anyway... hate it.
I think some people got it into their heads from star trek that voice recognition was a good idea. It isn't. It is shit. I don't like my machines even listening. It is fucking creepy especially since the voice recognition is often offloaded to Google's servers which means voice logs exist on their servers. Why would I want that? Its not like I'm james bond or something... I don't fear anyone revealing my secrets especially... but its fucking creepy regardless.
I've made a point increasingly of setting firewall rules to block these programs. And that then makes lots of stupid shit that they set up not work properly.
And then that forces me to just not use their services. Which... I'm increasingly cool with... I hate these virtual assistants. Cortana is an embarrassing shit show. Ok Google assistant is creepy as fuck... and Siri on the iOS is actually the most reasonable. That thing mostly does what it is supposed to do and otherwise stays the hell out of everything.
Cannot... wait until this fad goes the way of google glass etc.
You're in the same position as people trying to stop marijuana in the 1950s.
You think you can stop it.
See you when we're both old and gray... and you finally understand what I was talking about.
I'm not saying you can't pass laws. Look at all the laws and funding the DEA got? And they're get absolutely humiliated by a rabble of drug pushers the world over.
You can't stop it. I'm not telling you that you can't pass a law. I'm not telling you it is good or bad. I'm telling you that you're spitting into the wind.
To this you say "but what if I spit really hard"... then it will fly farther into the wind, then spiral back and slap into your face slightly harder.
Everyone knows. The cultists can vomit the party line until they dry heave talking points.
The issue is not whether this is happening. It has.
The issue is instead what to do about it now that it has happened and the assholes aren't being honest about it.
Solutions include setting up alternative social networks, decentralizing power out of these compromised corporations, and as usual poking fun at the obvious liars if only to enjoy them squealing.
That's it. That there is bias is not credibly deniable. The issue is instead how to address the problem now that it is established.
First, the wifi is generally provided by the motherboard or an addon comm board... not the processor... and I don't want the processor to have that feature even if it could.
Second, who the flying fuck cares about these assistants especially when you have a keyboard etc?
The assistants are superfluous bullshit. I can appreciate them in the car when interacting with your phone. There is some sense to a voice interface in that singular context. But outside of that? Complete garbage. And to suggest you're building in any way the CPU around these shit applications?
We really need solid alternatives to Intel. The desktop CPU market has been an Intel monopoly for too long.
... The technology is inherently uncontrollable. They can't stop pictures of naked children getting raped and you think you're going to stop gun blueprints? You can't stop pirated video games or bomb recipes...
This cannot be stopped.
All the judges and lawyers are doing is demonstrating their impotence.
I a liberal. A classical liberal. The OG Liberal. A real liberal.
My "insult" only applies to peopel that are against freedom of speech, freedom of association, and due process.
If YOU or someone else is against any of those things then they're not a real liberal and that is who my insult is directed at.
If YOU or someone else is NOT against those things then my insult does not apply to them.
My insult was very clearly targeted.
As to "types of freedom"... Freedom to enslave someone is not something recognized as a freedom by classical liberal notions of what liberty meant. It generally operates as negative rights... freedom FROM... it generally compels no one to do anything but instead forbids people to do things... such as commit acts of violence.
This is all well known stuff. I'm a little confused as to why you're forcing me to explain the distinction between positive and negative rights.
A positive right is the right to a ham sandwich... a right to have something... generally liberalism doesn't grant positive rights.
A negative right is the right to NOT be punched in the face... a right to NOT have something done to you... this is pretty much the entirety of liberal rights, ethics, and morality. The right to be left alone.
If you are getting up in someone else's business... you're probably not able to justify that on the basis of classical liberal values.
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liar liar.
To prove you're a liar again on top of the lie just there...
Let us say we didn't do an ID at all but merely cross referenced the citizenship database with the voter registration database?
because we don't do that.
can we do that?
It would not require US citizens to do anything. The two databases would just be be compared.
I suspect that is also voter suppression, right... Liar?
https://www.supremecourt.gov/o...
Supreme court cites a pew study you would look at in that PDF if you have integrity... you don't so... meh.
https://www.denverpost.com/201...
Evidence of double voting.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-w...
Department of justice catching non-citizens voting some how even though you say that's impossible... because you're a lying retard.
https://www.ice.gov/news/relea...
Ice nabbing non-citizens voting.
I'm sorry, your tired stupid talking points fool only the fools. Peddle your sad lies elsewhere.
And just because you're honestly boring...
https://www.texasattorneygener...
There are people getting charged with voter fraud all the time.
The system is open to abuse. Many government agencies have been cautioning for years that it has to be tightened up. People are getting caught committing voter fraud. People are admitting to committing voter fraud.
Non-citizens in the US for example tend to get caught when they apply for US citizenship. See, your citizenship isn't checked when you register to vote. It isn't checked when you walk into that polling station and actually vote.
But it "IS" checked when you apply for citizenship and it shows up that you voted even though you weren't a citizen.
That's a matter of public record.
So how are you going to try and weasel your way out of it?
Furthermore, just out of curiosity... are you even an American? I only ask because it seems every time I get into this argument with someone on the internet they're always from Europe or elsewhere. Aka... places that don't know what they're talking about. Just curious if there were some mild excuse for your obnoxiousness.
Because revealing your obvious sophistry shouldn't be too hard...
Do tell, define the sort of evidence you would accept.
If you refuse to cite a type or cite something silly like "aliens arrive from mars and tell me"... then you'll have confessed to request information in bad faith.
If you accept and cite a reasonable standard of evidence, then I'll provide it and that will be checkmate.
Do it, Chump.
Nope.
I said YOU... "you"... Personally... could come up with ANY system... any system what so ever... design it however you like to set up a voter ID system so that only people authorized to vote can vote.
And you said that was impossible.
Never mind that nearly everyone has driver's licenses. Guess those are racist too, Chump?
Passports... racist... Fishing licenses... racist...
You're an idiot.
You say "I" live in a strange reality.
You missed the bit where "you" criticize "my" post history whilst hiding yours.
You're a hypocrite at best... and we know that you're far worse. That's been empirically established at this point.
Now here you are, pathetically following me from thread to thread... shamefully hiding YOUR post history... whilst attacking people making sensible comments to this board.
You haven't a leg to stand on, Chump.
You never did.
Guy who hides his posts attacks someone else's post history... where the AC in question got donkey stomped... and is clearly so butt hurt about it still that he is trolling the person that crushed the AC's position.
https://youtu.be/8X48RiKQmFQ?t...
You can't win by whining at me like a sick dog. You have no moral superiority, no intellectual superiority... Every time you act like a degenerate, I feel more vindicated in my position. You're boosting my ego. Do you realize that? You're failing so hard at trolling, you're more my cheerleader.
Keep it up, chump.
The encryption is bothering them because they get a box they can't open... what if they don't even have a box?
No, I'm talking about both and more. As to IP transfers, that is a well established and much complained about feature. Many companies have complained about it from not just the US but also from Europe. As to training, that is a requirement for outsourcing. How do you outsource if you don't train your outsourced firm? Your statement is at best irrational.
To this you conclude "none"... I'm not going to argue with someone that points at the Sun in the sky and claims it isn't there.
Good day, sir.
http://heeereswilly.ytmnd.com/
Doesn't matter. Because even if you are better, they're going to start censoring your platform to promote theirs.
What has cooperation gotten you?
You had to give up IP.
You had to train you competition.
You had to compromise your product.
You had to compromise your principles.
And in return, they'll take everything they took from you, build your replacement, and ban your product from market.
It was folly.
As to laughable... if both treat the same person the same... then they're the same.
If google lets teh chinese government spy on their people through the google service then why use google?
... Why as a Chinese or Indian person should I use American companies that provide no benefit over domestic institutions?
They've compromised principles of freedom of speech... kowtowed to the censorship of Tienanmen Square etc... why would I bother with the American version when the domestic version is the same thing?
They hollowed out a lot of the American infrastructure, outsourced like crazy, adopted a lowest common denominator policy regarding how they conduct freedom of speech...
And what did they get for it?
As soon as they're done hollowing out the IP advantage they're going to cut these companies out of the loop and laugh.
Frankly, it can't happen soon enough. The nauseating arrogance out of Google etc can't end soon enough.
What is easier for companies... helping prepare the next generation of American workers by ensuring they get a good education in... whatever... or hiring H2B visa workers that have whatever skill they want at a lower rate than the US rate?
They'll never care so long as you let them do that.
I suspect the law will eventually be forced to change as things go to full AI... if only because the law never really made sense.
It is also a matter of not following the rules literally.
The driver's license hand book is not exactly how people actually drive. It is a matter of no small irritation that this is not admissible in court as a defense.
The driving laws are inaccurate. Take a busy intersection with a left hand turn. When do you go, when do you stop, when do you yield?
The answer has much more to do with how busy it is, how long cars have been violating the red light, etc then it does what the book says. In the light cycle the point where left hand turns are permitted is roughly the smallest segment of its rotation. That is, the light is typically red or green... and in either of those positions the period of time where left hand turns are permitted is a minor fraction of either. However, right hand turns can be made whether it is a green or red light so long as there is no collusion risk. Thus meaning that whilst left hand turns can only operate at a fraction of the green light... the right hand turn operates at the majority of the green AND red light. This modifies what is reasonable when a congested left hand turn is happening.
What you find in busy city intersections with congested left hand turns is that they tend to operate well into the red light... with car after car piggybacking on the last to make it impossible for typical green traffic to shut down the left turn. This tends to last for about 5 to 7 seconds after the light has technically forbidden the behavior. But it is how it works every day every time the road gets congested. No reasonable person gets upset by this because they have empathy for the poor bastards stuck making this stupid left turn. We've all been there.
The AI cars from what I understand follow the traffic laws literally... which makes them bad drivers because the traffic laws are often literally wrong... are systematically ignored by practically everyone... and IF you want AI drivers to not suck... they have to modify their behavior to drive how people ACTUALLY drive... not how the book says they should.
What I was talking about was not tailgating.
What I was talking about is the reality of driving in any major city. Anyone with any experience in this knows what I'm talking about.
By your comments, I must assume you don't know how to drive.
... even if you technically are not to blame. Stopping suddenly for example and causing people to pile into you... technically is typically the fault of the person that rear ended you. But "you" did cause it. If you had not driven in a way that was surprising and unpredictable to other drivers then it wouldn't have happened.
Now the law will say that you should maintain enough distance that even if people do that there shouldn't be an accident.
But if the streets are crowded... high traffic... high congestion... that is often not viable.
Now what they'll then say is "go slower"... the problem is that if everyone does that the traffic becomes even worse.
What people learn in busy cities is that there is a "way" to operate on the road that has more to do with Chinese bicycles than it does with California road laws. The idea is that everyone follows a code of conduct on the road... "vibe"... a pattern... and if everyone does it... then we have TRUST... and that trust means that we can drive faster and with less space between cars than the law would like. But it is generally very safe so long as people are aware of and hold the pattern.
When a given individual on the road doesn't follow the pattern... this system becomes unsafe. I notice this all the time on the streets of the busy city in which I live.
You just get a sense that things are "off" on the road... people are not moving predictably. Maybe it is me... maybe it is them... doesn't matter. I get off the road immediately. I literally park and go for a walk or something. And often I find that there are shattered car parts all over the street when I get back. Why? Because the accident I could sense coming... because people weren't following the pattern caused an accident.
So... was the AI responsible for the accident? Yes. Legally? Perhaps not. But legality has very little to do with how actually driving on an actual street works. Driving computers have been dealing with this for awhile.
It is a very annoying situation when the police give people tickets for this... according to DMV rules... the way people drive on the streets is generally illegal. It is however how we've basically always driven and continue to drive. If you wanted to... you could probably haul half the drivers in for violating the law.
You'd have a riot on your hands and the politicians would probably be forced to actually have the law reflect how we actually drive. But they could do it... for a minute.
Long and short... Cali driving laws are more of a rough guideline and less of the letter of conduct.
One of the better arguments in my favor is that you're upset with me.
I clearly annoy the right people. ;-)
People don't have wireless keyboards in their living rooms because they're not used to it. They're used to the old school tv remotes.
But the old school tv remotes stop making sense once your tv turns into a monitor which is what many of our tvs already are at this point.
I have an Nvidia shield plugged into my tv which runs a version of android... and honestly... I hate the google voice recognition even alone. It works about 90 percent of the time. Which is often... I don't like it even when it does work. For one thing it doesn't work in all programs requiring me to use a keyboard anyway... and for another... it sometimes is very stubborn about not working.
I hate it... even in my own home... even alone... even on a tv specialized android device... I hate it.
I have a wireless keyboard. It works 100% of the time with everything... except some annoying google apps that INSIST on using the voice recognition... the version of youtube I have does that I think... anyway... hate it.
I think some people got it into their heads from star trek that voice recognition was a good idea. It isn't. It is shit. I don't like my machines even listening. It is fucking creepy especially since the voice recognition is often offloaded to Google's servers which means voice logs exist on their servers. Why would I want that? Its not like I'm james bond or something... I don't fear anyone revealing my secrets especially... but its fucking creepy regardless.
I've made a point increasingly of setting firewall rules to block these programs. And that then makes lots of stupid shit that they set up not work properly.
And then that forces me to just not use their services. Which... I'm increasingly cool with... I hate these virtual assistants. Cortana is an embarrassing shit show. Ok Google assistant is creepy as fuck... and Siri on the iOS is actually the most reasonable. That thing mostly does what it is supposed to do and otherwise stays the hell out of everything.
Cannot... wait until this fad goes the way of google glass etc.
Time will tell, traveler.
You're in the same position as people trying to stop marijuana in the 1950s.
You think you can stop it.
See you when we're both old and gray... and you finally understand what I was talking about.
I'm not saying you can't pass laws. Look at all the laws and funding the DEA got? And they're get absolutely humiliated by a rabble of drug pushers the world over.
You can't stop it. I'm not telling you that you can't pass a law. I'm not telling you it is good or bad. I'm telling you that you're spitting into the wind.
To this you say "but what if I spit really hard"... then it will fly farther into the wind, then spiral back and slap into your face slightly harder.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/0...
Everyone knows. The cultists can vomit the party line until they dry heave talking points.
The issue is not whether this is happening. It has.
The issue is instead what to do about it now that it has happened and the assholes aren't being honest about it.
Solutions include setting up alternative social networks, decentralizing power out of these compromised corporations, and as usual poking fun at the obvious liars if only to enjoy them squealing.
That's it. That there is bias is not credibly deniable. The issue is instead how to address the problem now that it is established.
I get you... I just think it should be killed with fire. :)
This has nothing to do with CPUs.
First, the wifi is generally provided by the motherboard or an addon comm board... not the processor... and I don't want the processor to have that feature even if it could.
Second, who the flying fuck cares about these assistants especially when you have a keyboard etc?
The assistants are superfluous bullshit. I can appreciate them in the car when interacting with your phone. There is some sense to a voice interface in that singular context. But outside of that? Complete garbage. And to suggest you're building in any way the CPU around these shit applications?
We really need solid alternatives to Intel. The desktop CPU market has been an Intel monopoly for too long.
You can't stop computer files on the internet. And the CNC and 3d printers are going ot be everywhere... cheaper every year and better every year.
It is game over for the old gun control regime.
It isn't going to just break down in the US... it is going to break down in France... England... Japan... China... everywhere.
... The technology is inherently uncontrollable. They can't stop pictures of naked children getting raped and you think you're going to stop gun blueprints? You can't stop pirated video games or bomb recipes...
This cannot be stopped.
All the judges and lawyers are doing is demonstrating their impotence.
It cannot be stopped.
I a liberal. A classical liberal. The OG Liberal. A real liberal.
My "insult" only applies to peopel that are against freedom of speech, freedom of association, and due process.
If YOU or someone else is against any of those things then they're not a real liberal and that is who my insult is directed at.
If YOU or someone else is NOT against those things then my insult does not apply to them.
My insult was very clearly targeted.
As to "types of freedom"... Freedom to enslave someone is not something recognized as a freedom by classical liberal notions of what liberty meant. It generally operates as negative rights... freedom FROM... it generally compels no one to do anything but instead forbids people to do things... such as commit acts of violence.
This is all well known stuff. I'm a little confused as to why you're forcing me to explain the distinction between positive and negative rights.
A positive right is the right to a ham sandwich... a right to have something... generally liberalism doesn't grant positive rights.
A negative right is the right to NOT be punched in the face... a right to NOT have something done to you... this is pretty much the entirety of liberal rights, ethics, and morality. The right to be left alone.
If you are getting up in someone else's business... you're probably not able to justify that on the basis of classical liberal values.