And how do you sign up? Until I see money trickling into my pockets or the pockets of the many musicians who I've met throughout the years, I call bullshit. Unless you mean celine dion and nickleback. [But then I wouldn't really call them musicians.] This is a scam.
humour does not a troll constitute. mabye -1 Unfunny, or -1 overrated(joke has been used too much) but 1 troll? mods put down the crack pipe, or start sharing.
and don't assume a 8 hour day. assume 12 or 16 hour day, pray that it wasn't closer to a 24 hour day. And he had the easy job!
I worked at PACSTC some years before he did (iirc I as staff one year he was there as a cadet >:D )...65$ is a little bit more than I got(not adjusted for inflation)...and accumulated over a summer that's a lot compared to the average job round these parts.
"People who cannot tell the difference between decent and "non-decent" (indecent?) music are the ones happily listening to what's currently in style." agreed(ugh) but I'm pretty sure they could be turned over to more independant free-r music if there was an easy way to 'consume' music for cheap, and find out all bands all your friends like(*shudder* msn blogging).
I was going to reply to other parts of your post
but I'm going to instead chose this:
"
People who have created those works were able to because THAT IS THEIR LIFE. We have to work, and most people are fucking incredibly untalented.
"
"We", and by that i mean you, may have to work, but musicians have lives too. Many of them put up with bullshit (sometimes minnimum wage) jobs hoping their music will catch, or if not hoping just confiding to their art how shitty their lives are.
I find that people who cannot tell the difference between say, descent music and nondescent music tend to be poor musicians, and they would be just as happy listening to noname bands and artists than they would listening to whatever's currently in style. On the other hand, people who Can tell the difference have at least the potential to be that good...and if you are not content with your current music that you've come up with in your quest to not listen to the mass media, then that's a GOOD SIGN and that mabye, somewhere else, if you can satisfy yourself, you may even be able to make a living from the music. By this I also think I've proven that you have no musical talent, and only happen to listen to pink floyd from pure luck.
There's a lot of music waiting to be written, pink floyd does not have a monopoly of great music, and if you're lucky, and talented, you just might be able to pull it off. And if not, there's a shortage of backup bass guitar players right now(at least here), and other strange things here and there in the music industry (people willing to help with tours, distrobution, you name it). That being said I've been kind of removed from music as a whole for awhile, mabye things have changed. but boy oh boy could I ever use a tour crew that would work for free(as in beer!) and a cheaper place to practice...Oh yea. there you go. don't want to listen to mass media artists? Open your living room for random musicians and serve them beer. OK not for everyone and I think I've lost track of where I'm going with this. But yes, after a few beers and a mosh pit nearby even mediocre punk can be pink floyd worthy. Yes back to studying
"So it is truly discouraging. Bush got re-elected so that at the end of the next four years can see how horribly wrong they were and that the Iraq war was a bad idea. Expensive lesson."
in 4 years
'america has won the war on iraq! vote guiliani for president, because guiliani stopped two of the
15 aircraft sent do destroy new york city on septembre 11th, 2001 including the one with the nuke! fuck those muslims! how dare they try to nuke american soil! our economy is booming! and now for the commercial
Don't feel secure at work as you'd like to? hoping to retire? && give money to citibank! &&
in the case of an accidental firing*, you may be
able to claim, 50,100, or even 300,000$. don't let your children's future get filled with risk! give money to Citibank !
*conditions apply. all money given to citibank is the property of citigroup, and citigroup will not pay anyone any claims if they so see fit. citigroup does not give money to terrorrists and homosexuals.
*endcommercial*
look at those protestors! all of them supporting giuliani! isn't america beautiful? One Nation. One Homeland. One President...One News Network. MSFOX.
"I got an idea then, change the law so that personal noncommerical use of copyrighted material is allowed to be coppied and the 'il' will drop out of illegal. It is the peoples' law, and it will be changed if the majority of people are 'criminals' under it."
Just like in Canada, a country where a good majority of the population at some point of time smoked/will smoke marijuana, marijuana is legal (/sarcasm)
You're so full of shit. It is small lobbying groups with money and influence that can make this kind of change(making anything on the internet illegal), and if it's in their best interest to do so you bet they will.
" When the shit hits the fan and bills need to be paid sadly the ethics are the first thing to go down the toilet. " Kill yourself. Do us all a favour; you are a waste of good carbon.
but you have to seriously be more specific. there's probably dumb-ass firefox users, and there's *plenty* of PhD weilding people who, for whatever reason have to use explorer. But if you take the median explorer user, and the median firefox user, you will find that the firefox user is more technical, and the advertising companies
do not cater to them, whatsoever, since they only cater to the "lowest common denominator", or, middle-of-the-market-consumer.
Speaking of which, If you have advertisements on your site, beyond a bare minnimum (static or low-delta adbar and a few static ads, no more than an 2 inch^2's in area ), I will give your site a thumbs-down for polluting my mindshare.
in the meanwhile
I can tell you as a musician, I've been helped out a fucking lot by the internet. I'm very poor right now, and my recordings aren't going to increase very fast until that changes, but if/when that does change, you can bet that people are going to hear it, if they hear it, through xmms/winamp.
"This wouldn't happen if we had a union."
Do you work at EA? No? Then shut the fuck up. I'm pro-union too, but I'm going to guess you have no idea what you're talking about. I bet you have never tried to organized one of your workplaces, ever. Prove me wrong.
As for me, I've worked at places where if you even say the word 'union' you can be fired on the spot.
See This guy? He knows what he's talking about because he has taken into the account
1) the large, swarming horde of unemployed geeks and poor, cheap trained labour available in the fieild.
2) the size of the company, and the nature of the company
3) the large, swarming horde of unemployed geeks and poor, cheap trained labour available in the fieild.
Don't bring a bad name to unions by trying to bring them into situations where they are not possible.
you're the customers of the advertisers' customers. advertising companies sell advertisements, not products. Although, I'm sure by now some of them may be divisions of larger companies who do produce products...
I'm not so convined.
Automation can definitely allow you to do stuff in the time you had otherwise been doing what you have automated over...but if you're in a work environment, you may end up just getting replaced, or having a pay decrease. You are only worth to the company the cost of replacing you(?), and when you've automated your task into simplicity, you can be replaced by a simpleton, of which there are many to replace you. any situation where you can be replaced more easily is one where your wage goes down and your job security follows.
In effect, *vision* may end up putting you out of a job, not the lack therein. It is mindnumbingly stupid work is the stuff that people find it worthwhile to pay others descent wages to do; that's what jobs are. My economics prof once asked the class if any of us, in a utopian society, would chose to be a garbage man. While I said I would[and I mean it!], the point still stands, the whole point of getting paid to do something is that the task is unpleasant enough to warrent paying someone else to do it for you.
My last job, for example, was not pushing buttons...it was as a clerk in a Mac's. I know damn well that if I created a robot that would take money from the customers, watch the premises and clean[99.9% of my job, say], without requiring 6$/hr, I'd be fired. the job before that(at an arcade), if I had automated only as far as requiring coin-slots onto the computers and change machines, I couuld have easily been responsible for the loss of upwards of 6 jobs. ( ok that's optimistic, that job was kind of screwy,,, at one point there was something like 6 managers and 1 employee...and get this...the employee quit. only one of the managers had a clue...thankfully he stayed and just started rolling in the dough...)
But the idea though is to keep an open mind...perhaps a good scenario could yet come out of putting yourself out of a job. If I had invented a robot, I could have sold my robot. And if anything, that's one thing that my resume right now is missing...
"put myself out of a job at company X by automating the workplace sufficiently to the point where my continued prescence no longer added even a marginal amount of business value"*
Your problem fascinates me. I don't really remember the jetsons[I'm much too young and I never really did watch enough TV anyway..I think I saw the jetsons movie...]
Here's some of my ideas
1) better drugs
Provigil exists. Mabye it's not perfect, but mabye you can throw something together that is more perfect? I'm not sure how well it works, but that might solve your tiredness [at least on some levels]. Of course, you'll have to work longer hours pushing buttons to pay for the drugs, and I can totally imagine a 160+ hour a week job once provigil really takes off. I just hope that I can make use of the public's current 40ish hour workweek(Ha!! as if). And it also raises interesting questions, if you work 160+ hours a week, how are you not a slave?
2) You could make your job unneccessary. OK this is a stretch, especially considerring that you would be the one doing it(?) but I think this thread by default has 20 years to play with...I'm not sure what the nature of your button pushing is, but I understand the nature of *my* button pushing...and I tell you that at this point it's totally automat-able. Do you suppose that it would be possible to completely make you unneccessary, or perhaps 99.9% of your tasks unneccesary?
3) you could *not work* and just look like you're working, then fix anything that breaks. Again, this all depends what you're button pushing actually accomplishes.
4) you could outsource either your job or 3. Bonus if you can make money from the deal.
5) what is the nature of healthy? Plenty of excersize and good food, alongside with some descent hours of rest, and the occasional human person to communiate with etc? My mom used to play Dr.Mario, at the highest level, at the highest speed, while jogging on the jogging-machine or using the excersize-bike...I bet if you tried you could hook a linux terminal to something similar. Mabye there's some jobs you can't do, but mabye there's jobs you can do? Programming while running could be interesting...and now i'm almost eager to try...someone? anyone out there ever hooked a computer to an excersize bike? try to program?
6) mabye more printing needs to be done? get more blackboards involved, more projection screens, more markers and chalk and sticky tak. open source and open it far and wide? I don't know it really depends what you do I suppose.
I could go on but I have a CS assignment that needs time:D good luck with your problem
professionalism is a lot broader than your definition, and more sinister.
"act more professional; put some pants on!"
does not fit with your contexts, yet is obviously[at least to me] an example of a correct usage of the professional meme. This isn't really your fault, it's hard to define words off the top of your head, hell, I think Chomsky might consider it impossible or something but most of his stuff on linguistics is above my head.
So I suggest 4 ;
4. in addition to one of the above three, advanced maturity or at least a willingness to do what you are told without question.
Or is this some kind of albertan regional-dialect?
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And how do you sign up? Until I see money trickling into my pockets or the pockets of the many musicians who I've met throughout the years, I call bullshit. Unless you mean celine dion and nickleback. [But then I wouldn't really call them musicians.] This is a scam.
humour does not a troll constitute. mabye -1 Unfunny, or -1 overrated(joke has been used too much) but 1 troll? mods put down the crack pipe, or start sharing.
I'm sure you source all the jokes that you tell to your friends, don't you, pedant?
actually it has happened quite abit more than I would have liked to have happen :/
Though I have not witnessed with my own eyes the effects of the PATRIOT act, yet, thank god. doesn't 'nor' then allow me correctness?
and don't assume a 8 hour day. assume 12 or 16 hour day, pray that it wasn't closer to a 24 hour day. And he had the easy job!
...65$ is a little bit more than I got(not adjusted for inflation) ...and accumulated over a summer that's a lot compared to the average job round these parts.
I worked at PACSTC some years before he did (iirc I as staff one year he was there as a cadet >:D )
"People who cannot tell the difference between decent and "non-decent" (indecent?) music are the ones happily listening to what's currently in style." agreed(ugh) but I'm pretty sure they could be turned over to more independant free-r music if there was an easy way to 'consume' music for cheap, and find out all bands all your friends like(*shudder* msn blogging).
Parent has never been removed from a public library, nor has parent ever witnessed the PATRIOT act's implications as pretaining to public libraries.
I was going to reply to other parts of your post but I'm going to instead chose this: " People who have created those works were able to because THAT IS THEIR LIFE. We have to work, and most people are fucking incredibly untalented. "
"We", and by that i mean you, may have to work, but musicians have lives too. Many of them put up with bullshit (sometimes minnimum wage) jobs hoping their music will catch, or if not hoping just confiding to their art how shitty their lives are.
I find that people who cannot tell the difference between say, descent music and nondescent music tend to be poor musicians, and they would be just as happy listening to noname bands and artists than they would listening to whatever's currently in style. On the other hand, people who Can tell the difference have at least the potential to be that good...and if you are not content with your current music that you've come up with in your quest to not listen to the mass media, then that's a GOOD SIGN and that mabye, somewhere else, if you can satisfy yourself, you may even be able to make a living from the music. By this I also think I've proven that you have no musical talent, and only happen to listen to pink floyd from pure luck.
There's a lot of music waiting to be written, pink floyd does not have a monopoly of great music, and if you're lucky, and talented, you just might be able to pull it off. And if not, there's a shortage of backup bass guitar players right now(at least here), and other strange things here and there in the music industry (people willing to help with tours, distrobution, you name it). That being said I've been kind of removed from music as a whole for awhile, mabye things have changed. but boy oh boy could I ever use a tour crew that would work for free(as in beer!) and a cheaper place to practice...Oh yea. there you go. don't want to listen to mass media artists? Open your living room for random musicians and serve them beer. OK not for everyone and I think I've lost track of where I'm going with this. But yes, after a few beers and a mosh pit nearby even mediocre punk can be pink floyd worthy. Yes back to studying
good lord, my fellow british subjects! Why?
because I mentioned the mars program exactly as many times as the republicans and media corporations will in 2008.
"So it is truly discouraging. Bush got re-elected so that at the end of the next four years can see how horribly wrong they were and that the Iraq war was a bad idea. Expensive lesson."
in 4 years 'america has won the war on iraq! vote guiliani for president, because guiliani stopped two of the 15 aircraft sent do destroy new york city on septembre 11th, 2001 including the one with the nuke! fuck those muslims! how dare they try to nuke american soil! our economy is booming! and now for the commercial
Don't feel secure at work as you'd like to? hoping to retire? && give money to citibank! && in the case of an accidental firing*, you may be able to claim, 50,100, or even 300,000$. don't let your children's future get filled with risk! give money to Citibank ! *conditions apply. all money given to citibank is the property of citigroup, and citigroup will not pay anyone any claims if they so see fit. citigroup does not give money to terrorrists and homosexuals. *endcommercial*
look at those protestors! all of them supporting giuliani! isn't america beautiful? One Nation. One Homeland. One President...One News Network. MSFOX.
"I got an idea then, change the law so that personal noncommerical use of copyrighted material is allowed to be coppied and the 'il' will drop out of illegal. It is the peoples' law, and it will be changed if the majority of people are 'criminals' under it."
Just like in Canada, a country where a good majority of the population at some point of time smoked/will smoke marijuana, marijuana is legal (/sarcasm)
You're so full of shit. It is small lobbying groups with money and influence that can make this kind of change(making anything on the internet illegal), and if it's in their best interest to do so you bet they will.
" When the shit hits the fan and bills need to be paid sadly the ethics are the first thing to go down the toilet. " Kill yourself. Do us all a favour; you are a waste of good carbon.
but you have to seriously be more specific. there's probably dumb-ass firefox users, and there's *plenty* of PhD weilding people who, for whatever reason have to use explorer. But if you take the median explorer user, and the median firefox user, you will find that the firefox user is more technical, and the advertising companies do not cater to them, whatsoever, since they only cater to the "lowest common denominator", or, middle-of-the-market-consumer. Speaking of which, If you have advertisements on your site, beyond a bare minnimum (static or low-delta adbar and a few static ads, no more than an 2 inch^2's in area ), I will give your site a thumbs-down for polluting my mindshare.
cool sig (not offtopic actually, but very little comment here. :/)
in the meanwhile I can tell you as a musician, I've been helped out a fucking lot by the internet. I'm very poor right now, and my recordings aren't going to increase very fast until that changes, but if/when that does change, you can bet that people are going to hear it, if they hear it, through xmms/winamp.
"This wouldn't happen if we had a union."
Do you work at EA? No? Then shut the fuck up. I'm pro-union too, but I'm going to guess you have no idea what you're talking about. I bet you have never tried to organized one of your workplaces, ever. Prove me wrong.
As for me, I've worked at places where if you even say the word 'union' you can be fired on the spot.
See This guy? He knows what he's talking about because he has taken into the account
1) the large, swarming horde of unemployed geeks and poor, cheap trained labour available in the fieild.
2) the size of the company, and the nature of the company
3) the large, swarming horde of unemployed geeks and poor, cheap trained labour available in the fieild.
Don't bring a bad name to unions by trying to bring them into situations where they are not possible.
you're the customers of the advertisers' customers. advertising companies sell advertisements, not products. Although, I'm sure by now some of them may be divisions of larger companies who do produce products...
http://www.googlefight.com/cgi-bin/compare.pl?q1=s lashdot&q2=google&B1=Make+a+fight%21&compare=1&lan gue=us
I'm not so convined.
,,, at one point there was something like 6 managers and 1 employee...and get this...the employee quit. only one of the managers had a clue...thankfully he stayed and just started rolling in the dough...)
Automation can definitely allow you to do stuff in the time you had otherwise been doing what you have automated over...but if you're in a work environment, you may end up just getting replaced, or having a pay decrease. You are only worth to the company the cost of replacing you(?), and when you've automated your task into simplicity, you can be replaced by a simpleton, of which there are many to replace you. any situation where you can be replaced more easily is one where your wage goes down and your job security follows.
In effect, *vision* may end up putting you out of a job, not the lack therein. It is mindnumbingly stupid work is the stuff that people find it worthwhile to pay others descent wages to do; that's what jobs are. My economics prof once asked the class if any of us, in a utopian society, would chose to be a garbage man. While I said I would[and I mean it!], the point still stands, the whole point of getting paid to do something is that the task is unpleasant enough to warrent paying someone else to do it for you.
My last job, for example, was not pushing buttons...it was as a clerk in a Mac's. I know damn well that if I created a robot that would take money from the customers, watch the premises and clean[99.9% of my job, say], without requiring 6$/hr, I'd be fired. the job before that(at an arcade), if I had automated only as far as requiring coin-slots onto the computers and change machines, I couuld have easily been responsible for the loss of upwards of 6 jobs. ( ok that's optimistic, that job was kind of screwy
But the idea though is to keep an open mind...perhaps a good scenario could yet come out of putting yourself out of a job. If I had invented a robot, I could have sold my robot. And if anything, that's one thing that my resume right now is missing...
"put myself out of a job at company X by automating the workplace sufficiently to the point where my continued prescence no longer added even a marginal amount of business value"*
(was marginal used correctly here?)
Your problem fascinates me. I don't really remember the jetsons[I'm much too young and I never really did watch enough TV anyway..I think I saw the jetsons movie...]
:D good luck with your problem
Here's some of my ideas
1) better drugs
Provigil exists. Mabye it's not perfect, but mabye you can throw something together that is more perfect? I'm not sure how well it works, but that might solve your tiredness [at least on some levels]. Of course, you'll have to work longer hours pushing buttons to pay for the drugs, and I can totally imagine a 160+ hour a week job once provigil really takes off. I just hope that I can make use of the public's current 40ish hour workweek(Ha!! as if). And it also raises interesting questions, if you work 160+ hours a week, how are you not a slave?
2) You could make your job unneccessary. OK this is a stretch, especially considerring that you would be the one doing it(?) but I think this thread by default has 20 years to play with...I'm not sure what the nature of your button pushing is, but I understand the nature of *my* button pushing...and I tell you that at this point it's totally automat-able. Do you suppose that it would be possible to completely make you unneccessary, or perhaps 99.9% of your tasks unneccesary?
3) you could *not work* and just look like you're working, then fix anything that breaks. Again, this all depends what you're button pushing actually accomplishes.
4) you could outsource either your job or 3. Bonus if you can make money from the deal.
5) what is the nature of healthy? Plenty of excersize and good food, alongside with some descent hours of rest, and the occasional human person to communiate with etc? My mom used to play Dr.Mario, at the highest level, at the highest speed, while jogging on the jogging-machine or using the excersize-bike...I bet if you tried you could hook a linux terminal to something similar. Mabye there's some jobs you can't do, but mabye there's jobs you can do? Programming while running could be interesting...and now i'm almost eager to try...someone? anyone out there ever hooked a computer to an excersize bike? try to program?
6) mabye more printing needs to be done? get more blackboards involved, more projection screens, more markers and chalk and sticky tak. open source and open it far and wide? I don't know it really depends what you do I suppose.
I could go on but I have a CS assignment that needs time
if we're discussing 20-year off absurd futuristic claims,
/. automate meta-moderation? and what kind of system would be capable of this?
in 2024 will
The definition is still lacking...unless the 4th meaning is from an Albertan regional dialect.
"act more professional; put some pants on!"
does not fit with your contexts, yet is obviously[at least to me] an example of a correct usage of the professional meme. This isn't really your fault, it's hard to define words off the top of your head, hell, I think Chomsky might consider it impossible or something but most of his stuff on linguistics is above my head.So I suggest 4 ;
4. in addition to one of the above three, advanced maturity or at least a willingness to do what you are told without question.
Or is this some kind of albertan regional-dialect?
This *is* an assault on GNU. I'm glad he pointed this out.