what the hell? Sean Kennedy is not a commercial entity, and as far as I know did not sell the 'sktfm.tv' video episodes, nor intended to; they were free to download from the beginning, unless this changed in the past few years or so. unfortunately, halfway through being free for download for a year or so were suddenly pulled.
Sean Kennedy claimed to be the first open source person; everything he makes can be downloaded, ripped, and transmitted into any medium and every medium possible. Do you mean rantmedia? like..uh..rantradio and it's parent group rantmedia? a non-commerical radio station? it just doesn't make sense.
And when an organization uses copyright ownership as an excuse to forbit someone to distribute their own works, I'd say that's censorship.
" The only sane solution is to change the meaning of byte to 10 bits (8 significant bits and 2 'leap' bits).
ie: 1 K = 10000 bits (80% of which is significant)"
Sane?!~ That's insane! That's a horrible idea! Have you ever written a computer program? How about "the only solution is to get [a] descent operating system[s] that works flawlessly and is scalable from the desktop-using-grandma to the multi-million-node network and an endless stream of applications that will cater to our every need and then some, and reduce poverty while we are at it."
mabye that's just it
mabye we convince ourselves that we can have both an open market and low taxes and it materializes due to the gross will of the people. Mabye it's the simple act of confusing ourselves that *allows* us to successfully pull of an impossibility, and that the worst thing you could wish on the nation is for it to wake up.
directional chaos, my friend.
"You are treading your path of greatness: no one shall steal after you here! your foot itself has
extinguished the path behind you, and above that
path stands written: Impossibility.
and when all footholds disappear, you must know
how to climb upon your own head: how could you climb upward otherwise?"
THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA
Becuase this parent post really depresses me. You're right, grandparent poster, I am just beginning to forget the pangs of hunger and the hopelessness of some of the times bygone. 600$ is a hell of a lot. that's 300 hours at 2$/hr.
Rationalize it off into a corner so that you can feel better about the situation, with religious fervour, or whatever else, if you have to feel better about the situation, but the two words refer to the same thing.
now, capitalism[of the Adam Smith variety, afaik] will try to suggest that if both parties act in their best interest, they will both gain, so long as certain conditions are met. strictly speaking, this is more or less true, but the certain conditions are really, really hard to come by.
Nietzsche's work suggests that either the most aggressive and brutal, or a-banding-together [or more likely dominance of the weak by the strong or each other] causes greater survival.
both of these achieve a *different* world through greed and the will to power, and that it happens whether we want it to happen or not. There is no sense, fighting against greed, in a sense, for it is everywhere, by necessity. This point must not be left unaccounted for.
Capitalism pushes the boundary as to where exactly the dominance happens, and moves the 'master' in the master-slave relationship almost an incomprehensible distance [the *master* is the *consumer* and if the slave is the consumer, then the *master* is partially themself!]. This distance is also a distance that must be fought-against in any sort of revolt against the oppressive forces, any revolt *against* the strong by the weak. Whereas four thousand or so years ago, you could flee from or explode and express violent feelings as a reaction to your master, these days there is no where to run, there is no one to fight against. no one, less a few accidents, really knows who is in charge
(the markets, corporations, and *ourselves*),
and even if you could know what's going on, the sheer magnitude of it all would frighten a person back into submission.
But you also hedge the issue when you demand that words have different meanings. Greed does not have any meaning other than self interest, however when said it refers as well to a possible interpretation of self-interest; that is, a negative one.
If you are, for example christian, it is *easier* to say that you are acting in your own self-interest for it distances you from your act, and since it would cause guilt and or shame for you to be both a christian and for you to commit an act against your faith in the eyes of your fellowman, and that greed is necessarily against christianity[or at least some forms of it]. So yes, distance between the act and the actor.
What would be the next step? If human nature is greedy, and if self-interest is really what happens and not greed, where's the next step?
Performing my duty? Perhaps as a selfless capitalistic citizen of the Free Trade Arena of the Americas, in my completely self-interest-less matter, I will conduct my business in such a way as to benifit as many people as possible through the market structure? Perhaps I will just become one with the Tao?
[Meta:Hopefully someone will mod this post so that I will know whether or not I am still resonating in harmony with the/. hive mind.]
While I agree with most of your post, I have purchased now something like 16 computers, and if you add all hardware cost together and all internet fees together you will find it adds up to somewhere around 600$. And most of that is fairly recent with a death of around 11 hard drives back to back[wtf?]. the rest is mostly internet connectivity fees, which could have been lower[dialup for 80$/month is nuts when you make 5$/hr. grrr@regional phone monopoly]. I admit that I have a little better hardware than mabye a poor person should have, and that at the moment I'm not what I would call poor, [although I am very close to it], but damnit i'm a CS student, and if anyone needs a higher-than-absolute-minnimum computer it's CS/EE/IT/etc students and gamers.
But it is possible to get computers for free in some places. And most of my computers I have gotten for free. that being said, not everyone has access to free computers...so...Now the reason I make this post comes out:
PEOPLE: DO NOT throw away your old hardware. some other poor bastard needs it, even if you think it's not worth keeping. In fact, if it's not worth keeping, definitely give it away, because it allows an easier learning curve for hardware junkies. 600MB drives are huge[up until last week i was using a 50mb drive!]. Just give it to someone at random. and tell them to give it to someone at random, ad nauseam. Apple][e's are great for learning BASIC and really low end CS. anything 386 and higher can run linux[well...if the ram is available...and if everything isn't broken yet].
I'm not the smartest person in the world and I did not get a great computer-saturated childhood, but I did make up for it with countless hours spent on ancient equipment. My apple ][e was in use pretty much whenever I could afford to pay for electricity to power it from 2000 until early 2004. Every computer i've owned since was either on when I had electricity to power it, or broken down or canibalized to feed the next generation of computers. I look forward to the day where everyone who wants a computer can have one, and where GPL software will be available for all, even those running 386's. I look forward to a day where those who don't want to own a computer can own a thin-client which can boot off of a local [quite possibly microsoft] system and utilize that system, hopefully for free[as in fish]. I look forward most, to the day when I can get a CD burner so when hard drive #17 or 18 dies I won't lose any data[backups backups backups!]. And that CD
burner will be used, and likely just about to be thrown away as blue-laser will be the rage at that point.
Moving along, anyone else notice slashdot being unordinarily *good* today? If this and my current job keeps up it might be worth encouraging with getting a user account:)
Now don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-union, but I don't think I've ever worked a job with a 40 hour work week, and I've worked in some conditions well above repeated 16 hour workdays. That and minnimum wage, I think 60%ish of my jobs have been less-than-minnimum wage. And this isn't just me here, either - Long hours are more common than most union-protected people are aware of, and there was a time for awhile where all of my friends were either unemployed or making less than minnimum wage. As I grow older some people I know are getting on with Wal-mart and the like and making 7-8$/hr, but even then that's not really great...
Don't kid yourselves, this stuff has yet to be accomplished. Unions are good things, but don't think that they've allready accomplished what they have yet to.
The worst thing, in my experience, is that in the past 30 years is the corporate experimentations with drugs, and drug-free environments, respectively. Corporations deciding what goes in and out of your body, and trying to change the chemical make up of your brain. Oh, that and the greater ability for them to monitor your every-second of work, and pay accordingly, although that is still mostly paranoia on my part and it may not have happened yet. But as technology in general becomes more adapted to that sort of thing, it will become a reality.
"Eventually 'white collar' workers will realize that unions are the only way to resist'.
unless they don't want to resist! most people are very similar to cattle, and are perfectly content to be exploited, so long as they get their television, and or drugs, and or pussy and alchohol, and or whatever-the-distraction-of-the-day is. Television killed the union movement, in my opinion, but that hasn't happened yet.
How is unionism in china going? Due to dialectic, I think the united states may very well be more chinese than china will ever be sometime in the future.
That makes me feel better, I was hoping there were chinese films out there worth watching, I mean the sheer math seems to suggest it! I don't go to movies to see sex[otherwise I'd just look at porn], but the film I was talking about in particular, was boring in every way I could think of, and what little plot it had skirted around sex.
Mabye I did miss the whole point about rushmore. That's entirely possible.
Large companies, are collectives, thus, single entities. They do not have a single thought process, they have many. Just like human beings do not have a single thought process - thousands upon thousands of subprocesses exist within each of us and only a very few of them we are ever aware of.
or mabye not. My roommate e keeps bringing home these cheesy romances from the regina public library. A basic corny plot, [no sex? it's a romance, and half the movie hinges on sex. if it's going to be that bad of a movie at least show some skin fergodsakes], stupid jokes, and overall boring, uninteresting, and a waste of time.
But even that movie is great compared to the cheesy trying-to-be-american chinese movies which may or may not be funded by their government. I'm sure there's plenty of talent in china, i mean their population is like 50x Canada's...
why, you're absolutely correct! CS is OS independant beyond description!
however, if you take CS at a heavily-windows-funded school, you will most definitely miss out.
And I'm not saying windows users can't be CS majors, in fact some, if not most, of the best are. But the time they learned their craft was different altogether; whereas before you could use MSDOS and QBASIC, now you don't have to deal with that quite so much, and there's a tendancy to just ignore anything that has allready been accomplished(ie, why bother learning HOW OS's work, because MS won't let you see how windows works, so why bother? etc).
While there are great CS majors who use windows, there are also a lot of pathetic ones, who are clueless in many ways, mostly due to their refusal to use anything other than windows.
But the most important reason that I feel this guy should not use windows is that for every developer that even touches microsoft's products, there is demand, and more importantly there is a greater influence given to microsoft over the field, and other fields. I do not want microsoft patenting the basic tenets of CS, as it has tried to do in the past. The more support they get the more likely they are to continue.
But alas, I may be still a cluebie! I have a long way to go yet before my words should be given any credance to. I may not know what I'm talking about,[or worse, I may not be able to articulate truths such as "Microsoft is Evil"] Fear not! I will continue to bootstrap myself throughout the next few years!
CS is a good idea, for the right person.
You have to understand that a university degree is going to become a part of you, and hopefully refine talent you allready have. Once that matter becomes clear it should be a hard time convincing you why not to start a four-year degree, depending of course on how expensive it is to acquire. I pray you use something other than Microsoft Windows?
"Certainly most muslim societies and lots of backwards countries like in africa but most western countries are more englightened."
ha
hahaha
ha ha ha hahah hahaha
hahaha ha ha ha.
and i'm sure the nature and personality and interests of mom have nothing to do with it.[/sarcasm]
Will I back this up? of course not! I'm just trying to stay awake. If i could htink coherantly I would be studying for my economics test that i have in 3 hours.
I'm sorry, all packets to and from msn.com and all it's subdomains on this network are sent to the black hole. But google will suffice today.
well, you can go to most of the malls in regina, for the clothing stores. And my description of women sums up quite clearly a good 99.9% of the women I've met. Which makes me very sad, sometimes.
in my coffeedazed state i notice you have put up evidence to the attempted contrary of what I say, and this is a good and noble thing. It does not follow however, that because this boy was raised as a girl, and that he did not turn out like a normal girl, that there are no mental tokens of personal identification passed on. I'd say for starters, he killed himself with pills[right?], which while not conclusive or convincing at least hints of an impact, seeing how this a more common method used by females to commit suicide. By the sounds of what I've read ( I could be wrong ) there was little social acceptance, and being a social reject turned into tomboy freak...well you may as well be a man without a penis. It was a good counterexample, and may still hold sway, but there is more to this than just one person, in one situation.
[ oh and I'd never imagined anyone would ever accuse me of rhetoric. I was wonderring if reading aristotle's rhetoric was ever going to kick in. thank you for noticing:) ]
b) this is a poor example, secondly, as having early childhood trauma of having your penis burned off would well put a person out of their normal state wahtever that may be
That being said, take rantradio, for example.
Rantradio had an average listener pool which consisted mainly of drunk 12-14 year old girls. that was in 1998.
it's now 2004, and those drunk 12-14 year old girls are now drunk 18-20 year old girls, who are also hardcore rantradio fans to the core. A lot of them have coupled with rantradio and surrounding social world guys[ and gals]. I myself have dated someone in that crowd. If you are going to view women as objects, at least think it through thoroughly...the younger the indoctrination begins the better.
Actually I think the above example, and those like it, are also better things than the alternative[free markets out in the open], regardless of how sinister that sounded. Social constructions, like churches, and community groups, which are represented by both male and female members are great places to engage in friendships and courtships that have a much better chance of turning into long term relationships than solitary wanderers just meeting at random and pumping in drunken blurs. Everyone gains. Now should there be summer camps for CS? hardly. it's a big field, and really what's the point. But for GNU/Linux...now there's an idea. GNU and Linux are bigger than just software projects, they are communities, and more than that, ideals, that would serve and have served as cornerstones to build communities, works, and whole kingdoms on. I think, anyway. And if GNU/Linux is going to get, or continue to be the massive whirlwind of potency that it is, it would really benifit from whole family involvement from cradle to grave, both genders, etc. It shoudn't be summer camp, it should be everywhere! but...it must start somewhere.
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hold on there.
1) Monopolies create market inefficiencies
2)
corporate power structures are evil
Just because corporations are the cause of grief does not automatically make them some sort of scapegoat unworthy of attention. There are a lot of occurances that are unpleasant in this world, rainstorms, for example, happen sometimes, and for some are benificial, for others, they are harmful[ie tornados,etc]
we must deal with them, as rational beings interacting with our environment. Sometimes that might mean revolution, sometimes that means just dealing with it.
great post btw.
This not only ignores the problem, but makes it worse!!
This summer, I found myself in a public shower stall, in the middle-of-nowhere-saskatchewan, where both males and females, completely accepting and used to eachothers presence, were set about their trying to cleanse themselves with what went for water around those parts. After that "hrm..that's odd" moment, i resumed my trek to the crapper but the point is the rules are changing; how women and men interact is becoming more sane as the years roll on, and I can tell you right now that segregation is not the final solution.
besides that some people are just assholes, and women and men both have to deal with them.
then again i've been up for too damn long and i'm just trying to stay awake by posting drivel on slashdot, so who knows
After about the age of 3 or 4 the trends have allready been set and it will be a battle getting women interested into deckery or linux. A lot of superficial mental tokens of personal identification are reinforced and given to children before they get into grade 5 or so. By then it's allready too late. Complaints that engineering/CS fields are underrepresented by women are so because society at large treats women like property, stupid and unthinking, and expects them to act that way, at a very young age. Instead of becoming doctors they are taught to attempt to marry doctors.
And believe me, the marketing departments of large corporations everywhere, expanding their
influences younger isn't going to make things any better. There's fashion clothing stores with pseudosoftcore advertisements in public shopping malls for *children*! I realize that the next generation has got to try to out-do this one, but holy cow, using children as sexual objects of desire for mass marketing purposes? this is going to mentally retard the next generation, specifically women who are the targets for the majority of these marketing ploys.
Why think when you can watch television, huh? and THAT is why you won't see quite as many women in the field.
Slashdot Mirror
what the hell? Sean Kennedy is not a commercial entity, and as far as I know did not sell the 'sktfm.tv' video episodes, nor intended to; they were free to download from the beginning, unless this changed in the past few years or so. unfortunately, halfway through being free for download for a year or so were suddenly pulled. Sean Kennedy claimed to be the first open source person; everything he makes can be downloaded, ripped, and transmitted into any medium and every medium possible. Do you mean rantmedia? like..uh..rantradio and it's parent group rantmedia? a non-commerical radio station? it just doesn't make sense.
And when an organization uses copyright ownership as an excuse to forbit someone to distribute their own works, I'd say that's censorship.
try again: Exhibit A sean kennedy
exhibit A href="http://www.sktfm.tv">sean kennedy.
All these "laws" presuppose wealth... is this intentional? or is this only appropriate for those who have their uinversity paid for by their parents?
When did I start to hate people who enjoy their life?
" The only sane solution is to change the meaning of byte to 10 bits (8 significant bits and 2 'leap' bits). ie: 1 K = 10000 bits (80% of which is significant)"
Sane?!~ That's insane! That's a horrible idea! Have you ever written a computer program? How about "the only solution is to get [a] descent operating system[s] that works flawlessly and is scalable from the desktop-using-grandma to the multi-million-node network and an endless stream of applications that will cater to our every need and then some, and reduce poverty while we are at it."
Final Solutions never are.
mabye that's just it
mabye we convince ourselves that we can have both an open market and low taxes and it materializes due to the gross will of the people. Mabye it's the simple act of confusing ourselves that *allows* us to successfully pull of an impossibility, and that the worst thing you could wish on the nation is for it to wake up.
directional chaos, my friend.
"You are treading your path of greatness: no one shall steal after you here! your foot itself has extinguished the path behind you, and above that path stands written: Impossibility.
and when all footholds disappear, you must know how to climb upon your own head: how could you climb upward otherwise?"
THUS SPOKE ZARATHUSTRA
like democracy, the problems with linux are solved by....more linux!
Becuase this parent post really depresses me. You're right, grandparent poster, I am just beginning to forget the pangs of hunger and the hopelessness of some of the times bygone. 600$ is a hell of a lot. that's 300 hours at 2$/hr.
is what both these concepts boil down to.
/. hive mind.]
Rationalize it off into a corner so that you can feel better about the situation, with religious fervour, or whatever else, if you have to feel better about the situation, but the two words refer to the same thing.
now, capitalism[of the Adam Smith variety, afaik] will try to suggest that if both parties act in their best interest, they will both gain, so long as certain conditions are met. strictly speaking, this is more or less true, but the certain conditions are really, really hard to come by.
Nietzsche's work suggests that either the most aggressive and brutal, or a-banding-together [or more likely dominance of the weak by the strong or each other] causes greater survival. both of these achieve a *different* world through greed and the will to power, and that it happens whether we want it to happen or not. There is no sense, fighting against greed, in a sense, for it is everywhere, by necessity. This point must not be left unaccounted for.
Capitalism pushes the boundary as to where exactly the dominance happens, and moves the 'master' in the master-slave relationship almost an incomprehensible distance [the *master* is the *consumer* and if the slave is the consumer, then the *master* is partially themself!]. This distance is also a distance that must be fought-against in any sort of revolt against the oppressive forces, any revolt *against* the strong by the weak. Whereas four thousand or so years ago, you could flee from or explode and express violent feelings as a reaction to your master, these days there is no where to run, there is no one to fight against. no one, less a few accidents, really knows who is in charge (the markets, corporations, and *ourselves*), and even if you could know what's going on, the sheer magnitude of it all would frighten a person back into submission.
But you also hedge the issue when you demand that words have different meanings. Greed does not have any meaning other than self interest, however when said it refers as well to a possible interpretation of self-interest; that is, a negative one.
If you are, for example christian, it is *easier* to say that you are acting in your own self-interest for it distances you from your act, and since it would cause guilt and or shame for you to be both a christian and for you to commit an act against your faith in the eyes of your fellowman, and that greed is necessarily against christianity[or at least some forms of it]. So yes, distance between the act and the actor.
What would be the next step? If human nature is greedy, and if self-interest is really what happens and not greed, where's the next step? Performing my duty? Perhaps as a selfless capitalistic citizen of the Free Trade Arena of the Americas, in my completely self-interest-less matter, I will conduct my business in such a way as to benifit as many people as possible through the market structure? Perhaps I will just become one with the Tao?
[Meta:Hopefully someone will mod this post so that I will know whether or not I am still resonating in harmony with the
While I agree with most of your post, I have purchased now something like 16 computers, and if you add all hardware cost together and all internet fees together you will find it adds up to somewhere around 600$. And most of that is fairly recent with a death of around 11 hard drives back to back[wtf?]. the rest is mostly internet connectivity fees, which could have been lower[dialup for 80$/month is nuts when you make 5$/hr. grrr@regional phone monopoly]. I admit that I have a little better hardware than mabye a poor person should have, and that at the moment I'm not what I would call poor, [although I am very close to it], but damnit i'm a CS student, and if anyone needs a higher-than-absolute-minnimum computer it's CS/EE/IT/etc students and gamers.
:)
But it is possible to get computers for free in some places. And most of my computers I have gotten for free. that being said, not everyone has access to free computers...so...Now the reason I make this post comes out:
PEOPLE: DO NOT throw away your old hardware. some other poor bastard needs it, even if you think it's not worth keeping. In fact, if it's not worth keeping, definitely give it away, because it allows an easier learning curve for hardware junkies. 600MB drives are huge[up until last week i was using a 50mb drive!]. Just give it to someone at random. and tell them to give it to someone at random, ad nauseam. Apple][e's are great for learning BASIC and really low end CS. anything 386 and higher can run linux[well...if the ram is available...and if everything isn't broken yet]. I'm not the smartest person in the world and I did not get a great computer-saturated childhood, but I did make up for it with countless hours spent on ancient equipment. My apple ][e was in use pretty much whenever I could afford to pay for electricity to power it from 2000 until early 2004. Every computer i've owned since was either on when I had electricity to power it, or broken down or canibalized to feed the next generation of computers. I look forward to the day where everyone who wants a computer can have one, and where GPL software will be available for all, even those running 386's. I look forward to a day where those who don't want to own a computer can own a thin-client which can boot off of a local [quite possibly microsoft] system and utilize that system, hopefully for free[as in fish]. I look forward most, to the day when I can get a CD burner so when hard drive #17 or 18 dies I won't lose any data[backups backups backups!]. And that CD burner will be used, and likely just about to be thrown away as blue-laser will be the rage at that point.
Moving along, anyone else notice slashdot being unordinarily *good* today? If this and my current job keeps up it might be worth encouraging with getting a user account
Now don't get me wrong, I'm very pro-union, but I don't think I've ever worked a job with a 40 hour work week, and I've worked in some conditions well above repeated 16 hour workdays. That and minnimum wage, I think 60%ish of my jobs have been less-than-minnimum wage. And this isn't just me here, either - Long hours are more common than most union-protected people are aware of, and there was a time for awhile where all of my friends were either unemployed or making less than minnimum wage. As I grow older some people I know are getting on with Wal-mart and the like and making 7-8$/hr, but even then that's not really great...
Don't kid yourselves, this stuff has yet to be accomplished. Unions are good things, but don't think that they've allready accomplished what they have yet to.
The worst thing, in my experience, is that in the past 30 years is the corporate experimentations with drugs, and drug-free environments, respectively. Corporations deciding what goes in and out of your body, and trying to change the chemical make up of your brain. Oh, that and the greater ability for them to monitor your every-second of work, and pay accordingly, although that is still mostly paranoia on my part and it may not have happened yet. But as technology in general becomes more adapted to that sort of thing, it will become a reality.
"Eventually 'white collar' workers will realize that unions are the only way to resist'. unless they don't want to resist! most people are very similar to cattle, and are perfectly content to be exploited, so long as they get their television, and or drugs, and or pussy and alchohol, and or whatever-the-distraction-of-the-day is. Television killed the union movement, in my opinion, but that hasn't happened yet.
How is unionism in china going? Due to dialectic, I think the united states may very well be more chinese than china will ever be sometime in the future.
That makes me feel better, I was hoping there were chinese films out there worth watching, I mean the sheer math seems to suggest it! I don't go to movies to see sex[otherwise I'd just look at porn], but the film I was talking about in particular, was boring in every way I could think of, and what little plot it had skirted around sex.
Mabye I did miss the whole point about rushmore. That's entirely possible.
Large companies, are collectives, thus, single entities. They do not have a single thought process, they have many. Just like human beings do not have a single thought process - thousands upon thousands of subprocesses exist within each of us and only a very few of them we are ever aware of.
or anything by that director.
or mabye not. My roommate e keeps bringing home these cheesy romances from the regina public library. A basic corny plot, [no sex? it's a romance, and half the movie hinges on sex. if it's going to be that bad of a movie at least show some skin fergodsakes], stupid jokes, and overall boring, uninteresting, and a waste of time. But even that movie is great compared to the cheesy trying-to-be-american chinese movies which may or may not be funded by their government. I'm sure there's plenty of talent in china, i mean their population is like 50x Canada's...
what gives with these crappy movies?
thank you for bringing up NDA's. I should have mentioned that.
/. afterall.
I think that's a little harsh, though. Then again, this is
why, you're absolutely correct! CS is OS independant beyond description!
however, if you take CS at a heavily-windows-funded school, you will most definitely miss out. And I'm not saying windows users can't be CS majors, in fact some, if not most, of the best are. But the time they learned their craft was different altogether; whereas before you could use MSDOS and QBASIC, now you don't have to deal with that quite so much, and there's a tendancy to just ignore anything that has allready been accomplished(ie, why bother learning HOW OS's work, because MS won't let you see how windows works, so why bother? etc). While there are great CS majors who use windows, there are also a lot of pathetic ones, who are clueless in many ways, mostly due to their refusal to use anything other than windows.
But the most important reason that I feel this guy should not use windows is that for every developer that even touches microsoft's products, there is demand, and more importantly there is a greater influence given to microsoft over the field, and other fields. I do not want microsoft patenting the basic tenets of CS, as it has tried to do in the past. The more support they get the more likely they are to continue.
But alas, I may be still a cluebie! I have a long way to go yet before my words should be given any credance to. I may not know what I'm talking about,[or worse, I may not be able to articulate truths such as "Microsoft is Evil"] Fear not! I will continue to bootstrap myself throughout the next few years!
CS is a good idea, for the right person.
You have to understand that a university degree is going to become a part of you, and hopefully refine talent you allready have. Once that matter becomes clear it should be a hard time convincing you why not to start a four-year degree, depending of course on how expensive it is to acquire. I pray you use something other than Microsoft Windows?
now...also notice that the subject in question didn't turn out to be a CS major, did [s]he?
"Certainly most muslim societies and lots of backwards countries like in africa but most western countries are more englightened."
ha
hahaha
ha ha ha hahah hahaha
hahaha ha ha ha.
and i'm sure the nature and personality and interests of mom have nothing to do with it.[/sarcasm]
Will I back this up? of course not! I'm just trying to stay awake. If i could htink coherantly I would be studying for my economics test that i have in 3 hours.
...well you may as well be a man without a penis. It was a good counterexample, and may still hold sway, but there is more to this than just one person, in one situation.
:) ]
I'm sorry, all packets to and from msn.com and all it's subdomains on this network are sent to the black hole. But google will suffice today.
well, you can go to most of the malls in regina, for the clothing stores. And my description of women sums up quite clearly a good 99.9% of the women I've met. Which makes me very sad, sometimes.
in my coffeedazed state i notice you have put up evidence to the attempted contrary of what I say, and this is a good and noble thing. It does not follow however, that because this boy was raised as a girl, and that he did not turn out like a normal girl, that there are no mental tokens of personal identification passed on. I'd say for starters, he killed himself with pills[right?], which while not conclusive or convincing at least hints of an impact, seeing how this a more common method used by females to commit suicide. By the sounds of what I've read ( I could be wrong ) there was little social acceptance, and being a social reject turned into tomboy freak
[ oh and I'd never imagined anyone would ever accuse me of rhetoric. I was wonderring if reading aristotle's rhetoric was ever going to kick in. thank you for noticing
b) this is a poor example, secondly, as having early childhood trauma of having your penis burned off would well put a person out of their normal state wahtever that may be
That being said, take rantradio, for example. Rantradio had an average listener pool which consisted mainly of drunk 12-14 year old girls. that was in 1998. it's now 2004, and those drunk 12-14 year old girls are now drunk 18-20 year old girls, who are also hardcore rantradio fans to the core. A lot of them have coupled with rantradio and surrounding social world guys[ and gals]. I myself have dated someone in that crowd. If you are going to view women as objects, at least think it through thoroughly...the younger the indoctrination begins the better.
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Actually I think the above example, and those like it, are also better things than the alternative[free markets out in the open], regardless of how sinister that sounded. Social constructions, like churches, and community groups, which are represented by both male and female members are great places to engage in friendships and courtships that have a much better chance of turning into long term relationships than solitary wanderers just meeting at random and pumping in drunken blurs. Everyone gains. Now should there be summer camps for CS? hardly. it's a big field, and really what's the point. But for GNU/Linux...now there's an idea. GNU and Linux are bigger than just software projects, they are communities, and more than that, ideals, that would serve and have served as cornerstones to build communities, works, and whole kingdoms on. I think, anyway. And if GNU/Linux is going to get, or continue to be the massive whirlwind of potency that it is, it would really benifit from whole family involvement from cradle to grave, both genders, etc. It shoudn't be summer camp, it should be everywhere! but...it must start somewhere.
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some greif, not all greif.
_E greif | corporations --> greif
hold on there.
1) Monopolies create market inefficiencies
2) corporate power structures are evil Just because corporations are the cause of grief does not automatically make them some sort of scapegoat unworthy of attention. There are a lot of occurances that are unpleasant in this world, rainstorms, for example, happen sometimes, and for some are benificial, for others, they are harmful[ie tornados,etc] we must deal with them, as rational beings interacting with our environment. Sometimes that might mean revolution, sometimes that means just dealing with it.
great post btw.
This not only ignores the problem, but makes it worse!!
This summer, I found myself in a public shower stall, in the middle-of-nowhere-saskatchewan, where both males and females, completely accepting and used to eachothers presence, were set about their trying to cleanse themselves with what went for water around those parts. After that "hrm..that's odd" moment, i resumed my trek to the crapper but the point is the rules are changing; how women and men interact is becoming more sane as the years roll on, and I can tell you right now that segregation is not the final solution. besides that some people are just assholes, and women and men both have to deal with them.
then again i've been up for too damn long and i'm just trying to stay awake by posting drivel on slashdot, so who knows
After about the age of 3 or 4 the trends have allready been set and it will be a battle getting women interested into deckery or linux. A lot of superficial mental tokens of personal identification are reinforced and given to children before they get into grade 5 or so. By then it's allready too late. Complaints that engineering/CS fields are underrepresented by women are so because society at large treats women like property, stupid and unthinking, and expects them to act that way, at a very young age. Instead of becoming doctors they are taught to attempt to marry doctors.
And believe me, the marketing departments of large corporations everywhere, expanding their influences younger isn't going to make things any better. There's fashion clothing stores with pseudosoftcore advertisements in public shopping malls for *children*! I realize that the next generation has got to try to out-do this one, but holy cow, using children as sexual objects of desire for mass marketing purposes? this is going to mentally retard the next generation, specifically women who are the targets for the majority of these marketing ploys.
Why think when you can watch television, huh? and THAT is why you won't see quite as many women in the field.