Actually - in many of the areas along the Gulf you will see that private charity (Baptists, Red Cross, various church/goodwill groups etc) were in the disaster area WELL before the government was!
This is a pillar of the free market/libertarian ideal. People cannot depend on the government to help them, and most, not all but most, of the time it should not be the place of the government to provide support and assistance.
Persoanlly I think that the government did have a duty here and there was obviously a breakdown in the system.
However, in this situation, and many others, it has shown over and over again that people CANNOT depend on the government and SHOULD not.
Free markets, individual freedoms, limited government, and personal responsibility are the most reliable courses of action.
Actually - in many of the areas along the Gulf you will see that private charity (Baptists, Red Cross, various church/goodwill groups etc) were in the disaster area WELL before the government was!
This is a pillar of the free market/libertarian ideal. People cannot depend on the government to help them, and most, not all but most, of the time it should not be the place of the government to provide support and assistance.
Persoanlly I think that the government did have a duty here and there was obviously a breakdown in the system.
However, in this situation, and many others, it has shown over and over again that people CANNOT depend on the government and SHOULD not.
Free markets, individual freedoms, limited government, and personal responsibility are the most reliable courses of action.
I was unaware that the police were preventing people from leaving at gunpoint. I can imagine the police looting for food and water only just like everyone else; I think that is acceptable. I can also understand their efforts to rally everyone in one area but even that might be not such a great idea.
Are you suggesting some sort of larger unknown to us reason of why this is? A conspiracy perhaps? Do you think that there is a specific cause for why there is very little, if any, traffic in and out including the Feds?
Or do you think that it is simply due to lack of orginazation, coordination, and communication? In otherwords command and control.
Well, I think that ALL resources should be used no matter what EVEN if that means abandoning Iraq; they are close to being stable anyway. I am sure it would have very negative consequences however to me and all of my fellow citizens, I would venture to say that, American civilians should take a higher priority than Iraqi civilians.
Besides, there are tens of thousands of military personell left stateside or other areas of non-conflict that could be deployed.
Also we can make airdrops with planes, not just helicopters.
Personally I think this is a command and control problem, and not as much of a resource problem.
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the current situation and a severe leadership AND communication void exists. This scenerio is NOT being managed in the right way and once this is over I want to see several independent and congressional studies as to what the breakdown was.
As of noon, the media had more information about happinings inside the city than the FEMA director did! He didn't even know about the situation near the convention center until the media told him. It appears the media is closer and better informed of this situation than is the government. The CIA often uses the media as secondary source of intelligence. Most of the time I would disagree, but in this instance I would suggest that the authorities follow that lead and begin to pay attention to the media outlets as it appears they are able to get information in and out.
DISCLAIMER: I realize I am not in charge and being a Monday morning/arm chair quarterback is not accomplishing anything but I feel the need to share my thoughts and vent nonetheless.
Feel free to post your input/comments. If you disagree with me that is fine but please be polite about it or I won't respond to your post
Are you kidding? I think the proper phrase should read "there IS STILL a huge failure by government"
I blame everyone from the mayor, county chairs, governer of LA, FEMA, and Bush Admin. That group includes both Dems and Reps. I am not biased here; I think all of their heads should roll once this thing is over.
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the current situation and a severe leadership AND communication void exists. This scenerio is NOT being managed in the right way and once this is over I want to see several independent and congressional studies as to what the breakdown was.
As of noon, the media had more information about happinings inside the city than the FEMA director did! He didn't even know about the situation near the convention center until the media told him. It appears the media is closer and better informed of this situation than is the government. The CIA often uses the media as secondary source of intelligence. Most of the time I would disagree, but in this instance I would suggest that the authorities follow that lead and begin to pay attention to the media outlets as it appears they are able to get information in and out.
DISCLAIMER: I realize I am not in charge and being a Monday morning/arm chair quarterback is not accomplishing anything but I feel the need to share my thoughts and vent nonetheless.
Feel free to post your input/comments. If you disagree with me that is fine but please be polite about it or I won't respond to your post.
THIS IS ANARCHY in the city! NOTHING LESS. ANARCHY ANARCHY ANARCHY!
According to http://www.m-w.com/ Anarachy: 1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
Libertarianism involves a civilized society. I am sure you can Google to find lots of books and essays on the subject. But a few requirements for libertarianism: - LIMITED government (not non-existant) - free markets - personal responsibility - individual freedoms
The main philosophy behind libertarianism is 'your rights go so far until they impede on other people's rights"
DO NOT spread misinformation like this; it is iresponsible, and ignorant!
DirectNIC.com,
a registrar and host which is based in New Orleans, evacuated the majority of
their personnel. The skeleton staff that remained spent a great deal of effort
battling broken windows, incoming water, and flying debris, from their high-rise
office and data center. Their hosting and registration services remained online
and worked flawlessly however they are currently running on a back-up diesel generator.
From their website "Please
understand that with the aforementioned power outage, and the fact that travelling
to and from our offices (on the 11th floor) is somewhat restricted, responses
to customer support issues might take a little longer than normal to be addressed...You've
heard of 'bullet-proof hosting'? directNIC.com is now proudly able to prove that
their services are literally 'hurricane-proof'."
Their blog
and photos of this event were
featured on CNN.
Oh I agree that a lot could've been done to prevent some of the specifics of this situation - coastal build up, flood zone development, putting half million people below sea level in a bowl.
In fact I dont think they should allow residences in the New Orleans area from this point further. As our current technology stands, there is NOTHING we can do to prevent New Orleans from flooding in the future. Thus will most insurance companies will probably not reinsure inside the city, it would be foolish to allow residential redevelopment in these parrishes.
This has been an example of people attempting to tweak the natural geological, hydrological, and ecological systems to fit their needs, but failing miserably. So yes in that regard yes I agree people, in part, are guilty of contributing to the increasing scope of this disaster. That is fact.
What is NOT fact is that "global warming" caused this hurricane or that global warming is a man-made phenomenon. Many well-respected scientists would say that global warming doesn't exist at all. It is being debated and tested and are only hypotheses. As a trend temperatures might be rising, but we don't fully understand all of the cyclic changes in climatology.
When people tout "global warming" as fact it shows their ignorance.
That's why you need to go into business for yourself. It is the only way to build wealth other than being a professional and heavy investing.
In India there are 2 classes of commoners: The low class and the merchants.
Why do you think so many east Indians own 7-11's in this country? None of them would dare work a wage job trading time for money because it doesn't lead anywhere except to a lifestyle living from paycheck to paycheck.
That's what America is about- the opportunity to start your own business! If you don't like how things are working out for you, you can change them. Yes it invovles risk but success is 10% intelligence and 90% effort.
Congrats on moving out of LA, BTW! That is a good start.
What are they going to do with the water inside the city?
It is filled with chemicals, gas, corpses, disease, you name it.. Dumping it into the lake or into the ocean right on down the Mississippi doesn't sound like a great idea but what else are they going to do with it?
Filtering it would take WAY too long and cost too much money. It looks to me that in this case they are going to have to make a choice between money, lives, the city and the environment.
Given that there is NOTHING our current technology can do to stop this from happening again, I would be VERY suprised if ANYONE could get insurance inside this city ever again.
I would love to read a risk-based analysis of this situation and what the predictions of the future are.
Also the government would not be wise to allow people to rebuild in the same areas inside the city. If the city doesn't go bankerupt after this I'll be suprised. Therefore, the most logical policy for the government would be to not authorize any new development or zoning inside the "flood bowl".
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Actually - in many of the areas along the Gulf you will see that private charity (Baptists, Red Cross, various church /goodwill groups etc) were in the disaster area WELL before the government was!
This is a pillar of the free market/libertarian ideal. People cannot depend on the government to help them, and most, not all but most, of the time it should not be the place of the government to provide support and assistance.
Persoanlly I think that the government did have a duty here and there was obviously a breakdown in the system.
However, in this situation, and many others, it has shown over and over again that people CANNOT depend on the government and SHOULD not.
Free markets, individual freedoms, limited government, and personal responsibility are the most reliable courses of action.
Actually - in many of the areas along the Gulf you will see that private charity (Baptists, Red Cross, various church /goodwill groups etc) were in the disaster area WELL before the government was!
This is a pillar of the free market/libertarian ideal. People cannot depend on the government to help them, and most, not all but most, of the time it should not be the place of the government to provide support and assistance.
Persoanlly I think that the government did have a duty here and there was obviously a breakdown in the system.
However, in this situation, and many others, it has shown over and over again that people CANNOT depend on the government and SHOULD not.
Free markets, individual freedoms, limited government, and personal responsibility are the most reliable courses of action.
I appreciate your comments and insight.
I was unaware that the police were preventing people from leaving at gunpoint. I can imagine the police looting for food and water only just like everyone else; I think that is acceptable. I can also understand their efforts to rally everyone in one area but even that might be not such a great idea.
Are you suggesting some sort of larger unknown to us reason of why this is? A conspiracy perhaps? Do you think that there is a specific cause for why there is very little, if any, traffic in and out including the Feds?
Or do you think that it is simply due to lack of orginazation, coordination, and communication? In otherwords command and control.
I am interested in your thoughts.
Well, I think that ALL resources should be used no matter what EVEN if that means abandoning Iraq; they are close to being stable anyway. I am sure it would have very negative consequences however to me and all of my fellow citizens, I would venture to say that, American civilians should take a higher priority than Iraqi civilians.
Besides, there are tens of thousands of military personell left stateside or other areas of non-conflict that could be deployed.
Also we can make airdrops with planes, not just helicopters.
Personally I think this is a command and control problem, and not as much of a resource problem.
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
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2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
You can read more of my posting here:
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=160857&cid=13
If I were in charge here is what I would do:
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the current situation and a severe leadership AND communication void exists. This scenerio is NOT being managed in the right way and once this is over I want to see several independent and congressional studies as to what the breakdown was.
As of noon, the media had more information about happinings inside the city than the FEMA director did! He didn't even know about the situation near the convention center until the media told him. It appears the media is closer and better informed of this situation than is the government. The CIA often uses the media as secondary source of intelligence. Most of the time I would disagree, but in this instance I would suggest that the authorities follow that lead and begin to pay attention to the media outlets as it appears they are able to get information in and out.
DISCLAIMER:
I realize I am not in charge and being a Monday morning/arm chair quarterback is not accomplishing anything but I feel the need to share my thoughts and vent nonetheless.
Feel free to post your input/comments. If you disagree with me that is fine but please be polite about it or I won't respond to your post
I critisize the media all the time...
But in this specific instance I think they are actually HELPING the situation and I'm not afraid to admit it!
It figures that someone who posts as an AC in this manner has nothing useful, important, or even intelligent to say.
"there was a huge failure by government..."
Are you kidding? I think the proper phrase should read "there IS STILL a huge failure by government"
I blame everyone from the mayor, county chairs, governer of LA, FEMA, and Bush Admin. That group includes both Dems and Reps. I am not biased here; I think all of their heads should roll once this thing is over.
Wired has an article about DirectNIC and their sister company here:? tw=wn_tophead_1
http://wired.com/news/planet/0,2782,68725,00.html
If I were in charge here is what I would do:
1) Declare marshall law; put the military in charge
2) Drop paratroopers to secure sites for coming supply drops
3) Do air drops of food and medical supplies (water too)
4) Send in the SEALS with their dingy boats to begin to rescue people/pick off snipers/gangs
5) Send in forward air controllers and ham radio operators- by parachute if needed. I would include military medics as well.
6) Commondere every single bus in the state of Texas, LA, MS, AL and AR and move into the city heavily fortified by military support
7) Use 2 aircraft carriers, park them as close to the city as possible. AC#1 gets used as military command and HQ. AC#2 is used to put evacuaees aboard for food/shelter. If AC#2 isn't available commondere a cruise ship and use it.
Asking for British, Canadian, and Mexican forces to lend a hand is a good idea as well. This might mean major withdrawl from Iraq which would worsen the situation over there but free up resources here. However when faced with helping fellow Americans or keeping the stability of a foreign country (which is close to being on its own feet anyway) I would personally choose American lives over Iraqis.
Drastic times call for drastic measures.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE for the current situation and a severe leadership AND communication void exists. This scenerio is NOT being managed in the right way and once this is over I want to see several independent and congressional studies as to what the breakdown was.
As of noon, the media had more information about happinings inside the city than the FEMA director did! He didn't even know about the situation near the convention center until the media told him. It appears the media is closer and better informed of this situation than is the government. The CIA often uses the media as secondary source of intelligence. Most of the time I would disagree, but in this instance I would suggest that the authorities follow that lead and begin to pay attention to the media outlets as it appears they are able to get information in and out.
DISCLAIMER:
I realize I am not in charge and being a Monday morning/arm chair quarterback is not accomplishing anything but I feel the need to share my thoughts and vent nonetheless.
Feel free to post your input/comments. If you disagree with me that is fine but please be polite about it or I won't respond to your post.
This is NOT libertarianism!
THIS IS ANARCHY in the city! NOTHING LESS.
ANARCHY ANARCHY ANARCHY!
According to http://www.m-w.com/ Anarachy:
1 a : absence of government b : a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
Libertarianism involves a civilized society. I am sure you can Google to find lots of books and essays on the subject. But a few requirements for libertarianism:
- LIMITED government (not non-existant)
- free markets
- personal responsibility
- individual freedoms
The main philosophy behind libertarianism is 'your rights go so far until they impede on other people's rights"
DO NOT spread misinformation like this; it is iresponsible, and ignorant!
New Orleanes Registrar vs. Katrina.
DirectNIC.com, a registrar and host which is based in New Orleans, evacuated the majority of their personnel. The skeleton staff that remained spent a great deal of effort battling broken windows, incoming water, and flying debris, from their high-rise office and data center. Their hosting and registration services remained online and worked flawlessly however they are currently running on a back-up diesel generator. From their website "Please understand that with the aforementioned power outage, and the fact that travelling to and from our offices (on the 11th floor) is somewhat restricted, responses to customer support issues might take a little longer than normal to be addressed...You've heard of 'bullet-proof hosting'? directNIC.com is now proudly able to prove that their services are literally 'hurricane-proof'."
Their blog and photos of this event were featured on CNN.
I had submitted this almost 36 hours ago.I actually heard a reporter refer to this water in the city as "toxic gumbo"
Sounds appetizing?
Oh I agree that a lot could've been done to prevent some of the specifics of this situation - coastal build up, flood zone development, putting half million people below sea level in a bowl.
In fact I dont think they should allow residences in the New Orleans area from this point further. As our current technology stands, there is NOTHING we can do to prevent New Orleans from flooding in the future. Thus will most insurance companies will probably not reinsure inside the city, it would be foolish to allow residential redevelopment in these parrishes.
This has been an example of people attempting to tweak the natural geological, hydrological, and ecological systems to fit their needs, but failing miserably. So yes in that regard yes I agree people, in part, are guilty of contributing to the increasing scope of this disaster. That is fact.
What is NOT fact is that "global warming" caused this hurricane or that global warming is a man-made phenomenon. Many well-respected scientists would say that global warming doesn't exist at all. It is being debated and tested and are only hypotheses. As a trend temperatures might be rising, but we don't fully understand all of the cyclic changes in climatology.
When people tout "global warming" as fact it shows their ignorance.
That's why you need to go into business for yourself. It is the only way to build wealth other than being a professional and heavy investing.
In India there are 2 classes of commoners: The low class and the merchants.
Why do you think so many east Indians own 7-11's in this country? None of them would dare work a wage job trading time for money because it doesn't lead anywhere except to a lifestyle living from paycheck to paycheck.
That's what America is about- the opportunity to start your own business! If you don't like how things are working out for you, you can change them. Yes it invovles risk but success is 10% intelligence and 90% effort.
Congrats on moving out of LA, BTW! That is a good start.
Hate to break it to ya there, but good luck proving that this was caused by global warming due to some act of man.
If you honestly believe that man helped cause this then you need to go back to 5th grade science and re-examine the scientific method.
I am not saying it isn't possible, but it isn't proven fact either so please don't go touting it like it is.
Abandon the city? Don't rebuild? Don't drain it?
;-(
Is it just me or does this sound like the movie 'Escape from L.A."
You said "damn city" ha ha ha!
New Orleans is a cesspool of scum, filth, disease, and rotting corpses....then the hurricane blew in. ;-)
(sorry, I couldn't resist..Lord I apologize, please forgive me and be with the starving pygmies down in New Guniea)
What are they going to do with the water inside the city?
It is filled with chemicals, gas, corpses, disease, you name it.. Dumping it into the lake or into the ocean right on down the Mississippi doesn't sound like a great idea but what else are they going to do with it?
Filtering it would take WAY too long and cost too much money. It looks to me that in this case they are going to have to make a choice between money, lives, the city and the environment.
Given that there is NOTHING our current technology can do to stop this from happening again, I would be VERY suprised if ANYONE could get insurance inside this city ever again.
I would love to read a risk-based analysis of this situation and what the predictions of the future are.
Also the government would not be wise to allow people to rebuild in the same areas inside the city. If the city doesn't go bankerupt after this I'll be suprised. Therefore, the most logical policy for the government would be to not authorize any new development or zoning inside the "flood bowl".
New Orleans is a cesspool of scum, filth, disease, and rotting corpses....then the hurricane blew in. ;-)
(sorry, I couldn't resist..Lord I apologize, please forgive me and be with the starving pygmies down in New Guniea)
First of all, the governer(s) should've declared marshall law in these areas.
;-)
Then they could've commendered these trains BY FORCE if needed. That would've been a very simple solution to that problem.
Here is a bad joke.
What do you call Amtrak getting lifted off the tracks into the air by a hurricane? Valujet
More seriously now...
About the current situation - how are they going to evac 30,000 people from the Superdome?
- There are no roads in.
- You cannot get a boat much larger than '15 person' capacity in the vicinity
- Helicopters only hold 5-7 people
Any ideas?