That's assuming that other lifeforms perceives the passage of time the same and lives a similar lifespan. Without any frame of reference other than humans on earth we have no way to know. It's entirely possible that other life could live millions of years and perceive a hundred years as a day.
What's the lifespan of a single-celled organism?
It's entirely possible that "aging" doesn't exist for species outside our solar system (if such aliens exist). That said why send individuals at all if they're not going to stop? And if you're not sending individuals why send something so large?
They may *today*. They may not have when this was launched. My 100 year old grandmother remembered when the first car came to her town. In her lifetime people went from literal horsepower to walking on the moon. Pretty sure we are going to one day think "I remember when..." in reference to some technology about which we currently have no clue.
My point is, if you can launch something the size of Oumuamua, you're likely to have the technology to send something smaller. Something smaller would be less likely to have collisions with other objects, and use much less energy to launch at such speeds.
How about it came in through a worm hole, natural or artificially made, just outside our solar system?
That would be pure speculative science fiction at the moment. There is no evidence that such a thing as a worm hole that can provide a passageway of matter over distance even exists, or COULD exist. Wormholes like that are purely fiction at the moment and anything that could transmit something like Oumuamua through it aren't even in the speculative sciences.
So some civilization created a probe that can last in interstellar space for tens of thousands of years? Wow. I would like to meet them. Do they make cars?
Yes, but the cars were all built so long ago they still come equipped with 8-track players.
Ooops. My mistake. 56,000 km/h. That is.000051887748 the speed of light, instead of.00000389158 the speed of light. My mistake. Must be the aliens.
I'm not siding with those that say this was aliens... but from 56,000 kmh to 10,800,000 kmh is only a 190x increase. I'm sure at some point in human future history we will get to 10,800,000 kmh if the species lasts long enough.
However- for the record, I am fully in the "this almost certainly wasn't aliens" camp.
Why even launch something that big? If you have the technology to send something that big though? If you have the technology to launch something that big; you probably have the technology to build a probe the size of a port-a-potty with all the sensors you could ever need. If it's aliens, why didn't they just launch a port-a-potty?
Relying on the hope for nostalgia from a 20 year old dumb phone to market a (supposedly) cutting edge modern smartphone should result in some marketing idiot losing their job.
It worked. It is being talked about here and many other forums/news sites. Marketing-wise it is already a success.
I make it a policy to never judge before seeing a device.
Fair enough...
And $1500? It better be an AMAZING device to justify that price point.
I can't think of any single (realistic) feature that will make a phone be worth that price. I can't think of any combination of realistic features that will make a phone be worth that price.
This phone better be something out of Science Fiction.
Have Aliens Found Us? Maybe, but if they have Oumuamua has got nothing to do with them in all possibility.
Any species capable of sending Oumuamua towards us would almost certainly have the means to send a more efficient craft towards us. Unless they were trying to hide from our detection; and if they were trying to hide from our detection they would have had a better means of hiding from us.
In the Senate you need at least tacit support for 60 senators, or you cannot pass a bill (filibuster). Unless you want to invoke the nuclear option for all votes, and make it majority only?
Unless you're trying to override the Presidential veto which requires 2/3rds in both houses. Ultimately, I suspect this is how this will eventually end. Trump doesn't want to lose face by backing down and neither do the Democrats. I think the Republicans in the two houses will eventually cave because they know that backing the President in this will be bad for their re-election hopes.
2/3rds to override veto is probably the best hope for this ending. (unless Trump does do the "national emergency" thing to save face- signs bill and tries to get money from elsewhere) Either way, looks unlikely the wall will be built since the courts would probably end up blocking Trump.
If the wall isn't going to be built anyway, Republicans in the house switching sides on this issue would make common sense as they would then be seen as the heroes by the population.
Why is it the rich and powerful can come up with more crap to minimize and degrade the value of the middle class and poor? And also do it with impunity! Who the hell makes up this garbage?
We have at least 4000 years of history as a blueprint on how they can get away with it. Human's natural instinct is to take advange of anyone that they can take advantage of. Humans suck.
They all deny ever supporting a wall- and even Pence had to backtrack and say that "they implied it, and that's what Trump was getting at".
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some Democrats had some stupid ideas- they've had many stupid ideas over the years- that doesn't make building a wall right.
Palestinian = person who lives in the historical area called Palestine (Roman name). Israel is there. Israelis are Palestinians, too...
Most Israeli's are genetically European. Genetic testing shows that the Palestinians are much more closely related to the biblical Jews than the mostly European Israelis.
Sen. Warren is closer to being a Native American than most Israelis are to being Native Palestinian.
Benjamin Netanyahu disagrees with you. He has come out agreeing that walls do indeed work and worked great for Israel.
In Israels' case it is a small wall heavily manned by thousands of troops ordered to shoot on sight any one who looks like their family is native to the Middle East. It's not exactly apples to oranges.
You realise that about every presidency since the 1980s has had Governement Shutdowns in the US right ?
This is not exactly a "Trump" thing. If the news is telling you that this is exclusive to Trump, you are watching Fake News from people with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Government has been shutdown more days under him than anyone else. This is his third shutdown and he's only half way through his 4 year siege of America.
Situation reminds last years of fight between Gorbachev and Yeltsin that led to demise of USSR. Is Trump the new Yeltsin ?
I think Trump wants us to be more like China than Russia. Some capitalistic tendencies but with a all-powerful government that can do whatever it wants regardless of "human rights".
Pence lies frequently. Recent example was pence trying to explain that Trump didn't lie when Trump claimed all living presidents supported him building the wall. Pence is an idiot who calls his wife mother, is afraid to sit in a room with women and lies flagerently. That lie didn't even pass the laugh test.
Pence is caught between a rock and a hard place. It is political suicide to side with Trump and be seen as one of the "crazies" in the party; at the same time, he's not allowed to follow traditional Republican values either because Trump has a stranglehold on the party at the moment.
I imagine Pence would do a lot less lying if he wasn't held hostage by Trump.
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Ancient Sumerians believed their gods were aliens. https://youtu.be/L3ogy-pqvKQ
Modern day Scientologists do too (no surprise there since the religion was created as a get-rich-quick scheme by a Science Fiction author).
One could possibly interpret God as being an "alien" in the Mormon branch of Christianity too- although I don't think Mormons like that analogy.
That's assuming that other lifeforms perceives the passage of time the same and lives a similar lifespan. Without any frame of reference other than humans on earth we have no way to know. It's entirely possible that other life could live millions of years and perceive a hundred years as a day.
What's the lifespan of a single-celled organism?
It's entirely possible that "aging" doesn't exist for species outside our solar system (if such aliens exist). That said why send individuals at all if they're not going to stop? And if you're not sending individuals why send something so large?
They may *today*. They may not have when this was launched. My 100 year old grandmother remembered when the first car came to her town. In her lifetime people went from literal horsepower to walking on the moon. Pretty sure we are going to one day think "I remember when..." in reference to some technology about which we currently have no clue.
My point is, if you can launch something the size of Oumuamua, you're likely to have the technology to send something smaller. Something smaller would be less likely to have collisions with other objects, and use much less energy to launch at such speeds.
How about it came in through a worm hole, natural or artificially made, just outside our solar system?
That would be pure speculative science fiction at the moment. There is no evidence that such a thing as a worm hole that can provide a passageway of matter over distance even exists, or COULD exist. Wormholes like that are purely fiction at the moment and anything that could transmit something like Oumuamua through it aren't even in the speculative sciences.
So some civilization created a probe that can last in interstellar space for tens of thousands of years? Wow. I would like to meet them. Do they make cars?
Yes, but the cars were all built so long ago they still come equipped with 8-track players.
Ooops. My mistake. 56,000 km/h. That is .000051887748 the speed of light, instead of .00000389158 the speed of light. My mistake. Must be the aliens.
I'm not siding with those that say this was aliens... but from 56,000 kmh to 10,800,000 kmh is only a 190x increase. I'm sure at some point in human future history we will get to 10,800,000 kmh if the species lasts long enough.
However- for the record, I am fully in the "this almost certainly wasn't aliens" camp.
Why even launch something that big? If you have the technology to send something that big though? If you have the technology to launch something that big; you probably have the technology to build a probe the size of a port-a-potty with all the sensors you could ever need. If it's aliens, why didn't they just launch a port-a-potty?
Relying on the hope for nostalgia from a 20 year old dumb phone to market a (supposedly) cutting edge modern smartphone should result in some marketing idiot losing their job.
It worked. It is being talked about here and many other forums/news sites. Marketing-wise it is already a success.
I make it a policy to never judge before seeing a device.
Fair enough...
And $1500? It better be an AMAZING device to justify that price point.
I can't think of any single (realistic) feature that will make a phone be worth that price. I can't think of any combination of realistic features that will make a phone be worth that price.
This phone better be something out of Science Fiction.
That is more than my monthly total mortgage payment.
You can probably get a mail-order bride now for less than the price of a Mobile Phone... probably last longer too.
Have Aliens Found Us? Maybe, but if they have Oumuamua has got nothing to do with them in all possibility.
Any species capable of sending Oumuamua towards us would almost certainly have the means to send a more efficient craft towards us. Unless they were trying to hide from our detection; and if they were trying to hide from our detection they would have had a better means of hiding from us.
In the Senate you need at least tacit support for 60 senators, or you cannot pass a bill (filibuster). Unless you want to invoke the nuclear option for all votes, and make it majority only?
Unless you're trying to override the Presidential veto which requires 2/3rds in both houses. Ultimately, I suspect this is how this will eventually end. Trump doesn't want to lose face by backing down and neither do the Democrats. I think the Republicans in the two houses will eventually cave because they know that backing the President in this will be bad for their re-election hopes.
2/3rds to override veto is probably the best hope for this ending. (unless Trump does do the "national emergency" thing to save face- signs bill and tries to get money from elsewhere) Either way, looks unlikely the wall will be built since the courts would probably end up blocking Trump.
If the wall isn't going to be built anyway, Republicans in the house switching sides on this issue would make common sense as they would then be seen as the heroes by the population.
lmao, dumbass, he just gave you a link from FoxNews.
CBP is the one asking for a wall. A wall funded by Democrats in 2006, again in 2013 with bi-partisan support.
If it was already funded twice, problem solved. No need to fund it again, we already have a wall apparently.
But a big expensive wall does not equate to border control. Trump doesn't care about border control, he just wants his big wall.
Indeed, it's a vanity project. He might as well be spending government money to build a statue of himself alongside Lady Liberty.
I propose that AI be thrown in a walled garden, and let's make Apple pay for it.
Why is it the rich and powerful can come up with more crap to minimize and degrade the value of the middle class and poor? And also do it with impunity! Who the hell makes up this garbage?
We have at least 4000 years of history as a blueprint on how they can get away with it. Human's natural instinct is to take advange of anyone that they can take advantage of. Humans suck.
They all deny ever supporting a wall- and even Pence had to backtrack and say that "they implied it, and that's what Trump was getting at".
That said, it wouldn't surprise me if some Democrats had some stupid ideas- they've had many stupid ideas over the years- that doesn't make building a wall right.
CBP, the guys actually doing the Border enforcement, disagree.
You link doesn't mention anything about the smart wall- so how can you use that as a way to "disagree"?
Trump promised a wall. He is trying to deliver, albeit late I'll grant.
Democrats have supported walls before,
Doesn't surprise me, Trump doesn't have a monopoly on bad ideas and stupidity. I've heard plenty of idiotic ideas from both main parties.
You sound like Trump, changing history to suit yourself once you're been shown to be wrong.
Palestinian = person who lives in the historical area called Palestine (Roman name). Israel is there. Israelis are Palestinians, too...
Most Israeli's are genetically European. Genetic testing shows that the Palestinians are much more closely related to the biblical Jews than the mostly European Israelis.
Sen. Warren is closer to being a Native American than most Israelis are to being Native Palestinian.
Benjamin Netanyahu disagrees with you. He has come out agreeing that walls do indeed work and worked great for Israel.
In Israels' case it is a small wall heavily manned by thousands of troops ordered to shoot on sight any one who looks like their family is native to the Middle East. It's not exactly apples to oranges.
You realise that about every presidency since the 1980s has had Governement Shutdowns in the US right ?
This is not exactly a "Trump" thing. If the news is telling you that this is exclusive to Trump, you are watching Fake News from people with Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Government has been shutdown more days under him than anyone else. This is his third shutdown and he's only half way through his 4 year siege of America.
Situation reminds last years of fight between Gorbachev and Yeltsin that led to demise of USSR. Is Trump the new Yeltsin ?
I think Trump wants us to be more like China than Russia. Some capitalistic tendencies but with a all-powerful government that can do whatever it wants regardless of "human rights".
Trump is the next Winnie The Pooh.
Pence lies frequently. Recent example was pence trying to explain that Trump didn't lie when Trump claimed all living presidents supported him building the wall. Pence is an idiot who calls his wife mother, is afraid to sit in a room with women and lies flagerently. That lie didn't even pass the laugh test.
Pence is caught between a rock and a hard place. It is political suicide to side with Trump and be seen as one of the "crazies" in the party; at the same time, he's not allowed to follow traditional Republican values either because Trump has a stranglehold on the party at the moment.
I imagine Pence would do a lot less lying if he wasn't held hostage by Trump.