"Don't tell me what to do !" "I do what I want !" "You're only trying to stop us from having fun !" "Passports are tools of oppression !"
Grow the fuck up, stupid libertarian retards. It's called "civilization". The alternatives are tribalism, barbarism and savagery. Take your pick.
And get off my fucking lawn.
You can have civilization without passports though. Passports aren't necessary to run a nation state. The EU hasn't collapsed without requiring people to show passports at the border. Britain left- but that's only because Britain is en route to becoming the rednecks of Europe with people like Farage and Johnson leading the trailers.
Class Action time. Give me money or give me... well, I don't care- $100million lawsuit would probably result in me getting 20 cents out of it. Actually- it would result in a fictitious Turkmenistani Harvard grad getting 20 cents out of it.
As someone who wrestles harvard educated bears in Turkmenistan for a living i find your post offensive! And are you telling me your real name isn't McWeany? Are you even Scottish?
I was educated at Harvard. The bears I wrestled were only educated at Yale.
Google + never had hundreds of thousands of users.
If you had any google account they created a blank Google + account for you. Rather than leave mine blank I went ahead and filled it with all sorts of fake information and then never returned. I think on mine I went to Harvard, competitively wrestle bears for a living, and live in Turkmenistan. Or something like that- and have some obviously fake name.
I never miss an opportunity to provide fake data as noise to any company that tries to get information on me.
I've EXPERIENCED health care in multiple countries I have lived. People like to complain about the NHS, but it is far superior to the US system. US: twice the cost. Lowest life expectancy in the developed world.
What happens in countries like the US is people skip routine exams or what they think is minor illnesses because it is so expensive. I pay over a thousand a month for insurance for my family- and still have to pay $300+ for a well visit if I want to get an annual physical.
Complain all you want about a health care system- it's worse in the US without one where people routinely skip going to the doctor when they should go (even if they have insurance) because it is too expensive. The crappiest of national healthcare systems is better than the US.
No one cares about a blackout too much...... until their cellphone batteries die. If they can get power back on before the cellphone batteries die no one will mind.
That "Russian hackers" allegedly can change election results with impunity from the US to Gibraltar, or that the alleged "victims" of such yuuge machinations can fight back?
The problem of the West is not "assertive Russia", the problem of the West is its weakening, sick democracy, which fell victim of its oligarchies and which is so impotent, that even with the technologies at its fingertips cannot solve elementary problems like decent education and healthcare for everyone.
All this talk of "external enemies" is to cover up the failures at home.
Which, incidentally, is the same thing Putin's doing.
Healthcare for everyone was solved 50 years ago. Most Western countries enjoy a functioning health care that ensures wealth is not required to be properly looked after. The US is the only exception.
Yeah, that's the only thing they'll turn off with that. Sure. Besides, Moscow will probably be back on much faster than any western country. You know they're going to turn our electricity off when you try to turn off theirs, don't you?
I think there is a name for that condition called "MAD" or
Mutually assured darkness.
One side taking out the electricity to the other will meet a response meaning both sides are left fumbling around in the darkness after sun down.
How the fuck would the UK be within its rights to assassinate a head of state?
That's a difficult question. Officially they don't. Countries don't have the rights to assassinate heads of rival states...... but then, what if that country didn't want that leader and he was a tyrant... well... probably still don't have the right, but fewer people will raise an eyebrow if you do it. Putin seems to have support in Russia so you can't apply that.
Now, you could argue the Russian population are ill-informed because of propaganda and state run media that deliberately lies... Maybe just like shagging a drunk bird is considered rape because she can't give consent- voting for Putin when not knowning the facts is not really consent too... I don't know... I want Putin gone but I don't think anyone has the right to assassinate him right now.
The right to ignore blaring crap is manifest. I thank their inventors and truly and sincerely hope they make millions for their creativity.
This invention is the bane of marketers everywhere, and I wish the inventors tremendous success. I will buy a pair as soon as they're on the market. Maybe two.
Seems like the kind of thing that would be a fad for a few months and then everyone laughs about how ridiculous and pointless it all was for years later. This has "as shown on TV" written all over it... the only problem is these glasses will block out that ad.
Maybe the laws of skulduggery have changed since I was a young whippersnapper, but isn't one of the most important aspects of a secret weapon for it to be secret?
UK doing what China and Russia have been doing: "bragging of a secret weapon". It's not secret once you tell everyone- and there is no strategic advantage in telling everyone... therefore... it's probably not real. Just like China's secret laser pistols and Russia's secret Nuclear weapons that can bypass western anti-missile technology.
If it were real, you don't tell people, because if you tell people they can work on solutions to stop it. If it is real- you keep it secret so you have a strategic advantage over the opposition.
1) It's friggin' hot in the South 6 months out of the year...
You'd be amazed how cool you stay when you have a steady breeze on you. It's why you can see not dead motorcyclists in full protection garb in the heat of summer.
I don't drive a motorcycle to answer with personal experience, but my next door neighbor does and he only rides it in winter- he complains about it being way too hot to ride most of the year... and you do see very few motorcycles here in summer... some brave it.
30 years is a minimum to clear all the other hurdles. Even if Waymo made them available tomorrow (and it won't)- it would still take 20 years before government would make them mandatory. You have to wait for costs to come down and for the majority of people to have them before you make them mandatory. If they came out tomorrow- because of costs they wouldn't make up the majority of new sales. The average age of cars on the road is now 10 years - which means a significant number are reaching 20 year on the road.
Government mandating all cars be self-driving... That won't happen for at LEAST 30 years. I don't know how long- but it simply couldn't happen in the next 30... we have to develop the car... bring prices down... and wait for the old cars to become a minority first.
How did you calculate 30 years? If you take into consideration exponential growth and previous examples of technology improving faster than predicted, you can't use intuition to predict the timeline for future tech.
In other words, I and people who have a history of predicting tech correctly, think that you are wrong.
One clear proof should be Waymo. Single accident would cause huge PR damage. Do you really think they want to test it how it goes without being absolutely sure that it works? So yes, seld driing cars in good driving conditions is here today. For bad conditions it might take more time, perhaps even a year or two.
10 years to get the technology to be a) I figure there are at least 10 years of development before the technology is ready for the masses. b) Average car on the road is 10 years old- so even when the technology is ready there will be a long transition before the majority of cars on the road are self driving. c) Government will give a long grace period for people with human driven cars that are late to the self-driven technology to switch over.
... Their idea: "Just ride bikes. If you live too far out, move in closer."...The snotty, "just ride bikes" suggestion sounds great, but in reality, it is pompous. There are many elderly people or people in wheelchairs that can't go and buy an Orbea Orca and magically be on their way.
In reality, I could ride my bike to the grocery store if just picking up a few items. I can't ride my bike to work, it would take too long (and I can't afford to move closer to work)... but there are a few other locations within a few dozen miles that I could probably use my bike for... but I won't.
Two reasons: 1) It's friggin' hot in the South 6 months out of the year... I'd arrive everywhere stinking awful. Not to mention, can you imagine all the dehydration deaths if many people did this? 2) It's not safe. I see more "white bicycle memorials" marking where cyclists are killed than I see actual bicycles on the road around here. People don't drive safely around cyclists here and there are no bike lanes. I know this would change as people got more experience around cyclists and such... but I wouldn't want to be cycling until it is the norm.
Sure, the FATALITY rate is roughly 1.25 per 100,000,000 miles in the US, but the ACCIDENT rate is around 600 per 100,000,000 miles.
And Waymo has been in accidents... but at least as of last year the only accidents they have been involved in they were not at fault in all but one... and that one, the human was driving at the time.
I don't worry much about the cars themselves, but about the potential for legislation mandating we have self-driving cars. If you are old enough, you'll recall all the arguments about motorcycle helmet laws. How motorcycle accidents without helmets overloaded ER rooms and cost the public a lot of money in medical care. There is a clear precedent for my fears, The argument is the same. Don't forget that driving is a privilege not a right.
Eventually it WILL be better for everyone that EVERYONE be mandated to have a self-driving car.
I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Probably not for at least another 30 years or more... but eventually yes, people won't drive themselves... and that's a good thing.
They have, the difference is these won't have a backup driver to take over.
It seems to me, that Waymo have the best tech and take the safety aspect very seriously, so I don't see any cause for alarm myself.
If Uber were doing this, then there would be cause for alarm. Regulation is needed, as although Waymo take safety seriously, some of there competitors may not.
I agree completely. As over-the-top safety conscious as Waymo has been taking baby steps all the way to release- if Waymo think they're ready I'm inclined to believe them... but like you, I wouldn't believe some of their competitors.
If Waymo are being premature with this and any harm comes to anyone; you can bet they will get their socks sued off them.
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Why oh why couldn't it be "Massive Shards of Ice Sticking Out of Uranus". :-P
I'm not fooled... I don't think that is Ice sticking out of Uranus.
"Passports are tools of oppression"
Really ?
"Don't tell me what to do !" "I do what I want !" "You're only trying to stop us from having fun !" "Passports are tools of oppression !"
Grow the fuck up, stupid libertarian retards. It's called "civilization". The alternatives are tribalism, barbarism and savagery. Take your pick.
And get off my fucking lawn.
You can have civilization without passports though. Passports aren't necessary to run a nation state. The EU hasn't collapsed without requiring people to show passports at the border. Britain left- but that's only because Britain is en route to becoming the rednecks of Europe with people like Farage and Johnson leading the trailers.
Class Action time. Give me money or give me... well, I don't care- $100million lawsuit would probably result in me getting 20 cents out of it. Actually- it would result in a fictitious Turkmenistani Harvard grad getting 20 cents out of it.
As someone who wrestles harvard educated bears in Turkmenistan for a living i find your post offensive! And are you telling me your real name isn't McWeany? Are you even Scottish?
I was educated at Harvard. The bears I wrestled were only educated at Yale.
Google + never had hundreds of thousands of users.
If you had any google account they created a blank Google + account for you. Rather than leave mine blank I went ahead and filled it with all sorts of fake information and then never returned. I think on mine I went to Harvard, competitively wrestle bears for a living, and live in Turkmenistan. Or something like that- and have some obviously fake name.
I never miss an opportunity to provide fake data as noise to any company that tries to get information on me.
The only surprise here is that they didn't already have the ability.
I've EXPERIENCED health care in multiple countries I have lived. People like to complain about the NHS, but it is far superior to the US system.
US: twice the cost. Lowest life expectancy in the developed world.
What happens in countries like the US is people skip routine exams or what they think is minor illnesses because it is so expensive. I pay over a thousand a month for insurance for my family- and still have to pay $300+ for a well visit if I want to get an annual physical.
Complain all you want about a health care system- it's worse in the US without one where people routinely skip going to the doctor when they should go (even if they have insurance) because it is too expensive. The crappiest of national healthcare systems is better than the US.
No one cares about a blackout too much... ... until their cellphone batteries die. If they can get power back on before the cellphone batteries die no one will mind.
That "Russian hackers" allegedly can change election results with impunity from the US to Gibraltar, or that the alleged "victims" of such yuuge machinations can fight back?
The problem of the West is not "assertive Russia", the problem of the West is its weakening, sick democracy, which fell victim of its oligarchies and which is so impotent, that even with the technologies at its fingertips cannot solve elementary problems like decent education and healthcare for everyone.
All this talk of "external enemies" is to cover up the failures at home.
Which, incidentally, is the same thing Putin's doing.
Healthcare for everyone was solved 50 years ago. Most Western countries enjoy a functioning health care that ensures wealth is not required to be properly looked after. The US is the only exception.
Yeah, that's the only thing they'll turn off with that. Sure. Besides, Moscow will probably be back on much faster than any western country. You know they're going to turn our electricity off when you try to turn off theirs, don't you?
I think there is a name for that condition called "MAD" or
Mutually assured darkness.
One side taking out the electricity to the other will meet a response meaning both sides are left fumbling around in the darkness after sun down.
How the fuck would the UK be within its rights to assassinate a head of state?
That's a difficult question. Officially they don't. Countries don't have the rights to assassinate heads of rival states... ... but then, what if that country didn't want that leader and he was a tyrant... well... probably still don't have the right, but fewer people will raise an eyebrow if you do it. Putin seems to have support in Russia so you can't apply that.
Now, you could argue the Russian population are ill-informed because of propaganda and state run media that deliberately lies... Maybe just like shagging a drunk bird is considered rape because she can't give consent- voting for Putin when not knowning the facts is not really consent too... I don't know... I want Putin gone but I don't think anyone has the right to assassinate him right now.
The right to ignore blaring crap is manifest. I thank their inventors and truly and sincerely hope they make millions for their creativity.
This invention is the bane of marketers everywhere, and I wish the inventors tremendous success. I will buy a pair as soon as they're on the market. Maybe two.
Seems like the kind of thing that would be a fad for a few months and then everyone laughs about how ridiculous and pointless it all was for years later. This has "as shown on TV" written all over it... the only problem is these glasses will block out that ad.
- Clap Off.
Maybe the laws of skulduggery have changed since I was a young whippersnapper, but isn't one of the most important aspects of a secret weapon for it to be secret?
UK doing what China and Russia have been doing: "bragging of a secret weapon". It's not secret once you tell everyone- and there is no strategic advantage in telling everyone... therefore... it's probably not real. Just like China's secret laser pistols and Russia's secret Nuclear weapons that can bypass western anti-missile technology.
If it were real, you don't tell people, because if you tell people they can work on solutions to stop it. If it is real- you keep it secret so you have a strategic advantage over the opposition.
Therefore- I call "FAKE" on this.
1) It's friggin' hot in the South 6 months out of the year...
You'd be amazed how cool you stay when you have a steady breeze on you. It's why you can see not dead motorcyclists in full protection garb in the heat of summer.
I don't drive a motorcycle to answer with personal experience, but my next door neighbor does and he only rides it in winter- he complains about it being way too hot to ride most of the year... and you do see very few motorcycles here in summer... some brave it.
30 years is a minimum to clear all the other hurdles. Even if Waymo made them available tomorrow (and it won't)- it would still take 20 years before government would make them mandatory. You have to wait for costs to come down and for the majority of people to have them before you make them mandatory. If they came out tomorrow- because of costs they wouldn't make up the majority of new sales. The average age of cars on the road is now 10 years - which means a significant number are reaching 20 year on the road.
Government mandating all cars be self-driving... That won't happen for at LEAST 30 years. I don't know how long- but it simply couldn't happen in the next 30... we have to develop the car... bring prices down... and wait for the old cars to become a minority first.
Remind me to avoid the Amazon Hospitals (tm) in the future....
If you're a member of Amazon Prime you will be guaranteed to be delivered to the afterlife in 2 days or less.
Should say 10 years to get the technology to be ready for mass-consumer.
How did you calculate 30 years? If you take into consideration exponential growth and previous examples of technology improving faster than predicted, you can't use intuition to predict the timeline for future tech.
In other words, I and people who have a history of predicting tech correctly, think that you are wrong.
One clear proof should be Waymo. Single accident would cause huge PR damage. Do you really think they want to test it how it goes without being absolutely sure that it works? So yes, seld driing cars in good driving conditions is here today. For bad conditions it might take more time, perhaps even a year or two.
10 years to get the technology to be
a) I figure there are at least 10 years of development before the technology is ready for the masses.
b) Average car on the road is 10 years old- so even when the technology is ready there will be a long transition before the majority of cars on the road are self driving.
c) Government will give a long grace period for people with human driven cars that are late to the self-driven technology to switch over.
It's not going to happen in less than 30 years.
When I'm 90, I'll just have my 24 year old nymphomaniac ninja girlfriend do all my killings for me.
Everyone involved on both sides has come out publicly to say Bloomberg is wrong. Why are we still talking about it?
All parties involved have it in their vested interest to deny this.
... Their idea: "Just ride bikes. If you live too far out, move in closer." ...The snotty, "just ride bikes" suggestion sounds great, but in reality, it is pompous. There are many elderly people or people in wheelchairs that can't go and buy an Orbea Orca and magically be on their way.
In reality, I could ride my bike to the grocery store if just picking up a few items. I can't ride my bike to work, it would take too long (and I can't afford to move closer to work)... but there are a few other locations within a few dozen miles that I could probably use my bike for... but I won't.
Two reasons:
1) It's friggin' hot in the South 6 months out of the year... I'd arrive everywhere stinking awful. Not to mention, can you imagine all the dehydration deaths if many people did this?
2) It's not safe. I see more "white bicycle memorials" marking where cyclists are killed than I see actual bicycles on the road around here. People don't drive safely around cyclists here and there are no bike lanes. I know this would change as people got more experience around cyclists and such... but I wouldn't want to be cycling until it is the norm.
Sure, the FATALITY rate is roughly 1.25 per 100,000,000 miles in the US, but the ACCIDENT rate is around 600 per 100,000,000 miles.
And Waymo has been in accidents... but at least as of last year the only accidents they have been involved in they were not at fault in all but one... and that one, the human was driving at the time.
Ummm.. the orders to launch nukes don't come over cell-phones. This is the civilian alert system, not the military one.
Whoooosh!
I don't worry much about the cars themselves, but about the potential for legislation mandating we have self-driving cars. If you are old enough, you'll recall all the arguments about motorcycle helmet laws. How motorcycle accidents without helmets overloaded ER rooms and cost the public a lot of money in medical care. There is a clear precedent for my fears, The argument is the same. Don't forget that driving is a privilege not a right.
Eventually it WILL be better for everyone that EVERYONE be mandated to have a self-driving car.
I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Probably not for at least another 30 years or more... but eventually yes, people won't drive themselves... and that's a good thing.
They have, the difference is these won't have a backup driver to take over.
It seems to me, that Waymo have the best tech and take the safety aspect very seriously, so I don't see any cause for alarm myself.
If Uber were doing this, then there would be cause for alarm. Regulation is needed, as although Waymo take safety seriously, some of there competitors may not.
I agree completely. As over-the-top safety conscious as Waymo has been taking baby steps all the way to release- if Waymo think they're ready I'm inclined to believe them... but like you, I wouldn't believe some of their competitors.
If Waymo are being premature with this and any harm comes to anyone; you can bet they will get their socks sued off them.