But i will not begrudge anybody who tries to protect their rights (copyright owners do have rights)
Copyright is not real, it's not a right, it's a legal abstraction. Your rights are far more fundamental than that. If you are going to argue for the legal existance of a limited copyright, then you have to be prepared to accept the logical conclusion of that, that if I have your "intellectual property" (I would argue that information is not property, because if I take it from you, you still have it) on my machine, and I'm serving it out (via http, gnutella, freenet, ftp or whatever), do I deserve to go to jail? Would you want me to have that fate, because if you don't, don't bother to have any copyright at all, because it is now a completely spineless and hollow legal abstraction.
Well, in truth, I think the real solution is the abandonment of capitalism, because this problem only exists inside that framework (not to mention all the other problems with this framework), but for the time being, I would suggest something similar to the Street Performer Protocol, I suspect something like that could be adopted for music, videos, and even programmers.
I disagree about copyright being dead. i also do not believe it ever should be. It must certainly be shortened, the extra long time it lasts now does nothing for society.
Let me put it another way. Copyright is now unenforcable. Actually, I believe it's always been unenforcable, it's just that breaking the law was time consuming and inconvient (printing presses, early sound recording). Now that copying is so convient, how will they enforce this short copyright, but the most important question of all is whether they will throw me in jail when I break it, because nothing is worse for society than good people being in jail for stupid reasons!
However without some form of copyright laws the artists would get nothing at all. As a result artists would either a) not make art, b) not share their art except at closely held screenings, c) start charging a whole lot more for the copies that you can get....
We would go back in time to the age of Live Performances. Opera, Plays, Concerts would rise in prominence. You would need to hire musicians to ride in your car if you wanted to hear music there. Why?
Music, as well as other forms of art have existed since long before recording and copyright. We have never left the age of live music, it's just changed. Bands always have made money performing live, ask any real musician, and they'll tell you that. The recording industry is what makes possible these super-rich musicians (you know who I'm talking about), and if musicians can't be millionaires, too fucking bad. Go out, and play your music, and make your money. Without copyright law, the internet and the technology will not go away, and we'll have more music and movies than ever before, because we will be able to copy them freely on this beauitful information network. Then, when we want to really experience that music with our fellow human beings, we'll do what human beings have always done, they congregate and entertain eachother.
Because there would be no incentive.
Bullshit. Art is passion, and whether they're getting paid or not, artists will always create their art, it is the excrement of the human imagination. I think this dilema is a fundemantal flaw in capitalism.
What scares me here is, the continued work to improve our copyright and internet security laws....
Agreed. I hope you replied with a sufficiently scathing and eye-opening letter, threating to contact every geek you know in his district, and recommend never voting for him again.;)
We've been able to copy VHS for over a decade and they're still making movies. Does anyone really think that the movie industry will be eradicated due to copyright infringment?
The power of the internet is very different than VHS tapes. As bandwidth grows, and storage increases, no technology, with the possible exception of hardware protections (I for one think that widespread use of hardware protection would lead to an underground hardware market), copyright will not be able to survive. Copyright is a concept that only works when the medium and the media can't be separated. You can't separate a book from it's words, or a VHS tape from it's movie. Sure, you can copy it, but only to another medium. We now have a medium that is flexible enough to functionally separate the two.
I don't understand why anyone but the music industry cares if technology has made the business model of the industry unprofitable and unnecessary. I'm' sure the horse and buggy industry was pissed about cars, but I don't hear them still complaining (overused example, I know, sorry). Yet a lot of people actually seem to buy this whining about the death of the recording industry.
The internet is a big leap in human technology, and it's made a lot of our laws unaplicable. That's okay, lots of the laws that the founders of this country thought were a good idea, but we don't have around anymore. Why? Because things change, and the laws have to change with them. Copyright (and eventually the pattent system), are over. Deal with it, and move on hardware manufacturers/music industry/everyone else.
I spent most of last summer traveling, and attending Rainbow Gatherings, and that got me thinking about networking. Eventually, I was considering trying to start a geek camp on the rainbow trail (from gathering to gathering), and see if I can try to mobilize the rainbow geek contigent to a certain extent, as well as giving family an easy way to check their e-mail, and directions and gathering websites can be more up-to-date.
My plan so far (funds permitting), is to get a full-size schoolbus (deisel, for the hope of eventually using some kind of bio-mass), a teepee, and a bunch of laptops. Equip everything with 802.11a adapters, and put my pc in the bus with a big antena on the roof, another big antena on the teepee, and bring a few spares. When we get there, we contact as many locals as we can, looking for a feed, and if we bring spare 802.11a equipment to use, I doubt any gathering is more than 10 miles or so from a connection of some kind? Anyway, even if it wouldn't work everywhere, we could probably pull it off at least at nationals (the big one, in July).
After a few seasons, maybe the rainbow geeks could organize some sort of grand open-source project? Especially with all the time we'll have on our hands during long stints at gatherings.;)
I ran a 24 line BBS in south Florida for a while (didn't start it, but ran it a while) called Dragon World. I originally found that board through Eric Thav's South Florida BBS List, though who knows where that is today. There were some other good boards on it, like Fantastic Planet. We ran MajorBBS, owned by Galacticom. It was my entire social life for years, and I'll never forget the way a wall of external USR modems look, blinking all night log.
sigh, Joshua
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Multi-function devices are not good. I had a nokia 9110 mobile phone that allowed access to the internet(proper internet, not just wap). It was too big to be carried
Have you played with the new iPaq? That screen is big enough to watch a movie on, and it's big enough to read/. on, and the Transcriber is pretty fucking acurate and seamless now. And the fitaly keyboard is pretty damn fast input.
Screw Nokia, all I want is lots of really good, small computers, with fast input, and good output. I want to see 802.11 on them, and that's all I need. That form factor is small enough for me.
Over a month ago, my friend and I downloaded a copy off the Gnutella network using Limewire. It took forever with his damn dialup, but we got it. It had a big "NOT FOR AIR" written along the bottom.
It's quite funny, and really does the cartoon justice. I found the style quite innovative. Summary, I liked it, do watch!
The only reasons we seem to be surprised at how much we're hated out there is that we don't take the time to learn what our country has done over there, what past attitudes have been, past policies, past responses.
Right here, you've hit the root of the problem. And that is a media that is centrally controlled and top down, and run for capitalistic interests. The most important kind of activism right now is media activism, because people won't be motivated to change something if they don't know what's going on.
When I started reading slashdot, I felt very connected to the geek world, I felt like I knew exactly what was going on. So I started another slash site to cover a broader range of issues. It's starting to grow, but it's a snowball that's hard to get started.
Anyway, this site I've started is terradot, and I hope to see you all there.
The new trailor looks pretty damn cool. I downloaded it from the Gnutella network using the Limewire client. Hell, that was months ago. It's got one scene of lots of jedi's in the dark, charging into battle with lightsabre's flailing! Not to mention a damn fine female jedi hottie!
First off, after seeing products like the iPaq, I won't settle for anything less than full color, but with the development of Organic LED screens, I hope cheap and thin color screens will start to become much more common once that technology gets rolling.
Aside from that, the main problem with PDAs and cellphones in general right now is the problem of input...
QWERTY keyboards are great (maybe not as great as DVORAK, but great) if you've got ten fingers to type on. Graffiti, to me seems a poor solution for devices of the palm-size form factor. A better solution for any device with a stylus is the FITALY keyboard layout, designed for either a stylus, or one finger.
FITALY is great, but as screens get cheaper, and power gets more abundant, we're gonna want Star Trek style pads, and we're going to want them bigger than the current palm-size form factor. We'll need a bigger size, and for that, I don't think FITALY is the right input method either. What will be needed when devices of that form-factor come out is a one-handed, or five-finger keyboard. Any mathemeticians out there want to have a crack at a layout?;)
"[t]he Web was supposed to subvert corporate domination of culture by giving a global soapbox -- or printing press, or television station -- to anyone with a computer and a modem"
The reason it took/is taking the web a long time to develop to the point where this is common and actually useful (geocities pages are not useful) is that you can't host a website with a dialup connection, and hell, you can't even host it on most cable lines and DSL (not all of course). And even if you do manage to have a DSL with a static-ip or a T1 available, server software is not yet set up to the point where the average non-geek to publish. This will happen, and it will be beautiful.
[soapbox]
I also wanted to take this opportunity to tell you that I am using the internet in this way. It's young and not all that active yet, but I'm running a slash site called terradot, with a slogan of growing awareness, and it's got a very broad topic range. Please check it out. Also, there are many other good sites that are attempting to take back the power of propoganda and distribute it a little more evenly, instead of the wealthy having it all and the middle and lower classes having none. The internet has this potential, and all we need to do now is make it happen. As soon as I started reading/. I felt like I was connected to the geek community - in the know - and when something important happened, I knew about it. You don't find all the important stuff on CNN. Some other sites are the Independent Media Center, Common Dreams and Smokedot. Obviously there are many more. Check it out, once again, check out terradot.;)
What I was looking for was some more traditional evidence showing objective harm (psychological difficulties, increased likelihood of violence, etc.) when children are exposed to pornography.
Actually, evidence has been shown exactly to the contrary. I remember reading about a statistical study (lots of good thinks there too, I think) that studied thousands of cultures around the world, and it found a direct connection between the suppression of sexuality (I think in adults, and in children) and increased violence. Yes, unsurprisingly, in cultures that are repressed sexually, violence is more common. This doesn't bloody suprise me, how about you?
I want to be begin with, I was a die hard, first generation series fan for a very long time before TNG came out. It felt to me like TNG was trying to replace instead of follow the original. But I wanted to be fair, so I watched TNG and to both my delight and my disapointment in my temporary bout with poor judgement, I found it to have quite a few redeming qualities which were enough to keep me wanting to watch for more.
Then! They introduced DS9 to us. What were they thinking? I just wasn't sure. What am I gonna do, I had to give it a looksee, it is part of the universe after all. Well, again to my shagrin, it certainly did have it's redeming qualities. They're not all equally strong, mind you, all these different branches of a series they came up with, but it seems as though, the stronger carry the weak while the weak supply many unexpected yet necessary intricacies(whew!) on which to feast your imagination. As well as I think they help to fill out a universe and give it reality.
Voyager... In spite of the fact that it was geared towards a style of sci-fi and space exploration/adventure which is more to my heart's content, whilst pining aboard DS9, I seemed to have found myself more resistant toward even the possibility of allowing myself to like yet another attempt at either perpetuating, salvaging or otherwise trying to manipulate the time-honored memory of a series that became a ground breaking, growth inspiring media in which to set free an otherwise culture/civilization and society shackled spirit we have all been oppressed amongst! However, yet again Voyager did prove to have what it takes to come into it's own and to take it's place there amongst the pantheon of successful Roddenbury(sp?)-inspired Star Trek series.
So... here are we are, the ragg'd'est bunch of 'please just give us yet another series, so we have something to feed our Star Trek addictions with!' (after all, we all do know, this is exactly what Roddenberry intended the entire time. "yes, yes, I'll just hook them with the first series, then I'll really start to blow their minds... sheep'... cattle'... the herd'... I know they'll do anything, once I have them. They're all so weak minded, they actually think that it's the addition of each new series and the possible positives and/or negatives it may carry with it that will hook them or drive them away, they think that's the hook... I'll tell me what, I think it's My mind that's going to be blown when they realize that the quintessential plan all along has been 'there shall be no end to the series... whatsoever.'") (... I think?)... so as I was saying before I was most rudely interupted by Gene... yes, there's going to be another series, and another after that, and who knows? Let's take the long shot, another after that! 'And you know what, we're all going to find things with each new series that we love, like, can stand, dislike and utterly abhor(sp?) (not that cows or their genetalia have anything to do with this) as the series grows and grows, our universe flows and flows, we enjoy it while it grows while it guides us in our growth. After all, there is something to be learned, liked, and loved in everything. This is all I have to say, aren't you relieved.
Slainte Mhath!, Dobhairsean Mac a' Bhalldruidh nan Tuatha de Mac a' Phearsain nan Tuatha de An'Chattan.
A'Thuatha Gu Bradh!
And very relieved, this is Joshua typing, cheers.;)
We have become dependant on certain utilities such as water, electricity, gas, heating oil. And in those cases I would say that those utilities and the governement have a responsibility to be sure that even if they go out of business, you still have power, water, etc. But this is the Internet, it's not a utility, you can live just fine without it. No one, no matter how geeky needs the Internet.
The internet has become a utility to me, and to many others! Of course no one needs the internet. No one needs electricity either. Build a fucking fire, cook your food that way. You don't have to have that toaster or electric light, use a damn candle. You don't needs heating oil, build another fire, curl up with a cute girl. Except warmth, food and companionship, nothing is a necessity.
However, I think the ineternet is a very good thing. I think that having a global communications network is just as important (if not more so) of having a power network. The internet is becomming a way of life, it's becomming the way we interact with the world. I don't really watch television anymore, and rarely read dead tree newspapers. I get my news here, I watch The Simpsons here (sometimes), I listen to my music here, I interact with people, I express myself and I make my viewpoints known. That is the amazing thing about the internet. It allows everyone to make their voices heard.
I was a customer of Flashcom, then they went under and we got Telocity (which didn't work for months with that box just sitting there blinking), and now, last night, the DSL isn't working. I'm too tired to fiddle with it, but now I think I know why it wasn't working. I feel cut off from the world in my house without my internet connection.
I would personally buy a Palm and fully learn it, if I had a real world use for one (actually, I am beginning to think I do, what with all the information I keep, etc).
If I bought a palm, I would get the Fitaly Stamp for it.;)
I was quite intrigued by the mention of this phibre being able to carry both power and data. It would be truely amazing if we could simply have a standard for all cables carrying any kind of anything, be it power or data, and perhaps even both travelling through the same wire at the same time. Imagine a peer to peer power network over the internet. Can you send power inside a packet? Granted, I'm thinking in the long term, but it's a lovely idea, eh? BTW, I have no idea what I'm talking about, this is just ideas.
I'm not sure what will happen, but it seems to me that even though anyone can now say anything, since anyone can do that, then we will get more points of view. If I'm at an event, and I write a story about that event that has some untruths, half-truths or rumors in it, other people who were at that event can get their say, and say "Hey, I saw something different!" The point is that being a journalist, is not the only thing someone does. We're all living, and we're all seeing things happen in our world. Every time I post a comment or an article on here or on my website, I'm a journalist, reporting my world. If other people think I'm not reporting my world acurately, by all means, lets talk about it and get the story straight! Journalists can't be expected to be right about everything all the time.
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Copyright is not real, it's not a right, it's a legal abstraction. Your rights are far more fundamental than that. If you are going to argue for the legal existance of a limited copyright, then you have to be prepared to accept the logical conclusion of that, that if I have your "intellectual property" (I would argue that information is not property, because if I take it from you, you still have it) on my machine, and I'm serving it out (via http, gnutella, freenet, ftp or whatever), do I deserve to go to jail? Would you want me to have that fate, because if you don't, don't bother to have any copyright at all, because it is now a completely spineless and hollow legal abstraction.
Well, in truth, I think the real solution is the abandonment of capitalism, because this problem only exists inside that framework (not to mention all the other problems with this framework), but for the time being, I would suggest something similar to the Street Performer Protocol, I suspect something like that could be adopted for music, videos, and even programmers.
As an ardent stoner, this is not far from my reality. To me the drug war and copyright are very silly concepts, and share many similarities.
Cheers, Joshua
Let me put it another way. Copyright is now unenforcable. Actually, I believe it's always been unenforcable, it's just that breaking the law was time consuming and inconvient (printing presses, early sound recording). Now that copying is so convient, how will they enforce this short copyright, but the most important question of all is whether they will throw me in jail when I break it, because nothing is worse for society than good people being in jail for stupid reasons!
Cheers, Joshua
We would go back in time to the age of Live Performances. Opera, Plays, Concerts would rise in prominence. You would need to hire musicians to ride in your car if you wanted to hear music there. Why?
Music, as well as other forms of art have existed since long before recording and copyright. We have never left the age of live music, it's just changed. Bands always have made money performing live, ask any real musician, and they'll tell you that. The recording industry is what makes possible these super-rich musicians (you know who I'm talking about), and if musicians can't be millionaires, too fucking bad. Go out, and play your music, and make your money. Without copyright law, the internet and the technology will not go away, and we'll have more music and movies than ever before, because we will be able to copy them freely on this beauitful information network. Then, when we want to really experience that music with our fellow human beings, we'll do what human beings have always done, they congregate and entertain eachother.
Because there would be no incentive.
Bullshit. Art is passion, and whether they're getting paid or not, artists will always create their art, it is the excrement of the human imagination. I think this dilema is a fundemantal flaw in capitalism.
Cheers, Joshua
Agreed. I hope you replied with a sufficiently scathing and eye-opening letter, threating to contact every geek you know in his district, and recommend never voting for him again. ;)
Cheers, Joshua
The power of the internet is very different than VHS tapes. As bandwidth grows, and storage increases, no technology, with the possible exception of hardware protections (I for one think that widespread use of hardware protection would lead to an underground hardware market), copyright will not be able to survive. Copyright is a concept that only works when the medium and the media can't be separated. You can't separate a book from it's words, or a VHS tape from it's movie. Sure, you can copy it, but only to another medium. We now have a medium that is flexible enough to functionally separate the two.
I don't understand why anyone but the music industry cares if technology has made the business model of the industry unprofitable and unnecessary. I'm' sure the horse and buggy industry was pissed about cars, but I don't hear them still complaining (overused example, I know, sorry). Yet a lot of people actually seem to buy this whining about the death of the recording industry.
The internet is a big leap in human technology, and it's made a lot of our laws unaplicable. That's okay, lots of the laws that the founders of this country thought were a good idea, but we don't have around anymore. Why? Because things change, and the laws have to change with them. Copyright (and eventually the pattent system), are over. Deal with it, and move on hardware manufacturers/music industry/everyone else.
Cheers, Joshua
My plan so far (funds permitting), is to get a full-size schoolbus (deisel, for the hope of eventually using some kind of bio-mass), a teepee, and a bunch of laptops. Equip everything with 802.11a adapters, and put my pc in the bus with a big antena on the roof, another big antena on the teepee, and bring a few spares. When we get there, we contact as many locals as we can, looking for a feed, and if we bring spare 802.11a equipment to use, I doubt any gathering is more than 10 miles or so from a connection of some kind? Anyway, even if it wouldn't work everywhere, we could probably pull it off at least at nationals (the big one, in July).
After a few seasons, maybe the rainbow geeks could organize some sort of grand open-source project? Especially with all the time we'll have on our hands during long stints at gatherings. ;)
Cheers, Joshua
sigh, Joshua
Have you played with the new iPaq? That screen is big enough to watch a movie on, and it's big enough to read /. on, and the Transcriber is pretty fucking acurate and seamless now. And the fitaly keyboard is pretty damn fast input.
Screw Nokia, all I want is lots of really good, small computers, with fast input, and good output. I want to see 802.11 on them, and that's all I need. That form factor is small enough for me.
cheers, joshua
It's quite funny, and really does the cartoon justice. I found the style quite innovative. Summary, I liked it, do watch!
Cheers, Joshua
cheers, joshua
Right here, you've hit the root of the problem. And that is a media that is centrally controlled and top down, and run for capitalistic interests. The most important kind of activism right now is media activism, because people won't be motivated to change something if they don't know what's going on.
When I started reading slashdot, I felt very connected to the geek world, I felt like I knew exactly what was going on. So I started another slash site to cover a broader range of issues. It's starting to grow, but it's a snowball that's hard to get started.
Anyway, this site I've started is terradot, and I hope to see you all there.
cheers, Joshua
Cheers, Joshua
Aside from that, the main problem with PDAs and cellphones in general right now is the problem of input...
QWERTY keyboards are great (maybe not as great as DVORAK, but great) if you've got ten fingers to type on. Graffiti, to me seems a poor solution for devices of the palm-size form factor. A better solution for any device with a stylus is the FITALY keyboard layout, designed for either a stylus, or one finger.
FITALY is great, but as screens get cheaper, and power gets more abundant, we're gonna want Star Trek style pads, and we're going to want them bigger than the current palm-size form factor. We'll need a bigger size, and for that, I don't think FITALY is the right input method either. What will be needed when devices of that form-factor come out is a one-handed, or five-finger keyboard. Any mathemeticians out there want to have a crack at a layout? ;)
cheers, joshua
[soapbox]
I also wanted to take this opportunity to tell you that I am using the internet in this way. It's young and not all that active yet, but I'm running a slash site called terradot , with a slogan of growing awareness, and it's got a very broad topic range. Please check it out. Also, there are many other good sites that are attempting to take back the power of propoganda and distribute it a little more evenly, instead of the wealthy having it all and the middle and lower classes having none. The internet has this potential, and all we need to do now is make it happen. As soon as I started reading /. I felt like I was connected to the geek community - in the know - and when something important happened, I knew about it. You don't find all the important stuff on CNN. Some other sites are the Independent Media Center, Common Dreams and Smokedot. Obviously there are many more. Check it out, once again, check out terradot. ;)
[/soapbox]
cheers, ouroboros
http://terradot.org
Actually, evidence has been shown exactly to the contrary. I remember reading about a statistical study (lots of good thinks there too, I think) that studied thousands of cultures around the world, and it found a direct connection between the suppression of sexuality (I think in adults, and in children) and increased violence. Yes, unsurprisingly, in cultures that are repressed sexually, violence is more common. This doesn't bloody suprise me, how about you?
cheers, joshua
Terradot
Then! They introduced DS9 to us. What were they thinking? I just wasn't sure. What am I gonna do, I had to give it a looksee, it is part of the universe after all. Well, again to my shagrin, it certainly did have it's redeming qualities. They're not all equally strong, mind you, all these different branches of a series they came up with, but it seems as though, the stronger carry the weak while the weak supply many unexpected yet necessary intricacies(whew!) on which to feast your imagination. As well as I think they help to fill out a universe and give it reality.
Voyager... In spite of the fact that it was geared towards a style of sci-fi and space exploration/adventure which is more to my heart's content, whilst pining aboard DS9, I seemed to have found myself more resistant toward even the possibility of allowing myself to like yet another attempt at either perpetuating, salvaging or otherwise trying to manipulate the time-honored memory of a series that became a ground breaking, growth inspiring media in which to set free an otherwise culture/civilization and society shackled spirit we have all been oppressed amongst! However, yet again Voyager did prove to have what it takes to come into it's own and to take it's place there amongst the pantheon of successful Roddenbury(sp?)-inspired Star Trek series.
So... here are we are, the ragg'd'est bunch of 'please just give us yet another series, so we have something to feed our Star Trek addictions with!' (after all, we all do know, this is exactly what Roddenberry intended the entire time. "yes, yes, I'll just hook them with the first series, then I'll really start to blow their minds... sheep'... cattle'... the herd'... I know they'll do anything, once I have them. They're all so weak minded, they actually think that it's the addition of each new series and the possible positives and/or negatives it may carry with it that will hook them or drive them away, they think that's the hook... I'll tell me what, I think it's My mind that's going to be blown when they realize that the quintessential plan all along has been 'there shall be no end to the series... whatsoever.'") (... I think?)... so as I was saying before I was most rudely interupted by Gene... yes, there's going to be another series, and another after that, and who knows? Let's take the long shot, another after that! 'And you know what, we're all going to find things with each new series that we love, like, can stand, dislike and utterly abhor(sp?) (not that cows or their genetalia have anything to do with this) as the series grows and grows, our universe flows and flows, we enjoy it while it grows while it guides us in our growth. After all, there is something to be learned, liked, and loved in everything. This is all I have to say, aren't you relieved.
Slainte Mhath!, Dobhairsean Mac a' Bhalldruidh nan Tuatha de Mac a' Phearsain nan Tuatha de An'Chattan.
A'Thuatha Gu Bradh!
And very relieved, this is Joshua typing, cheers. ;)
Terradot
cheers, joshua
Terradot
That's very true. Infact, when Rudolph Diesel premiered the diesel engine at the World's Fair in Paris in 1900, it ran on peanut oil.
cheers, joshuaos
Terradot
The internet has become a utility to me, and to many others! Of course no one needs the internet. No one needs electricity either. Build a fucking fire, cook your food that way. You don't have to have that toaster or electric light, use a damn candle. You don't needs heating oil, build another fire, curl up with a cute girl. Except warmth, food and companionship, nothing is a necessity.
However, I think the ineternet is a very good thing. I think that having a global communications network is just as important (if not more so) of having a power network. The internet is becomming a way of life, it's becomming the way we interact with the world. I don't really watch television anymore, and rarely read dead tree newspapers. I get my news here, I watch The Simpsons here (sometimes), I listen to my music here, I interact with people, I express myself and I make my viewpoints known. That is the amazing thing about the internet. It allows everyone to make their voices heard.
I was a customer of Flashcom, then they went under and we got Telocity (which didn't work for months with that box just sitting there blinking), and now, last night, the DSL isn't working. I'm too tired to fiddle with it, but now I think I know why it wasn't working. I feel cut off from the world in my house without my internet connection.
cheers, joshua
Terradot
If I bought a palm, I would get the Fitaly Stamp for it. ;)
cheers, joshua
Terradot
cheers, joshua
Terradot
It's the tea, mate... It stimulates their brains. ;)
cheers, joshua
Terradot
cheers, joshua
Terradot