The issue is that scads of IT shops consist of people who are skilled in applying some vendor's patches and security updates, but not in the underlying system(s) or network technologies. Whether that vendor is Microsoft or Red Hat, all the worker bees know how to do is install patches. And this patching and support is mainly what all the corps are paying for.
Think of it this way - using linux or bsd as an example, doesn't it make more sense to use a free one and employ admins and programmers who know how to build and support your network, and have *them* hire worker bees as needed? Why pay an external party for support when it might cost less to hire knowledgable engineers in house and have them do the work? Or, if the admins are already savvy and are working hard even *though* you're paying for some vendor's support, then why pay for that support anyway? Just use a free opsys and do the same amount of work.
As long as IT shops are filled with patch-pushers, these issues will continue. With linux the chances of a massive worm or email virus outbreak would definately be smaller, and bsd smaller still. But the opsys isn't the only problem. Corporate IT is it's own problem.
Run your servers on openbsd - they'd love to be held accountable.
This probably isn't true. Buying out SCO would be tantamount to an admission of guilt, and would also saddle IBM with SCOs crappy software and crappy services. Who would want to aquire that worthless pile of junk? Anybody here used Unixware? Blech. I'd rather not ever use a computer again than run that junk.
I also found Drool's comment that there are 100s of Unixware users out there humorous. 100s. hehe. I've written software with 100s of users. Big deal, that's not many. Moron. McBride would make an excellent neo-con, he has a total disregard for reality and honor.
Definately - screw them for everything they're worth - they've been doing it to the rest of the planet (esp. the US) for years. All the real music is on independent label anyway....
Suse is a corporate enitity, which makes other corps that much more likely to deal with them. The 2-distro comment is bunk in the common market, but in the corporate market it's spot-on.
Sounds like a jerk to me too, but like the man sez, it's corporatespeak. No matter what happens in the corporate world, we'll always have Slackware and Gentoo and which is fine by me, although if Red Hat and/or Suse can keep working well with the corps, then that's a good thing too. When was the last time you had a beer and listened to heavy metal with a corp exec? Hmm??
I'm not so sure about that. I think it was taken out of (or beyond its) context, although I do find the sentiment somewhat brusque. The companies that *are* starting to distribute linux on servers and now desktops are working mainly with Red Hat and Suse, who make most of their money from support services the corporations rely upon. That's just a fact right now - corps want another corp they can bitch at. If they were smart, they'd bring in a few savvy admins, use a free distro and pay *them* for support. But there's that whole "If they were smart" condition, applied to corporate IT no less...
... and people will stop using Windows in critical systems where failure can have catastrophic results. The only thing Windows does reliably is fail. Whoever decides to run a nuclear plant's safety monitoring system or a civil rail's monitoring and safety system on a Windows platform should be dragged into the street, shot, burned, pissed on, disemboweled and then hanged.
I don't agree with everything in this rant, but I've said for years (since my first co-op in 1998) that IT was a self-supporting infrastructure, a fat one with no accountability. Nice to hear somebody else echo that.
Also, both XServes and Linux boxes make nice servers. Different strokes for different folks.
I haven't hit anything internally that Konqueror can't handle in about 18 months, so I assume (maybe I'm crazy?) that Mozilla should work as well. And it's not so much 'standardizing' on Mozilla as 'all the apps must work' in Mozilla, so the non-win32 users can use the WAN smoothly. It's working out well for me, IE doesn't work too well in slackware - it runs great in Win4Lin but I haven't used it in ages.
Search w3 for the move to mozilla, or ask internally.
My Mom has been using Mozilla for all email and web browsing for over 2 years now and she loves it, it's perfect for her. Entirely not computer savvy, she is still able to maninpulate mail folders and print and yaddayaddayadda. On an entertaining note, it took a while for me to explain to her why other people were being crippled with virii (lots in my family) and she was not... If my Mom can use it daily, without fail or lost email, it's a solid app.
Once I upgrade her hardware (she's dragging her feet, the 350 k6-2 is still ok) I'll move her from WindowMaker to KDE 3. No offense WindowMaker - you rock! - but she needs KDE.
while(TRUE) or while(1) implies a specific state for the condition. Leaving the argument empty requires only that the condition exist, in my pseudocode. Basically, put any condition you want in there, and it will work.
Unfortunately, he doesn't keep up with technology news, so he's not sure what the most relevant dilemmas are.
Sounds to me like he's not really qualified to teach the class. We've all had teachers who were fairly far behind teach us a subject in engineering school - everybody remember how little they got out of those classes?? Hmm???
Hmm. NWN is very very resource intensive. It might *work* on your box, I dunno. You'll probably have to back down quite a bit on the graphics detail and maybe play at 800x600.
On a 1.2 GHz Athlon with a Geforce and a gig of RAM I can play NWN at 1024x768 with all the graphics detail maxed or at 1280x1024 with some of the detail backed off (and at this res it sometimes stutters in external scenes).
Multiplayer between the Windows, Linux and (vaporware) Mac versions should work fine. Several have already gotten it working in the fora. I was able to connect to a friend's win32 NWN server but didn't have time to hang out and beat on it.
I downloaded the Linux client beta (all 3 of them so far) and they just installed and worked. No problem.
Granted, there's no installer (yet - actually - there is a port of the Loki installer available - look in the fora) but if you're comfortable with your Linux PC and know how to create, copy and change permissions on directories, it's pretty painless. Runs like a top. Better framerate too:)
Wow. This is a really tasteless and tactless move by Adobe. Unbelievable. So what you want, how you want, regardless of it's effect on your cutomers and your business partners.
They must be taking cues from the Dubya 'diplomatic' core...
Actually, let me restate the original: We run linux for some computation and verfication, but we do most of it on RISC boxes. Linux hasn't been fully tested there yet. Not saying it can't do it, it just hasn't been tried.
All that said, any shop that uses Unix boxes for back-end computation/calculation/engineering apps, who has always used Unix on the developer's desktops, could very easily (and cheaply) replace those expensive ($20k-$70k) Unix desktops with Linux boxes and submit jobs or run them remotely (which they're alreading doing anyway). Linux is far more advanced than Unix as a desktop, including (dubiously) all the funky browser support and has all the stability. That's the price difference I was talking about.
Also (and this will surely be a lightning bolt coming my way) for most Unix users, Linux is for all intents and purposes Unix, it just happens to run on inexpensive hardware.
I'm not doing either. I just think Linux has everything the big boys have, plus far better interfaces and multimedia (I like to listen to music while working).
We have AIX running on everything from single CPU boxes to S80's. Dunno about the Sun boxes, they're in another state.
It probably lacks the SMP power of the big boys, and as this is an enterprise thread so I probably should have been more explicit.
I use AIX, Linux and Solaris every day. The only thing Linux is missing is the enormous price tag. These concerns of stability I just don't see, seems pretty fscking solid to me.
A better question would be "where is Linux kicking the crap out of Unix?". Now *there* would be a flame fest. Note that I'm a Unix fan, but Linux has surpassed it as a developer's workstation and basic desktop. From the standpoint of an ASIC developer, that is.
Slashdot Mirror
The issue is that scads of IT shops consist of people who are skilled in applying some vendor's patches and security updates, but not in the underlying system(s) or network technologies. Whether that vendor is Microsoft or Red Hat, all the worker bees know how to do is install patches. And this patching and support is mainly what all the corps are paying for.
Think of it this way - using linux or bsd as an example, doesn't it make more sense to use a free one and employ admins and programmers who know how to build and support your network, and have *them* hire worker bees as needed? Why pay an external party for support when it might cost less to hire knowledgable engineers in house and have them do the work? Or, if the admins are already savvy and are working hard even *though* you're paying for some vendor's support, then why pay for that support anyway? Just use a free opsys and do the same amount of work.
As long as IT shops are filled with patch-pushers, these issues will continue. With linux the chances of a massive worm or email virus outbreak would definately be smaller, and bsd smaller still. But the opsys isn't the only problem. Corporate IT is it's own problem.
Run your servers on openbsd - they'd love to be held accountable.
This probably isn't true. Buying out SCO would be tantamount to an admission of guilt, and would also saddle IBM with SCOs crappy software and crappy services. Who would want to aquire that worthless pile of junk? Anybody here used Unixware? Blech. I'd rather not ever use a computer again than run that junk.
I also found Drool's comment that there are 100s of Unixware users out there humorous. 100s. hehe. I've written software with 100s of users. Big deal, that's not many. Moron. McBride would make an excellent neo-con, he has a total disregard for reality and honor.
Definately - screw them for everything they're worth - they've been doing it to the rest of the planet (esp. the US) for years. All the real music is on independent label anyway....
touche' ;-)
Suse is a corporate enitity, which makes other corps that much more likely to deal with them. The 2-distro comment is bunk in the common market, but in the corporate market it's spot-on.
Sounds like a jerk to me too, but like the man sez, it's corporatespeak. No matter what happens in the corporate world, we'll always have Slackware and Gentoo and which is fine by me, although if Red Hat and/or Suse can keep working well with the corps, then that's a good thing too. When was the last time you had a beer and listened to heavy metal with a corp exec? Hmm??
I'm not so sure about that. I think it was taken out of (or beyond its) context, although I do find the sentiment somewhat brusque. The companies that *are* starting to distribute linux on servers and now desktops are working mainly with Red Hat and Suse, who make most of their money from support services the corporations rely upon. That's just a fact right now - corps want another corp they can bitch at. If they were smart, they'd bring in a few savvy admins, use a free distro and pay *them* for support. But there's that whole "If they were smart" condition, applied to corporate IT no less...
LILO is a tool, and tools don't screw up, the people who use them do.
... and people will stop using Windows in critical systems where failure can have catastrophic results. The only thing Windows does reliably is fail. Whoever decides to run a nuclear plant's safety monitoring system or a civil rail's monitoring and safety system on a Windows platform should be dragged into the street, shot, burned, pissed on, disemboweled and then hanged.
People are morons.
I don't agree with everything in this rant, but I've said for years (since my first co-op in 1998) that IT was a self-supporting infrastructure, a fat one with no accountability. Nice to hear somebody else echo that.
Also, both XServes and Linux boxes make nice servers. Different strokes for different folks.
I haven't hit anything internally that Konqueror can't handle in about 18 months, so I assume (maybe I'm crazy?) that Mozilla should work as well. And it's not so much 'standardizing' on Mozilla as 'all the apps must work' in Mozilla, so the non-win32 users can use the WAN smoothly. It's working out well for me, IE doesn't work too well in slackware - it runs great in Win4Lin but I haven't used it in ages.
Search w3 for the move to mozilla, or ask internally.
My Mom has been using Mozilla for all email and web browsing for over 2 years now and she loves it, it's perfect for her. Entirely not computer savvy, she is still able to maninpulate mail folders and print and yaddayaddayadda. On an entertaining note, it took a while for me to explain to her why other people were being crippled with virii (lots in my family) and she was not... If my Mom can use it daily, without fail or lost email, it's a solid app.
Once I upgrade her hardware (she's dragging her feet, the 350 k6-2 is still ok) I'll move her from WindowMaker to KDE 3. No offense WindowMaker - you rock! - but she needs KDE.
That's 3 separate instances of windowmaker, right? With Xinerama, wouldn't the icons only be on 1 desktop? Dunno, never used it before.
while(TRUE) or while(1) implies a specific state for the condition. Leaving the argument empty requires only that the condition exist, in my pseudocode. Basically, put any condition you want in there, and it will work.
:)
Works for me, anyway.
because M$ is the only entity that can profit from this. Certainly not SCO. Not like they've ben profitable in my nephew's lifetime anyways...
This is bad, ladies and gentlemen, very bad. It just goes to show you how very low a losing corporation will go..
Unfortunately, he doesn't keep up with technology news, so he's not sure what the most relevant dilemmas are.
Sounds to me like he's not really qualified to teach the class. We've all had teachers who were fairly far behind teach us a subject in engineering school - everybody remember how little they got out of those classes?? Hmm???
Just a thought.
Hmm. NWN is very very resource intensive. It might *work* on your box, I dunno. You'll probably have to back down quite a bit on the graphics detail and maybe play at 800x600.
On a 1.2 GHz Athlon with a Geforce and a gig of RAM I can play NWN at 1024x768 with all the graphics detail maxed or at 1280x1024 with some of the detail backed off (and at this res it sometimes stutters in external scenes).
HTH - JB
Multiplayer between the Windows, Linux and (vaporware) Mac versions should work fine. Several have already gotten it working in the fora. I was able to connect to a friend's win32 NWN server but didn't have time to hang out and beat on it.
I downloaded the Linux client beta (all 3 of them so far) and they just installed and worked. No problem.
:)
Granted, there's no installer (yet - actually - there is a port of the Loki installer available - look in the fora) but if you're comfortable with your Linux PC and know how to create, copy and change permissions on directories, it's pretty painless. Runs like a top. Better framerate too
JB
Wow. This is a really tasteless and tactless move by Adobe. Unbelievable. So what you want, how you want, regardless of it's effect on your cutomers and your business partners.
They must be taking cues from the Dubya 'diplomatic' core...
http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/reqs/gridtool box
I'm almost certain LoadLeveler runs on x86 Linux.
Hmm. I know Ive seen it running in Linux. I mean, personally. Ill see if I can find a link.
It *does* exist.
Actually, let me restate the original: We run linux for some computation and verfication, but we do most of it on RISC boxes. Linux hasn't been fully tested there yet. Not saying it can't do it, it just hasn't been tried.
All that said, any shop that uses Unix boxes for back-end computation/calculation/engineering apps, who has always used Unix on the developer's desktops, could very easily (and cheaply) replace those expensive ($20k-$70k) Unix desktops with Linux boxes and submit jobs or run them remotely (which they're alreading doing anyway). Linux is far more advanced than Unix as a desktop, including (dubiously) all the funky browser support and has all the stability. That's the price difference I was talking about.
Also (and this will surely be a lightning bolt coming my way) for most Unix users, Linux is for all intents and purposes Unix, it just happens to run on inexpensive hardware.
Thanks for whacking me with the clarity stick.
JB
I'm not doing either. I just think Linux has everything the big boys have, plus far better interfaces and multimedia (I like to listen to music while working).
We have AIX running on everything from single CPU boxes to S80's. Dunno about the Sun boxes, they're in another state.
It probably lacks the SMP power of the big boys, and as this is an enterprise thread so I probably should have been more explicit.
JB
Check out Loadleveler:
a rd ware/1600_desc.html#topic5
http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/clusters/h
Works well.
I use AIX, Linux and Solaris every day. The only thing Linux is missing is the enormous price tag. These concerns of stability I just don't see, seems pretty fscking solid to me.
A better question would be "where is Linux kicking the crap out of Unix?". Now *there* would be a flame fest. Note that I'm a Unix fan, but Linux has surpassed it as a developer's workstation and basic desktop. From the standpoint of an ASIC developer, that is.
JB