I think if a few more kids saw an animal being killed it would make a big difference)
Yes, there would be fewer vegetarians. It is only the hiding of the natural cycle of predation that causes some adults to be disgusted and turn vegetarian. Learning that we eat animals at a young age leads to more rational adults. Now some of these rational adults may still turn vegetarian but they will more likely be motivated by health aspects than squeamishness. Squeamishness is a result of being sheltered and separated from the realities of nature.
Think of history for a moment, over the millennia of farming where young children saw fowl and livestock turned into dinner. What effect did that reality have on them? To go vegetarian, no. More likely is to be thinking "this is going to taste good" and they do their chore of plucking the chicken for Mom.
Hell, vegetarianism due to squeamishness is a very modern phenomena even in towns and cities. We are only a small number of decades removed from taking a whole chicken home for dinner. Plucked and partially processed but it still unmistakably looked like a chicken to any young children seeing it and Mom having to removed the inner organs was a common sight too. I recall seeing this at my Grandmother's. Did I want to stick my hands in there to remove the heart, liver, etc... no icky... did I sit down at the table and think yummy. You bet I did.
The full video, as opposed to the edited wikileaks video, show the journalists walking with armed insurgents. Its not indiscriminate when a guy near you has a RPG.
Apache helo pilots gunning for civilians and lying that they encountered a battle on the ground.
Actually the lies were wikileaks. They edited the video to remove the parts showing that the journalists were walking around an active combat zone with insurgents, where ground forces were factually engaged with other insurgents nearby.
The inventors will get rich selling to the Pentagon. What a tool for Drill Sergeants/Instructors during Basic Training / Boot Camp. No more guesswork as to what recruit's stress level may not be pegged at max.
And that 3rd party consumer data broker could just as easily hire a teenager with a modern phone at $5/hr to get the same information
Actually bail and repo guys are doing most of it. They have been cruising parking lots with license plate scanners for years. They find targets often enough to make this useful. They sell their data to brokers to offset their subscriptions to these brokers.
Mentioning ICE was just for clickbait. The system evolved out of private industry, specifically bail and repo guys recording plates, a central database emerging, bail and repo and then the government all subscribing to it. Local and state PD have been subscribing to the private database for a long time, various feds too, ICE is quite a small part of its use.
... the solution is to not shop there, encourage others to do the same, and let stores know why you won't shop there...
Not its not. Most harvesting of license plate data is done by bail and repo guys. They have been cruising parking lots for many years now collecting data and selling it to these private brokers. This will happen in any parking lot. Anywhere has the possibility of logging.
Nope, entirely empirically derived. Their javascript computer vision based AI app runs way too slow. Hardware is totally lagging behind software and holding things back.
If he distributed it electronically he might not get paid. After all, he is a thief, why would the new venture want him around? Better to steal from the thief and be done with him. Also no paper trail, or blockchain trail, of payment to him so there is some plausible deniability that the new venture was behind it, just a rouge working speculatively on his own..
What if it was a board or a program Xiaolang Zhang had worked on and spent hours coding and engineering?
It wasn't his. He was an employee. There's a tradeoff. You get a paycheck regardless of whether your work/project turns out to be commercially successful, you are not at risk, but you retain no ownership of your work.
You want to share in the upside? Go work for a startup, invest your life savings, invest the money of family and friends. Be at risk. Then you get ownership and the bounty if successful.
Intel didn't beat PPC because x86 was good. It was shit, that's why everyone until the end of the 90s ran on either proprietary ISAs or some Alpha and what not.
It was thought that x86 (cisc) was hitting a dead end, and that a shift to risc was necessary. PowerPC expected to outperform x86, "twice the performance at half the price". In reality, in general, PowerPC at the same clock rate of Intel was 20% faster. But Intel was able to crank up the clock rate to continually outperform PowerPC overall. This was totally unexpected. This was friggin miracle working. It may have taken an insane amount of work to pull this off, far more than what PowerPC was receiving, but Intel had such abundant resources and money. And yes, I know Intel is using a risc core to execute the micro-ops that x86 is translated into.
What helped Intel take off was AMD64.
That occurred (64-bit in the hands of consumers in non-trivial numbers) long after PowerPC's demise, even after its demise on Apple Macs. PowerPC had a brief chance but Apple killed it by not delivering CHRP. That magic box that would run both Windows and MacOS natively. We had the precursors to that, PREP, and there were commercially available WinNT4 PowerPC boxes, but no one cared. People who wanted performance went Alpha, people who wanted price stayed with Intel, there was no one left for PowerPC. Dual booting Windows and Mac OS might have worked. When Apple switch to Intel their sales basically doubled. That ancient barrier, having to choose PC or Mac, went away. People could have both in the same box.
If the Chinese want to build a Zen derivative, they have to copy also AMD's ASIC libraries and all their tools, they have to copy the exact same methodology used by TSMC or GF
And those cannot be stolen by a rogue employee? Look at a more recent slashdot story. An Apple employee downloaded circuit board designs for a driverless car onto a personal laptop and then immediately ran for the airport and a flight to China.
Everyone else needs a lot of billions and bleeding edge equipment, that is very easy to track if someone buys it.
And why is that a problem for a state owned entity?
A state where advanced US aircraft/weaponry designs get stolen and somehow find their way into their aircraft/weaponry.
Again, you have to keep in mind that catching up and surpassing the US is not some rouge CEO's fantasy, it is a goal of a power government. A government that AMD is partnering with.
I do not expect China to wait for AMD to provide the next generation design. I expect them to do their own design work too. They may use "partnerships" and industrial espionage to jump their capabilities ahead by many years but they also do their own independent research from that point as well. And they have engineering manpower to toss at the project too. Look at how Intel beat PowerPC, it wasn't that PowerPC itself failed to progress at a reasonable pace, it was more that Intel was able to take x86 farther than anyone imagined.
Regarding IP secured by encryption, consider we are speaking of the nation most adept and most practiced at industrial espionage.
Fab and packaging may be incredibly difficult to replicate but given industrial espionage and their internal engineering development talent I would not rule out progress. I expect them to make progress.
Were the US companies successful against a mom-and-pop operation, or where they successful against a state owned enterprise? That makes quite a bit of difference.
You presume a negotiation between equals. It was not. AMD may have smart lawyers but AMD was in a position of weakness and desperation when they embarked down this path in 2016.
The original article specifically states that AMD has licensed IP, x86 and SoC, for "chip development". AMD specifically says they expect them to "design" new products.
You argue that China doesn't currently have the technology to make a somewhat modern CPU. However you ignore that they are being trained and assisted by AMD to move down that path. China will not sit idly.
The current CPU is still basically Zen because it is the very first thing made. It will not stay this way for long. A company AMD does not control has already been licensed the IP and is enhancing it, do not be fooled by their 1.0.0 product. Also do not be foolish enough to think AMD will reap any great rewards. Profits will be realized/booked so that through financial engineering AMD's 51% majority and 30% minority shares will produce little. An ecosystem will evolve in the next few years where 100% Chinese owned subcontractors and buyers of finished CPUs will acquire nearly all the profit from these domestically manufactured CPUs.
AMD is doing nothing more than upgrading their future competition's current capabilities by many years and training them. In a few years they won't need AMD and the financial engineering will begin.
Are they going to spin off and begin creating x86 compatible processors, completely neglecting patents?
The AMD controlled company has already licensed the IP to the non-AMD controlled company. The non-AMD controlled company is also doing all the CPU design work. The AMD controlled company is just a front for compliance with the Intel/AMD agreement. It designs nothing, it sells nothing to the market, all that is done by the non-AMD controlled company. Again, a non-AMD controlled company that has a valid IP license according to Chinese law.
Hygon will not be content with Zen, Zen is just the starting point for them. AMD will lose more due to lost sales of AMD CPUs than they will gain from Hygon CPUs. The Hygon CPUs will not be complementary products, they will be substitute products. You are delusional if you think this is just a way to get another 5 years of sales out of Zen. Plus its delusional to think that AMD will be getting much of those Hygon CPU sales despite the ownership stakes. Profits will be diminished through financial engineering.
China does not just take foreign technology and sit idly by with it. They take foreign technology and use it to move their current capabilities ahead many years if not decades. Getting Zen is a similar effort. A professor of mine got to tour a manufacturer in China who had a contract to make motorcycle engines for a Japanese company, of course they were trained for Japan's tech and quality standards. Next door to the motorcycle engine factory was a construction project. The professor asked what was going up there. He was told that's our new automobile engine factory being built.
AMD won't get much money. They own 51% of the "front" company HMC that exists only to comply with the AMD/Intel agreement. HMC licenses the IP and sells the CPUs to the "real" company Hygon. Hygon has AMD's core IP and it is designing newer CPUs from it and its is presumably the company that will sell the CPUs to the market. In theory AMD has 30% of Hygon but within 5 years the manufacturing/sales ecosystem and accounting will be engineered so that neither HMC nor Hygon recognize much of the revenue, transfers/sales between HMC and Hygon at/near cost so profits can be booked elsewhere. 100% Chinese subcontractors and buyers of the CPUs will reap most of the profits. Basically the system will be engineered so that the knowledge is dispersed to various 100% companies and the revenue is recognized/booked at 100% companies. Not unlike how US companies engineer their accounting to avoid US taxes, so will things be engineered to keep the money in China. For AMD to get much out of the deal they would have to "invest" their revenue in a Chinese based R&D facility, in other words further train their future competitors.
Good luck Intel enforcing things in the developing world when these Chinese CPUs start showing up there for their domestic consumption. Ex, servers in India. HMC granted Hygon a license to AMD IP. The IP is beyond even AMDs superficial 51% ownership control. As if that mattered, the local CEO could sign a contract AMD disapproves of and their screwed, unable to claw it back, the contract perfectly legal locally, their 51% allowing them to do nothing beyond fire the CEO.
"Some money is better than no money", the logic of many companies that went to China and got played and royally screwed over. The fact that AMD is even playing such a dangerous game is a clear sign of their economic desperation.
No, slack capacity is irrelevant. Licensing core IP to China is doom. A Chinese controlled company is doing design work on the CPU. AMD has lost control of this IP.
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There's an excess of energy according to TFS and TFA. So what exactly are we wasting here?
What's wasted is the capacity to use that energy later, when it's needed.
Not really, the bitcoins can be used to buy someone else's excess when you are in need. :-)
Food preparation is not sport, its part of sustenance. Slaughtering livestock is an ordinary part of 10,000 years of farming.
If you have problems killing the pig it only tells me one thing. You haven't tasted farm raised bacon.
I think if a few more kids saw an animal being killed it would make a big difference)
Yes, there would be fewer vegetarians. It is only the hiding of the natural cycle of predation that causes some adults to be disgusted and turn vegetarian. Learning that we eat animals at a young age leads to more rational adults. Now some of these rational adults may still turn vegetarian but they will more likely be motivated by health aspects than squeamishness. Squeamishness is a result of being sheltered and separated from the realities of nature.
... no icky ... did I sit down at the table and think yummy. You bet I did.
Think of history for a moment, over the millennia of farming where young children saw fowl and livestock turned into dinner. What effect did that reality have on them? To go vegetarian, no. More likely is to be thinking "this is going to taste good" and they do their chore of plucking the chicken for Mom.
Hell, vegetarianism due to squeamishness is a very modern phenomena even in towns and cities. We are only a small number of decades removed from taking a whole chicken home for dinner. Plucked and partially processed but it still unmistakably looked like a chicken to any young children seeing it and Mom having to removed the inner organs was a common sight too. I recall seeing this at my Grandmother's. Did I want to stick my hands in there to remove the heart, liver, etc
Why is a cow's life worth more than a cute bunny's?
The same cute rabbit is called either a bunny or a frier depending only on the buyer's intent.
The full video, as opposed to the edited wikileaks video, show the journalists walking with armed insurgents. Its not indiscriminate when a guy near you has a RPG.
Apache helo pilots gunning for civilians and lying that they encountered a battle on the ground.
Actually the lies were wikileaks. They edited the video to remove the parts showing that the journalists were walking around an active combat zone with insurgents, where ground forces were factually engaged with other insurgents nearby.
The inventors will get rich selling to the Pentagon. What a tool for Drill Sergeants/Instructors during Basic Training / Boot Camp. No more guesswork as to what recruit's stress level may not be pegged at max.
And that 3rd party consumer data broker could just as easily hire a teenager with a modern phone at $5/hr to get the same information
Actually bail and repo guys are doing most of it. They have been cruising parking lots with license plate scanners for years. They find targets often enough to make this useful. They sell their data to brokers to offset their subscriptions to these brokers.
Mentioning ICE was just for clickbait. The system evolved out of private industry, specifically bail and repo guys recording plates, a central database emerging, bail and repo and then the government all subscribing to it. Local and state PD have been subscribing to the private database for a long time, various feds too, ICE is quite a small part of its use.
... the solution is to not shop there, encourage others to do the same, and let stores know why you won't shop there ...
Not its not. Most harvesting of license plate data is done by bail and repo guys. They have been cruising parking lots for many years now collecting data and selling it to these private brokers. This will happen in any parking lot. Anywhere has the possibility of logging.
Gut-Based Decisions
Nope, entirely empirically derived. Their javascript computer vision based AI app runs way too slow. Hardware is totally lagging behind software and holding things back.
If he distributed it electronically he might not get paid. After all, he is a thief, why would the new venture want him around? Better to steal from the thief and be done with him. Also no paper trail, or blockchain trail, of payment to him so there is some plausible deniability that the new venture was behind it, just a rouge working speculatively on his own..
What if it was a board or a program Xiaolang Zhang had worked on and spent hours coding and engineering?
It wasn't his. He was an employee. There's a tradeoff. You get a paycheck regardless of whether your work/project turns out to be commercially successful, you are not at risk, but you retain no ownership of your work.
You want to share in the upside? Go work for a startup, invest your life savings, invest the money of family and friends. Be at risk. Then you get ownership and the bounty if successful.
AMD will still be making chips long after x86 is forgotten. Just like they were long before it was invented.
Yes, and AMD will be a small fraction of its current size.
Intel didn't beat PPC because x86 was good. It was shit, that's why everyone until the end of the 90s ran on either proprietary ISAs or some Alpha and what not.
It was thought that x86 (cisc) was hitting a dead end, and that a shift to risc was necessary. PowerPC expected to outperform x86, "twice the performance at half the price". In reality, in general, PowerPC at the same clock rate of Intel was 20% faster. But Intel was able to crank up the clock rate to continually outperform PowerPC overall. This was totally unexpected. This was friggin miracle working. It may have taken an insane amount of work to pull this off, far more than what PowerPC was receiving, but Intel had such abundant resources and money. And yes, I know Intel is using a risc core to execute the micro-ops that x86 is translated into.
What helped Intel take off was AMD64.
That occurred (64-bit in the hands of consumers in non-trivial numbers) long after PowerPC's demise, even after its demise on Apple Macs. PowerPC had a brief chance but Apple killed it by not delivering CHRP. That magic box that would run both Windows and MacOS natively. We had the precursors to that, PREP, and there were commercially available WinNT4 PowerPC boxes, but no one cared. People who wanted performance went Alpha, people who wanted price stayed with Intel, there was no one left for PowerPC. Dual booting Windows and Mac OS might have worked. When Apple switch to Intel their sales basically doubled. That ancient barrier, having to choose PC or Mac, went away. People could have both in the same box.
If the Chinese want to build a Zen derivative, they have to copy also AMD's ASIC libraries and all their tools, they have to copy the exact same methodology used by TSMC or GF
And those cannot be stolen by a rogue employee? Look at a more recent slashdot story. An Apple employee downloaded circuit board designs for a driverless car onto a personal laptop and then immediately ran for the airport and a flight to China.
Everyone else needs a lot of billions and bleeding edge equipment, that is very easy to track if someone buys it.
And why is that a problem for a state owned entity?
A state where advanced US aircraft/weaponry designs get stolen and somehow find their way into their aircraft/weaponry.
Again, you have to keep in mind that catching up and surpassing the US is not some rouge CEO's fantasy, it is a goal of a power government. A government that AMD is partnering with.
I do not expect China to wait for AMD to provide the next generation design. I expect them to do their own design work too. They may use "partnerships" and industrial espionage to jump their capabilities ahead by many years but they also do their own independent research from that point as well. And they have engineering manpower to toss at the project too. Look at how Intel beat PowerPC, it wasn't that PowerPC itself failed to progress at a reasonable pace, it was more that Intel was able to take x86 farther than anyone imagined.
Regarding IP secured by encryption, consider we are speaking of the nation most adept and most practiced at industrial espionage.
Fab and packaging may be incredibly difficult to replicate but given industrial espionage and their internal engineering development talent I would not rule out progress. I expect them to make progress.
Were the US companies successful against a mom-and-pop operation, or where they successful against a state owned enterprise? That makes quite a bit of difference.
You presume a negotiation between equals. It was not. AMD may have smart lawyers but AMD was in a position of weakness and desperation when they embarked down this path in 2016.
The original article specifically states that AMD has licensed IP, x86 and SoC, for "chip development". AMD specifically says they expect them to "design" new products.
You argue that China doesn't currently have the technology to make a somewhat modern CPU. However you ignore that they are being trained and assisted by AMD to move down that path. China will not sit idly.
Even if all AMD is doing is getting some upfront money and preventing Intel from getting a foothold in China and India, that is good for AMD.
AMD is also preventing themselves from getting a foothold in China and India.
The current CPU is still basically Zen because it is the very first thing made. It will not stay this way for long. A company AMD does not control has already been licensed the IP and is enhancing it, do not be fooled by their 1.0.0 product. Also do not be foolish enough to think AMD will reap any great rewards. Profits will be realized/booked so that through financial engineering AMD's 51% majority and 30% minority shares will produce little. An ecosystem will evolve in the next few years where 100% Chinese owned subcontractors and buyers of finished CPUs will acquire nearly all the profit from these domestically manufactured CPUs.
AMD is doing nothing more than upgrading their future competition's current capabilities by many years and training them. In a few years they won't need AMD and the financial engineering will begin.
Are they going to spin off and begin creating x86 compatible processors, completely neglecting patents?
The AMD controlled company has already licensed the IP to the non-AMD controlled company. The non-AMD controlled company is also doing all the CPU design work. The AMD controlled company is just a front for compliance with the Intel/AMD agreement. It designs nothing, it sells nothing to the market, all that is done by the non-AMD controlled company. Again, a non-AMD controlled company that has a valid IP license according to Chinese law.
Hygon will not be content with Zen, Zen is just the starting point for them. AMD will lose more due to lost sales of AMD CPUs than they will gain from Hygon CPUs. The Hygon CPUs will not be complementary products, they will be substitute products. You are delusional if you think this is just a way to get another 5 years of sales out of Zen. Plus its delusional to think that AMD will be getting much of those Hygon CPU sales despite the ownership stakes. Profits will be diminished through financial engineering.
China does not just take foreign technology and sit idly by with it. They take foreign technology and use it to move their current capabilities ahead many years if not decades. Getting Zen is a similar effort. A professor of mine got to tour a manufacturer in China who had a contract to make motorcycle engines for a Japanese company, of course they were trained for Japan's tech and quality standards. Next door to the motorcycle engine factory was a construction project. The professor asked what was going up there. He was told that's our new automobile engine factory being built.
AMD won't get much money. They own 51% of the "front" company HMC that exists only to comply with the AMD/Intel agreement. HMC licenses the IP and sells the CPUs to the "real" company Hygon. Hygon has AMD's core IP and it is designing newer CPUs from it and its is presumably the company that will sell the CPUs to the market. In theory AMD has 30% of Hygon but within 5 years the manufacturing/sales ecosystem and accounting will be engineered so that neither HMC nor Hygon recognize much of the revenue, transfers/sales between HMC and Hygon at/near cost so profits can be booked elsewhere. 100% Chinese subcontractors and buyers of the CPUs will reap most of the profits. Basically the system will be engineered so that the knowledge is dispersed to various 100% companies and the revenue is recognized/booked at 100% companies. Not unlike how US companies engineer their accounting to avoid US taxes, so will things be engineered to keep the money in China. For AMD to get much out of the deal they would have to "invest" their revenue in a Chinese based R&D facility, in other words further train their future competitors.
Good luck Intel enforcing things in the developing world when these Chinese CPUs start showing up there for their domestic consumption. Ex, servers in India. HMC granted Hygon a license to AMD IP. The IP is beyond even AMDs superficial 51% ownership control. As if that mattered, the local CEO could sign a contract AMD disapproves of and their screwed, unable to claw it back, the contract perfectly legal locally, their 51% allowing them to do nothing beyond fire the CEO.
"Some money is better than no money", the logic of many companies that went to China and got played and royally screwed over. The fact that AMD is even playing such a dangerous game is a clear sign of their economic desperation.
No, slack capacity is irrelevant. Licensing core IP to China is doom. A Chinese controlled company is doing design work on the CPU. AMD has lost control of this IP.