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Malls In California Are Sending License Plate Information To ICE (theweek.com)
Presto Vivace shares a report from The Week with the caption, "And they wonder why some of us prefer to shop online." From the report: Surveillance systems at more than 46 malls in California are capturing license plate information that is fed to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Electronic Frontier Foundation reported Tuesday. One company, Irvine Company Retail Properties, operates malls all over the state using a security network called Vigilant Solutions. Vigilant shares data with hundreds of law enforcement agencies, insurance companies, and debt collectors -- including ICE, which signed a contract with the security company earlier this year, reports The Verge. "[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk, but invading the privacy of its customers by allowing a third-party to hold onto their data indefinitely," EFF wrote in its report, urging the chain of malls to stop providing information to ICE.
Really? You have a State Issued ID that MUST be affixed to your car, and you are willfully driving it and PARKING IT in public view, on private property. And that is invading privacy?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Solution: Do not come here illegally.
Illegal == Criminal.
They are not meant to be here and are actively breaking the law.
They should be turned over to the authorities like any other criminal.
Yes, it IS that simple.
ICE, ICE baby.
A way to help get rid of criminals smuggling themselves into a country, but also protect privacy, perhaps there should be some middle party, or reverse flow of information - e.g. list of all LEGAL plates (without any personal information with them!) and if you spot a car NOT on then list, THEN you can call help to apprehend illegals.
Thank you for your work.
Thank you for doing your part. Illegals are illegal! They need to leave.
I think that's a great idea.
I mean, those damned spacecraft really mess up my Wifi. You'd think an advanced civilization would have things cleaned up a bit.
Thanks for the tip.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Since malls are dying, I guess the problem will eventually solve itself. Thanks Amazon.
Here to the US.
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Why defend Illegal Immigration?
or speaks something that is not English
I hope this is a joke- no one is that foolish. If you call every time you hear someone speaking a foreign language you're wasting ICE's time. Tourists, visas, legal immigrants... plenty of people don't speak English in this country for many legitimate reasons. Heck, sometimes I don't speak English.
If you're reporting everyone that doesn't speak English- you'll pretty quickly find yourself in hot water with ICE for wasting their time.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Welcome to America. Shopping centers have been sending plate info to federal agencies for years.
FBI, for potential wanted criminals.
Going to a gun show? Your plate numbers will be sent to BATFE and the FBI.
And so on.
This is just one more government agency. That they're doing their job, the job they were ordered to do during the Obama administration but never got around to doing. I hope they continue doing their jobs to their best of their ability and remove even more people violating the laws of our country.
Coming to the United States of America isn't some sort of God-given universal right for everyone under the sun. We have borders for a reason--to keep out exactly the sort of criminals coming here. They aren't sending doctors, lawyers, and engineers up here--they're sending a mob of unemployed poor (so called "refugees" are more aptly named "economic migrants" who come here specifically to get on welfare) and criminals (MS13, to name one such group).
There is a legal process to get into the country--and while it takes time and some money, it does work. If you do not go through the process of entering legally, you are here illegally--thus, an illegal alien. You have no protections or rights under the US Constitution, at all.
Border Patrol's job is to patrol the borders and keep them out there. The job of ICE is to patrol the interior of the country, find them where they've gone to ground, and remove them.
Cops scan license plates all the time to find crooks. Stores use cameras. Casinos profile faces to stop card counters. No issue here, illegals are illegal and therefore crooks.
Does anybody believe only one real estate corporation is giving away or selling this kind of information? I don't have any legal problems, but I resent being spied on.
So thanks for giving me one more good reason not to visit the US. I'll just spend my money right here in Canada, where at least some pathetic vestiges of actual freedom still survive.
I've calculated my velocity with such exquisite precision that I have no idea where I am.
There is no need to display your licence number when on private property, so a dash activated hinged flap could be used to hide plate data. They could snap plate data on the way into the mall, but that could involve placing the camera on someone else's private property - who might decline permission.
That said, I do not mind plate scanners being use to find stolen cars or payment defaulted cars (3 months arrears minimum)
My wife is an immigrant, is she at risk?
[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk
No, they're not endangering anybody, which is the implication. They're making it more likely that ILLEGAL immigrants will be caught. There's a choice that they can make, which is not enter the country illegally.
I have friends who are illegal immigrants. It's difficult and I don't blame them for being here. But they know the risk that they take by even being here, and they've decided it's worth it for their kids to grow up here instead of the home country (which is a complete shithole, not the fault of the US).
The left will only continue to hurt themselves by trying to conflate legal immigration with illegal immigration. "Immigrants" don't have anything to worry about unless they're also "illegal".
Do you have ESP?
So basically you are reporting to ICE many legal immigrants and temporary residents too. How does that help?, or youâ(TM)re just against any immigration and take pleasure on making any immigrants life hard?
BTW, by giving information like this without any hard data of peopleâ(TM)s legal status youâ(TM)re just making ICE work harder too, they probably ignore many real reports due to the amount of noise they have from reports like yours.
Democrats who want to abolish ICE are literally handing Donald Trump his reelection on a silver platter.
Let's not enforce any border laws and let's see how that turns out. Idiots.
The best t-shirt I ever saw said something like this (probably not verbatim):
Se vi parolas du lingvojn, vi estas dulingva.
Se vi parolas tri lingvojn vi estas trilingva.
Se vi parolas unu lingvon vi estas usona
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Are license plates linked to illegal immigrants somehow? How do they even do that? Do illegals buy cars under their names and register with DMV with illegal license plates and shop at malls in Irvine?
Unless you are a criminal, ICE really doesn't have any standing to hassle you if you have a Green Card. If you are a criminal, then you are by law subject to potential deportation.
Once you have become an actual immigrant, and are no longer "just visiting", then ICE no longer has any jurisdiction over you.
Data collection, aggregation, and distribution has been a thing for a long time now. It really has nothing to do with the tribal partisan hysteria du jour.
It's much like the INS in this regard.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
So basically anytime you see someone who is Latino or is speaking Spanish, you assume they're an illegal alien and report them to ICE? Because citizens have to look like you and speak English to be citizens?
Also, since when did the Slashdot crowd become fans of big government and surveillance?
My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
It's nice that the link to the actual story on eff.org is linked from the summary, but the fact is that the post on theweek added absolutely zero information to the story, and the eff.org link is the only one we need.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I think I'll paint my license plate black in protest
I think you are a bit slow on the uptake. Imagine if *everyone* constantly reported everyone who looks like a foreign national to ICE.
Think about it a bit.
You must be seriously choking on that bullshit. Great again? When all of the illegals are gone, your problems are still there and then you will have no one else to blame but your âgreat wasnâ(TM)t MY implementation of greatâ(TM).
Police have been scanning plates for years, so if you're on the run, back in to a parking space (and take off that front plate if you have one).
RRK
A lot of the time I go into a store, people are speaking Spanish. Some of them probably are illegal, but many aren't. Including the cashier/teller who speaks it right back to them.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
If it were any other state, I would be less sure. California seems highly permissive and tolerant of illegals. That might actually work to the benefit of ICE here. Instead of being more underground, illegals might be more out in the open and easier to identify.
Also, ICE may be aware of the offending cars regardless of what shenanigans may have occurred to register them. That's really the explanation that makes most sense.
"Fishing" through this data probably is not terribly feasible.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Heard a variant on that jokHeard a variant on that joke before, but had never seen it in Esperanto.e before, but had never seen it in Esperanto.
Every day I wake up I thank God for having left US and go put my money somewhere else, in other better and blessed places.
What a country US, suppressing freedom and still misleading its citizens into thinking they have any. Good luck with that.
Get a DL or anything regarded for a vehicle purchases in CA is extremely easy since they don't want to tell anyone no
This isn't putting "immigrants" at risk. It is putting "criminals" at risk of being caught and held accountable for their crimes, as they should be.
> if you have a Green Card.
If you have a green card, you're not an illegal alien.
Thus this topic is not about you.
Why do some of you try so hard to conflate legal immigrants with illegal immigrants so much ?
"Not to mention all the idiots who use words like boxen."
Anonymous Coward on Monday August 04, @06:49PM
I saw what you did there you big goof.
He's a troll. Look at his comment history.
At least he's doing it right.
You must not share this kind of data with anyone. Period.
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thanks, I am now to going to use a voice synthesizer and burner numbers to bombard ICE with an overwhelming amount of false information.
Your move fascist pig
Geez, clipboard fail, but you get the idea.
No you are wrong. The ACLU says it is putting ALL immigrants at risk not just Illegal Aliens- see right there >> "[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk, but"
Getting really tired of lazy people dropping the illegal part off of Immigrant .
The entire history of the name discovered starts and stops in CA with that license plate. Every other part on illegal migrants interaction with the USA state/federal gov goes back to that illegal migrants document in CA.
Kind of stands out as a pattern to every other citizen and person in the USA legally.
Real people have a passport, visa, insurance, education, tax. That of a citizen, starts legally as a non citizen allowed to be in the USA.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
lots of ppl in America do not speak english.
While I believe in enforcing our laws (including the ones about presidents that are traitors or businesses that hire illegal), you are accomplishing little to nothing.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Heard a variant on that jokHeard a variant on that joke before, but had never seen it in Esperanto.e before, but had never seen it in Esperanto.
Yeah, I have too; seeing it in Esperanto, in America was more amusing though knowing that 99.9% of the people who saw the t-shirt would have no idea of what it said.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
How about while all you libs help them break the law just let them live with you. Give them free reign in your homes, access to your cars, get them vacinated on YOUR dime, etc. Quit dumping the costs of your decision on the rest of us. Pay their way through college...come on. How committed are you to this felony?? Put your money, home, family etc on the line. You are the real coward...
I wonder if anyone would report someone wearing that as an illegal alien. LOL!
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Ive been sending license plate data to ICE for about a year now. Every time I see someone who doesn't look like a citizen or speaks something that is not English, I then forward everything possible to ICE. You should too.
Remember folks: See something say something
If you would like to report illegal aliens, please call Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) at 1-866-DHS-2ICE (347-2423). They will need to know names, locations (either work place or residence) and any other specific information you can provide. For more information, please visit www.ice.gov.
You're a piece of human shit.
"[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk...
Illegal immigrants. The "risk" being deportation which is the legal penalty for entering this country illegally, i.e. the appropriate response. The implication from their statement is that the EFF is seemingly in favor of lawlessness.
Of course most malls are really suffering, especially those that haven't moved towards food and entertainment as anchor activities. But some have special problems. One of ours, in the DC 'burbs, has essentially become an MS-13 clubhouse. Those remaining shoppers inclined to actually set foot in a mall to shop completely avoid the place during long periods of the evening, because the gang presence is so tangible. Rampant crimes including much worse than just property theft. The county police have essentially turned the mall into a substation, and that's only scratched the surface of the problem. To the extent that ICE can be aware that one of the repeat criminal deportees they're trying to once again lay hands on is routinely setting up shop in a particular stronghold, great. The local PD doesn't like to mix it up with those clowns because MS-13 knows where they live, where their kids go to school, etc. Bring on the feds to sweep.
Of course, the Democrats thinks we should get rid of ICE, because arresting guys like that is something Trump thinks is good, and therefore it must be opposed no matter what.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
FTFY
This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
they lobby to put cameras on garbage trucks, try to get cameras on "gig economy" vehicles, to track plates for years. they snag plates and tell you its all about making sure your State gets every possible drop of sweet, sweet license renewal fees to pay for "your" social guilt. So you ignore the surveillance failures. Then when they start tracking every legal but currently politically "inconvenient" activity like gun range attendees, and admit to giving that to every law enforcement agency possible, they tell you it's "to track stolen cars" and "find illegal guns" you accept it because it's "your" politician who pushed for the revenue generator and you would never admit to anything wrong in your cult of personality politics, plus you enjoy the intimidation of your opponents.
But now someone says, hey, it's being sent to find actual lawbreakers! ones your guilty white heart thinks it needs to "save". so NOW you complain about it, create a hashtag movement, and perhaps the wealthiest among you decide to have your pet politician to put a restriction on just sending this to ICE, and you'll all sit back and pat yourselves on the back, while tacitly allowing the abuses you find convenient to continue.
Then what are you doing in our land? Please self deport yourself to Europe, where you people belong.
Signed,
An Indigenous Native of the Americas
If this were an online activity, it would be blatantly illegal under the GDPR, because it: 1) Collects permanent, personal identifying data (license plate number) 2) Does not allow the user to opt out 3) Is not relevant to providing the user with a service (shopping) 4) Retains the data indefinitely. Should they be allowed to do this just because it is private property? Websites are privately owned too, but they are required to comply with GDPR.
I felt bad for the man who had no signature, until I met a man who had no comment.
How is he a traitor? You're just an idiot.
Wouldn't that make them agents of the state and make the blanket surveillance a 4th amendment issue?
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
why is this concept so hard to understand!
I wonder if anyone would report someone wearing that as an illegal alien. LOL!
Deport them back to Esperanta-Lando!
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
And they wonder why some of us prefer to shop online.
What makes you think the Delivery truck or person/drone walking up your driveway isn't equipped with a camera equipped with GPS, and/or footage won't be submitted to license plate recognition software, and shared with any Law Enforcement agency willing to pay for access to the shared database of License Plate/GPS locations?
Shoot... if ICE is willing to pay enough revenue for license plate data, they could probably convince Meter readers working for the Gas and Power companies to don a camera for a little extra $$$ on the side.
Being kind of ignorant about these things but how does one go about getting a state issued licensed place without establishing identity? how is it possible to establish identity without establishing place of birth and legal citizenship status?
Sounds like a neat trick to know, just in case I ever need it.
âoeTolerance applies only to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies only to truth, but never to persons.
> if you have a Green Card.
If you have a green card, you're not an illegal alien.
Thus this topic is not about you.
Why do some of you try so hard to conflate legal immigrants with illegal immigrants so much ?
Because when law enforcement get overzealous- a lot of legal immigrants end up arrested if they can't immediately prove their immigration status.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
Even as Poe's Law goes, this one's a toughie.
anyplace in the World ......99.9% of the people who saw the t-shirt would have no idea of what it said.
There, FIFY
Womp womp ;)
They put themselves at risk when they decided to come here illegally
"Born in East LA" is a comedy, not a documentary
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
My position is similar; if you're choosing to go out into public for an elective activity (not compelled by the government, e.g. going to court) then you're willfully broadcasting every pixel that you show and every thing that you do. And if you're concerned about that, you can take countermeasures, though it can be inconvenient.
I think it's important to draw the line between private and public correctly, because as soon as things cross over into private, we need to defend ourselves zealously and not after having massively undermined our credibility on privacy. When things get to the point where I'm complaining, I want to be taken seriously instead of being accused of crying wolf yet again for the 400th time. That's why I have to take the above position, which extends to the Internet too (if you're sending plaintext over the internet, you have no reasonable expectation that someone isn't reading it, and indeed, it's much more reasonable to predict that some unknown person will read it).
But...
One of the most popular of the "countermeasures" that I mentioned above is a form of security-through-obscurity, where people think of themselves as anonymous simply because they aren't doing anything to attract attention. And make no mistake, this countermeasure's effectiveness is eroding. Who would have guessed 20 years ago (much less 220 years ago) that there would be financial incentive for enterprising young chaps to actively go out and figure out what everyone is up to, even when those people who are behaving in a "boring" manner?
Mall wants parking lot surveillance to deter car crime so that people remain willing to go to the mall. So they hire someone do to that. That someone realizes they are acquiring information worth selling, whether it's to law enforcement, marketing, or whatever. There's obviously a market for this mundane information.
That wasn't the case when the Bill of Rights was being written. Had it been the case, would the founders have cared?
I think they would have. The fourth amendment was written when the town square wasn't private, but really, nearly anywhere else was, as long as you looked around and determined that nobody was peeking. You should be able to fuck in some random forest, as long as you do a quick modest look-around first.
If we're going to extend privacy expectations to certain public areas, though, I don't know how to do it in a rational manner where we don't undermine the whole thing. This is someone else's parking lot that we're talking about here. It's theirs, and they didn't try to deceive you into believing it's a private place. The cameras are almost certainly visible and I wouldn't be surprised if there are even signs calling attention to the cameras. It's really hard to credibly accuse them of acting in bad faith, even if it's a bit dickish that your car's occupants might start getting more targeted ads, or get pointed out to LE, or whatever.
These parking lots are much more town square-like than it is forest-like. Can someone make a case for people-not-attracting-attention in parking lots (and on roads?) being protected without totally ruining privacy by foolhardily trying to extend it to the town square?
Because if you ever say someone shouting in the town square deserves privacy, that's total bullshit and I can't let you attack privacy like that. We need to be able to see and discuss truly public things, if for no other reason than to criticize our government. (And there are actually plenty of other reasons we all want that.) So someone, persuade me that the parking lot isn't truly public.
Our problem IS the illegals. It will literally be gone when they are gone.
That would stop if there were no longer people here illegally.
How can you be so fucking stupid?
I don't know how it is in the people's socialist republic of California,
If you want to talk about issues relating to motor vehicles, you probably should. We have the most drivers, the most vehicles, the second-most miles of road, and the most road miles traveled by vehicles per year.
It's not a RIGHT, but a privilege, and has restrictions.
It ought to be a right since the federal government aided the auto companies in shutting down useful and even profitable public transportation systems.
Plus, unless you came here LEGALLY, you are NOT an immigrant, you are an ILLEGAL ALIEN and should be stopped, arrested and deported.
Illegal immigrants contribute substantially to America's economy. We need them here to do the jobs that Americans don't want to do, until the robots are capable of doing those jobs. Then the elite won't need the immigrants or you, and you will be momentarily embarrassed that you've been jerking them off all your life, and then you will be dead.
But, in the people's socialist republic of California, there are NO laws.
The people's socialist republic of California operates at a surplus, which is a good thing, because we are one of the states that gets raped hardest for tax money. Meanwhile, Missouri is one of the states which provides the least return on investment. In short, we here in commiefornia are footing the bill for your lifestyle. But go ahead and cry your white snowflake tears about brown people who contribute more to the nation than you do...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
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That's fine, ICE probably tagged you as "that nutjob who calls in every single brown person" early on, and now puts your calls on speaker phone for everyone at the office to laugh at while miming funny actions. Your tying up of the phone lines is more likely preventing actually "helpful" information from coming in at this point.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
"putting not only immigrants at risk"
Truthfully, "putting not only law breaking illegal entrants at risk"
The trouble is that these traits are what define "greatness" to about a quarter to a third of Americans.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
You're right. Except......
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/civil-wars/articles/2018-01-05/the-trump-administration-now-targeting-legal-immigrants
Mr. Hu is not a ninja.
All those people worried about the arrival of the surveillance state can relax.
It's already here.
You think standing matters to ICE or Border Patrol?
How credulous can you be?
You mean the people who are here ILLEGALLY, breaking the law?
You all know ICE only deals with immigration enforcement, right?
The thing that baffles me is, who on earth assumed the entire federal government wasn't getting mall video feeds for years now anyway?
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Anybody can walk up to your car and take a picture of your license plate. I'm pretty sure the DMV and your insurance company also have it on file, and your insurance company may very well have offered that info to third parties. The parking lot security cameras probably also recorded it. This is the biggest nothing burger of the day, if it's even true. Yawn. I've lived in border states my entire life. The number of people I've seen being dragged out of homes is zero.
Another home run, SlashDot. /s
Esperanto is a non-evolved, made up language that should be banished.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
It will take a few generations, but now that we're banning abortion, I'm sure the American people can make up the lack of population.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
Ok, I'll bite: Why? What would I get out of this?
Will you pay me?
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
It is easy. Try it!
Speak English in America, or you might get deported.
Oh, wait--this is not a deterrent. This is part of legitimate law enforcement and won't be abused.
Certainly not an intimidation tactic to get the "undesirable" element off of Irvine Company's properties.
BTW, didja hear Trump's answer to the federal kidnapping program?
“Tell people not to come to our country illegally,” Trump told reporters. “That’s the solution.
But, again, it's not a deterrent. Believe me.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
Esperanto is a non-evolved, made up language that should be banished.
There are a couple of former world leaders who agreed with you. Hitler and Stalin both imprisoned people for speaking Esperanto.
"That's the way to do it" - Punch
You misspelled "instruction manual".
Cheap storage VM.
" is putting not only immigrants at risk"
How is this putting immigrants at risk?
Coder's Stone: The programming language quick ref for iPad
Young American girls are snatched up from malls by, you guessed it, people who are not legally here more often than not for the purpose of forcing them into the sex trade. Coastal areas are prime places to do this because they can easily placed on ships and moved to another country. But libs don't care, they want more rights for non-citizens because it's the only way they can get votes.
Not that I actually believe you, but you gave me an idea. We should all call ICE and flood them with false information, just for the fun of making them waste their time and to counter assholes like you.
Someone steals something. Cops or vigilantes shoot you in the face, even though you had nothing to do with the crime at all. And while they're digging the bullet out of your brain, it occurs to you: don't steal, problem solved!
Let me guess how you figured this out.. the bullet is still in there, isn't it?
What other problems have you supplied good solutions to? I think someone needs to double-check your work, just in case...
"Believe me!" -- Donald Trump
The Americana at Brand in Glendale CA takes the driver's picture when the driver takes the parking ticket when entering the mall parking lot.
How does this have any impact on immigrants? Oh, you mean immigrants who broke the law to come here. It puts them at risk. I suppose you give no thought or regard to the risk posed by those who choose to ignore our laws. How about the overburdened social systems, the veterans who can't get help because the state is broke, the uninsured motorists who drink and drive and turn right around and buy another $500 car? Some of us have had our fill of this nonsense. We're sick of the lack of respect for our country.
No, no they are not. Nobody is trying to establish policies that will prevent laws against gang violence from being enforced. So that's a lie.
Pelosi is. She is one of the top 2 people in the DNC and no one in the DNC is opposing her.
Pelosi is also running on reversing Trump tax cuts, which have put black unemployment at historic record lows. She knows this will hurt blacks.
So your DNC leader appears to be a racist bigot that hates blacks, and supports MS-13 murders over US citizens. Kate Steinle was shot and killed by an illegal with a long record in Pelosi's district. He is not in jail, not deported, and faces no legal consequences at all. I have yet to hear Pelosi say anything about how wrong this in, in fact she has opposed laws that would prevent it from happening again.
So you lied, once again. Its trivial to prove you lied as well. You can't even pass it off as some mayor of a tiny city, its the #2 of the DNC doing it.
DNC hats blacks and US citizens. They have basically declared war on US citizens. I'm not sure what it would take for you to not support them, but I guess if you too are a bigot, it makes sense.
I am very understanding of companies who receive court orders to provide data to the government. There are very steep penalties for failure to comply and legal costs for challenging a request.
These companies who willing join the state surveillance apparatus are a different matter entirely. Corporate data aggregation is bad enough on its, but spying for profit is simply degenerate.
These people are scum, and I would boycott them if I did any business with them in the first place.
Yeah, I have too; seeing it in Esperanto, in America was more amusing though knowing that 99.9% of the people who saw the t-shirt would have no idea of what it said.
I presume anybody who has any exposure to a romance language (e.g. Spanish) would know, which is a lot of people.
It's pretty clear to me with my limited knowledge of French.
So theoretically it's public information. IANAL but it seems legal.
I don't think the laws have really caught up with technology, as it is now possible to infer private information through careful collection of public data.
Also your average person doesn't give a shit about personal privacy, and will continue to shop at malls that do this. As long as we behave like we're OK with it, it will continue to occur.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
but who goes to shopping malls now days? Just another reason not go to the mall. FTP.
Lol. Just because you can't speak another language, doesn't mean rest of us Americans don't speak. Please keep your bigotry to yourself.
It's common sense to have the nation speak a common language, not bigotry. Please keep your name calling to yourself.
Speak English in America, or you might get deported.
What if you speak Cherokee?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
The intelligence world in America and Europe have listened to ppl in his admin (possibly him) cutting deals with russian spies.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
And they wonder why some of us prefer to shop online.
I'd like to point out: you're tracked even more so when you shop online. At least shopping in person, you can pay cash and have no tracking of your purchase.
ICE has deported citizens, people born in the United States. This is not an anomaly, ICE detains citizens for deportation several hundred times a year. Because you are not afforded a lawyer during a deportation hearing, the onus is on you to prove you are a citizen. Good luck when you are locked up in a detention facility far from home.
We had an incident a few months back were ICE stopped two citizens because they were speaking Spanish.
""[Irvine Company] is putting not only immigrants at risk, but invading the privacy of its customers by allowing a third-party to hold onto their data indefinitely,"
That makes absolutely no sense. EFF has gone full retard. Immigrants are just fine. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, which are very different, may get arrested but that is just a part of them breaking the law they have to deal with daily.
LOL. How the left tries to spin everything as evil. So let's assume that you're license plate is scanned and set to ICE. But then it is disguarded as you aren't here illegally Some invasion. You give away more information just reading this posting. You probably don't know that the next time you drive your car ANYWHERE that someone is scanning your plates and recording it. Both government and non-government. I won't spend my time educating the foolish. Go back to F-book and cry a river about your privacy there. Or better yet, use an Android device and NOT change all of the places that Google defaults the DNS servers to 8.8.8.8 so that they know all about you.
Robbed at knife point. Don't you want the police to have a list of prospects?
Beats the hell out of me, since this abuse is so overshadowed by the fact that most of the victims are US citizens. Everyone's license plate is being scanned at these malls and sent to the government, aren't they? Surely the mall has no clue about the residential status of each registered owner (which might be the driver or at least one of the passenger).
It's pretty nutty that people are even bothering to bring up immigrants at all. I'm not saying immigrants should be denied justice, but holy shit. I don't care if you're a legal immigrant or an illegal one, you will fucking get in line behind US citizens when it's time to stone the people to death who got caught doing this. We get first throw. I hope the president decides to bomb ICE back to the stone age, as a lesson to anyone else who ever targets America like this.
Unless you are a criminal, ICE really doesn't have any standing to hassle you
Do you follow the news at all? ICE agents harass people on a regular basis, whether they are US citizens or not. They can stop you and search your vehicle at any time if you’re within a certain distance of any border (including the entire east and west coast), as well as a certain distance of an international airport. They can stop and search something like 95% of the US population at any time under the current rules that they operate under. Even the ACLU talks about it though they erroneously omit international airports as a port of entry.
... the solution is to not shop there, encourage others to do the same, and let stores know why you won't shop there ...
Not its not. Most harvesting of license plate data is done by bail and repo guys. They have been cruising parking lots for many years now collecting data and selling it to these private brokers. This will happen in any parking lot. Anywhere has the possibility of logging.
Mentioning ICE was just for clickbait. The system evolved out of private industry, specifically bail and repo guys recording plates, a central database emerging, bail and repo and then the government all subscribing to it. Local and state PD have been subscribing to the private database for a long time, various feds too, ICE is quite a small part of its use.
Law enforcement has been known to cruise the parking lot at gun shows and copy down license plate numbers. Targetting citizens engaged in a completely lawful activity. The usual crowd of "civil liberty" organizations didn't make a peep about it.
It seems that most people don't mind an authoritarian government, as long as it's pointed at someone they don't like.
Print up a bunch of signs with actual license plate images on them, and plant them around town, so those cars appear to be all over.
Also, I wonder if the scanners are programmed to avoid a buffer overflow attack? A 200-character plate number might be a fun experiment
Or is it Illegals that are at risk? My grandfather was a legal immigrant. Don't put him in the same category as those who come to this country illegally.
Objection, assuming facts not in evidence.
And whats with the collective punishment thing, didn't that go out of style?
I will never visit one again for the rest of my life.
People will often excuse government mandated plates as being some sort of necessity for safety reasons all the while failing to recognize that was never the intended purpose of drivers licenses in the first place nor has it rid our roads of dangerous drivers. License plates are similarly stupid for a variety of reasons even if they once had a useful function. You see in the case of drivers licenses all you have done is checked that a person is capable of passing a simple driving test rather than checked how well they actually drive in the real world. Accidents are the result of inexperience and/or people being stupid not for a lack of ability. China has much stricter driving tests and yet the number of really poor drivers on the roads is significantly greater. Texting while driving, not paying attention, etc. A driving test won't keep unsafe drivers off the road. Increasing the driving age also doesn't work because you simply end up with older inexperienced drivers. Now you can say we have fewer accidents, which may be true, but we also have fewer drivers on the road as a result, which also they fail to take into account. People who are stupid or misleading buy into this idea we just need to raise the driving age and this results in ever increasing age before young people are permitted to drive.
License plates are equally stupid in an era where there are automatic number plate recognition systems from a privacy perspective. But what I consider to be the danger here is not private entities- but rather it opens a future government to abusing the citizenry. I do think the population at large has a right to film in public, but I don't think the government necessarily has the right to monitor the public at large. Nor does the government retain a significant justification over the vehicle theft argument when there are non-governmental solutions available to these problems. From GPS monitoring devices to anti-theft systems. The right of all people to travel anywhere they choose within is also compromised as the majority of the country is not reachable by any sort of public transit system or even via walking or other means. The protections and rights are not exclusive to a select group of people who have the money, means, and desire to comply with arbitrary court rulings and laws. The rights of everyone are suppose to be above the laws passed and safety should never be an acceptable excuse to negate those rights.
a lot of anti-immigration is down to bigotry
Wrong. Here in Colorado, an illegal immigrant recently started a large wildfire. It turns out JesperJorgensen is from Denmark and has lily-white skin. That doesn't matter one bit to the anti-illegal-immigrant crowd; we want him gone just as badly as if he were a non-white person. Race/ethnicity has nothing to do with it.
Some people constantly promote the false narrative that the anti-illegal-immigrant crowd is a bunch of racists; they hate cases like JesperJorgensen's, which prove that it's not about race at all.
They are punishing those involved. These ppl were seen and heard dealing criminally with Russians.
...and I say if you are looking for illegal aliens, there are much better places to look for them than malls.
Sure they have...
http://fidelitydiary.com/email-indias-selfie-obsession-hits-new-low-as-man-takes-picture-in-front-of-dying-road-accident-victims/
...just like any Soviet country where anybody might be a rat, even your neighbor or your kids. And it didn't matter if the allegations were true. It's already starting to work the same way here in the US.
That's amazingly evil. The guy who made that must have a tracking motive from the Gov or some where else.
The 2010's will be known for humans using technology for evil and causing all citizens to cower and become un-creative.
So, we have a ton of illegals in CA, and now they don't want to be found. Of course, since the dawn of time, criminals have wanted to do their illegal acts without consequence. CA is as close to the criminal nirvana as anywhere, but there are limits. There is no privacy when you are in public, and checking your license is find. I hope a ton of illegals are found and captured.
Did anyone bother reading the posted TOS of the Mall's parking lot? It specifically says that while on the lot any gathered data is property of the mall and by using the lot you agree to let them monetize it however they see fit.
lol
Mexican woman hit my Son's truck, it was FIVE DAYS OLD in the parking lot. $95,000 truck. Pulled that no english shit on him, he called the cops. No license, no documents, not a US Citizen, no insurance, nothing. Where it was hit was in Virginia in one of those sanctuary places. They should have taken her to jail like they did when an illegal hit my car two decades ago not far from where this happened. I never saw a dime from that one either. At least she was deported. The estimate for this repair is $5,400. She hit him with a Lincoln Navigator and they let her go. We're sure she'll never show up again.
Why are we putting up with this? So Democrats can get a few more votes? Another friend of mine was sliced up by MS13. They used a machete. No one seems to know who did it. This is insanity. They don't care about us, do whatever they want and they're getting away with it. They're turning the US into a third world country. Wake up people, if you want the US to still be the US, we must send these people back. Otherwise you can look forward to vandalism, crime, rape, murder. When it happens to your friends, your wife, don't say you weren't warned. The real bad ones aren't from Mexico by the way. They're from war torn places in South America below Mexico. They think the guy that sliced up my friend was from Guatemala. Still at large. They grew up with people being killed all around them. They think they should do the same thing here.
Child trafficking, sex trafficking, etc. Just let it happen?
I'm no lawyer, but I wonder, what if you make up a custom license plate frame, copyright it or trademark it or whatever, then when they snag a picture of your plate and the frame is in it, and that picture is then sold for profit. . . Kind of like doing up a video for YouTube and forgetting that you have your favorite radio station on in the background.
It's still never too late to do the right thing.
America, land of the free......
GDPR-using countries have repeatedly ruled that license plates are personally identifying information.
California now has its own version of GDPR.
A quick summary of the rules is that PII-type data is only used for purposes relevant to the business operation, is not retained longer than necessary and is NOT passed to 3rd parties without explicit _written_ consent - signs at the parking entrance don't cut it.
Who wants to buy some popcorn shares?
Straw man.
At that point law enforcement can request the footage - and will need to, in order to trace paths and see _which_ vehicles are involved (if any, the perp may have arrived/left on foot) and what the registrations are. Only then do they have cause to lookup the registration.
"Collect the usual suspects" is fine if you live in a stratified, biased plutocracy with an aggressive paramiltary police force working on the presumption that "XYZ done it" before they even set foot out of the police station door, don't actually care about catching the actual perpetrator and are prone to doling out extrajudicial executions like some south american shithole of old. But then again if you live in the USA the evidence is increasingly clear that's exactly the kind of society that you do live in, just with a slightly shinier veneer than most.
"California seems highly permissive and tolerant of illegals"
California (and a number of other states) used to be part of Mexico until it was forcibly taken by the USA in a war that Mexico didn't start. It was Mexican for a LOT longer than it's been part of the USA and it has a widespread Mexican heritage.
Bear that in mind when you start talking about "illegal migrants". There's a prevailing view amongst many that the label should be applied to the WASPs.
Law enforcement must get a search warrant?
Some plaintiff customer could get a restraining order?
I already had simmering discontent about government overreach. No surprise about ICE and other law enforcement. Headline makes a big deal about ICE but I just assumed it is already happening. My new outrage is about debt collectors and insurance agencies.