I'm just curious; how does the visual quality stand up I wonder? I always thought OpenGL didn't have the same amount of features that Direct3D does.. Can someone here speak to that?
I really wish people would look objectively at windows 8 and stop just repeating the things others have said.
Everyone keeps saying it's enormously different, but here's the truth, other than a ton of reported efficiency improvements under the covers, there's one change that everyone is up in arms about:
The start menu was replaced. Oooo scaarrry... That's the only UI change. Just one, and somehow people act like this OS is so far removed from windows as we know it.
Here's the truth: If you don't think someone is going to have a program out that behaves identical to the current start menu right when windows 8 comes out, you're fooling yourself. It will probably even be better as it will likely be open source and community driven giving even greater customization if you want. Moreover, half of you play around in different window managers whenever you feel like which causes major UI changes. So slashdotters are the last ones that should be griping. Heck, by creating a simple folder menu on your task bar that points to your desktop or wherever else you keep your shortcuts (there's probably still a start menu folder you could just point it at) you can just recreate the same behavior you're used to.
Now the other side of the truth: For non-technical folks like us who aren't extremely tied to their start menu and probably find the menu driven behavior less preferable to their desktop's behavior for choosing items (as icon driven interfaces have by apple been shown to be more usable by the masses), the new start menu is likely quite preferable.
Given that technical folks like us will adjust almost immediately, and chances are the general population will by my wager like the new behavior more (so long as they can avoid their perceptions being tainted by the constant microsoft-is-for-idiots meme), I am going to go out on a limb and say Windows 8 will probably be an extremely successful operating system. There is now one caveat however; there are a fairly significant amount of changes under the covers I am to understand, so as long as they haven't compromised compatibility and stability, I think they'll be in great standing. I suppose only other caveat: The javascript on the desktop as applications approach may result in some horrible programs written for windows 8 that taints people's view of the overall OS.
Now quit spewing what everyone (including me) says, and go read about/try windows 8 yourselves. And longer than just opening the start menu to shout "NO!" and uninstalling it like so many windows->linux converts do. As for the claims of "Shill!", good for you; you are capable of identifying all somewhat positive statements about a thing as being clearly false marketing. Hypocrite, you probably said something good about yourself once. Sucker.
As a developer, if I need to take after-hours support calls short of "the server burned down, we'll have beer waiting if you come in on Saturday to rebuild our business-critical-DB", I've already failed to do my job, except when being called in due to somebody in another department's code burning the server down.
and Euclid as well, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that these people found the Higgs Boson with the power of their invariably large brains. The tools may have been important, but you and I have Linux and we didn't do it, so let's leave the credit where it really belongs.
It may not come up on the HR radar- but it will come up on a persons radar. I have in every job I've had been given above average performance reviews, if once ever somebody gave me a below average review, I would leave, it would be clear I do not belong. And that's one above average engineer lost due to "latrine duty"; I would not call this a "good manager". But this is the problem with the whole system.
Hah- Yeah the goals full of specific projects thing is where I'm at right now. It's great, I just put a bunch of crap about completing a hand full of things that I know are low priority and going to get cancelled before they go anywhere so I don't have to worry about them trying to figure out if I completed any of my goals because I couldn't have since management changed their minds about doing them, so I get the obligatory A for effort!
True, and pretty ironic if you think about it... "Everyone should be equal and get the support they need!" (Except me.. because I'm the leader so I'm going to take everything from everyone..)
Ironic, seems all of the successful communists were capitalists selling a product completely unwilling to eat their own dog food. Unless you count hippie communes, the ones that aren't run by some freaky weird leader who takes 6 wives may actually be the closest thing to an implementation of communism from the top down. Problem with implementing it in large scale is it takes a capitalistic cannibalistic competitiveness to become a singular leader of a great many people, so the only way to get in the position to implement large scale communism would be by being a completely self centered sociopathic control freak, which is obviously the antithesis of communism. So in effect communism must be impossible.
You, same as the previous commenter are trying to point out the validity or invalidity of education- my point is don't compare Free education with Expensive education because doing so is dumb. One is CLEARLY more beneficial to the citizenry as a whole.
Great point! So many people look at business models and completely forget to recognize when their personal role is not "customer" even though they're using a service.
This is the problem right here- greed. Profit won't do, continuous streams of it even, no no. People need to continuously increase the size of the profit stream.
There are really 2 causes to when businesses do this, A) _GREEDY_ leaders, and I'm not saying this is common, I'm saying this is when you have a leader who is either truly without principles or willing to scrap them for money. I honestly don't think this is the norm in people- most people I meet day to day are actually well intentioned. B) The far more common reason- INVESTORS. Being a public company means you have a fiduciary responsibility to try and continually increase profits to continually increase desirability of your stock and value of it to your end investors.
I am merely bringing this up to state: Your wrong in claiming this is the completely natural course of action that always happens, rather there are a great many private companies who have maintained steady profit streams with leaders not willing to compromise their principles merely to increase the profits which are already more than ample. These many companies just don't make the news, but I'm sure lots of you out there have worked for one before where the idea of exploiting someone would never enter the thought process in day to day business.
Ironic isn't it- in america our government spends the same amount as the germans, but we don't get a tenth of the frills from our government. meanwhile we're demanding they ask for less of our money. I don't know how stupid we must be to not look at those numbers and recognize how obviously effed our system is.
You're an idiot for comparing "Feasible" with "Free", he's saying- It's a birth right, you're saying if you work yourself to death doing odd work during the years of your life you're supposed to spend studying to become more intelligent and an eventual net gain to your family and country you might just get one.
You tell me which one's better- yes yours works, but it doesn't even compare. So don't compare them. People always bring up your point when the free things other countries provide are mentioned, and it's just stupid.
The only reason anyone anywhere thinks we have far higher salaries is because we have the largest media empire in the world used to shout from the rooftops that America is No 1. across the board, even though it's a complete load. Factor in the fact that we have to pay for our own health insurance, plus bills on top of that health insurance, our own 401k's, plus working more hours for the dollars per year, and our taxes are actually not significantly lower than the other countries where the state guarantees these things..
A great many Americans take at face value the statement they're constantly told from birth "America is the best country in the world" without ever applying any scientific study to that, I suppose folks in other countries may similarly do the same thing, but when put under scrutiny this statement falls flat on it's face.
Spin the heatsink instead of a fan in the heatsink.. genius, I've got it, better yet, let's spin the heatsink with the chip attached! The whole motherboard even, then it will cool my ram and GPU as well! I'll just attach the motherboard to the bottom of my washer, and put it on a non-stop spin cycle! Dust free and smelling of daises AT ALL TIMES!
I'm in america, both USBank and Chase changed me over years ago. USBank tried the first time more years than that and I explicitly demanded otherwise, but after that card expired a few years later they no longer had a non-nfc card option.
I've always found it ironic that people quote the majority of journalists being democrats as proof that they're biased, as opposed to thinking for a moment that the people who spend all day every day reporting the going-ons of the national political scene might have more first hand experience with both sides than most of us and in turn have a more informed opinion than us.
Not saying reporting should be anything but objective, I would disagree with anyone who says it should, I just find it interesting that nobody takes this concept that most journalists are democrats as a possible indicator of something more than their bias.
If 90% of astronomers believed there's no alien life (hypothetically- I don't know what they believe), I would think there's something to it, since they report on the going-ons out there. *points at space*
So the big networks need to get the effing picture on this one, honestly- hulu/netflix are the new distribution channels. The networks are going to partner up or die. It comes down to one simple motivator: Time. People are too busy to carve out slots in their week dictated by the networks schedules, and netflix/hulu allows them to enjoy the content they want without them having to work their schedules around some national networks designs. Simple as that, hulu/netflix/etc all provide a service network broadcasts will simply never be able to do, and valuable enough to consumers that they will all eventually move on to this. Short of the networks providing the DVRs to everyone's home.
I would even argue that consumers by and large could give 2 shits about commercials, hulu has them and they're rolling in the dough. People are happy to sit through commercials, they get the DVR's to watch when they want, the commercial skipping garb is just bonus.
The cable providers are going about this in completely the wrong way, they think improving their internet infrastructure to allow everyone to be their customers for access to hulu/netflix/etc is so expensive compared to improving their tv infrastructure, so they're actively working to lock people into the tv infrastructure. It's a higher profit margin part of their business, but they're ignorant of the fact that no matter how much they try to lock people in, the majority of people will be using internet streaming services for their entertainment in 10 years time.
They're fighting it because it's not the most profitable portion of their business, they should be actively working to do what they can to make it a higher margin part because they can't stop consumers from choosing the clearly better products hulu/netflix/etc provide. In the same vein the networks need to start making their alliances with streaming providers immediately or else they'll be making crappy shows for pennies in 10 years while someone else will fill the void of producing quality content for the streaming providers.
I am so mad that every one of my CC's/Debit cards that has expired has been replaced by the banks with ones that do this broadcasting shit. Has anyone been able to get them to replace with one that doesn't do this shit? There's absolutely no reason I would want my CC to broadcast its info for devices to read, and swiping the thing is just as easy as passing it over an NFC device.
Or perhaps can anyone name a national bank who has allowed them to get a debit card that doesn't do this?
I thought I made a mistake when I first started using the one I bought since my wife already had an android I figured this way I have both flavors on hand. After about a week I was totally used to it and quite liked it in fact, had it for months now and I'm annoyed when I have to play with my wife's android now. Though I understand why it's bombing, for the first week I was so put off by it I thought I made a huge mistake. It really is different.
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I completely agree, right up until my physical presence isn't required to have my citizenship renounced, and someone renounces it for me. Oopsy.
I'm just curious; how does the visual quality stand up I wonder? I always thought OpenGL didn't have the same amount of features that Direct3D does.. Can someone here speak to that?
I thought that's where it became a triumphant victory..
I really wish people would look objectively at windows 8 and stop just repeating the things others have said.
Everyone keeps saying it's enormously different, but here's the truth, other than a ton of reported efficiency improvements under the covers, there's one change that everyone is up in arms about:
The start menu was replaced. Oooo scaarrry... That's the only UI change. Just one, and somehow people act like this OS is so far removed from windows as we know it.
Here's the truth: If you don't think someone is going to have a program out that behaves identical to the current start menu right when windows 8 comes out, you're fooling yourself. It will probably even be better as it will likely be open source and community driven giving even greater customization if you want. Moreover, half of you play around in different window managers whenever you feel like which causes major UI changes. So slashdotters are the last ones that should be griping. Heck, by creating a simple folder menu on your task bar that points to your desktop or wherever else you keep your shortcuts (there's probably still a start menu folder you could just point it at) you can just recreate the same behavior you're used to.
Now the other side of the truth: For non-technical folks like us who aren't extremely tied to their start menu and probably find the menu driven behavior less preferable to their desktop's behavior for choosing items (as icon driven interfaces have by apple been shown to be more usable by the masses), the new start menu is likely quite preferable.
Given that technical folks like us will adjust almost immediately, and chances are the general population will by my wager like the new behavior more (so long as they can avoid their perceptions being tainted by the constant microsoft-is-for-idiots meme), I am going to go out on a limb and say Windows 8 will probably be an extremely successful operating system. There is now one caveat however; there are a fairly significant amount of changes under the covers I am to understand, so as long as they haven't compromised compatibility and stability, I think they'll be in great standing. I suppose only other caveat: The javascript on the desktop as applications approach may result in some horrible programs written for windows 8 that taints people's view of the overall OS.
Now quit spewing what everyone (including me) says, and go read about/try windows 8 yourselves. And longer than just opening the start menu to shout "NO!" and uninstalling it like so many windows->linux converts do. As for the claims of "Shill!", good for you; you are capable of identifying all somewhat positive statements about a thing as being clearly false marketing. Hypocrite, you probably said something good about yourself once. Sucker.
As a developer, if I need to take after-hours support calls short of "the server burned down, we'll have beer waiting if you come in on Saturday to rebuild our business-critical-DB", I've already failed to do my job, except when being called in due to somebody in another department's code burning the server down.
Fixed it for you.
and Euclid as well, but that really doesn't have anything to do with the fact that these people found the Higgs Boson with the power of their invariably large brains. The tools may have been important, but you and I have Linux and we didn't do it, so let's leave the credit where it really belongs.
It may not come up on the HR radar- but it will come up on a persons radar. I have in every job I've had been given above average performance reviews, if once ever somebody gave me a below average review, I would leave, it would be clear I do not belong. And that's one above average engineer lost due to "latrine duty"; I would not call this a "good manager". But this is the problem with the whole system.
So how 'bout that windows 8? Man what a load! I hear if you install it your computer will start speaking in tongues! User-friendly my eye!
Hah- Yeah the goals full of specific projects thing is where I'm at right now. It's great, I just put a bunch of crap about completing a hand full of things that I know are low priority and going to get cancelled before they go anywhere so I don't have to worry about them trying to figure out if I completed any of my goals because I couldn't have since management changed their minds about doing them, so I get the obligatory A for effort!
True, and pretty ironic if you think about it... "Everyone should be equal and get the support they need!" (Except me.. because I'm the leader so I'm going to take everything from everyone..)
Ironic, seems all of the successful communists were capitalists selling a product completely unwilling to eat their own dog food. Unless you count hippie communes, the ones that aren't run by some freaky weird leader who takes 6 wives may actually be the closest thing to an implementation of communism from the top down. Problem with implementing it in large scale is it takes a capitalistic cannibalistic competitiveness to become a singular leader of a great many people, so the only way to get in the position to implement large scale communism would be by being a completely self centered sociopathic control freak, which is obviously the antithesis of communism. So in effect communism must be impossible.
You, same as the previous commenter are trying to point out the validity or invalidity of education- my point is don't compare Free education with Expensive education because doing so is dumb. One is CLEARLY more beneficial to the citizenry as a whole.
Great point! So many people look at business models and completely forget to recognize when their personal role is not "customer" even though they're using a service.
"the only way to further increase profits"
This is the problem right here- greed. Profit won't do, continuous streams of it even, no no. People need to continuously increase the size of the profit stream.
There are really 2 causes to when businesses do this, A) _GREEDY_ leaders, and I'm not saying this is common, I'm saying this is when you have a leader who is either truly without principles or willing to scrap them for money. I honestly don't think this is the norm in people- most people I meet day to day are actually well intentioned. B) The far more common reason- INVESTORS. Being a public company means you have a fiduciary responsibility to try and continually increase profits to continually increase desirability of your stock and value of it to your end investors.
I am merely bringing this up to state: Your wrong in claiming this is the completely natural course of action that always happens, rather there are a great many private companies who have maintained steady profit streams with leaders not willing to compromise their principles merely to increase the profits which are already more than ample. These many companies just don't make the news, but I'm sure lots of you out there have worked for one before where the idea of exploiting someone would never enter the thought process in day to day business.
Ironic isn't it- in america our government spends the same amount as the germans, but we don't get a tenth of the frills from our government. meanwhile we're demanding they ask for less of our money. I don't know how stupid we must be to not look at those numbers and recognize how obviously effed our system is.
You're an idiot for comparing "Feasible" with "Free", he's saying- It's a birth right, you're saying if you work yourself to death doing odd work during the years of your life you're supposed to spend studying to become more intelligent and an eventual net gain to your family and country you might just get one.
You tell me which one's better- yes yours works, but it doesn't even compare. So don't compare them. People always bring up your point when the free things other countries provide are mentioned, and it's just stupid.
The only reason anyone anywhere thinks we have far higher salaries is because we have the largest media empire in the world used to shout from the rooftops that America is No 1. across the board, even though it's a complete load. Factor in the fact that we have to pay for our own health insurance, plus bills on top of that health insurance, our own 401k's, plus working more hours for the dollars per year, and our taxes are actually not significantly lower than the other countries where the state guarantees these things..
A great many Americans take at face value the statement they're constantly told from birth "America is the best country in the world" without ever applying any scientific study to that, I suppose folks in other countries may similarly do the same thing, but when put under scrutiny this statement falls flat on it's face.
Spin the heatsink instead of a fan in the heatsink.. genius, I've got it, better yet, let's spin the heatsink with the chip attached! The whole motherboard even, then it will cool my ram and GPU as well! I'll just attach the motherboard to the bottom of my washer, and put it on a non-stop spin cycle! Dust free and smelling of daises AT ALL TIMES!
These Sandia folks are truly geniuses. I am awed.
I'm in america, both USBank and Chase changed me over years ago. USBank tried the first time more years than that and I explicitly demanded otherwise, but after that card expired a few years later they no longer had a non-nfc card option.
I've always found it ironic that people quote the majority of journalists being democrats as proof that they're biased, as opposed to thinking for a moment that the people who spend all day every day reporting the going-ons of the national political scene might have more first hand experience with both sides than most of us and in turn have a more informed opinion than us.
Not saying reporting should be anything but objective, I would disagree with anyone who says it should, I just find it interesting that nobody takes this concept that most journalists are democrats as a possible indicator of something more than their bias.
If 90% of astronomers believed there's no alien life (hypothetically- I don't know what they believe), I would think there's something to it, since they report on the going-ons out there. *points at space*
So the big networks need to get the effing picture on this one, honestly- hulu/netflix are the new distribution channels. The networks are going to partner up or die. It comes down to one simple motivator: Time. People are too busy to carve out slots in their week dictated by the networks schedules, and netflix/hulu allows them to enjoy the content they want without them having to work their schedules around some national networks designs. Simple as that, hulu/netflix/etc all provide a service network broadcasts will simply never be able to do, and valuable enough to consumers that they will all eventually move on to this. Short of the networks providing the DVRs to everyone's home.
I would even argue that consumers by and large could give 2 shits about commercials, hulu has them and they're rolling in the dough. People are happy to sit through commercials, they get the DVR's to watch when they want, the commercial skipping garb is just bonus.
The cable providers are going about this in completely the wrong way, they think improving their internet infrastructure to allow everyone to be their customers for access to hulu/netflix/etc is so expensive compared to improving their tv infrastructure, so they're actively working to lock people into the tv infrastructure. It's a higher profit margin part of their business, but they're ignorant of the fact that no matter how much they try to lock people in, the majority of people will be using internet streaming services for their entertainment in 10 years time.
They're fighting it because it's not the most profitable portion of their business, they should be actively working to do what they can to make it a higher margin part because they can't stop consumers from choosing the clearly better products hulu/netflix/etc provide. In the same vein the networks need to start making their alliances with streaming providers immediately or else they'll be making crappy shows for pennies in 10 years while someone else will fill the void of producing quality content for the streaming providers.
What community OS's can i get up and running on the hardware of this thing? Android? Linux? iOS?
Which ones are most stable? Can someone say a few words about the hardware speediness itself, how does it stack up compared to a Tegra 2 for instance?
I may just jump on this if they are dropping the price that much, why the hell not if it's a decent piece of hardware.
I am so mad that every one of my CC's/Debit cards that has expired has been replaced by the banks with ones that do this broadcasting shit. Has anyone been able to get them to replace with one that doesn't do this shit? There's absolutely no reason I would want my CC to broadcast its info for devices to read, and swiping the thing is just as easy as passing it over an NFC device.
Or perhaps can anyone name a national bank who has allowed them to get a debit card that doesn't do this?
Because you might forget, duh.
Damn I sound like a shill right there.
I thought I made a mistake when I first started using the one I bought since my wife already had an android I figured this way I have both flavors on hand. After about a week I was totally used to it and quite liked it in fact, had it for months now and I'm annoyed when I have to play with my wife's android now. Though I understand why it's bombing, for the first week I was so put off by it I thought I made a huge mistake. It really is different.