I do hope that companies like Yahoo! realise that changing a privacy policy without prior consent of the existing users can get them banned from doing business in the EU?
You see, we actually have laws that are meant to stop unscrupulous marketers selling our data to all and sundry without our informed prior consent, and you know what? They are actually enforced, to the point of the EU threatening a trade war with the US over them.
That is what I need for IRC to be shut down! What's next Napster?
That's even funnier when you realise that Napster was based on IRC in the first place. It was basically a big IRC server with a search engine on top of it.
Whenever I buy a CD, the first thing I do is rip it to.ogg. I store these files on my harddisk so I can listen to my entire music collection and make custom playlists while at my computer.
When a friend of mine visits, I'll let him log on to my machine. He can now listen to my.oggs.
Surely in the eyes of the RIAA I'm now guilty of copyright infringement?
For fscks man, if you don't like him, don't read him!. I mean, you can read, can't you? You could have seen his name on the front page, right?
Geez, how narrow-minded can you be? You are posting in a discussion of an article by someone you don't want to read anyway. Now if only you had something original to add...
If the Blizzard clients depend on this bug being in Blizzards server code, wouldn't it make sense that the bnetd folks tried to duplicate the bug?
And given that a bug is a very clearly defined behaviour, wouldn't the code ipso facto look the same? I mean, how many ways are there to duplicate a well defined bug?
It has been a long time in developing but our nation-wide apathy and our lack of long-term vision is affecting a lot.
Let me add an observation from Europe (specifically the Netherlands): it's not just the states. This attitude is becoming pervasive throughout the entire Western world.
Allow me to end this short reply with an appropriate quote from Douglas Hofstadter:
"Individual apathy translates to mass insanity"
We're getting there, slowly but surely, and I think of it like you, that's a very Bad Thing(tm).
Mart
The so-called consumer level users will not turn to Linux
I am sorry, but their opinion is irrelevant anyway. The consumer market has until now been driven by the professional market. People bought PCs because to run Lotus 1-2-3 or Wordperfect long before they bought PCs to play The Sims.
Like in the past, the availability of general-purpose office workstations running Linux will eventually start a trickle of general-purpose home workstations (a.k.a consumer desktops), just like high-end Linux workstations are currently creating the impetus for mid-range office machines.
In short, computer technology has always trickled down to the masses via this road: first the engineers, then the clerks, then the home. Linux is only in the first stage, and thanks to a certain monopoly has a very hard time breaking into the second one.
But forget about the consumers. They will buy whatever machine runs their favourite applications. They are followers, not leaders.
IE is there as the default browser because Apple was strongarmed by Microsoft to put it there. Your original comment made it seem as if Apple was free of Microsoft coercion. The existence of IE as the default browser on the Mac proves the opposite.
And calling the license on most of Red Hat's software an 'intellectual property destroyer' 'a cancer', unamerican and comparing it to Pac-Man is professional. Right...
You have a reading problem don't you? The parent poster quite specifically stated that admins don't turn on the standard features, they're off by default.
In other words Microsoft is up to its old game again: proclaim it's conforming to standards, using their own closed protocols by default, and then blaming the admin for not turning on the alternative.
Gee, like an admin team for a 2500 client site is going to turn on features for all clients and servers when they just work out of the box on the default config. Never mind that they are now stuck with a serious case of vendor lock-in.
How you can spot a Microsoft shill: it's always the hardware, the user or the admins fault. A suspiciously high percentage of failure can never be the fault of the software vendor.
Given your Debian comments, I think you are referring to RPM as the default package manager. In all other respects, Debian is perhaps closer to the LSB than Red Hat.
What you and a lot of other people seem to miss is that there is no requirement to actually use RPM as the system package manager. The LSB requirement is to be able to install RPM packages. If those packages comply to the LSB, then there is no reason why Debian users shouldn't be able to install RPMs using alien. After all, the package itself should already conform to Debian Policy, as Debian Policy is merely an LSB implementation.
I'm a Debian user myself, but I'm getting a little tired of the Red Hat bashing that goes around.
Ok, I know it's too late for people to see this, but I'd like to set you straight:
Libranet is under no obligation to offer a free download under the GPL. They only obligation they have is to provide you with the source if you ask for it, at the cost of distribution. They can charge for the binaries whatever the market will bear.
Note that to any third party in that clause. It's been rehashed several times already in this discussion: that means you're not just obliged to distribute source to those that paid for the binaries, but to anyone who has a legal copy of the binaries.
Since by the terms of the GPL, anyone can obtain a legal copy of the binaries without paying for it (if he finds someone willing to distribute it for free), and since asking for proof is a bit difficult, this means in practice that once you distribute a GPL app, you have to provide source at cost price to anyone who asks for it, not merely your paying customers.
Mart (who, for the record, thinks that this is a Good ThingTM)
If his customers receive the binaries under the GPL, then they are free to redistribute them whichever way they see fit, and those that receive the binaries from them still have the right under the GPL to ask for the source from the original distributor.
Note also that this most Greeks pronounce ancient Greek in this way
Correction accepted. Note however that the hypothesis of Classical Greek having the same pronunciation as Modern Greek has essentially a political basis, to deny any Turkish influences in Modern Greek, so I still have my doubts.
GERMANS don't have the kind of media industry USA have.
I have two words for you: Springer Verlag.
Another poster already mentioned Bertelsmann and Leo Kirch, but those two are I believe not as political as Springer. Springer is bad, especially since they couple yellow journalism with a high popular appeal (Bild Zeitung) with a definite right-wing political agenda. They used be quite extreme, I'd say they're merely conservative now.
I am not 100% sure though. Any German readers who can enlighten us?
Don't worry about app availability on Debian. The apps on stable are a bit out of date, but otherwise the main Debian archive is about as big as the FreeBSD ports, and if you run unstable about as up to date.
When you do run unstable you may run into some weird problems from time to time though. It's not too bad, but the occasional dependency conflict arises. That's why it is unstable after all.
Correct. The Greek letter X, or Chi, is supposed to sound like a hard G as found in Scottish, Dutch or German.
The Greek equivalent of the letter H does not exist. The sound itself does exist as an aspirated vowel, usually denoted with '. That's why the official Greek name for Greece (Hellas) is actually written (transcribed to latin alphabet) Ellas.
Neither is glibc. A free(3) on a NULL pointer is defined as a no-op. Only a free(3) on an already free(3)ed pointer is problematic. According to the manpage it will cause 'undefined behaviour', which is later clarified as possible heap corruption, and this behaviour is according to the C99 specification.
You'd better learn a little more about things before you open your mouth about it.
I hope you get to read this, but I had a short email exchange with Jon on this very subject, and he admits that not being concise enough is a weakness in his style.
This is hardly something he only admits in private. He also admitted in the Slashdot Interview he did.
I think nicely and politely pointing out the mistakes he makes (like you just did) is more conducive to Jon working on his flaws than all the random flaming that goes on here.
The bottom line is, as long as we have this free floating international violence, the economy will probably not be able to recover very much.
In fact, I think that the scare-mongering by the present US administration is merely a cover to increase defense spending.
After all, pumping billions into defense has always been the US' favourite way of implementing Keynesian economic policies, without outright admitting that the policy is Keynesian.
Historically, government investment in the economy served to drive production and economic growth. I think we might even see a short term economic boost from the increased spending on the 'War on Terrorism' <spit>.
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I do hope that companies like Yahoo! realise that changing a privacy policy without prior consent of the existing users can get them banned from doing business in the EU?
You see, we actually have laws that are meant to stop unscrupulous marketers selling our data to all and sundry without our informed prior consent, and you know what? They are actually enforced, to the point of the EU threatening a trade war with the US over them.
MartThat's even funnier when you realise that Napster was based on IRC in the first place. It was basically a big IRC server with a search engine on top of it.
MartWhenever I buy a CD, the first thing I do is rip it to .ogg. I store these files on my harddisk so I can listen to my entire music collection and make custom playlists while at my computer.
When a friend of mine visits, I'll let him log on to my machine. He can now listen to my .oggs.
Surely in the eyes of the RIAA I'm now guilty of copyright infringement?
MartWhen is the senseless Katz bashing going to stop?
For fscks man, if you don't like him, don't read him!. I mean, you can read, can't you? You could have seen his name on the front page, right?
Geez, how narrow-minded can you be? You are posting in a discussion of an article by someone you don't want to read anyway. Now if only you had something original to add...
MartI'm still not seeing why this is a good argument.
If the Blizzard clients depend on this bug being in Blizzards server code, wouldn't it make sense that the bnetd folks tried to duplicate the bug?
And given that a bug is a very clearly defined behaviour, wouldn't the code ipso facto look the same? I mean, how many ways are there to duplicate a well defined bug?
MartLet me add an observation from Europe (specifically the Netherlands): it's not just the states. This attitude is becoming pervasive throughout the entire Western world.
Allow me to end this short reply with an appropriate quote from Douglas Hofstadter:
We're getting there, slowly but surely, and I think of it like you, that's a very Bad Thing(tm). MartI am sorry, but their opinion is irrelevant anyway. The consumer market has until now been driven by the professional market. People bought PCs because to run Lotus 1-2-3 or Wordperfect long before they bought PCs to play The Sims.
Like in the past, the availability of general-purpose office workstations running Linux will eventually start a trickle of general-purpose home workstations (a.k.a consumer desktops), just like high-end Linux workstations are currently creating the impetus for mid-range office machines.
In short, computer technology has always trickled down to the masses via this road: first the engineers, then the clerks, then the home. Linux is only in the first stage, and thanks to a certain monopoly has a very hard time breaking into the second one.
But forget about the consumers. They will buy whatever machine runs their favourite applications. They are followers, not leaders.
MartI never realised that pressing ^C was that expensive...
MartYou missed the point. Completely.
IE is there as the default browser because Apple was strongarmed by Microsoft to put it there. Your original comment made it seem as if Apple was free of Microsoft coercion. The existence of IE as the default browser on the Mac proves the opposite.
MartEuhm...
What was the default browser on the Mac again?
MartAnd calling the license on most of Red Hat's software an 'intellectual property destroyer' 'a cancer', unamerican and comparing it to Pac-Man is professional. Right...
MartYou have a reading problem don't you? The parent poster quite specifically stated that admins don't turn on the standard features, they're off by default.
In other words Microsoft is up to its old game again: proclaim it's conforming to standards, using their own closed protocols by default, and then blaming the admin for not turning on the alternative.
Gee, like an admin team for a 2500 client site is going to turn on features for all clients and servers when they just work out of the box on the default config. Never mind that they are now stuck with a serious case of vendor lock-in.
How you can spot a Microsoft shill: it's always the hardware, the user or the admins fault. A suspiciously high percentage of failure can never be the fault of the software vendor.
MartYou're missing the point of the LSB.
Given your Debian comments, I think you are referring to RPM as the default package manager. In all other respects, Debian is perhaps closer to the LSB than Red Hat.
What you and a lot of other people seem to miss is that there is no requirement to actually use RPM as the system package manager. The LSB requirement is to be able to install RPM packages. If those packages comply to the LSB, then there is no reason why Debian users shouldn't be able to install RPMs using alien. After all, the package itself should already conform to Debian Policy, as Debian Policy is merely an LSB implementation.
I'm a Debian user myself, but I'm getting a little tired of the Red Hat bashing that goes around.
MartOk, I know it's too late for people to see this, but I'd like to set you straight:
Libranet is under no obligation to offer a free download under the GPL. They only obligation they have is to provide you with the source if you ask for it, at the cost of distribution. They can charge for the binaries whatever the market will bear.
See the GNU GPL for more details.
MartSorry, are you saying I'm right?
Note that to any third party in that clause. It's been rehashed several times already in this discussion: that means you're not just obliged to distribute source to those that paid for the binaries, but to anyone who has a legal copy of the binaries.
Since by the terms of the GPL, anyone can obtain a legal copy of the binaries without paying for it (if he finds someone willing to distribute it for free), and since asking for proof is a bit difficult, this means in practice that once you distribute a GPL app, you have to provide source at cost price to anyone who asks for it, not merely your paying customers.
Mart (who, for the record, thinks that this is a Good ThingTM)Uh, no.
If his customers receive the binaries under the GPL, then they are free to redistribute them whichever way they see fit, and those that receive the binaries from them still have the right under the GPL to ask for the source from the original distributor.
MartYou mean .NET Server needs special hardware to do what the various Unix-a-likes have been doing for 30 years on ordinary off-the-shelf hardware?
That's....pathetic.
MartCorrection accepted. Note however that the hypothesis of Classical Greek having the same pronunciation as Modern Greek has essentially a political basis, to deny any Turkish influences in Modern Greek, so I still have my doubts.
And yes, I did talk about this with Greeks.
MartI have two words for you: Springer Verlag.
Another poster already mentioned Bertelsmann and Leo Kirch, but those two are I believe not as political as Springer. Springer is bad, especially since they couple yellow journalism with a high popular appeal (Bild Zeitung) with a definite right-wing political agenda. They used be quite extreme, I'd say they're merely conservative now.
I am not 100% sure though. Any German readers who can enlighten us?
MartHe.
Mind if I scarf that for my .sig collection?
MartDon't worry about app availability on Debian. The apps on stable are a bit out of date, but otherwise the main Debian archive is about as big as the FreeBSD ports, and if you run unstable about as up to date.
When you do run unstable you may run into some weird problems from time to time though. It's not too bad, but the occasional dependency conflict arises. That's why it is unstable after all.
MartCorrect. The Greek letter X, or Chi, is supposed to sound like a hard G as found in Scottish, Dutch or German.
The Greek equivalent of the letter H does not exist. The sound itself does exist as an aspirated vowel, usually denoted with '. That's why the official Greek name for Greece (Hellas) is actually written (transcribed to latin alphabet) Ellas.
Mart (who had to sit through Greek class too)
Neither is glibc. A free(3) on a NULL pointer is defined as a no-op. Only a free(3) on an already free(3)ed pointer is problematic. According to the manpage it will cause 'undefined behaviour', which is later clarified as possible heap corruption, and this behaviour is according to the C99 specification.
You'd better learn a little more about things before you open your mouth about it.
MartI hope you get to read this, but I had a short email exchange with Jon on this very subject, and he admits that not being concise enough is a weakness in his style.
This is hardly something he only admits in private. He also admitted in the Slashdot Interview he did.
I think nicely and politely pointing out the mistakes he makes (like you just did) is more conducive to Jon working on his flaws than all the random flaming that goes on here.
MartIn fact, I think that the scare-mongering by the present US administration is merely a cover to increase defense spending.
After all, pumping billions into defense has always been the US' favourite way of implementing Keynesian economic policies, without outright admitting that the policy is Keynesian.
Historically, government investment in the economy served to drive production and economic growth. I think we might even see a short term economic boost from the increased spending on the 'War on Terrorism' <spit>.
Mart