My needs are simple, Most of my systems would do just fine with a Duron 800MHz or even slower CPUs. With the advent of new high end chips heralds lower prices at the low end.
It's gotten to the point where only a few popular niches need to even bother with anything but the absolute bottom end chips. I.e. Gaming, video encoding and servers (Faster chips mean more users on a server).
Scientific Computing clusters, Compiling lots of code everyday etc.. are other niches worth noteing. For Web browsing, Office productivity, educational apps and old games I advise you to buy the chip so far behind the curve it won't be available in a few weeks.
If by "marketing" you mean "bearing prices significantly lower." I'm not trying to say that more expensive means "better," but I will venture to say that different people like Intel or AMD for different reasons. Why do people in the retail market like AMD? Because it's cheaper, and when they ask sales people who are desperate to make a sale if there's any difference, the sales people (who are also AMD fanboys, when they're not being Mac fanboys) tell them no.
When you are talking about something as finite in it's intended function as a CPU then the requirements can be easily quantified and separated.
While they are numbered for clarity the order of importance depends on the user and the system being built.
1. Compatibility. Will it run the code I want it to run?
2. Speed. How long dose it take to complete task X ?
3. Temperature. Do I need a dedicated AC, a heat sink or something in between?
4. Price. How many dollars do I need to spend for this chip and it's "support infrastructure" (RAM, Motherboard etc..) ?
5. Power consumption.
For most users, All current AMD and iNTEL desktop chips are equal on points 1, 3 and 5. (Not that there aren't differences. They just don't matter).
With items 2 and 4 being the entire basis of choosing a chip the equation comes down to "How fast can my system run if I spend $250 on the CPU?"
PS: If it was up to me reviewers would abandon the "AMD's 3GH chip vs iNTEL's 3GH chip" comparisons and adopt "AMD's $900 chip vs iNTEL's $900 chip" matchup. It's how _I_ Shop for CPUs and until someone convinces me of a problem in this approach I will continue to use it.
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1. Being that old school means Windows is just for playing games that aren't available on a real OS, so I really don't bother to research windows much. Hence I don't know these things for sure.
2. I KNOW there are a lot of people on Slashdot who know a lot about Windows. Including a few guys logging in from Seattle.
"The computer you want always costs $5000".
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"The computer you want always costs $5000".
I can't remember who said it but it remains true. Fully tricked out this baby is a 5G+ machine. I specked it with RAID 0 (yes, on a laptop), DVDRW (With a RAID 0 your Documents must go elsware), TV Card, Bluetooth, 1 GB RAM, 3 year warranty and little else. Now if they could offer an unpainted version and pass on the savings from that...
I care about how my PC runs, not how it looks.
PS: I chose XP Home (-$70) because I know I don't need pro to play games. I have herd that XPHome functions better under gamming loads than Pro. Is this true?
We say "He" rather than "It" mainly because an integral concept of Christianity is that God is a Person. English doesn't conceive of a Person being an it. I.e. Unborn children are called him (pre sonogram) while ships which are as important as a person to those who name them are called "She".
Of course the Bible dose speak of God as "Father" which narrows down the options for a Christian. BTW: Mental images are allowed. Otherwise text descriptions would be offensive. I have actually seen some of the problems with graven images. God can't be in our image if he looks like another race (This actually led to the formation of the Rastafarian Religion:).
The Religious tolerance works like this. With so many churches so close together they must either be tolerant of each other's divergent views or break out into open war like Bayrout. The Church of God pastor can't complain too much about his son marrying an Adventist girl when her sister sings on his choir.
We have fewer atheists in my area than your typical collage town and almost all of them are foreigners from far north (Europe, USA etc...). My guess is that sitting in "Hurricane Alley" changes your view of nature. We see things that are just too strange to be coincidence. I.e. The remnants of Port Royal are on the edge of Kingston. It was considered "The wickedest city in the world", The Governor of Jamaica was a pirate captain (Henry Morgan) and slave ships would unload "cargo' here for distribution to all the colonies.
Then Port Royal sank. Sure there are a gazillion fault lines crisscrossing the island with most of them in the Kingston/Port Royal area. The story still sounds so much like Noah and Sodom that it's invaded our culture.
I live in Jamaica. The country recorded has having the most churches per square mile and per capita. What this means is that it's a comfortable walk (Less than 1 KM) from my home to 9 different churches. The level of religious tolerance that forces is remarkable. (Our #1 and #2 Universities are also in that 1 KM range of my home).
There is no consistent "Christian Viewpoint" on any topic at all. I.e. Some churches have statues of Mary and paintings of Jesus while other declare such things against the "Graven images" law and hence evil. Some Churches think the eating of Pork is a sin while others hand out hams to the pore at Christmas. I could go on.
Organized Religion (I.e. The ones with a book) are at there best when they stick closely to the teachings in that book and remain open minded to things not mentioned or which are unclear. I.e. There are priests who will on the one hand get into fights over evolution or whether Jesus was whipped on the chest (Go see the Movie) but will officiate in a homosexual wedding.
Here is another thought along those lines. "Man was created in God's Image". A quick glance at Danny Devito and Shaquile O'Neal makes you wonder if this was about our appearance. I don't think so. Far more likely it is the creative mind of God that is copied in us. It's not as developed or as powerful but it's the same. Like a Galaxy Class starship and it's shuttle craft. (The gap is wider but you get the principle).
Now that someone has asked (sort of) my view in the whole, "Evolution vs. Creation" debate is a little off from most people.
It isn't my main concern so I have not refined my theories much but here goes.
The Genesis story of a 6 day creation dose not actually refer to 24 hour, revolution of the earth days. The original writing actually speaks to "Evening and Morning" although that language has the more comfortable and frequently used "Night and Day". The "Evening and Morning" could also be translated as 'unclear and clear" or "chaos and Order". That was a roundabout way of allowing for creation to be literally longer than 6 days, even if it's split into 6 stages with the creation of humans being the last.
You see, the sequence of events creations listed in Genesis 1, fits well with the sequence described by most theories of evolution and with the fossil record. In other words, Evolution is a tool of creation and is used by God to produce the species he wants. Genetic, Engineering, Cloning and even cross breading are also among his tools as is conjuring life from inanimate chemicals.
I did say my view was strange.:)
BTW: This vision solves some of the major problems afflicting most theories of Evolution and also some of the major problems afflicting the Creation theories.
PS: The Duck Billed Platypus looks like a practical joke played on the science of Zoology.:)
It would be more beneficial to teach what is known about evolution (e.g. why do we have wisdom teeth, why do viruses get resistant to medicine, etc) and ALSO its problems than to push in religion as if it were science
This is exactly what people were asking for and it is heavily resisted. This makes Evolution unique among sientific principles. I.e. The Big Bang is as popular but it's advocates are not nearly as adamant about silencing alternate theories.
The point was that there were no other righteous people. In the S&G story for instance there was a request to find 10 good guys, which would have been enough for the town to be spared.
One argument against the S&G story was that the power to drop fire from above and destroy a city doesn't exist. That argument died at the end of World War 2.
My point is that plate tectonics and the available water on earth today would not logically allow for a boat landing on Ararat.
A miracle in which the volume of water on earth was increased 5 fold for a cosmic millisecond (40 days) and then returned to normal would allow it.
Star Trek level technology could do this. It would take several ships and a lot of planning but it could be done, so it would also be well within the power of any deity.
There is absolutely no concrete evidence to show that this mountain was once submerged. If it was, one should be able to find large amounts of sea salts, pillow lava, water-formed sediments, and/or fossiliforous rocks.
You do realize that the Biblical story only has the mountain submerged for a little over a month?
Also, of the many sedimentary layers all over the world there is a single relatively thin layer that is found at the same level on all continents and many islands, many variations in composition and thickness above and below, but not in that layer.
The suggestion is that it indicates a global flood or the descent of a global dust cloud.
The apparent impossibility you describe is exactly why, finding it would revolutionize thinking. I.e. Finding a Big old boat 30' above sea level in a geologically unstable area would just mean a section of seabed rose up.
I used to pick up fossils in the area where I live as a child. Lots of them, small, embedded in limestone. They all looked aquatic to me. I.e. Shellfish etc... My section of Jamaica probably was under water fairly recently (In geological terms).
Do you people realize you are acting like religious zealots, in dismissing the findings of an expedition that hasn't started yet?
Mount Ararat is named in the Bible as the resting place of the Ark. That section of the Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. Scientific principles absolutely demand that someone must go up there and search for it.
If they find what looks like the remnants of a big wooden ship then whoopee, we get to debate what it really is and launch further expeditions and employ other technology and analysis to see if this is true.
If they find nothing, Someone will claim that they looked in the wrong place and try again. (Ararat is a big mountain)
If they die trying; tough luck. That happens sometimes to people trying to test an important theory.
At the very least searching for the Arc on Ararat is more important than going back to the Moon or climbing Everest again. It is roughly on par with searching for signs of life on Mars and the SETI program. I.e. Published and authenticated success would revolutionize thinking.
For the record There were many attempts to launch such an expedition in the 20th century, They all suffered political trauma. I.e. Ararat, sat on a border between enemies. The political climate has changed and former enemies are now tolerant neighbors.
1/5 dozen spelling flames and this is the 1st one that gives the correct spelling.
It never occured to anyone else that I just can't spell properly. So anything that's at valid word and is pronounced correctly will slip by me. I.e. I use the wrong "here" a lot and I am not sure about "occored" in the previous sentence.
You work for the Department Of Deffence or a related agency right?
The DOD rules for HDD disposal.
1. Triple Overwrite security erase. 2. De-gauze with a powerful electro magnet. 3. Crush drives with a cement roller. 4. Melt fragments into slag. 5. Bury Slag in a secure waist disposal site under a minimum of 6' of cement.
Mythology is a major hoby for me. This girl lost her father at age 2, which is probebly why she didn't know what her name ment.
The actual explanation of who Frigga is took just a cople minutes. She was so interested that we talked all day. Mostly I told her of norse legends and she told me of her life.
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Quoting myself :) 'I advise you to buy the chip so far behind the curve it won't be available in a few weeks'
.. means cheaper CPUs at the bottom end.
My needs are simple, Most of my systems would do just fine with a Duron 800MHz or even slower CPUs. With the advent of new high end chips heralds lower prices at the low end.
It's gotten to the point where only a few popular niches need to even bother with anything but the absolute bottom end chips. I.e. Gaming, video encoding and servers (Faster chips mean more users on a server).
Scientific Computing clusters, Compiling lots of code everyday etc.. are other niches worth noteing. For Web browsing, Office productivity, educational apps and old games I advise you to buy the chip so far behind the curve it won't be available in a few weeks.
Actualy that's per CPU
$2,863,104 total.
It has to burn before it can rise from the ashes.
When you are talking about something as finite in it's intended function as a CPU then the requirements can be easily quantified and separated.
While they are numbered for clarity the order of importance depends on the user and the system being built.
1. Compatibility. Will it run the code I want it to run?
2. Speed. How long dose it take to complete task X ?
3. Temperature. Do I need a dedicated AC, a heat sink or something in between?
4. Price. How many dollars do I need to spend for this chip and it's "support infrastructure" (RAM, Motherboard etc..) ?
5. Power consumption.
For most users, All current AMD and iNTEL desktop chips are equal on points 1, 3 and 5. (Not that there aren't differences. They just don't matter).
With items 2 and 4 being the entire basis of choosing a chip the equation comes down to "How fast can my system run if I spend $250 on the CPU?"
PS: If it was up to me reviewers would abandon the "AMD's 3GH chip vs iNTEL's 3GH chip" comparisons and adopt "AMD's $900 chip vs iNTEL's $900 chip" matchup. It's how _I_ Shop for CPUs and until someone convinces me of a problem in this approach I will continue to use it.
Never go to bed mad. Stay up and fight. -- Phyllis Diller, "Phyllis Diller's Housekeeping Hints"
1. Being that old school means Windows is just for playing games that aren't available on a real OS, so I really don't bother to research windows much. Hence I don't know these things for sure.
2. I KNOW there are a lot of people on Slashdot who know a lot about Windows. Including a few guys logging in from Seattle.
"The computer you want always costs $5000".
I can't remember who said it but it remains true. Fully tricked out this baby is a 5G+ machine.
I specked it with RAID 0 (yes, on a laptop), DVDRW (With a RAID 0 your Documents must go elsware), TV Card, Bluetooth, 1 GB RAM, 3 year warranty and little else. Now if they could offer an unpainted version and pass on the savings from that...
I care about how my PC runs, not how it looks.
PS: I chose XP Home (-$70) because I know I don't need pro to play games. I have herd that XPHome functions better under gamming loads than Pro. Is this true?
We say "He" rather than "It" mainly because an integral concept of Christianity is that God is a Person. English doesn't conceive of a Person being an it. I.e. Unborn children are called him (pre sonogram) while ships which are as important as a person to those who name them are called "She".
Of course the Bible dose speak of God as "Father" which narrows down the options for a Christian. BTW: Mental images are allowed. Otherwise text descriptions would be offensive. I have actually seen some of the problems with graven images. God can't be in our image if he looks like another race (This actually led to the formation of the Rastafarian Religion:).
The Religious tolerance works like this. With so many churches so close together they must either be tolerant of each other's divergent views or break out into open war like Bayrout. The Church of God pastor can't complain too much about his son marrying an Adventist girl when her sister sings on his choir.
We have fewer atheists in my area than your typical collage town and almost all of them are foreigners from far north (Europe, USA etc...). My guess is that sitting in "Hurricane Alley" changes your view of nature. We see things that are just too strange to be coincidence. I.e. The remnants of Port Royal are on the edge of Kingston. It was considered "The wickedest city in the world", The Governor of Jamaica was a pirate captain (Henry Morgan) and slave ships would unload "cargo' here for distribution to all the colonies.
Then Port Royal sank. Sure there are a gazillion fault lines crisscrossing the island with most of them in the Kingston/Port Royal area. The story still sounds so much like Noah and Sodom that it's invaded our culture.
Vodka is Rusian, not Comunist. In other words, Kastro would give you kRum.
I live in Jamaica. The country recorded has having the most churches per square mile and per capita. What this means is that it's a comfortable walk (Less than 1 KM) from my home to 9 different churches. The level of religious tolerance that forces is remarkable. (Our #1 and #2 Universities are also in that 1 KM range of my home).
There is no consistent "Christian Viewpoint" on any topic at all. I.e. Some churches have statues of Mary and paintings of Jesus while other declare such things against the "Graven images" law and hence evil. Some Churches think the eating of Pork is a sin while others hand out hams to the pore at Christmas. I could go on.
Organized Religion (I.e. The ones with a book) are at there best when they stick closely to the teachings in that book and remain open minded to things not mentioned or which are unclear. I.e. There are priests who will on the one hand get into fights over evolution or whether Jesus was whipped on the chest (Go see the Movie) but will officiate in a homosexual wedding.
Here is another thought along those lines. "Man was created in God's Image". A quick glance at Danny Devito and Shaquile O'Neal makes you wonder if this was about our appearance. I don't think so. Far more likely it is the creative mind of God that is copied in us. It's not as developed or as powerful but it's the same. Like a Galaxy Class starship and it's shuttle craft. (The gap is wider but you get the principle).
Now that someone has asked (sort of) my view in the whole, "Evolution vs. Creation" debate is a little off from most people.
:)
:)
It isn't my main concern so I have not refined my theories much but here goes.
The Genesis story of a 6 day creation dose not actually refer to 24 hour, revolution of the earth days. The original writing actually speaks to "Evening and Morning" although that language has the more comfortable and frequently used "Night and Day". The "Evening and Morning" could also be translated as 'unclear and clear" or "chaos and Order". That was a roundabout way of allowing for creation to be literally longer than 6 days, even if it's split into 6 stages with the creation of humans being the last.
You see, the sequence of events creations listed in Genesis 1, fits well with the sequence described by most theories of evolution and with the fossil record. In other words, Evolution is a tool of creation and is used by God to produce the species he wants. Genetic, Engineering, Cloning and even cross breading are also among his tools as is conjuring life from inanimate chemicals.
I did say my view was strange.
BTW: This vision solves some of the major problems afflicting most theories of Evolution and also some of the major problems afflicting the Creation theories.
PS: The Duck Billed Platypus looks like a practical joke played on the science of Zoology.
This is exactly what people were asking for and it is heavily resisted. This makes Evolution unique among sientific principles. I.e. The Big Bang is as popular but it's advocates are not nearly as adamant about silencing alternate theories.
The point was that there were no other righteous people. In the S&G story for instance there was a request to find 10 good guys, which would have been enough for the town to be spared.
Sodom and Gomorrah vs. Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
One argument against the S&G story was that the power to drop fire from above and destroy a city doesn't exist. That argument died at the end of World War 2.
This is actualy a perfectly logical statment.
Why dose the watter have to come from Earth or remain on Earth after the fload ?
My point is that plate tectonics and the available water on earth today would not logically allow for a boat landing on Ararat.
A miracle in which the volume of water on earth was increased 5 fold for a cosmic millisecond (40 days) and then returned to normal would allow it.
Star Trek level technology could do this. It would take several ships and a lot of planning but it could be done, so it would also be well within the power of any deity.
You do realize that the Biblical story only has the mountain submerged for a little over a month?
Also, of the many sedimentary layers all over the world there is a single relatively thin layer that is found at the same level on all continents and many islands, many variations in composition and thickness above and below, but not in that layer.
The suggestion is that it indicates a global flood or the descent of a global dust cloud.
The apparent impossibility you describe is exactly why, finding it would revolutionize thinking. I.e. Finding a Big old boat 30' above sea level in a geologically unstable area would just mean a section of seabed rose up.
I used to pick up fossils in the area where I live as a child. Lots of them, small, embedded in limestone. They all looked aquatic to me. I.e. Shellfish etc... My section of Jamaica probably was under water fairly recently (In geological terms).
Do you people realize you are acting like religious zealots, in dismissing the findings of an expedition that hasn't started yet?
Mount Ararat is named in the Bible as the resting place of the Ark. That section of the Bible was written more than 2000 years ago. Scientific principles absolutely demand that someone must go up there and search for it.
If they find what looks like the remnants of a big wooden ship then whoopee, we get to debate what it really is and launch further expeditions and employ other technology and analysis to see if this is true.
If they find nothing, Someone will claim that they looked in the wrong place and try again. (Ararat is a big mountain)
If they die trying; tough luck. That happens sometimes to people trying to test an important theory.
At the very least searching for the Arc on Ararat is more important than going back to the Moon or climbing Everest again. It is roughly on par with searching for signs of life on Mars and the SETI program. I.e. Published and authenticated success would revolutionize thinking.
For the record There were many attempts to launch such an expedition in the 20th century, They all suffered political trauma. I.e. Ararat, sat on a border between enemies. The political climate has changed and former enemies are now tolerant neighbors.
Am I the only one who thinks his name sounds like a popular tool?
"Allen Key"
Guilty as charged. This happens when you use a computer spell checker to mitigate the effects of my particular variant of dyslexia.
:)
The upshot is that I don't misunderstand what I read.
1/5 dozen spelling flames and this is the 1st one that gives the correct spelling.
It never occured to anyone else that I just can't spell properly. So anything that's at valid word and is pronounced correctly will slip by me. I.e. I use the wrong "here" a lot and I am not sure about "occored" in the previous sentence.
You work for the Department Of Deffence or a related agency right?
The DOD rules for HDD disposal.
1. Triple Overwrite security erase.
2. De-gauze with a powerful electro magnet.
3. Crush drives with a cement roller.
4. Melt fragments into slag.
5. Bury Slag in a secure waist disposal site under a minimum of 6' of cement.
Mythology is a major hoby for me. This girl lost her father at age 2, which is probebly why she didn't know what her name ment.
The actual explanation of who Frigga is took just a cople minutes. She was so interested that we talked all day. Mostly I told her of norse legends and she told me of her life.
"Frigga" is a Nordic godess. She is Odin's wife and Thor's mother. "Friday" is named in her honor.