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Alan Kay Receives ACM Turing Award

TheAncientHacker writes "Alan Kay, the creator of the Smalltalk computer language (and a good deal of what we call Object Oriented Programming) is the winner of this year's Turing Award from the ACM. Kay is also the co-winner of this year's Charles Stark Draper Prize. For more, check out the website of Kay's latest project, Squeak - an open, highly-portable Smalltalk-80 implementation go to the Squeak homepage or the page of the SqueakLand community which uses Squeak in schools. For more on Kay's Turing Award, see this article on the SqueakLand site." Couple of other awards to announce: bth writes "The Association for Computing Machinery announced that it has recognized Dr. Stuart I. Feldman for creating a seminal piece of software engineering known as Make. Almost every software developer in the world has used Make, or one of its descendants, as a tool for maintaining computer software. Dr. Feldman will receive the 2003 ACM Software System Award." And finally, squidfrog writes "Nick Holonyak Jr., inventor of the LED, is being awarded the $500,000 Lemelson-MIT Prize at a ceremony in Washington. Edith Flanigen, 75, was also recognized, with the $100,000 Lemelson-MIT Lifetime Achievement Award for her work on a new generation of 'molecular sieves,' porous crystals that can separate molecules by size."

120 comments

  1. MVC too? by UrgleHoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Doesn't the model-view-controller pattern originally come from smalltalk?

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    Dogma - "let's just say we'd like to avoid any empirical entanglements."
    1. Re:MVC too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I'm pretty sure it did. Interestingly, the modern comercial Smalltalks have moved beyond MVC. Squeak uses Morphic. From Smalltalk's point of view, MVC is so early 90s

    2. Re:MVC too? by joeyGibson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Cincom Smalltalk, which is the descendant of VisualWorks, still uses MVC. Dolphin, an excellent commercial ST for Windows, uses a modified version of MVC called MVP - Model View Presenter. Squeak is, to my knowledge, the only ST that has really deviated from MVC in a meaningful way. And it certainly isn't commercial.

    3. Re:MVC too? by Espen · · Score: 3, Informative

      The MVC pattern was invented by Trygve Reenskaug and later implemented for the SmallTalk-80 class library by others at Xerox Park.

    4. Re:MVC too? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >Cincom Smalltalk, which is the descendant of VisualWorks, still uses MVC. Dolphin

      Sort of. It uses a secondary layer on top, "VisualWorks", the manages the interations between the models and the controllers and views. Then the UIBuilder builds to this structure. It makes it a lot easier to use. Technicaly it's down there but you don't have to worry about it much

      MVP is a pretty good improvement over MVC

      It's been awhile since I used VisualAge and they use something else, with a Bridge pattern thrown in the middle to manage crossplatform access to native widgets

    5. Re:MVC too? by Fearless+Freep · · Score: 2, Informative

      >Xerox Park.

      That's PARC, for Palo Alto Research Center

    6. Re:MVC too? by rixstep · · Score: 1

      Yes. That was all Kay's ideas. The term 'object-oriented' too.

      I invented the term 'object-oriented' and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind.
      -- Alan Kay

  2. I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    SteveBurbeck once told me this AlanKay story from his days at Apple.

    A lot of the developers and managers at Apple were gathered around watching a presentation from someone about some "wonderful" new product that would save the world. All through the presentation, he had been stating that the product was "object-oriented" while he blathered on.

    Finally, someone at the back of the room piped up:

    "So, this product doesn't support inheritance, right?"
    "that's right".
    "And it doesn't support polymorphism, right?"
    "that's right"
    "And it doesn't support encapsulation, right?"
    "that's correct".
    "So, it doesn't seem to me like it's object-oriented".
    To which the presenter huffily responded,
    "Well, who's to say what's object-oriented and what's not?"

    At this point the person replied,
    "I am. I'm AlanKay and I invented the term."

    1. Re:I invented the term! by gowen · · Score: 4, Informative
      watching a presentation from someone
      Niklaus Wirth
      about some "wonderful" new product
      Project Oberon...
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    2. Re:I invented the term! by davidstrauss · · Score: 4, Funny
      SteveBurbeck once told me this AlanKay story from his days at Apple.

      ...and my CS professor StephenKeckler was just awarded the GraceHopper award.

      Are you an overworked sysadmin? Do you manually assign so many logins that you normalize all full names?

    3. Re:I invented the term! by geniusj · · Score: 1

      Maybe he is used to using WiKis :).. That's what I thought when I saw it.

    4. Re:I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me too.

      Though it doesn't help with the sad state I'm in now: wiping up the chunks I RETCHED upon seeing that mutilation of my language.

    5. Re:I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      It wasn't Wirth, it was someone who worked for him. The story is ripped off verbatim from here

    6. Re:I invented the term! by gowen · · Score: 1

      Thank you AC... I stand corrected. (And by an AC, too. Oh, the shame.) :)

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    7. Re:I invented the term! by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Jeeze man. Oberon supports inheritance and polymorphism. At least, I think it does, but it's been a while since I used it.

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    8. Re:I invented the term! by joeyGibson · · Score: 1

      Unless I'm missing something, this sounds apocryphal to me. To wit:

      ST does support single inheritance.
      ST does support polymorphism.
      ST mandates encapsulation.

      Sounds pretty OO to me.

    9. Re:I invented the term! by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      Same here, I assumed he copied off of c2.com or something.

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    10. Re:I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The story wasn't about ST, it was about Oberon.

    11. Re:I invented the term! by BdosError · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to the linked Wiki page, the talk was with regard to Oberon 1, which did not support inheritance or polymorphism. Oberon 2, they claim, does support those features.

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      Complexity is Easy. Simplicity is Hard.
    12. Re:I invented the term! by joeyGibson · · Score: 1

      Oh. Sorry. I didn't realize Dr. Kay was involved with Oberon. I thought that was just Niklaus Wirth.

    13. Re:I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're still missing the point. Kay was criticizing a speaker who was claiming that Oberon was object-oriented, and justified his criticism by pointing out that he (Kay) was the one who defined the term "object oriented".

    14. Re:I invented the term! by joeyGibson · · Score: 1

      Damn... I sure did. I was reading the "he" in the story as being Dr. Kay... OK. I get it now. Thanks for pointing our my error... :-)

    15. Re:I invented the term! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is up with running peoples' first and last names together ("AlanKay", "AdeleGoldberg")?

    16. Re:I invented the term! by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      yarr, then that'd be the reason for me thinking it did. :)

      the oberon system is pretty fun to play with, for those of you out there who like to play with new and funky languages, OSes and window systems. Like Squeak Smalltalk, it's a self-contained OS, with it's own widget set and windowing system that exists parallel to win32/x11/quartz, being blitted to one big window. A lot of fun to play with, although the stodgy Pascal-like language of Oberon itself is a bit too formal for me, and I prefer Squeak. But fun all the same. :) (they're on to Oberon 4 or 5?)

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    17. Re:I invented the term! by Felipe+Hoffa · · Score: 1

      http://www.google.com/search?q=SteveBurbeck%20once %20told%20me%20this%20AlanKay%20story%20from%20his %20days%20at%20Apple

  3. Nick Holonyak Jr., inventor of the LED… by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    In tribute to the pinnacle of achievement realized as a result of his invention, Mr. Holonyak will also be receiving a commemorative license plate frame with blinking LED marquee lights.

  4. New generation? by Otter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was impressed that a 75 year old is doing cutting-edge work but this "new generation" of sieves seems to have actually been new in the 1950's. Good for her, in any case.

  5. Surprising by andy666 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is surprising that the chose not to honor Martin Davis of NYU, since so many OOP ideas are implicit in his work.

    1. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might surprising if anyone had actually ever heard of your professor outside of NYU.

    2. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you referring to the same Martin Davis who wrote the excellent "Computability and Unsolvability," now published by Dover?

      If so, what work of his deals with OOP?

    3. Re:Surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      http://www.cs.nyu.edu/cs/faculty/davism/

      What NYU is really like

      Fuck CS. No one goes to NYU for academics.

  6. Wasn't MOOcode based on Smalltalk? by phreakmonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I seem to remember that PARC's LambdaMoo "MOOCode" was based partially on Smalltalk. (Oddly enough, I learned about OO programming from MOOcode.) It actually made a good model for learning OO concepts.

    -P.M.

    1. Re:Wasn't MOOcode based on Smalltalk? by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Interesting

      From what I've read, LambdaMoo's language isn't derived directly from Smalltalk, though it is derived in a way similar to how Java is, though not in the way that Self or Objective-C are.

      LambdaMoo and similar systems are very cool, indeed. Something we bring up on the Squeak Smalltalk mailing list sometimes. In addition to the kind of stuff vanilla Smalltalk supports, in a MOO you've also (usually) got a multi-user system spread over multiple servers with full objectspersistance for free. badass.

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    2. Re:Wasn't MOOcode based on Smalltalk? by david.given · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I wrote a multiplayer web game in MOO-code; Stellation. (Now defunct. Server not running, web page very out of date, but the source is still available from CVS on Sourceforge.)

      It's a nice language. A bit baroque in places, but it has lots of nice features if you're programming this kind of thing; persistance (never need to worry about storing your data on disk!); incremental updates (connect to the server and fiddle with the code while it's up and running and serving requests!); a nice threading model (cooperative multitasking with teeth --- your thread has complete control until it suspends, but if you wait too long the thread's killed)... The VM is sophisticated enough that the game server runs its own web server.

      The language itself is sort-of garbage collected (parts are, parts aren't), object oriented with pure dynamic dispatch, has some very nice security measures which I didn't use in Stellation because I wasn't letting users program it, and generally behaves like a slightly gothic Smalltalk with C syntax. Very easy to get used to.

      If you're interested, check it out. I was really rather pleased with that game, and at its peak I got a reasonable number of players. It needs redesigning from the ground up, but I've yet to find a VM that's quite as nice as LambdaMOO for doing it in.

      (Anyone want to adopt it?)

  7. There's no justice I tell you! by kahei · · Score: 2, Informative


    Cobbling together the mass of awkward syntax, unextendability, and tabs that is make ranks alongside actual advancement of human knowledge? I'd rather they'd awarded the prize on the basis of something other than sheer number of victims :)

    Thank goodness for Ant -- teaching the world that we don't need to use make any more was the best thing Java ever did for us.

    Hrm, well, that was my curmudgeonly rant for the day.

    --
    Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
    1. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by alanxyzzy · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Cobbling together the mass of awkward syntax, unextendability, and tabs that is make ranks alongside actual advancement of human knowledge?
      There is an anecdote (I can't vouch for its accuracy) that
      Stuart Feldman, the Bell Labs guy who invented "make", woke up one morning a few weeks after he'd released it, and realized that the syntax basically sucked - all those tabs and colons and weird continuation rules. He started working on something better and was shot down because someone said "Stuart, there are *dozens* of people using this, it's too late to change it."
    2. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by alanxyzzy · · Score: 5, Informative
      A bit more googling turns up this quote from Stuart Feldman
      Why the tab in column 1? Yacc was new, Lex was brand new. I hadn't tried either, so I figured this would be a good excuse to learn. After getting myself snarled up with my first stab at Lex, I just did something simple with the pattern newline-tab. It worked, it stayed. And then a few weeks later I had a user population of about a dozen, most of them friends, and I didn't want to screw up my embedded base. The rest, sadly, is history.
    3. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by kahei · · Score: 1


      *weeps*

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      Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
    4. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      the mass of awkward syntax . . . that is make ranks alongside actual advancement of human knowledge? I'd rather they'd awarded the prize on the basis of something other than sheer number of victims :)
      Thank goodness for Ant.


      <reply tone="sarcastic" style="parody" effectiveness="probably low">
      <conjunction value="Because"></conjunction>
      <gerund value="programming"></gerund>
      <preposition value="in"></preposition>
      <acronym value="XML"></acronym>
      <verb value="is"></verb>
      <adverb value="much"></adverb>
      <adverb value="less"></adverb>
      <adjective value="awkward"></adjective>
      </reply>

    5. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by kahei · · Score: 1


      Wait! You didn't specify the various namespaces that your attributes come from, or provide a DTD or XSD so that I can read your document with a validating reader! You're just NOT LONG-WINDED ENOUGH to use XML!

      Anyway, XML is merely the data format. I'm sure you could bolt a nicer data format onto Ant if you wanted, but the limitations of make are best addressed by using something modern.

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      Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
    6. Re:There's no justice I tell you! by baxissimo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Is Ant better than SCONS?
      http://ant.apache.org/
      http://www.scons.org/

      Seriously, I'm just curious. I've heard a lot more about SCONS than Ant. For instance Blender is switching over to a SCONS build system.

  8. Magical Microsoft Moments. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reminds me of the "Magical Microsoft Moments" story:

    I've been attending the USENIX NT and LISA NT (Large Installation Systems Administration for NT) conference in downtown Seattle this week.

    One of those magical Microsoft moments(tm) happened yesterday and I thought that I'd share. Non-geeks may not find this funny at all, but those in geekdom (particularly UNIX geekdom) will appreciate it.

    Greg Sullivan, a Microsoft product manager (henceforth MPM), was holding forth on a forthcoming product that will provide Unix style scripting and shell services on NT for compatibility and to leverage UNIX expertise that moves to the NT platform. The product suite includes the MKS (Mortise Kern Systems) windowing Korn shell, a windowing PERL, and lots of goodies like awk, sed and grep. It actually fills a nice niche for which other products (like the MKS suite) have either been too highly priced or not well enough integrated.

    An older man, probably mid-50s, stands up in the back of the room and asserts that Microsoft could have done better with their choice of Korn shell. He asks if they had considered others that are more compatible with existing UNIX versions of KSH.

    The MPM said that the MKS shell was pretty compatible and should be able to run all UNIX scripts.

    The questioner again asserted that the MKS shell was not very compatible and didn't do a lot of things right that are defined in the KSH language spec.

    The MPM asserted again that the shell was pretty compatible and shouldwork quite well.

    This assertion and counter assertion went back and forth for a bit, when another fellow member of the audience announced to the MPM that the questioner was, in fact David Korn of AT&T (now Lucent) Bell Labs--the author of the Korn shell.

    Uproarious laughter burst forth from the audience, and it was one of the only times that I have seen a (by then pink cheeked) MPM lost for words or momentarily lacking the usual unflappable confidence.

    1. Re:Magical Microsoft Moments. by rajmobile · · Score: 1

      Like the parent, this story is ripped off from c2: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?KornShellStory

  9. What about Ada, You damn Hippies! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ada Lovelace, the inventor of the first programming language.

  10. He also said.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "I invented the term ObjectOriented, and C++ isn't what I had in mind"

  11. ObQuote by grahamlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I invented the term Object-Oriented Programming, and I can tell you I didn't have C++ in mind Alan Kay, OOPSLA 1997.

    1. Re:ObQuote by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Why not? I always thought C++ was a perfect language for OOPS!

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    2. Re:ObQuote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      C++ is to C as lung cancer is to lung.

    3. Re:ObQuote by grahamlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      C++ gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot.

    4. Re:ObQuote by yarbo · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have originated in California."
      - attributed to Edsger Dijkstra

    5. Re:ObQuote by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Object-oriented programming is an exceptionally bad idea which could only have originated in California."

      Only half right. It originated in Norway by the designers of Simula-67. However, the term perhaps may have been coined in California.

    6. Re:ObQuote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I am Object-Oriented Programming, and I can tell you I didn't have Alan Kay in mind" -- C++, Slashdot 2004

    7. Re:ObQuote by zarr · · Score: 1

      Dijkstra was wrong. It isn't a bad idea, and it didn't originate in California

    8. Re:ObQuote by dbremner · · Score: 1

      "If you think C++ is not overly complicated, just what is a protected abstract virtual base pure virtual private destructor, and when was the last time you needed one?"
      -Tom Cargill, C++ Journal, Fall 1990

      --

      Life is a psychology experiment gone awry.
  12. Make! by pipacs · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make! Just about time. We would be ants without it.

  13. Dr. Stuart I. Feldman deserves the award but... by swapsn · · Score: 3, Funny

    please give him only half the prize money for having tabs as integral part of make syntax :-))


    yes, it was a joke

  14. Re:Alan Kay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need tungsten to live! TUNGSTEN!!!!11111~~

  15. Squeak? I guess I could use a new hobby. by YetAnotherName · · Score: 5, Informative

    SmallTalk was always an intriguing language to me, and mostly because it used some kind of integrated graphic shell, it used glyphs not found in US-ASCII, and there weren't any decent free SmallTalk environments available for the longest time.

    Now with Squeak and this quick tutorial, it might be about time to explore SmallTalk.

    Besides, I've always wanted a real OO language where I could send the message "to:do:" to the object "1".

    1. Re:Squeak? I guess I could use a new hobby. by archivis · · Score: 1

      +1 Sig Funny

      --
      In July O7, I got a mac pro. There's no punchline. Just endless joy and wonder.
    2. Re:Squeak? I guess I could use a new hobby. by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1

      Squeak is very cool, but (at least the last time I looked into it, about a year ago) the documentation for the GUI stuff, esp. tutorials, was extremely lacking. Hopefully that's changed. Even if I was trying to go about things the wrong way, it'd have been nice to have a doc showing the correct way.

  16. Squeak - old news by Percent+Man · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Back in the day," an OOD class I took at Georgia Tech was taught in Squeak - which was widely held to be waning in favor even then. I don't see how it's groundbreaking now.

    Not to say it's good for nothing - Squeak is particularly good at web crawling apps, IIRC.

    As an added bit of trivia, I believe Squeak was so named because one of its biggest proponents is the Mouse himself.

    1. Re:Squeak - old news by RevAaron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Squeak is indeed groundbreaking. That doesn't mean it's the best tool for every job, though. While it is in fact good for a lot of things, web crawling apps wouldn't be one of those that come to mind. I'd use perl most likely, and I'm an huge Squeak user and proponent.

      I can't say whether or not Squeak was named for Disney, although Squeak was developed under Disney for some years, with the team on Disney's payroll. However, Squeak was born at Apple in 95-96, before any Disney involvement.

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    2. Re:Squeak - old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Georgia Tech still teaches classes using Squeak

    3. Re:Squeak - old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think they have switched to Python more recently, though. At least that's what I heard from friends there.

    4. Re:Squeak - old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops that wasn't very clear was it? Same AC here. I was talking about Disney in parent post (#8941583). Disney is who I heard switched from Squeak to Python. I don't know nufin bout no GA Tech or Apple.

    5. Re:Squeak - old news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just submitted my CS2340 project at Georgia Tech. That is the squeak class. The language is quite nice. It was very interesting to learn.

      I'd like to also say the implementation leads to slow and bug-ridden code, one of the problems we've been having all semester. But, it's cool how you can just call methods in any class without having any interface for it.

      What I'd like to mention that in Squeak, there is no native idea of source code files; all your code is stored in the memory image and a massive changes file. When Squeak gets closed accidentally, your changes are usually gone. And version control is a pain; we used Monticello and had success but it's painfully slow.

  17. Squeak is useful in education by mwyner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    We have a 6th grade math teacher in our school I work with who's been using Squeak to talk about various math concepts. The kids are really into it and constantly engaged. They get into making their own objects and it's a great jumping off point for me to teach them some rudimentary programming skills too.

  18. No he did not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Kristen Nygaard invented object-oriented programming together with Ole-Johan Dahl at the Norwegian Computing Center.

    1. Re:No he did not by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      true, however, the quote was, "I am. I'm AlanKay and I invented the term." which is still accurate.

    2. Re:No he did not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably it won't be long until some other american claims he invented the term windows. Oh, wait ...

    3. Re:No he did not by BerntB · · Score: 1
      Probably it won't be long until some other american claims he invented the term windows. Oh, wait ...

      No, that word is also Norwegian! :-)

      Original -- vindöga. Literally, Wind Eye.

      (Since that time we Scandinavians have imported the French (?) word for windows. At least here in Sweden.)

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  19. Be "Different". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is intriging, but it's main disadvantage is that it is different. And as the history of computing has shown, different isn't "good enough". Also it can be hard to wrap one's brain around some of the ideas. Try reading a beginners book on OOPs, and see the furrowed brows grow.

  20. Re:Alan Kay by loveaxelrod · · Score: 0

    Which tool do you mean?

  21. Squeak - not so old after all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You should really take the time to get up to speed on the new stuff if you haven't paid attention since school.

    Check out this web-app technology built (first) in squeak, now also available in the descendant to ParcPlace smalltalk (now Cincom Smalltalk)

    Also of interest is croquet, a virtual 3d environment. I saw a live demo of this where the presenter (David Smith, one of the engineers) showed his avatar moving between worlds existing one each on two separate machines. It was not fast, but not as slow as you might expect.

    Also, smalltalk solutions is next week (in Seattle) so come by if you're interested and available.

    P.S. what is now known as Squeak was started at Apple. The Squeak group left Apple during Amelio's reign when the company was gutting it's research depts.

  22. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Smalltalk's an...interesting choice for teaching math considering it's strict left to right evaluation and no operator precedence

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      It's a good choice, for precisely those reasons. Maths is not about the particular notation used, and in fact, "intuitive" infix notation with precedence rules... isn't sensible at all. It's just drummed into you at an early age. Like the fucking stupid place close buttons are placed in windows that means even linux window managers default to it now.

      A similarly good choice for teaching maths would be lisp or forth.

  23. My All Time Favorite Quote by Dorsai42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Perspective is worth 50 points of IQ. -Alan Kay

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    If you forget about the future, the future will forget about you.
  24. Re:I HATE Dr. Stuart I. Feldman !!! by grahamlee · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'll love whitespace then, I reckon. Unfortunately it isn't Object Oriented so I'm not on topic :-(

  25. Re:Alan Kay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think Apple should dedicate a building to him.

    And name it the "Al Kay Hall". Of course, it should have a bar in it.

  26. Alan Kay is awesome by streak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So Alan Kay used to work in a segment of our offices devoted to Squeak development before he officially joined up with HP. I've met him a few times and I've worked very closely with one of his collegues who is actually leaving my company to join Alan again at HP.
    He is an amazing guy and Squeak is a pretty cool language/environment to program in.
    Its nice to see his work with Squeak finally being recognized. Word has it that he and some other people (including the guy who is leaving our company) are going to be working on some educational software in Squeak that will come with HP PCs.

  27. In case you didn't know by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 3, Informative
    As a side note, Alan Kay took a lot of ideas from the original object oriented language, Simula, created by Norwegian researcher in the late 60's.

    Simula is still used and there is a research facility named after it.

    1. Re:In case you didn't know by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Alan Kay took a lot of ideas from the original object oriented language, Simula

      The Simula people already won the award years earlier IIRC.

  28. A Great Squeak Demo by dreadway · · Score: 1

    Here's a good sample of what Smalltalk's about, from the Squeak site. (I hope that link is the right format.)

    1. Re:A Great Squeak Demo by dreadway · · Score: 2, Informative

      non-linky address:
      http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/5

      *sigh*

  29. Alan Kay Etech 2003 presentation by redlum · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a presentation at Etech 2003 Alan Kay gave on some early computer projects that were way ahead of their time and he also demoed his latest project: Croquet -- which is a 3D collaborative environment pretty close to Metaverse.

  30. Is Squeak your problem? by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having installed Squeak on Windows, Linux, and Mac, I can say that I've never had a problem with Squeak.

    There are two factors here, that I can see: Squeak, and Windows 2000. Which is the more reliable of the two? I think I know...

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  31. Someone to tell by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1

    My friend will be real happy to hear about this. He's a serious smalltalk geek.

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  32. Re:The award... by BigBadBri · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Turing was a homosexual, true. But not a closet homosexual at all.

    His suicide had a lot more to do with the intolerance of the times (homosexuality was illegal in the UK back then, and he still worked for the Security Services) than with any guilt - he had allowed himself to be sentenced to state oestrogen poisoning in 1952, and never accepted that his homosexuality was wrong.

    It's a pity he's not around now - homosexuality is almost compulsory in Manchester's 'Gay Village', just round the corner from where he finished his life's work.

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  33. Re:I invented the (language)! by darkonc · · Score: 3, Funny
    Grace Hopper was at the University of Alberta, in the early 80'. At a reception for her, she was talking to a friend of mine (who shall remain unnamed), and commented that there were a number of people at the University who had done a lot of work on the early days of Cobol, and wondered why there was so little (almost no) mention of it in the department.

    "Maybe they're ashamed of it!" quipped my friend, in reply.

    Another (better informed) friend quickly pulled him aside and explained that Grace had been one of the prime movers in the design of Cobol.

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  34. Re:Alan Kay Receives Ninnle Award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This CAN'T be offtopic! Thisis Ninnle, after all! Is it offtopic just because of this? Come on! Next thing, anything with Microsoft in it will be considered offtopic!

  35. Misquoted. by voodoo1man · · Score: 3, Informative
    The actual quote is:

    "It is the difference of point of view that leads to problems: point of view is worth 80 IQ points."

    It is from an essay of Alan Kay's, printed in Winston and Prendergast's (eds.) AI Business, 1984.

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  36. Re:I invented the (language)! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    One of the reasons that Adm. Hopper was so cool was that she would have wholeheartedly agreed with your friend.

    It was a great regret of hers that COBOL remained the state of the art for as long as it did. She never intended for it to become an entrenched obstacle to CS progress for 30 years.

  37. He should be higly pleased by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Funny

    Since we can assume a Turing Award is an award capable of modelling all other awards, which makes it functionally equivalent to a Nobel Prize, Oscar, Grammy and Bronze Swimming Certificate.

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  38. What Ant's creator has to say about that by baxissimo · · Score: 1

    Executive summary: XML was a bad idea

  39. Isn't this news item 17 years late? by AnuradhaRatnaweera · · Score: 1

    According to the ACM site, Alan Kay received the award in 1987! This year, well last year to be precise, it goes to Stuart Feldman.

    1. Re:Isn't this news item 17 years late? by AnuradhaRatnaweera · · Score: 1

      Ooops... I think I got the two awards mixed up. Hope someone would waste a bit of Karma to moderate my earlier post ;-)

  40. Congratulations! by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 1

    My sincerest congratulations! This is an unbelievably prestigious award and in my opinion absolutely deserved in this case. Some people might not realize how hard it is to pass the Turing test. It is a really Big Deal. Bravo.

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    Pan Tarhei Hosé, PhD.
    "Homo sum et cogito ergo odi profanum vulgus et libido."
  41. C makes it easy to shoot by Kulilin · · Score: 1

    In Stroustrup's own words:

    "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."

  42. Dr. Kay's deep interest in children and education by Phoe6 · · Score: 1

    Dr. Kay's deep interest in children and education led him to use Smalltalk as an early vehicle for teaching computing concepts at the elementary school level. Good amount of /. posts have a proof of it where few teachers said that squeak was used to teach young students. Thanks and Congratulations Dr.Kay.

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  43. One question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft product manager (henceforth MPM), was holding forth on a forthcoming product

    Was this product written in Forth, by any chance?