Who cares about stupid extra symbols? Just because the yanks have their S with strikes, is a special symbol needed? Why not just use plain old 'e'? I'll keep using that (although I'd rather have stuck to using marks.. eu sucks, a fscking megacorp lobbying organization). (And I couldn't have thought of a worse name for the currency...)
The treaty is quite vague (as legislative text is always) and I'm too lazy to read it well enough. I'm just wondering if this means if this means that while my MP3 collection is perfectly legal in Finland (sharing publicly is not, but downloading and storing is), I could be prosecuted in another country where it isn't? Sick. Otherwise it doesn't seem to add much to existing copyright treaties and the rest of the articles don't seem all that bad. (Which doesn't mean the treaty isn't evil.)
Yeah, right. Such an evil directive has already been accepted by the council: http://eurorights.org/eudmca/ . It will just take some time before it becomes a law in the member states.
See also http://eurorights.org/twiki/bin/view/Eurorights/We bHome .
> I doubt it. The entire world supports the U.S. including Pakistan.
So you think... That may be the official opinion of many countries but certainly there is a lot of anti-US atmosphere. I certainly do not support US. They have just shown once again that they are no better than the terrorists. "We're only targetting military and terrorist sites"... yeah, right, we'll see. What has the taliban military done to you? Nothing. Just get the fsck out of there and everywhere else and stay on your own continent! (And keep your DMCA too! We don't need stinking Euro-DMCA.)
In Finland we also have these so called "teostomaksut" (Teosto==local RIAA==local evil*) and they are as high as $0.16 per CD-R or around 20% (!) of the price of a cheap CD-R.
* Teosto already sued some poor student's ass of for distributing as few as 150 files with cutemx. I think they initially wanted as high compensations as 3Mmk (somewhere between $0.4M-$0.5M, not bothering to check the rates of exchange) (or was it 30?) but that reduced to 1/100:th in the court.
> By the sheer amount of DX games out there, isn't it obvious that the game industry doesn't find DX clunky and hard to program in.
But those who make the decisions don't do the programming, in general?
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> The bottom line is that IRC, in and of itself, has very little going for it as an open forum: it's harder to learn and use; it's laggy; its service is poor
That only matters when there are people around the world on the same channel. But I don't think any system of that scale could manage much better. The internet is lagged and slow these days. Sometimes it takes ages to load web pages overseas (that is, the US) because the network at some point is totally lagged there.
But when all the people on a channel are using the same or nearby servers, IRC usually works very well. That happens be the case with all the channels I'm on. Everyone uses the university IRC server located just a couple of hundred metres from here.
You hit the nail. If the current trend continues and the Hague treaty becomes reality (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/hague.html), it will eventually be impossible for non-corporations/non-millionaries to write any kind free software, both as in speech and beer. Programmers become a modern proletariat in a certain sense. And this is exactly what the corporations want. They want to own everything.
> So, you can see, there are in fact examples in which our current culture _already_ balances the rights of content producers with the rights of the content consumers.... People in the IP discussion about music/movies/etc will not benefit from this analogy, though
I don't know about the US, but in Finland we do have music in public libraries and it is perfectly legal to make a copy of what you have loaned. But I wonder how long given the current trend and Euro-DMCA. Indeed, I seriously doubt that if libraries were invented now, not in the distant past, that they'd ever become anything more than just an idea.
I think the "for commercial purposes" only applies to the last "possession", not the whole statement. So, one would be allowed to possess a copy of DeCSS for non-commercial purposes but not distribute or even write such pieces of code. However, (b) may provide a loophole for commercial software/devices in some cases, but not for free.
See http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/. The directive articles themselves are at the end of http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/CopyrightDirectiv e.html and it really looks like that bad things are coming our way. Especially bad looks the part "(b) have only a limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent, or ". Also, the recitals say that "In particular, this protection should not hinder research into cryptography. " but nothing like this is ever mentioned in the articles. The page mentioned above also links to Wiki site with some discussion on this.
2. Member States shall provide adequate legal protection against the manufacture, import, distribution,
sale, rental, advertisement for sale or rental, or possession for commercial purposes of devices,
products or components or the provision of services which:
(a) are promoted, advertised or marketed for the purpose of circumvention of, or
(b) have only a limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent, or
(c) are primarily designed, produced, adapted or performed for the purpose of enabling or facilitating the
circumvention of, any effective technological measures.
So, the directive specifically prohibits free software such as DeCSS but might allow writing unlicensed commercial software to perform the same task.
There's a petition to free Dmitry at dibona.com. The Free Skryalov page links to this but a direct link here might be appropriate. Please go sign it. Notable signatories include many of the most notable persons in the free software movement as seen on the page.
Yeah, we really should do something, before it is too late. This new directive got passed without too much noise, and there has been no mention of it in the media -- just what the media companies want. What will be making the decision of making this a Finnish law? We really need to protest this. I think we should also have had a "Free Dmitry!" protest in support of our Russian and American friends in front of the US embassy. We need to show the world under what kind of corporate tyranny these new legislations place everyone!
7. It shall be illegal to attempt by means of contracts take away the rights of the author of a work. That is, copyright can not be transferred, and the creative person or group thereof behind a work _always_ holds the copyright.
> Many Marxist and totalitarian communist regimes are desperately trying to come to terms with the most effective tool for democratic change yet devised.
Having finally got to reading the communist manifesto and related material, I must insert a note here. In communism, by definition, there is no such thing as a ruling class. The USSR practically had such, and so does the China. Indeed, the countries that have been called communisms have been more like _totalitarian state capitalisms_.
Infact, one could interpret that true communism would be a truely free society:
"In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an
association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."
Most artists do not earn that much a concert. How about those artists that don't draw full stadiums but rather bars full and yet who'd rather spend time making records? Let us not forget non-mainstream artists, please.
Then there are these projects essentially based on various guest musicians (e.g. Ayreon) who have their own bands and so simply can not be performed live; it would be quite difficult to get all those singers and players together on a gig. And yet the guy behind the project tries to make a living out of it.
As long as computer displays are bulky, shiny, reflective and far inferior to paper in resolution, dead-tree publishing isn't going anywhere. Yes, currently thin LCD-based devices are possible that aren't bigger than a book and can thus be taken where one wants to read, but the display still sucks. I simply can not intently read anything from a shiny light-projecting device with visible pixels.
> Personally I plan on doing all my futere encoding at the same bit rate looking for the (hopefully) improved quality over MP3.
I just wonder why don't people use VBR? Why waste lot of space for simple parts of the music or lose quality at the more complicated parts? Let the encoder decide how much bits are needed the achive wanted quality. I always encode with lame -V3.
(I probably should not reply to this troll but I'm doing it anyway. How the hell is it +2?)
> Apple has no control over the openness of Sorenson's codec.
You can find a lot of discussion on this in slashdot, and by reading it, you can find that Apple does not let Sorenson to license the codec to anyone else. The author of Xanim would even have agreed to license the technology, but he can't because Apple won't let Sorensen to license it to him. So, yes, Apple is evil because of this.
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Who cares about stupid extra symbols? Just because the yanks have their S with strikes, is a special symbol needed? Why not just use plain old 'e'? I'll keep using that (although I'd rather have stuck to using marks.. eu sucks, a fscking megacorp lobbying organization). (And I couldn't have thought of a worse name for the currency...)
The treaty is quite vague (as legislative text is always) and I'm too lazy to read it well enough. I'm just wondering if this means if this means that while my MP3 collection is perfectly legal in Finland (sharing publicly is not, but downloading and storing is), I could be prosecuted in another country where it isn't? Sick. Otherwise it doesn't seem to add much to existing copyright treaties and the rest of the articles don't seem all that bad. (Which doesn't mean the treaty isn't evil.)
> Let's just hope that the Russians and Europeans will help us out when our time comes.
Where USA goes, Europe follows. But you can always hope.<a href="http://uk.eurorights.org/">Beware the EUCD!</a>
> --NO DCMA in EUROPE!--
e bHome .
Yeah, right. Such an evil directive has already been accepted by the council: http://eurorights.org/eudmca/ . It will just take some time before it becomes a law in the member states.
See also http://eurorights.org/twiki/bin/view/Eurorights/W
> I doubt it. The entire world supports the U.S. including Pakistan.
So you think... That may be the official opinion of many countries but certainly there is a lot of anti-US atmosphere. I certainly do not support US. They have just shown once again that they are no better than the terrorists. "We're only targetting military and terrorist sites"... yeah, right, we'll see. What has the taliban military done to you? Nothing. Just get the fsck out of there and everywhere else and stay on your own continent! (And keep your DMCA too! We don't need stinking Euro-DMCA.)
In Finland we also have these so called "teostomaksut" (Teosto==local RIAA==local evil*) and they are as high as $0.16 per CD-R or around 20% (!) of the price of a cheap CD-R.
* Teosto already sued some poor student's ass of for distributing as few as 150 files with cutemx. I think they initially wanted as high compensations as 3Mmk (somewhere between $0.4M-$0.5M, not bothering to check the rates of exchange) (or was it 30?) but that reduced to 1/100:th in the court.
> By the sheer amount of DX games out there, isn't it obvious that the game industry doesn't find DX clunky and hard to program in.
But those who make the decisions don't do the programming, in general?
> The bottom line is that IRC, in and of itself, has very little going for it as an open forum: it's harder to learn and use; it's laggy; its service is poor
That only matters when there are people around the world on the same channel. But I don't think any system of that scale could manage much better. The internet is lagged and slow these days. Sometimes it takes ages to load web pages overseas (that is, the US) because the network at some point is totally lagged there.
But when all the people on a channel are using the same or nearby servers, IRC usually works very well. That happens be the case with all the channels I'm on. Everyone uses the university IRC server located just a couple of hundred metres from here.
You hit the nail. If the current trend continues and the Hague treaty becomes reality (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/hague.html), it will eventually be impossible for non-corporations/non-millionaries to write any kind free software, both as in speech and beer. Programmers become a modern proletariat in a certain sense. And this is exactly what the corporations want. They want to own everything.
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> So, you can see, there are in fact examples in which our current culture _already_ balances the rights of content producers with the rights of the content consumers. ... People in the IP discussion about music/movies/etc will not benefit from this analogy, though
I don't know about the US, but in Finland we do have music in public libraries and it is perfectly legal to make a copy of what you have loaned. But I wonder how long given the current trend and Euro-DMCA. Indeed, I seriously doubt that if libraries were invented now, not in the distant past, that they'd ever become anything more than just an idea.
I think the "for commercial purposes" only applies to the last "possession", not the whole statement. So, one would be allowed to possess a copy of DeCSS for non-commercial purposes but not distribute or even write such pieces of code. However, (b) may provide a loophole for commercial software/devices in some cases, but not for free.
See http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/. The directive articles themselves are at the end of http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/CopyrightDirectiv e.html and it really looks like that bad things are coming our way. Especially bad looks the part "(b) have only a limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent, or ". Also, the recitals say that "In particular, this protection should not hinder research into cryptography. " but nothing like this is ever mentioned in the articles. The page mentioned above also links to Wiki site with some discussion on this.
So, the directive specifically prohibits free software such as DeCSS but might allow writing unlicensed commercial software to perform the same task.
(See http://www.eurorights.org/eudmca/ for the directive.)
What are you waiting for? Go sign the petition.
Damn it, got way too many mistakes in that: The bold should and after "do something" and "When will be decision of making this a Finnish law be made?"
Yeah, we really should do something, before it is too late. This new directive got passed without too much noise, and there has been no mention of it in the media -- just what the media companies want. What will be making the decision of making this a Finnish law? We really need to protest this. I think we should also have had a "Free Dmitry!" protest in support of our Russian and American friends in front of the US embassy. We need to show the world under what kind of corporate tyranny these new legislations place everyone!
7. It shall be illegal to attempt by means of contracts take away the rights of the author of a work. That is, copyright can not be transferred, and the creative person or group thereof behind a work _always_ holds the copyright.
> Many Marxist and totalitarian communist regimes are desperately trying to come to terms with the most effective tool for democratic change yet devised.
Having finally got to reading the communist manifesto and related material, I must insert a note here. In communism, by definition, there is no such thing as a ruling class. The USSR practically had such, and so does the China. Indeed, the countries that have been called communisms have been more like _totalitarian state capitalisms_.
Infact, one could interpret that true communism would be a truely free society:
"In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an
association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all."
Most artists do not earn that much a concert. How about those artists that don't draw full stadiums but rather bars full and yet who'd rather spend time making records? Let us not forget non-mainstream artists, please.
Then there are these projects essentially based on various guest musicians (e.g. Ayreon) who have their own bands and so simply can not be performed live; it would be quite difficult to get all those singers and players together on a gig. And yet the guy behind the project tries to make a living out of it.
As long as computer displays are bulky, shiny, reflective and far inferior to paper in resolution, dead-tree publishing isn't going anywhere. Yes, currently thin LCD-based devices are possible that aren't bigger than a book and can thus be taken where one wants to read, but the display still sucks. I simply can not intently read anything from a shiny light-projecting device with visible pixels.
> Personally I plan on doing all my futere encoding at the same bit rate looking for the (hopefully) improved quality over MP3.
I just wonder why don't people use VBR? Why waste lot of space for simple parts of the music or lose quality at the more complicated parts? Let the encoder decide how much bits are needed the achive wanted quality. I always encode with lame -V3.
>But then, since nothing except bels are measured in deci or deca in the real world, I could very well have that backwards.
Actually, decilitres (1dl=0.1l=0.1dm^3) are often used in baking recipes, for example.
> Apple has no control over the openness of Sorenson's codec.
You can find a lot of discussion on this in slashdot, and by reading it, you can find that Apple does not let Sorenson to license the codec to anyone else. The author of Xanim would even have agreed to license the technology, but he can't because Apple won't let Sorensen to license it to him. So, yes, Apple is evil because of this.
And it is just one word: Sorensen.
(And let us not forget the past case of infringing on their UI design and whatever other crap their legal dept. pushes...)
But serioisly, I'd rather be using Apple or any other hardware but x86 crap that we're mostly stuck with now --- due prices.