It's all for naught anyways. Our population and technology has out paced job growth. We need to realize there simply wont be any more jobs for the majority of the population as time marches forward. Unions wont matter, free markets wont matter. The only thing that will matter is how governments will deal with rationing out services to their population. Eventually everything will just be entirely automated, so we will have to deal with a lot of free time to continue our educations and explore the world. Stuff like arguing over unions, capitalism, socialism is pointless. We're on the cusp of it all being entirely irrelevant.
That cusp might take another 20, 50 or 100 years (or whatever).
Until that time, arguing over unions, capitalism and socialism remains necessary.
I find it very much in line with other moves the US has taken against privacy and the funding of 'undesirable elements' that we've seen in the recent past.
Following the link in TFA the email from Payson translates imperfectly but readably (via Google translate) to:
Payson when recently updated its policy on payments. 1 associated with this examined your nemsida ocn then noticed that you verKsamnet unfortunately not meets the requirements of Payson.
Payson when restrictions are against anonymization (including VPN services) That when as a result decided to Payson unfortunately no longer can give your Customers ability to fund the payment via their card (VISA or MasterCard). Changes Will be done 2013-07-01 ocn then no longer possible for you to take against this type of tranSactIOnS through Payson's integrated payment solution. The restriction does not affect the rest of your insättningsmetedeL Payson ocn possibility inieggad the Account implement tranSactIOnS Will not NOR to affected by the change. We apologize if this causes problems for you ocn are available to help you solve This conflict with the policy wherever possible. Sincerely, Payson
Surely Mortgage Investors Corporation pulled in far more than $7.5 Million with this fraud. And they certainly caused more than $7.5 Million in damages to their victims and the rest society by blowing phone spam into the property bubble. What's to stop them or anyone else from doing it again? This should have been a criminal case. Prison for the CEO and board of directors would be more of a deterrent for corporate crimes.
"The Federal Trade Commission today said it has won a $7.5 million civil penalty"
They're not out to fix anything by putting people in prison. They're out to get money.
" At some point computers / robotics will be able to do almost any job that humans can do." Plumber, electrician, mathematician, sociologist, interior designer, exterior designer, artist, policeman, fireman, physicist, chemist, biologist, bridge builder, ship builder, welder, house builder, farmer, politician, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, civil engineer, drilling rig worker, conservation officer, park ranger, house painter, auto mechanic (even electric vehicles need repairs), MBA (okay, we get the monkeys to do this), Ballmer (would a dancing Monkey-bot be nearly as entertaining even with the artificial sweat glands and synthesized voice), Autistic Gates in a courtroom, Larry Ellison (what bot could exhibit this sort of ego), doctor, nurse, window replacement contractor, tree removal guy, landscaper, supermarket manager, teacher, botanist, rock star, music composer, TV show director, movie director, priest, nun, monk, The Pope, Islamo-Facsist nutjob, Imam, Rabbi, Mullah, goat herder, fish farm operator, tuna boat captain, cat breeder, cat, Nicko McBrain, insulation installer, heavy appliance installer, logician, sports star, baseball manager, sex symbol, airheaded heiress, script writer, rocket scientist, weapons designer, FBI or CIA agent, cabinet secretary, coffee taster, wine taster, comedian, sewer worker, garbage man, carpet installer, philosopher, tax fraud investigator.
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Cat:-) Doesn't pay well but sure:-)
Goat herder doesn't pay much better.
Religion - agreed. Entertainment (including sports), agreed. Arts also probably not (though not sure as we're already seeing 100% computer generated 'models' being used in clothing ads). Science - for now, yes - in the future, not sure. Depends on whether the singularity happens or not.
A lot of the jobs you list are actually already being done by AI to some degree. It will only get more so over time.
- teacher (ie online education programs already happening)
- farmer...how many people work in agriculture now compared to before?
- doctor - lots of work going into automating this. Overseen by doctors now but in the future...maybe, maybe not.
- supermarket manager - only required so long as supermarkets aren't completely automated; even if they're only almost automated (for now we see electronic checkouts but why not eventually automated stocking, cleaning, etc?) the number of jobs available will drop)
- wine taster...there's actually a project going on this right now to build a taster to identify counterfeit wines
Lots of the jobs you mention can't be done today but I do believe will be able to be done in the future.
- house painter
- construction of any type
- mechanics of any type
- sewer worker...why not?
So yes - I think that at some point the number of jobs available will fall to the point where a large percentage of the population either cannot find work or cannot find enough work to pay the bills.
Where do you find 1 million gainful jobs to replace all of the inefficient human labor they're replacing?
I don't mean to be trite but the answer is, with other companies doing other things. Believe it or not seeing China beginning to automate production is a very positive sign for Chinese workers because it means that pay rates are increasing. If you have unlimited low cost labor there is no point in automating many tasks. But wages in China have been steadily rising to the point where China is now sometimes not competitive with other places. That means they will have to begin to automate some work to remain competitive. Automation being installed is an indicator of rising wages. I'm not even slightly exaggerating when I say it means that millions of people are being pulled out of poverty.
I see this logical fallacy again and again that replacing labor with automation is a zero sum game. It demonstrably is not. The computer you are reading this on has replaced millions of clerical workers who now do other things. Automation replaces some labor but frees it to do more than it could before. Washing clothes used to be a hugely time consuming task but we developed tools (automation) to wash for us and we spend our time on other things. Is it better that we spend our time having people type things repeatedly on typewriters or should we use a word processor and print it once? It isn't that there is suddenly no work, it's that now people have time to accomplish tasks that there wasn't time to accomplish before.
It is not a zero sum game...today. At some point computers / robotics will be able to do almost any job that humans can do. It's only a question of time.
If the number on man hours per year needed to produce the products I use decreases, then I should get to work less right? Less work for everyone, more free time and the same amount of Chinese electronics! A higher percent of the money then goes to research and development, where most of the people can be employed, but work less hours. I'm looking forward to working 10 hours a week!
More free time for everyone means more cool projects, more web comics, more opens source software, more political involvement, more educated people, and even time to really think! More time to make you own food, raise your own kids, and other things that add even more efficiency and thus further reductions in hours to work!
How I wish that were true. I'd gladly work 1/2 time for 1/3 pay as it is (I'd love to share my job with the unemployed, but I can't). If stuff gets more affordable, working 40 hours a week is going to be even more overkill. If it didn't suck so much to be unemployed in the US (say we provided at least what we give the prisoners: food, shelter, and healthcare), I'd be happy to take time off work without fear I'd get stuck jobless. Our economy is kinda messed up.
lol
Try working in China, India or any developing or under-developed country for awhile and then we'll see if you complain about working in the USA.
With regard to the idea of working less and having more free time...the French tried that. It's possible, but against international competition where there are no labor laws it doesn't work very well.
Also, it would be socialism to have a shorter work week and we all know how evil socialism is.
India’s outsourcing giants — faced with rising wages at home — have looked for growth opportunities in the United States. But with Washington crimping visas for visiting Indian workers, some companies such as Aegis are slowly hiring workers in North America, where their largest corporate customers are based. In this evolution, outsourcing has come home.
In addition, Foxconn's CEO said the company is prepared to expand its manufacturing in the U.S., but the move will depend on "economic factors." The company already has factories in Indianapolis and Houston, and employs thousands of workers in the country, according to Gou. -- more
I suspect the problem is that the application forms that the submitter has to fill out, require certain degrees and get tossed into the trash if those requirements aren't met. And probably by the lowest level HR person at the firm.
One of the things I noticed years back before I gave up on IT was that they wanted very specific requirements to even allow the application to submit. And that was before the most recent economic downturn. It's probably gotten even worse now.
I'm guessing they were trying to get foreign workers in. Making a job as specific and difficult to fill as possible is par for the course to reduce or eliminate the possibility of having to hire more expensive domestic resource - gets around any local law saying that the company has to fail to hire domestically before they can import labor.
If you are anything outside of the "norm" in the field, the best advice I can give you comes in two parts:
1.) Be willing to work for a little less than the going rate.
2.) Focus on smaller companies who are less likely to have automated resume screening systems. Wouldn't hurt if the owner of the company had a little gray himself.
The truth is that although it's better than 3 years ago, the job market is still a bitch. Don't give up, and hard as it may be, don't take rejections personally and let them get you down on yourself.
Have to disagree.
If you have the experience - or the skills and the appearance of having the experience, then don't sell yourself cheaper. At least try and sell yourself as a serious, reliable, experienced alternative to those fast running not caring kids. (no offense kids)
Customers do not always make the least cost choice.
The Chinese have successfully copied Cisco's HW so there's no reason to buy the genuine product.
First, the Chinese have not copied all products only a subset.
Second, when you buy from a company you aren't only buying hardware. You're buying a solution - including support, service, software (the copied software, though evolved, still contains the Cisco bugs that were in it when it was copied years ago not to mention whatever has happened to it in the meantime).
So there are still good reasons to buy from Cisco, even if it costs more.
Oh, thanks. I've just learned something. I have used resistance to antibiotics as an example of real-time observable evolution. If it is actually lateral transfer, then this example won't hold. Good to know!
Didn't it have to evolve before it could be laterally transferred?
Confirmation from an American authority that Bitcoin is a legitimate form of money. A form of money they have absolutely no control over. [Nelson Muntz] Ha-ha! [/Nelson Muntz]
Or they might be talking about USD transfers to buy/sell bitcoins (and yes I know that doesn't apply to the foundation any more than bitcoin transfers does)
Yeah, I got a primitive one in my own car. I just opened it up and wired the nvram reset to the ignition. Whenever the car turns off, it fires the reset. It's an amnesiac vehicle now. Of course, not everyone knows how to do this, but hey.
And the people who live there aren't doing a fucking thing about it are they? Do you think they don't know who it is?
Why is it they I'm guilty for standing aside and watching a crime against humanity, but they are absolved?
If they had such a problem against it, they'd do something about it. They do not. They are only slightly different than the ones actually perform the bombings.
You could be talking about the USA here just as easily.
God is all-knowing and did know that this was going to happen and had a plan in place to deal with it...Jesus
God is all powerful but in allowing free will (giving you the ability to choose) He has allowed evil as much as we desire it. People choose evil. You may not choose God. Who do you choose? If you are not for Him, you are against Him. Do you know who else is against God? Evil doesn't force itself on people. If God didn't allow this choice, you would be called a robot and have only good to do and not allowed to do anything else. The next logical question is why should there be free will. The answer is that love is only love when it is freely chosen. If your child is forced to love you, is it really love? If your child chooses to love you, you know the difference.
God is good, all the time. He does allow evil, but never condones approves or encourages priests to do evil things. That is each person's choice.
These are good questions. Keep them coming!
The best thing about religion is that when something good happens, it's god's doing. When something bad happens, it's man's own fault out of free choice.
I can't believe I'm seeing genocide advocated on slashdot... and up-voted.
Do you not understand that western governments, and particularly the U.S. and U.N., have been fucking with the entire african and mid-east region for centuries? Colonization, genocide, propping up dictatorships, mass-depopulation, stealing resources, military occupations, institutionalized rape and slavery...
How the hell do you justify your "fuck these guys, they're annoying me, kill them all" attitude to yourself? You want them to leave you alone? It's really simple. Leave *them* the fuck alone.
I don't know how much more of this world I can stand. The ignorance and stupidity and *immorality* of even the intellectual elites of modern society disgust and frighten me.
Let's add Central and South Americas to your list...
Once again we prove the principle, Sunlight is the best disinfection. These guys, the NSA and the big internet companies, were happy to share your data UNTIL the light was shone on them. Then they scattered like cockroaches when you turn the lights on.
If memory serves, a group of small Russian children presented one of our embassies a gift of a beautiful wooden state seal to hang on the wall. Unbeknown to anyone in the embassy at the time, it contained a small passive bug built within and that allowed the Russians to listen in to priviledged embassy conversations. The seal is now hanging up a the NSA museum in Columbia, Maryland. So the question is, who made the phones for this hotline?
If I'm talking about the weight of the apples and you start talking about their flavour, it's not going to change their weight - no matter how much I might agree with you.
Though I will note that in Russia dash-cams have become rather popular with the driving public. With SCOTUS recently upholding the right to record officers in public, and the price of wearables continuing to drop, I would not be at all surprised to see an upsurge in US sousveillance.
I did say 'without oversight' - oversight including any type of recorded evidence if the police should abuse their power. Without this, people cannot hope to protect themselves against bad cops.
The weight of an apple is immaterial if it's rotten to the core.
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It's all for naught anyways. Our population and technology has out paced job growth. We need to realize there simply wont be any more jobs for the majority of the population as time marches forward. Unions wont matter, free markets wont matter. The only thing that will matter is how governments will deal with rationing out services to their population. Eventually everything will just be entirely automated, so we will have to deal with a lot of free time to continue our educations and explore the world. Stuff like arguing over unions, capitalism, socialism is pointless. We're on the cusp of it all being entirely irrelevant.
That cusp might take another 20, 50 or 100 years (or whatever).
Until that time, arguing over unions, capitalism and socialism remains necessary.
Does anyone else find this story very suspicious?
No
I find it very much in line with other moves the US has taken against privacy and the funding of 'undesirable elements' that we've seen in the recent past.
Following the link in TFA the email from Payson translates imperfectly but readably (via Google translate) to:
Payson when recently updated its policy on payments. 1 associated with this
examined your nemsida ocn then noticed that you verKsamnet unfortunately not
meets the requirements of Payson.
Payson when restrictions are against anonymization (including VPN services)
That when as a result decided to Payson unfortunately no longer can give your Customers
ability to fund the payment via their card (VISA or MasterCard).
Changes Will be done 2013-07-01 ocn then no longer possible for you to take
against this type of tranSactIOnS through Payson's integrated payment solution.
The restriction does not affect the rest of your insättningsmetedeL Payson ocn
possibility inieggad the Account implement tranSactIOnS Will not NOR to
affected by the change.
We apologize if this causes problems for you ocn are available to help you solve
This conflict with the policy wherever possible.
Sincerely,
Payson
Surely Mortgage Investors Corporation pulled in far more than $7.5 Million with this fraud. And they certainly caused more than $7.5 Million in damages to their victims and the rest society by blowing phone spam into the property bubble. What's to stop them or anyone else from doing it again? This should have been a criminal case. Prison for the CEO and board of directors would be more of a deterrent for corporate crimes.
"The Federal Trade Commission today said it has won a $7.5 million civil penalty"
They're not out to fix anything by putting people in prison. They're out to get money.
It's all bullshit.
The USA either thought or didn't think that Saddam had WMD - they went in anyway.
The USA and everyone else knows full well that Kim not only has nukes but threatens to use them..and doesn't do jack shit about it.
Did someone say Bush Oil ?
I say AI - I should have said automation which may or may not involve AI
" At some point computers / robotics will be able to do almost any job that humans can do." Plumber, electrician, mathematician, sociologist, interior designer, exterior designer, artist, policeman, fireman, physicist, chemist, biologist, bridge builder, ship builder, welder, house builder, farmer, politician, electrical engineer, mechanical engineer, civil engineer, drilling rig worker, conservation officer, park ranger, house painter, auto mechanic (even electric vehicles need repairs), MBA (okay, we get the monkeys to do this), Ballmer (would a dancing Monkey-bot be nearly as entertaining even with the artificial sweat glands and synthesized voice), Autistic Gates in a courtroom, Larry Ellison (what bot could exhibit this sort of ego), doctor, nurse, window replacement contractor, tree removal guy, landscaper, supermarket manager, teacher, botanist, rock star, music composer, TV show director, movie director, priest, nun, monk, The Pope, Islamo-Facsist nutjob, Imam, Rabbi, Mullah, goat herder, fish farm operator, tuna boat captain, cat breeder, cat, Nicko McBrain, insulation installer, heavy appliance installer, logician, sports star, baseball manager, sex symbol, airheaded heiress, script writer, rocket scientist, weapons designer, FBI or CIA agent, cabinet secretary, coffee taster, wine taster, comedian, sewer worker, garbage man, carpet installer, philosopher, tax fraud investigator.
I'm sure I'm missing a few.
Cat :-) Doesn't pay well but sure :-)
Goat herder doesn't pay much better.
Religion - agreed. Entertainment (including sports), agreed. Arts also probably not (though not sure as we're already seeing 100% computer generated 'models' being used in clothing ads). Science - for now, yes - in the future, not sure. Depends on whether the singularity happens or not.
A lot of the jobs you list are actually already being done by AI to some degree. It will only get more so over time.
- teacher (ie online education programs already happening)
- farmer...how many people work in agriculture now compared to before?
- doctor - lots of work going into automating this. Overseen by doctors now but in the future...maybe, maybe not.
- supermarket manager - only required so long as supermarkets aren't completely automated; even if they're only almost automated (for now we see electronic checkouts but why not eventually automated stocking, cleaning, etc?) the number of jobs available will drop)
- wine taster...there's actually a project going on this right now to build a taster to identify counterfeit wines
Lots of the jobs you mention can't be done today but I do believe will be able to be done in the future.
- house painter
- construction of any type
- mechanics of any type
- sewer worker...why not?
So yes - I think that at some point the number of jobs available will fall to the point where a large percentage of the population either cannot find work or cannot find enough work to pay the bills.
Where do you find 1 million gainful jobs to replace all of the inefficient human labor they're replacing?
I don't mean to be trite but the answer is, with other companies doing other things. Believe it or not seeing China beginning to automate production is a very positive sign for Chinese workers because it means that pay rates are increasing. If you have unlimited low cost labor there is no point in automating many tasks. But wages in China have been steadily rising to the point where China is now sometimes not competitive with other places. That means they will have to begin to automate some work to remain competitive. Automation being installed is an indicator of rising wages. I'm not even slightly exaggerating when I say it means that millions of people are being pulled out of poverty.
I see this logical fallacy again and again that replacing labor with automation is a zero sum game. It demonstrably is not. The computer you are reading this on has replaced millions of clerical workers who now do other things. Automation replaces some labor but frees it to do more than it could before. Washing clothes used to be a hugely time consuming task but we developed tools (automation) to wash for us and we spend our time on other things. Is it better that we spend our time having people type things repeatedly on typewriters or should we use a word processor and print it once? It isn't that there is suddenly no work, it's that now people have time to accomplish tasks that there wasn't time to accomplish before.
It is not a zero sum game...today. At some point computers / robotics will be able to do almost any job that humans can do. It's only a question of time.
If the number on man hours per year needed to produce the products I use decreases, then I should get to work less right? Less work for everyone, more free time and the same amount of Chinese electronics! A higher percent of the money then goes to research and development, where most of the people can be employed, but work less hours. I'm looking forward to working 10 hours a week!
More free time for everyone means more cool projects, more web comics, more opens source software, more political involvement, more educated people, and even time to really think! More time to make you own food, raise your own kids, and other things that add even more efficiency and thus further reductions in hours to work!
How I wish that were true. I'd gladly work 1/2 time for 1/3 pay as it is (I'd love to share my job with the unemployed, but I can't). If stuff gets more affordable, working 40 hours a week is going to be even more overkill. If it didn't suck so much to be unemployed in the US (say we provided at least what we give the prisoners: food, shelter, and healthcare), I'd be happy to take time off work without fear I'd get stuck jobless. Our economy is kinda messed up.
lol
Try working in China, India or any developing or under-developed country for awhile and then we'll see if you complain about working in the USA.
With regard to the idea of working less and having more free time...the French tried that. It's possible, but against international competition where there are no labor laws it doesn't work very well.
Also, it would be socialism to have a shorter work week and we all know how evil socialism is.
The world is becoming a strange place.
As Indian companies grow in the U.S., outsourcing comes home
India’s outsourcing giants — faced with rising wages at home — have looked for growth opportunities in the United States. But with Washington crimping visas for visiting Indian workers, some companies such as Aegis are slowly hiring workers in North America, where their largest corporate customers are based. In this evolution, outsourcing has come home.
Foxconn to speed up 'robot army' deployment; 20,000 robots already in its factories
In addition, Foxconn's CEO said the company is prepared to expand its manufacturing in the U.S., but the move will depend on "economic factors." The company already has factories in Indianapolis and Houston, and employs thousands of workers in the country, according to Gou. -- more
Thousands is a drop in the pond.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/20/foxconn_tenth_biggest_employer/
I suspect the problem is that the application forms that the submitter has to fill out, require certain degrees and get tossed into the trash if those requirements aren't met. And probably by the lowest level HR person at the firm.
One of the things I noticed years back before I gave up on IT was that they wanted very specific requirements to even allow the application to submit. And that was before the most recent economic downturn. It's probably gotten even worse now.
I'm guessing they were trying to get foreign workers in. Making a job as specific and difficult to fill as possible is par for the course to reduce or eliminate the possibility of having to hire more expensive domestic resource - gets around any local law saying that the company has to fail to hire domestically before they can import labor.
If you are anything outside of the "norm" in the field, the best advice I can give you comes in two parts:
1.) Be willing to work for a little less than the going rate.
2.) Focus on smaller companies who are less likely to have automated resume screening systems. Wouldn't hurt if the owner of the company had a little gray himself.
The truth is that although it's better than 3 years ago, the job market is still a bitch. Don't give up, and hard as it may be, don't take rejections personally and let them get you down on yourself.
Have to disagree.
If you have the experience - or the skills and the appearance of having the experience, then don't sell yourself cheaper. At least try and sell yourself as a serious, reliable, experienced alternative to those fast running not caring kids. (no offense kids)
Customers do not always make the least cost choice.
The Chinese have successfully copied Cisco's HW so there's no reason to buy the genuine product.
First, the Chinese have not copied all products only a subset.
Second, when you buy from a company you aren't only buying hardware. You're buying a solution - including support, service, software (the copied software, though evolved, still contains the Cisco bugs that were in it when it was copied years ago not to mention whatever has happened to it in the meantime).
So there are still good reasons to buy from Cisco, even if it costs more.
Oh, thanks. I've just learned something. I have used resistance to antibiotics as an example of real-time observable evolution. If it is actually lateral transfer, then this example won't hold. Good to know!
Didn't it have to evolve before it could be laterally transferred?
Confirmation from an American authority that Bitcoin is a legitimate form of money.
A form of money they have absolutely no control over.
[Nelson Muntz]
Ha-ha!
[/Nelson Muntz]
Or they might be talking about USD transfers to buy/sell bitcoins (and yes I know that doesn't apply to the foundation any more than bitcoin transfers does)
I'll just leave this here:
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
Yeah, I got a primitive one in my own car. I just opened it up and wired the nvram reset to the ignition. Whenever the car turns off, it fires the reset. It's an amnesiac vehicle now. Of course, not everyone knows how to do this, but hey.
Why don't you commercialize it then?
And the people who live there aren't doing a fucking thing about it are they? Do you think they don't know who it is?
Why is it they I'm guilty for standing aside and watching a crime against humanity, but they are absolved?
If they had such a problem against it, they'd do something about it. They do not. They are only slightly different than the ones actually perform the bombings.
You could be talking about the USA here just as easily.
God is all-knowing and did know that this was going to happen and had a plan in place to deal with it...Jesus
God is all powerful but in allowing free will (giving you the ability to choose) He has allowed evil as much as we desire it. People choose evil. You may not choose God. Who do you choose? If you are not for Him, you are against Him. Do you know who else is against God? Evil doesn't force itself on people. If God didn't allow this choice, you would be called a robot and have only good to do and not allowed to do anything else. The next logical question is why should there be free will. The answer is that love is only love when it is freely chosen. If your child is forced to love you, is it really love? If your child chooses to love you, you know the difference.
God is good, all the time. He does allow evil, but never condones approves or encourages priests to do evil things. That is each person's choice.
These are good questions. Keep them coming!
The best thing about religion is that when something good happens, it's god's doing. When something bad happens, it's man's own fault out of free choice.
Really can't lose with that can you? :-)
I can't believe I'm seeing genocide advocated on slashdot... and up-voted.
Do you not understand that western governments, and particularly the U.S. and U.N., have been fucking with the entire african and mid-east region for centuries? Colonization, genocide, propping up dictatorships, mass-depopulation, stealing resources, military occupations, institutionalized rape and slavery...
How the hell do you justify your "fuck these guys, they're annoying me, kill them all" attitude to yourself? You want them to leave you alone? It's really simple. Leave *them* the fuck alone.
I don't know how much more of this world I can stand. The ignorance and stupidity and *immorality* of even the intellectual elites of modern society disgust and frighten me.
Let's add Central and South Americas to your list...
Once again we prove the principle, Sunlight is the best disinfection. These guys, the NSA and the big internet companies, were happy to share your data UNTIL the light was shone on them. Then they scattered like cockroaches when you turn the lights on.
Don't you mean Snowlight?
If memory serves, a group of small Russian children presented one of our embassies a gift of a beautiful wooden state seal to hang on the wall. Unbeknown to anyone in the embassy at the time, it contained a small passive bug built within and that allowed the Russians to listen in to priviledged embassy conversations. The seal is now hanging up a the NSA museum in Columbia, Maryland. So the question is, who made the phones for this hotline?
China of course...
...and one week later they'll find themselves competing against a hundred Chinese brands that use exactly the same designs.
If I'm talking about the weight of the apples and you start talking about their flavour, it's not going to change their weight - no matter how much I might agree with you.
Though I will note that in Russia dash-cams have become rather popular with the driving public. With SCOTUS recently upholding the right to record officers in public, and the price of wearables continuing to drop, I would not be at all surprised to see an upsurge in US sousveillance.
I did say 'without oversight' - oversight including any type of recorded evidence if the police should abuse their power. Without this, people cannot hope to protect themselves against bad cops.
The weight of an apple is immaterial if it's rotten to the core.
I mean you're using my house and internet connections to make money from me. I"d expect 50% commission.
Okay we won't double your connection fee