Coming from experience, i suggest you stick with windows if you're using java as your backend. The java offerings for linux are buggy, slower and in some cases, just plain broken.
linux (and unix in general) is great for running simple servers, maybe with a few dynamic elements if you're using perl or php as your engine. But for the big enterprise SERVICE systems, you need more than what current OSS offers.
OSS has yet to produce something that competes with the complexity and webservices potential like.net and the like.
Heck, even for people using java on the backend (which is where java seems to be finding itself more and more these days) windows the choice because java simply runs better on windows than linux.
Re:It's not like they haven't announced the patch
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Hm, well to design such a system as those you would need to know how to design a really good real-time system. And if you know how to do that, you're not a 'stoopid mcse'.
Kinda like asking my mom to design a car engine...
not in critical systems.
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Just because their laptops have win2000 installed doesnt mean the life support is running from windows. It's not.
Do you know anything about gator? Most people DONT choose to install it. It comes piggybacked with other programs. It is also extremely difficult to uninstall (for the non-technical anyways)
Lord, the libertarian bent of geeks is so amazingly shortsighted. The reason laws (like this) need to exist is to maintain FAIRNESS in the marketplace. A FREE market is a *fair* one. Didnt you learn anything in economics?
First tried the add/remove programs method, of course it couldnt get rid of the file that gator starts from, because the file was *running*.
Had to go into win2k's process list. Find the process (i believe there was more than 1) and shut them down. THEN I had to go and use add/remove programs.
Finally, i had to go into explorer and delete the remnants of it that wasnt uninstalled.
I cant imagine what id do without the process list.
well, ignoring a possibly nasty debate on property and the internet, where nobody is right or wrong...
You CHOSE to write notes in your yellow pages. You did so YOURSELF. With gator, most of the time people did not choose to install it (it comes with other programs).
Further, gator is what picks the ads.
A more comparable thing would be southwestern bell placing post-it note ads over competitor's ads in the yellow pages. I dont know if thats illegal (advertising law aint my thing), but I would imagine it is.
certainly, nothing physically keeping people from doing illegal things.
Theres plenty of laws against untrue statements in advertising - and while there is certainly untrue advertising, the FTC will come down on your ass like big tornado for it too. The thing about the gator is that there is a central point for the pop-ups - Gator itself. There are only a handful of these programs around. And if you're large enough to have an audience that matters, you'd better be obeying the law, or the FTC *will* shut you down.
in meatspace, if i go into a ford dealership and put a big ad for chevy up in the middle of the showroom, they're not going to keep it up. Why? Well for one its private property, but also because its just plain ridiculous.
I believe there is a 'reasonable expectation' that you wont be seeing advertisements for competitors within (or on top of) another site unless you the site has explicitly chosen to do so.
There is also no free speech issue here. Commercial speech has long been ruled that it is not covered by the first amendment.
The legislation should forbid this kind of thing. It's unfair advertising. If you think microsoft bundling all sorts of software with their OS is 'unfair to competitors', the difference between the two is slight.
Note that most people dont choose to install gator, either. It installs along with other programs.
stallman has often said many a time about how he wished the world were completely free software oriented, and im sure he'd love to abolish the current system. That sounds like quite an agenda to me.
One could consider the GPL to be the authoritative power (if it actually has any power..its never been tested), but i guess its a matter of interpretation.
My point was that stallman didnt answer the question. Instead he pulled out the Soviet reference..while the soviets were 'communists', they were also almost dictatorial and not in the sense that marx was looking for. I dont think that the question was comparing the FSF to a dictatorial organization, nor should Stallman have answered it as such.
good interview with stallman except his dance around the communism question. Alot of what the FSF and stallman yell about is common to utopian communism. Instead he pulled out the Soviet reference without answering what was probably the true intention of the question.
We still need a ~$60,000 a year linux admin to keep up with the various patches and do the dirty work of maintaining the setup. Given our hectic deadlines, its not profitable nor wise to take a month off to learn linux better.
Also, we were not interested in buying lots of systems. Rather one quite large server at the time. Windows was simply more sensible. Even the resident linux fanatic (who knows alot more than anyone else, but not enough) admitted that windows suited our best interests.
but one of the main ones. Another reason was we develop software for the financial services industry, which uses windows far, far more than they use linux.
a couple weeks ago we had a meeting about our latest server tech to deploy. since all our backend software is in java, it doesnt really matter if we deployed on linux or windows.
Anyways, after some discussion, linux turns out to be more expensive for us to use than windows. Why? Because we're a small company. The tech guys there (myself included) double as both programmers and system administrators. All of us know windows inside and out just by using it for years. For upgrades, windows is trivial to upgrade.
Linux is a different story. We all also know how to use linux - but none of us are expert admins at it. We would need to hire a linux sysadmin to be safe and ensure it was configured correctly (yes kids, linux is easily hacked too if not configured right) I've never known a linux sysadmin who worked for cheap. So we spent a couple grand going for a windows machine and setup, and saved ourselves several thousand dollars in the salary we would need to pay someone to maintain and secure the linux setup.
I just *need* the ability to detonate rockets away from my person in everyday life to foil those pesky assassins. I can't wait.
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those cases are somewhat 'soft' cases. Not as blatant as dmitri's. While I dont wish the man to stay in jail, he will still have his day in court.
that's not going to work. here's why.
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The majority does not care. Congress isnt going to hear outcry from enough people to warrant care. The civil rights movement faced similar problems earlier last century.
Their solution was to go to the courts and force the issue of constitutionality. And it worked. This is how the dmca will have to be fought - in the courts.
The people of america dont give a shit about this sort of thing. During the 1950s, nobody cared much about civil rights either. Who was interested in it? The NAACP knew this. So they took things to court. And look how far we've gone since then. It is an effective manner of getting action on a situation the public doesnt know or care about.
Skylarov's case needs to go to court. The supreme court.
it routinely loses data on some sites ive put it onto. I've had user accounts mysteriously vanish without a trace. Thankfully these were minor sites, like messageboards, but you know some fool out there is recommending to his company to use it for financial transactions because its 'fast and open source'....
iirc, i was reading an article the other day that said you can generate electricity directly from the spinning plasma. I (or the article) could be wrong however.
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Coming from experience, i suggest you stick with windows if you're using java as your backend. The java offerings for linux are buggy, slower and in some cases, just plain broken.
OSS has yet to produce something that competes with the complexity and webservices potential like .net and the like.
Heck, even for people using java on the backend (which is where java seems to be finding itself more and more these days) windows the choice because java simply runs better on windows than linux.
Kinda like asking my mom to design a car engine...
Just because their laptops have win2000 installed doesnt mean the life support is running from windows. It's not.
Lord, the libertarian bent of geeks is so amazingly shortsighted. The reason laws (like this) need to exist is to maintain FAIRNESS in the marketplace. A FREE market is a *fair* one. Didnt you learn anything in economics?
First tried the add/remove programs method, of course it couldnt get rid of the file that gator starts from, because the file was *running*.
Had to go into win2k's process list. Find the process (i believe there was more than 1) and shut them down. THEN I had to go and use add/remove programs.
Finally, i had to go into explorer and delete the remnants of it that wasnt uninstalled.
I cant imagine what id do without the process list.
You CHOSE to write notes in your yellow pages. You did so YOURSELF. With gator, most of the time people did not choose to install it (it comes with other programs).
Further, gator is what picks the ads.
A more comparable thing would be southwestern bell placing post-it note ads over competitor's ads in the yellow pages. I dont know if thats illegal (advertising law aint my thing), but I would imagine it is.
and the real world has laws. Get over it already.
Theres plenty of laws against untrue statements in advertising - and while there is certainly untrue advertising, the FTC will come down on your ass like big tornado for it too. The thing about the gator is that there is a central point for the pop-ups - Gator itself. There are only a handful of these programs around. And if you're large enough to have an audience that matters, you'd better be obeying the law, or the FTC *will* shut you down.
I believe there is a 'reasonable expectation' that you wont be seeing advertisements for competitors within (or on top of) another site unless you the site has explicitly chosen to do so.
There is also no free speech issue here. Commercial speech has long been ruled that it is not covered by the first amendment.
The legislation should forbid this kind of thing. It's unfair advertising. If you think microsoft bundling all sorts of software with their OS is 'unfair to competitors', the difference between the two is slight.
Note that most people dont choose to install gator, either. It installs along with other programs.
True hijacking, in the sense of the word. Technically, it would be trivial to accomplish.
I'm all for keeping the net legislation free, but heres a place where only a law can help.
One could consider the GPL to be the authoritative power (if it actually has any power..its never been tested), but i guess its a matter of interpretation.
My point was that stallman didnt answer the question. Instead he pulled out the Soviet reference..while the soviets were 'communists', they were also almost dictatorial and not in the sense that marx was looking for. I dont think that the question was comparing the FSF to a dictatorial organization, nor should Stallman have answered it as such.
good interview with stallman except his dance around the communism question. Alot of what the FSF and stallman yell about is common to utopian communism. Instead he pulled out the Soviet reference without answering what was probably the true intention of the question.
you must be pretty young if you think a 486 and p133 are old
Also, we were not interested in buying lots of systems. Rather one quite large server at the time. Windows was simply more sensible. Even the resident linux fanatic (who knows alot more than anyone else, but not enough) admitted that windows suited our best interests.
but one of the main ones. Another reason was we develop software for the financial services industry, which uses windows far, far more than they use linux.
Anyways, after some discussion, linux turns out to be more expensive for us to use than windows. Why? Because we're a small company. The tech guys there (myself included) double as both programmers and system administrators. All of us know windows inside and out just by using it for years. For upgrades, windows is trivial to upgrade.
Linux is a different story. We all also know how to use linux - but none of us are expert admins at it. We would need to hire a linux sysadmin to be safe and ensure it was configured correctly (yes kids, linux is easily hacked too if not configured right) I've never known a linux sysadmin who worked for cheap. So we spent a couple grand going for a windows machine and setup, and saved ourselves several thousand dollars in the salary we would need to pay someone to maintain and secure the linux setup.
I just *need* the ability to detonate rockets away from my person in everyday life to foil those pesky assassins. I can't wait.
those cases are somewhat 'soft' cases. Not as blatant as dmitri's. While I dont wish the man to stay in jail, he will still have his day in court.
Their solution was to go to the courts and force the issue of constitutionality. And it worked. This is how the dmca will have to be fought - in the courts.
Skylarov's case needs to go to court. The supreme court.
it routinely loses data on some sites ive put it onto. I've had user accounts mysteriously vanish without a trace. Thankfully these were minor sites, like messageboards, but you know some fool out there is recommending to his company to use it for financial transactions because its 'fast and open source'....
iirc, i was reading an article the other day that said you can generate electricity directly from the spinning plasma. I (or the article) could be wrong however.