Initially we dealt strictly with a Banyan, Novell or CP/M networking environment, but with the release of Windows for Workgroups 4.0 the tide shifted to San Francisco, specifically Redmond.
I remember that, not so much because of the software enviroment but because of the parties we'd have afterwards where Axl Rose, Jerry Garcia and Randy Rhoads would come by to have skiffle jam. Regularly, Al Gore would drop by and leave sketches for an arpa net (or was it darpa net? crappa net? who can be bothered to remember).
At the end of the week we'd all hop on our hogs and haul ass to lolapolooza. Good times, good times.
I tried your suggestion on my knoppix 3.9 cd (which has kernel version 2.6.11) and it still hung after the 'detecting devices' bar was filled. I also tried mixing and matching the following parameters:
noacpi apic=off pci=bios nofirewire noapic
But the results are the same: it still hangs at that part of the boot process.
I appreciate your suggestion, though; but I'm going to stick to XP and using NetBSD for my *nix (if Solaris played nice with my usb mouse I'd use that instead).
I really can't comment much on your problems, but it sounds like you have very, very flaky hardware to me.
That's what I had thought, too; which is why I tried a couple of different systems. At the moment the only 'new' distribution I can run is Debian 3.1 (and then only with the 2.4 kernel). I can run it with 2.4, however.
Solaris, OpenSolaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD 5.4 (but not 5.0,5.1,5.2 or 5.3), and Windows (98,2000,XP) all boot and run fine.
ACPI has to be disabled, otherwise it will either freeze or spontaneously reboot. 2.6 will crash while loading modules related to USB, network (loading the 8139too module consistently crashes), agp and hotplug system detection. The install cds of Ubuntu and Suse are stable enough to install, but once installed to the hard drive, the system consistently hangs due either to one of the errors I've already mentioned; or for reasons I haven't tracked down yet.
[rant] I'm not a kernel programmer; I just want a working desktop. KDE works on NetBSD (which automatically detects my sound card) so until the kernel people get their shit together; I'm done with Linux. [/rant]
Given how wildly unstable and crappy the 2.6 kernel has proven to be, maybe Windows and Linux need to switch to a more (Open||Net)BSD style approach to developing code: do it slow, do it right, and stop fucking around.
Seriously, I have yet to install a stable 2.6 kernel (which boots consistently, and I've tried ubuntu, debian, suse, and slackware on multiple computers. Linux (2.6) is far more unstable than windows at this point. (at least windows will boot consistently for fuck's sake!)
Is it just me, or have the slashdot articles been VERY frightening/depressing of late?
Governments across the globe are getting more and more intrusive into everyone's private lives, and more and more cavalier about their violations of personal liberty and disregard for the dangers such violations create....with cheers of approval from people who "have nothing to hide."...while at the same time our few remaining bastions of freedom are popping out of existence or compromising to the point of uselessness, all the while being cheered on by visionless people who honestly believe that this is a good thing...
It makes me very sad.
Nope, it's not just you; the world is seriously fucked, at least from a civil liberties/privacy perspective.
The good news is that the pendulum will inevitably swing the other way; the bad news, of course, is that this won't be happening in our lifetime.
BSD lugs around nearly 30 years worth of baggage, but I can boot and reliably run NetBSD and OpenBSD on my 2004 hp pavilion. Linux 2.6.* sometimes will boot from the installer, but only if I disable ACPI (and quite often other things such as agp and usb -wtf?- as well).
Older 2.4.* releases work ok, and the BSDs work ok (except for FreeBSD 5.0-5.3).
After having similiar experience on other computers with 2.6, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that linux has jumped the shark; at least in terms of stability and reliability (hell, I can't even rely on it to successfully boot FFS).
So, rant aside, it's a matter of arrogance and design; the BSDs have an attitude of "do it the right way" and therefore produce a stable system, linux has the attitude of "bugs are part of the FUN" and as a result, you have the mess which is 2.6.*
The difference is that with yahoo, when you set up a filter you don't have to go through the additional step of telling it to skip the inbox; you simply tell the filter what criteria you're looking for (eg a subject line with a specific 'to' field) and what folder you want them to go to. With gmail, you also have to tell it to skip the inbox.
Maybe you should actually try using Gmail before you make sweeping statements criticising it for lacking functionality that has always been there?
Except that my criticism is based on my experience with gmail. Allow me to quote from my original post:
In gmail, you can set up 'labels', but I set up a label to handle all of the email from a mailing list I later unsubbed from, and they still cluttered up my inbox.
I did that as an experiment to see what using gmail was like, in order to evaluate wether or not I wanted to switch to using fulltime instead of using yahoo.
The fact is, I had needed to RTFM in order to set up the functionality which I already get with yahoo by default.
I'm not meaning to flame, I'm simply stating that I did kick the tires and take it out for a spin and this is my impression. Sorry if that offends google's cheer-leading squad.
Are you unaware that GMail also supports filters, with a filter action of "Skip inbox"? This action is the same as archiving an email from the Inbox view. The mail will show up in both All Mail and by clicking on the label.
Yeah, I was unaware of the "skip inbox" function. I don't know if this is the case of not; but if I can't look over to the left at my list of Labels and see something like:
bsd.news (0 unread) lkml(8 unread) work junk (1,639 unread)
Then I'm still losing functionality that I currently have with yahoo's more traditional filter+folder approach.
I hate labels. They seem like a very, very half-assed "different for the sake of being different" implementation of folders. With yahoo mail, I can create folders and set up filters so that emails from my boss, wife, mother-in-law all automatically go into their own folders, both freeing up my inbox and visually allowing me to automatically see if I have email from any of them immediately after I log in (as opposed to logging in and clicking on my inbox to see what I may have there).
In gmail, you can set up 'labels', but I set up a label to handle all of the email from a mailing list I later unsubbed from, and they still cluttered up my inbox.
Again, I think labels are really fucking stupid; but that's just me.
I don't know where this myth that MS is against open source software came from. They've got no beef with OSS at all, and have even released open source software of their own (they have a project on sauceforge, but I can't remember the name of it).
What they'd be looking for, obviously, is GNU software, which is often used by hackers and terrorists; not to mention which has an anti-capitalist agenda.
I'm sure it would leave any BSD licensed software alone, however.;-)
depends on which argument you want to persue. If you want to persue the america-is-a-repressive-totalitarianship one, then it is -as you say- a matter of locking up vegan hippie hemp users.
But if the thing being argued is that we, as a nation, should abandon our second amendment rights, then it turns around to the fact that we have the highest amount of violent crimes (as I pointed out).
Skipping past all the bullshit, I'm inclined to believe that our large incareration rate is connected to our high rate of violent offenders. (if it makes any difference, I'm pro hemp legalisation as well as pro gun ownership).
At least you didn't pay $50 to find that out. I've had it for over a year, and I think I've played it a grand total of three times. I've read the review, but I don't think plopping down another $30 is going to make it any more fun.
I'll be honest; I don't get the appeal. Give me GTA any day of the week.
going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna guess that's related to our having the most violent crimes? (the most serial rapists, most serial killers, most shootings per capita, etc)
One sentence like say, "ISLAM is NOT a religion of Peace, rather it is a Hatemongering, terrorist breeding religion bent upon bringing the whole world under its tyranny" won't perhaps bring the gestapo to the doors, but will sure bring more severe consequences from the politically correct crowd before you can even wait for the doors to be broken down..
Try saying the following in any city this isn't one of the major metropolitan areas (I'd suggest Dallas or Salt Lake City for maximum effect): "Christianity is NOT a religion of Peace, rather it is a Hatemongering, terrorist breeding religion bent upon bringing the whole world under its tyranny" and see how long you manage to hold a job and/or an apartment there (and quite possibly end up with several broken bones to boot).
If you said your original sentence, even in some place "politically correct" such as New York the worst that would happen would be that you would be sternly reprimanded.
This how to blog anonymously book is a great thing for free speech. We need it here in Jesusland, too. I sure do miss America.
From TFA:
"We can write freely in blogs," writes Arash Sigarchi, an Iranian journalist who was nonetheless sentenced to 14 years in prison for posting several messages online that criticized the Iranian regime.
That's routine in countries such as Iran and China; here the worst you can state is that you don't like the liberal slant of CNN.
Really, things here could be much worse; wake me up when we've got our own Falun Gong problem here.
By the way, what's with all the people complaining about how the site looks? I'm using Lynx and it looks totally normal to me.
I had to turn off lite mode in FF (been using it for years, too) because the site looks completely borked. If the owners give a shit, they should take a look at how it looks using FF (win32, 1024x786 res if that helps).
Jack Chick predates the internet, just FYI. He's been making tracts since the late 1960's; and they've been "popular"(meaning commonly seen) since at least the early 1980's. If you're (morbidly) curious, you can read about him on Wikipedia.
As far as the topic at hand goes, it's been known for years that people look for others who are like them and who reinforce their viewpoints. I don't see anything particularly wrong with this and, in fact, I think in cases where you're not in the mainstream, it's a Good Thing.
The concern about needing the input of a variety of viewpoints is blown out of proportion, IMHO. We're never going to be able to avoid people in real like who hold divergent viewpoints from our own.
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I remember that, not so much because of the software enviroment but because of the parties we'd have afterwards where Axl Rose, Jerry Garcia and Randy Rhoads would come by to have skiffle jam. Regularly, Al Gore would drop by and leave sketches for an arpa net (or was it darpa net? crappa net? who can be bothered to remember).
At the end of the week we'd all hop on our hogs and haul ass to lolapolooza. Good times, good times.
I tried your suggestion on my knoppix 3.9 cd (which has kernel version 2.6.11) and it still hung after the 'detecting devices' bar was filled. I also tried mixing and matching the following parameters:
noacpi apic=off pci=bios nofirewire noapic
But the results are the same: it still hangs at that part of the boot process.
I appreciate your suggestion, though; but I'm going to stick to XP and using NetBSD for my *nix (if Solaris played nice with my usb mouse I'd use that instead).
That's what I had thought, too; which is why I tried a couple of different systems. At the moment the only 'new' distribution I can run is Debian 3.1 (and then only with the 2.4 kernel). I can run it with 2.4, however.
Solaris, OpenSolaris, NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD 5.4 (but not 5.0,5.1,5.2 or 5.3), and Windows (98,2000,XP) all boot and run fine.
'slow' meaning they only officially release twice a year instead of 'omg it's Monday get something ANYTHING uploaded to kernel.org omg omg omg'.
ACPI has to be disabled, otherwise it will either freeze or spontaneously reboot. 2.6 will crash while loading modules related to USB, network (loading the 8139too module consistently crashes), agp and hotplug system detection. The install cds of Ubuntu and Suse are stable enough to install, but once installed to the hard drive, the system consistently hangs due either to one of the errors I've already mentioned; or for reasons I haven't tracked down yet.
[rant]
I'm not a kernel programmer; I just want a working desktop. KDE works on NetBSD (which automatically detects my sound card) so until the kernel people get their shit together; I'm done with Linux.
[/rant]
Given how wildly unstable and crappy the 2.6 kernel has proven to be, maybe Windows and Linux need to switch to a more (Open||Net)BSD style approach to developing code: do it slow, do it right, and stop fucking around.
Seriously, I have yet to install a stable 2.6 kernel (which boots consistently, and I've tried ubuntu, debian, suse, and slackware on multiple computers. Linux (2.6) is far more unstable than windows at this point. (at least windows will boot consistently for fuck's sake!)
Violating an unjust law and then accepting the consequences is Civil Disobedience.
Violating an unjust law and then whinging that you got arrested is being a lame-ass whiny emo kid.
Nope, it's not just you; the world is seriously fucked, at least from a civil liberties/privacy perspective.
The good news is that the pendulum will inevitably swing the other way; the bad news, of course, is that this won't be happening in our lifetime.
to Star Trek Enterprise
BSD lugs around nearly 30 years worth of baggage, but I can boot and reliably run NetBSD and OpenBSD on my 2004 hp pavilion. Linux 2.6.* sometimes will boot from the installer, but only if I disable ACPI (and quite often other things such as agp and usb -wtf?- as well).
Older 2.4.* releases work ok, and the BSDs work ok (except for FreeBSD 5.0-5.3).
After having similiar experience on other computers with 2.6, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that linux has jumped the shark; at least in terms of stability and reliability (hell, I can't even rely on it to successfully boot FFS).
So, rant aside, it's a matter of arrogance and design; the BSDs have an attitude of "do it the right way" and therefore produce a stable system, linux has the attitude of "bugs are part of the FUN" and as a result, you have the mess which is 2.6.*
The difference is that with yahoo, when you set up a filter you don't have to go through the additional step of telling it to skip the inbox; you simply tell the filter what criteria you're looking for (eg a subject line with a specific 'to' field) and what folder you want them to go to. With gmail, you also have to tell it to skip the inbox.
Except that my criticism is based on my experience with gmail. Allow me to quote from my original post:
I did that as an experiment to see what using gmail was like, in order to evaluate wether or not I wanted to switch to using fulltime instead of using yahoo.
The fact is, I had needed to RTFM in order to set up the functionality which I already get with yahoo by default.
I'm not meaning to flame, I'm simply stating that I did kick the tires and take it out for a spin and this is my impression. Sorry if that offends google's cheer-leading squad.
Yeah, I was unaware of the "skip inbox" function. I don't know if this is the case of not; but if I can't look over to the left at my list of Labels and see something like:
bsd.news (0 unread)
lkml(8 unread)
work junk (1,639 unread)
Then I'm still losing functionality that I currently have with yahoo's more traditional filter+folder approach.
I hate labels. They seem like a very, very half-assed "different for the sake of being different" implementation of folders. With yahoo mail, I can create folders and set up filters so that emails from my boss, wife, mother-in-law all automatically go into their own folders, both freeing up my inbox and visually allowing me to automatically see if I have email from any of them immediately after I log in (as opposed to logging in and clicking on my inbox to see what I may have there).
In gmail, you can set up 'labels', but I set up a label to handle all of the email from a mailing list I later unsubbed from, and they still cluttered up my inbox.
Again, I think labels are really fucking stupid; but that's just me.
I don't know where this myth that MS is against open source software came from. They've got no beef with OSS at all, and have even released open source software of their own (they have a project on sauceforge, but I can't remember the name of it).
;-)
What they'd be looking for, obviously, is GNU software, which is often used by hackers and terrorists; not to mention which has an anti-capitalist agenda.
I'm sure it would leave any BSD licensed software alone, however.
(crap, better post this AC)
depends on which argument you want to persue. If you want to persue the america-is-a-repressive-totalitarianship one, then it is -as you say- a matter of locking up vegan hippie hemp users.
But if the thing being argued is that we, as a nation, should abandon our second amendment rights, then it turns around to the fact that we have the highest amount of violent crimes (as I pointed out).
Skipping past all the bullshit, I'm inclined to believe that our large incareration rate is connected to our high rate of violent offenders. (if it makes any difference, I'm pro hemp legalisation as well as pro gun ownership).
At least you didn't pay $50 to find that out. I've had it for over a year, and I think I've played it a grand total of three times. I've read the review, but I don't think plopping down another $30 is going to make it any more fun.
I'll be honest; I don't get the appeal. Give me GTA any day of the week.
going out on a limb here, but I'm gonna guess that's related to our having the most violent crimes? (the most serial rapists, most serial killers, most shootings per capita, etc)
A great many americans consider Fox to be neutral, and CNN to be quite liberal; and they often bitch about CNN on various blogs.
And the government doesn't round them up and haul them to the gulags for doing so, either.
Try saying the following in any city this isn't one of the major metropolitan areas (I'd suggest Dallas or Salt Lake City for maximum effect):
"Christianity is NOT a religion of Peace, rather it is a Hatemongering, terrorist breeding religion bent upon bringing the whole world under its tyranny" and see how long you manage to hold a job and/or an apartment there (and quite possibly end up with several broken bones to boot).
If you said your original sentence, even in some place "politically correct" such as New York the worst that would happen would be that you would be sternly reprimanded.
I invite the reader to compare and contrast.
From TFA:
That's routine in countries such as Iran and China; here the worst you can state is that you don't like the liberal slant of CNN.
Really, things here could be much worse; wake me up when we've got our own Falun Gong problem here.
I had to turn off lite mode in FF (been using it for years, too) because the site looks completely borked. If the owners give a shit, they should take a look at how it looks using FF (win32, 1024x786 res if that helps).
Jack Chick predates the internet, just FYI. He's been making tracts since the late 1960's; and they've been "popular"(meaning commonly seen) since at least the early 1980's. If you're (morbidly) curious, you can read about him on Wikipedia.
As far as the topic at hand goes, it's been known for years that people look for others who are like them and who reinforce their viewpoints. I don't see anything particularly wrong with this and, in fact, I think in cases where you're not in the mainstream, it's a Good Thing.
The concern about needing the input of a variety of viewpoints is blown out of proportion, IMHO. We're never going to be able to avoid people in real like who hold divergent viewpoints from our own.
The bad news is that plan involves looting everything that isn't nailed down and then flying to Jamaica to party with Bigfoot and Elvis.