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That's hardly the words of the GPL, is it?
Christ, I thought Cmder taco was going to start cleaning this site up. YOu can hardly read an article around here without some flame-baiting moron trying to spread anti-Free Software propaganda.
I wish to hell that either M$ would take back their astro-turfers or Cmder Taco would take another look at making this a moderated BB.
I'm a big believer in freedom of speach myself; but it's pretty apparent that between the page-lenthening posts, goatse.cx links and truly sick ASCII art that perhaps some draconian measure might be appropriate. Freedom isn't everything; but boosting the signal-to-noise ratio is.
I believe it's in the same spirit as some fortunes which put out fortunes such as:
**** IMPORTANT **** ALL USERS PLEASE NOTE ****
Due to a recent systems overload error your recent disk files have been
erased. Therefore, in accordance with the UNIX Basic Manual, University of
Washington Geophysics Manual, and Bylaw 9(c), Section XII of the Revised
Federal Communications Act, you are being granted Temporary Disk Space,
valid for three months from this date, subject to the restrictions set forth
in Appendix II of the Federal Communications Handbook (18th edition) as well
as the references mentioned herein. You may apply for more disk space at any
time. Disk usage in or above the eighth percentile will secure the removal
of all restrictions and you will immediately receive your permanent disk
space. Disk usage in the sixth or seventh percentile will not effect the
validity of your temporary disk space, though its expiration date may be
extended for a period of up to three months. A score in the fifth percentile
or below will result in the withdrawal of your Temporary Disk space.
Of course, I could be wrong, and their system is hosed.
I don't remember the EULA that well; but I believe most licenses (in particular; Sun's) define "machine" by "cpu" (prolly among other standards). So, since you're running one copy in multiple "machines" (albeit virtual); you would be in deep doggy-doo should the Legal Team find out.
Correct me if I'm wrong; but wasn't GWB also a part of the Savings & Loan scandal that most modern americans refuse to talk about? Or was that Jeb? Or both?
What's her prospects like now? Is she type cast all to hell? Is she going to end up doing porns or dinner theater? Will she form her own movie production company and break out of being typecast? Will she retire in disgrace? Will she retire to count the money she made during the dot-com era?
I would like to add an "Me Too" here...
A) AFAIK, it's easier to manage the source for the programs you're running under *BSD (this includes Net and Free; I assume it's the same for Open, but I've no working experience w/ it). Basically, you select (either manually under NetBSD or with sysinstall under FreeBSD) which parts of the base system you want to compile and it's all located under/usr/src. The closest I've seen to this "every source file in one place, compile with one command" was with slackware, many many many many years ago. Even then, slackware compiled *Individual packages* for you, instead of being able to build the whole system. I've tried (when I was attempting LFS) to figure out the SuSE and RedHat source system (you're left with the "pristine" tar balls in both cases, where do you patch from, or to?) and wasn't able to figure how to work with either.
Under FreeBSD I've re-built (from source, with compiler flags) X, Gnome and KDE...a few times now. I've tried doing that under Linux a few times and always had it bomb. I'm sure some-one will pipe up and say "well, all you have to do is >bleah"; but that's besides the point. Under *BSD all you have to do is "make && make install" (for ports) or "make world" for the base system.
It's easy enough that a non-developer (raises hand) can easily optimize their system for the best performance.
B)Try it; either way you're not running windows (bears repeating. ^_^)
I don't remember if I did that with two linux's, or between linux and freebsd; but I tried that a couple years back and had problems with the user number id and the group id (particularly the group id) not matching.
You put the users under "users" for linux, and as "wheel" for BSD (if you want to use su, at least); which conflicts.
At least that was my experience; since I was just fucking around I didn't make a serious stab at trying to make it work.
I bought the FreeBSD 4.4 cd's recently (d'oh!), which included the "FreeBSD toolkit"; what the toolkit consisted of was the files which go in/usr/ports/distfiles (your unpatched src tarballs, in otherwords).
They were fucked up, as they were ports for 4.3, so what I would like to know is...A)do the DN cd's provide "extras" ala the "toolkit"?B)Are they really "extras", or just rehashed ports?
I did keep the cd's, fwiw; Since I'd already downloaded the ISO's previously I gave the cd's to a friend of mine who mostly works on NT (when he's not swearing at me for introducing him to FreeBSD, that is)./stand/sysinstall does consistently hang installing large packages (I noticed it on Gnome and KDE), fwiw. I had no idea (except trying to run gdb? strace?) how to figure out why, though. Since pkg_add worked, I didn't sweat it too much.
a)
#pkg_add -v
b)
double-left-click
click to accept defualt installation directory (assuming, of course, you don't want to change it)
click to continue
click
click
click to finish.
Dunno about you; but I like installation procedures I don't have to babysit.
the ignore system? Meaning, if I choose to ignore "anonymous coward", am I still going to get stuck reading AC crapflooding because AC isn't an actual *User*?
I also worry about the implications of your choices "being used against you". What if you think a particular troll is consistently funny, and a particular columnist (?!?!) is particularly profound...are you going to be sent to karmic-death-hell simply for having a sense of humor?
I think all regular users have seen moderation abuse (-1 redundant of me here?); I don't see this as actually HELPING the situation one bit.
Besides that; this is a *news* site. Who on earth has *friends* here? That's what yahoo messenger is for, AFAIK.
"Uninstalling needs to be clean too"
You had me up until then...you haven't tried to clean out windows anytime lately, have you?
Give me pkg_delete or give me death!!!
I was at comp-usa yesterday with a friend who is wedded to NT; we saw XP (pro) for $299, and RedHat pro for $199. He asked me WTF are you buying w/ RedHat pro, and why would anyone pay that kind of money for it.
I was at a total loss for an answer, other than PT Barnum's. I wound up buying FreeBSD (4.4+"the freebsd toolkit", for $59) and burning him off a copy.
I'm still at a total and complete loss for why some-one would pay $199 for DedRat Pro....
I've heard tons predictions of people switching to (Mac|Linux|Amiga|OS/2) because of M$'s licensing shenanigans with XP. I have not heard of one single organisation or even individual switching over in the last two months.
My prediction for M$? People will piss and moan, but because of inertia, will continue to grab the soap for the redmond bubba.
As long as I can still connect to the net w/ BSD; I don't esp care.:)
I can't get my landlord (or the parent company he works for) to accept online payments. I can get my phone company to accept them, but I'm paid up until June.
I'm getting charged $8 a month for a service (online banking) I don't use (when I could be spending on beer, which I do use)...hopefully PayPal accepts payments from my bank so I can finally justify the expense.:):)
Oh.Yeah....and help out a worthwhile organization who's been providing me with free software for 3 years, yada yada yada....;);)
In the last year or whatever, FreeBSD has been working on an Alpha port, also.
Loosely speaking, you could also say mac too (if you count Darwin, which has FreeBSD in it...though it's Mach, so neverfuckingmind).
Given that KazAa (wtf ever the capitalization is on that one) embeds spyware in w/ their program; I don't think I'm missing a whole hell of a lot there.
Esp if I'm not using winders in the first place.;)
I *Do* need to test out musiccity.com out on mozilla, though (assuming I get 0.9.7 for windows)....
Really weird you should say that...I use IE only on NT; which I'm rarely even in. I use mozilla anywhere else and can't think of a single page I've come across that it won't load in.
Hell; my gf even did her online-banking in mozilla; now that is sweet.:):)
Well, they are sometimes a useful gauge as to who has been around a little longer. Agreed, that can't be the only determining factor, but there doees seem to be some evidence of this. *cough*
Not necessarily; I lurked and read for at least a year before signing up...then let my account slip for another 6 months before actually using it.
I don't believe the UIDs mean a whole f*k of a lot.
Slashdot Mirror
Really?
That's hardly the words of the GPL, is it?
Christ, I thought Cmder taco was going to start cleaning this site up. YOu can hardly read an article around here without some flame-baiting moron trying to spread anti-Free Software propaganda.
I wish to hell that either M$ would take back their astro-turfers or Cmder Taco would take another look at making this a moderated BB.
I'm a big believer in freedom of speach myself; but it's pretty apparent that between the page-lenthening posts, goatse.cx links and truly sick ASCII art that perhaps some draconian measure might be appropriate. Freedom isn't everything; but boosting the signal-to-noise ratio is.
I don't remember the EULA that well; but I believe most licenses (in particular; Sun's) define "machine" by "cpu" (prolly among other standards). So, since you're running one copy in multiple "machines" (albeit virtual); you would be in deep doggy-doo should the Legal Team find out.
Correct me if I'm wrong; but wasn't GWB also a part of the Savings & Loan scandal that most modern americans refuse to talk about? Or was that Jeb? Or both?
beer is bread AND circus...but too bad you're joking about the porn. :(:(
What's her prospects like now? Is she type cast all to hell? Is she going to end up doing porns or dinner theater? Will she form her own movie production company and break out of being typecast? Will she retire in disgrace? Will she retire to count the money she made during the dot-com era?
What's going to happen to scully?
I would like to add an "Me Too" here... /usr/src. The closest I've seen to this "every source file in one place, compile with one command" was with slackware, many many many many years ago. Even then, slackware compiled *Individual packages* for you, instead of being able to build the whole system. I've tried (when I was attempting LFS) to figure out the SuSE and RedHat source system (you're left with the "pristine" tar balls in both cases, where do you patch from, or to?) and wasn't able to figure how to work with either.
A) AFAIK, it's easier to manage the source for the programs you're running under *BSD (this includes Net and Free; I assume it's the same for Open, but I've no working experience w/ it). Basically, you select (either manually under NetBSD or with sysinstall under FreeBSD) which parts of the base system you want to compile and it's all located under
Under FreeBSD I've re-built (from source, with compiler flags) X, Gnome and KDE...a few times now. I've tried doing that under Linux a few times and always had it bomb. I'm sure some-one will pipe up and say "well, all you have to do is >bleah"; but that's besides the point. Under *BSD all you have to do is "make && make install" (for ports) or "make world" for the base system.
It's easy enough that a non-developer (raises hand) can easily optimize their system for the best performance.
B)Try it; either way you're not running windows (bears repeating. ^_^)
I'd like to see it too; but as a wise man once said: "fat fucking chance". :(
I don't remember if I did that with two linux's, or between linux and freebsd; but I tried that a couple years back and had problems with the user number id and the group id (particularly the group id) not matching.
You put the users under "users" for linux, and as "wheel" for BSD (if you want to use su, at least); which conflicts.
At least that was my experience; since I was just fucking around I didn't make a serious stab at trying to make it work.
I bought the FreeBSD 4.4 cd's recently (d'oh!), which included the "FreeBSD toolkit"; what the toolkit consisted of was the files which go in /usr/ports/distfiles (your unpatched src tarballs, in otherwords).
They were fucked up, as they were ports for 4.3, so what I would like to know is...A)do the DN cd's provide "extras" ala the "toolkit"?B)Are they really "extras", or just rehashed ports?
/stand/sysinstall does consistently hang installing large packages (I noticed it on Gnome and KDE), fwiw. I had no idea (except trying to run gdb? strace?) how to figure out why, though. Since pkg_add worked, I didn't sweat it too much.
I did keep the cd's, fwiw; Since I'd already downloaded the ISO's previously I gave the cd's to a friend of mine who mostly works on NT (when he's not swearing at me for introducing him to FreeBSD, that is).
Please tell me which of the following is easier:
a)
#pkg_add -v
b)
double-left-click
click to accept defualt installation directory (assuming, of course, you don't want to change it)
click to continue
click
click
click to finish.
Dunno about you; but I like installation procedures I don't have to babysit.
the ignore system? Meaning, if I choose to ignore "anonymous coward", am I still going to get stuck reading AC crapflooding because AC isn't an actual *User*?
I also worry about the implications of your choices "being used against you". What if you think a particular troll is consistently funny, and a particular columnist (?!?!) is particularly profound...are you going to be sent to karmic-death-hell simply for having a sense of humor?
I think all regular users have seen moderation abuse (-1 redundant of me here?); I don't see this as actually HELPING the situation one bit.
Besides that; this is a *news* site. Who on earth has *friends* here? That's what yahoo messenger is for, AFAIK.
I read from my "user page"
I replied from my "user page"
I wound up as an "AC".
Feh.
"Uninstalling needs to be clean too"
You had me up until then...you haven't tried to clean out windows anytime lately, have you?
Give me pkg_delete or give me death!!!
I was at comp-usa yesterday with a friend who is wedded to NT; we saw XP (pro) for $299, and RedHat pro for $199. He asked me WTF are you buying w/ RedHat pro, and why would anyone pay that kind of money for it.
I was at a total loss for an answer, other than PT Barnum's. I wound up buying FreeBSD (4.4+"the freebsd toolkit", for $59) and burning him off a copy.
I'm still at a total and complete loss for why some-one would pay $199 for DedRat Pro....
Don't you mean Alan Cox? Or did the Open Source folks go on an house-fixing bender this year? :)
I've heard tons predictions of people switching to (Mac|Linux|Amiga|OS/2) because of M$'s licensing shenanigans with XP. I have not heard of one single organisation or even individual switching over in the last two months.
:)
My prediction for M$? People will piss and moan, but because of inertia, will continue to grab the soap for the redmond bubba.
As long as I can still connect to the net w/ BSD; I don't esp care.
I can't get my landlord (or the parent company he works for) to accept online payments. I can get my phone company to accept them, but I'm paid up until June. :):)
...and help out a worthwhile organization who's been providing me with free software for 3 years, yada yada yada.... ;);)
I'm getting charged $8 a month for a service (online banking) I don't use (when I could be spending on beer, which I do use)...hopefully PayPal accepts payments from my bank so I can finally justify the expense.
Oh.Yeah.
In the last year or whatever, FreeBSD has been working on an Alpha port, also.
Loosely speaking, you could also say mac too (if you count Darwin, which has FreeBSD in it...though it's Mach, so neverfuckingmind).
Given that KazAa (wtf ever the capitalization is on that one) embeds spyware in w/ their program; I don't think I'm missing a whole hell of a lot there.
;)
....
Esp if I'm not using winders in the first place.
I *Do* need to test out musiccity.com out on mozilla, though (assuming I get 0.9.7 for windows)
Really weird you should say that...I use IE only on NT; which I'm rarely even in. I use mozilla anywhere else and can't think of a single page I've come across that it won't load in.
:):)
Hell; my gf even did her online-banking in mozilla; now that is sweet.
Not necessarily; I lurked and read for at least a year before signing up...then let my account slip for another 6 months before actually using it.
I don't believe the UIDs mean a whole f*k of a lot.
It would seem that the versions distributed with your free unixes are not the testing versions; at least not the talk-back ones.
:p); can't wait for the pkgsrc version of 0.9.7 to show up. :):)
I'm still using 0.9 on NetBSD (when I'm not posting from IE.