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Might want to wait until you catch them laundering their own sweat socks though.
I also grew up with Led Zeppelin. I don't hate the music at all. I just know what it really is. Unfortunately, original, it isn't.
What really irks me are the people defending the fact that they got caught stealing the early stuff but then wrote original stuff later.
The early stuff they stole was the "low hanging fruit", easily found "newer" blues.
When they got caught, it would be more likely that they would just head to the more obscure stuff in the blues arena. Lots of blues was recorded but not widely known.
How much of "spin" is required on a "copied" track is required before you need not credit the original author?
(This is the "bone" that many others are missing. The *original* pressings of these tracks were *UNCREDITED*, in other words, they were passed of as if they had been written by Led Zeppelin, when in fact were nothing of the sort.)
Think Fox News, or bad newspaper articles. You know the type, Sensationalist, and obviously false.
but (six days later in the sports section, they are quietly correctly/retracted (Or in this case CREDITED)
Thank you for a well thought out and honest reply.
I was NOT referring to STYLES at all.
I was referring for *note for note* *THEFT*
Led Zeppelin have been accused, caught, and have since (on reissues of albums(cds) HAD TO FINALLY CREDIT THE ORIGINAL BLUESMEN THEY STOLE FROM.
I don't think I am being vague here. They have been caught doing it.
THEFT is THEFT. Using creative license or "playing in the style of: are different things.
I know this hurts some people to read and it'll hurt a few more. Believe me, I loved led zep when I was a kid.
After a few years studying music and being exposed to some of the originals they "borrowed" from, I was actually exposed to some of the stuff they "STOLE" from.
I guess links help here more than anything right?
Pull our your original Led Zep albums (You do have the vinyls still right?)
Check the songwriting credits for all of the following songs.
I'll ignore the emotion in your subject and ask a simple question:
Is copying a style the same as covering without credit?
What Led zep did Early on was the latter (documented)
ALL rock and roll (heck all music) is copying a style and adding artistic flair to define one's own "sound"
P.S.
"You're full of shit first because you claim that using the blues as source material for new music is somehow 'ripping someone off'"
I said nothing of the sort. I said Led Zep STOLE music, didn't credit the artists they stole it from, were caught doing so, and have since (under legal duress) started crediting the original artists of the music the now admittedly stole)
If I didn't give ANY credit to their later (and possibly, actually "original") work, I am sorry and apologize.
I just have issues with people that steal good music from poor (usually almost dead) people to make profit.
That should anger WAY more people than it does, yet Elvis, The Beatles, and the most blatant and easily provable, Led Zeppelin, all got away with it (and paid peanuts when caught)
And people wonder why "real" music isn't written anymore.
Right up until you mention Led Zeppelin. Led Zep "created" NOTHING. They STOLE everything. the CREDITED NO ONE (originally, until forced by lawsuits) and in the end are a COVER BAND that took liberties.
Do some research on it. It's not conspiracy theory. It's well documented.
P.S. I have heard the originals, and I DO like the led zep versions better, but that changes nothing of what I said.
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it's an old printer error message
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I appreciate them giving me a tracker and url for iron man. Haven't seen it yet.
(just kidding, I'll wait for it to be released on dvd first)
simply brilliant.
At last Microsoft makes the case AGAINST DRM.
Thank you gentlemen.
"Every Madonna song you download illegally impoverishes the people of Malawi"
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Pick up your prize at the door on the way out.
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Baseball is a sport? That's the best one I have heard today.
Baseball (like American football) is a placeholder between commercials.
Ok
The new cult song (Dirty little Rock Star) is a rip-off of the Rolling Stones Under cover of the night.
Not exactly blatant plagiarism, but a very obvious rip-off.
Happy now?
You might want to read the thread.
No one said R&R didn't evolve out of the blues. That's a well known fact.
What was said was that Led Zep was caught plagiarizing blues artists.
HUGE difference.
Thank you again.
The flames were worth it.
I also grew up with Led Zeppelin. I don't hate the music at all. I just know what it really is. Unfortunately, original, it isn't.
What really irks me are the people defending the fact that they got caught stealing the early stuff but then wrote original stuff later.
The early stuff they stole was the "low hanging fruit", easily found "newer" blues.
When they got caught, it would be more likely that they would just head to the more obscure stuff in the blues arena. Lots of blues was recorded but not widely known.
Once a thief...
Thank you for paying attention to what I *actually* wrote.
Thank you.
I get a little twisted whenever I hear people praising Led Zep for that exact same reason.
Right now people are going on about "borrowing styles" and such.
They are still missing the point. Nothing was borrowed. It was *blatently stolen*
A few people know what we are talking about. The rest are not paying attention to the conversation.
I would have no problem with that.
IF THEY HAD CREDITED the ORIGINAL ARTISTS.
Led Zeppelin Covered old blues artists. Led Zeppelin DID NOT ATTRIBUTE the SOURCES.
Led Zeppelin were sued for NOT DOING SO.
ZED LEPPELIN's label now ATTRIBUTES THE SOURCES for the songs they were SUED SUCCESSFULLY for NOT ATTRIBUTING THE SOURCES FOR.
Why is this so hard?
I wish I was making this up. In fact I wish I hadn't brought it up.
I though I was among people that check things and knew how to do research.
Fair comment.
How much of "spin" is required on a "copied" track is required before you need not credit the original author?
(This is the "bone" that many others are missing. The *original* pressings of these tracks were *UNCREDITED*, in other words, they were passed of as if they had been written by Led Zeppelin, when in fact were nothing of the sort.)
Think Fox News, or bad newspaper articles. You know the type, Sensationalist, and obviously false.
but
(six days later in the sports section, they are quietly correctly/retracted (Or in this case CREDITED)
I am afraid that my use of absolutes have been interpreted as "wishy washy:"
I never said "adapted" or "copied"
I said STOLE without CREDIT.
The credits that do appear are on on REISSUES that weren't there on ORIGINALS.
I am done.
Hey man,
If you are fine with that, then it's all good.
Just please refrain from using the word "creative" when it comes to covering other's music.
Creativity takes a whole different skillset than augmenting.
Ask any programmer/songwriter.
Thank you for a well thought out and honest reply.
I was NOT referring to STYLES at all.
I was referring for *note for note* *THEFT*
Led Zeppelin have been accused, caught, and have since (on reissues of albums(cds) HAD TO FINALLY CREDIT THE ORIGINAL BLUESMEN THEY STOLE FROM.
I don't think I am being vague here. They have been caught doing it.
THEFT is THEFT. Using creative license or "playing in the style of: are different things.
I know this hurts some people to read and it'll hurt a few more. Believe me, I loved led zep when I was a kid.
After a few years studying music and being exposed to some of the originals they "borrowed" from, I was actually exposed to some of the stuff they "STOLE" from.
I guess links help here more than anything right?
Pull our your original Led Zep albums (You do have the vinyls still right?)
Check the songwriting credits for all of the following songs.
http://www.amazon.com/Blues-Roots-Led-Zeppelin/dp/B00004Y333
Here's a hint: If yours has any credits other than page/plant you have a reissue.
Originals credited *NONE* of the songwriters.
Hate me if you want.
(Parent, thanks for the reasonable response, and most was not actually directed to your argument, except where noted)
I'll ignore the emotion in your subject and ask a simple question:
Is copying a style the same as covering without credit?
What Led zep did Early on was the latter (documented)
ALL rock and roll (heck all music) is copying a style and adding artistic flair to define one's own "sound"
P.S.
"You're full of shit first because you claim that using the blues as source material for new music is somehow 'ripping someone off'"
I said nothing of the sort. I said Led Zep STOLE music, didn't credit the artists they stole it from, were caught doing so, and have since (under legal duress) started crediting the original artists of the music the now admittedly stole)
No worries though, reading is still fundamental.
Happy Thanksgiving.
I'll use the bile as dressing.
If I didn't give ANY credit to their later (and possibly, actually "original") work, I am sorry and apologize.
I just have issues with people that steal good music from poor (usually almost dead) people to make profit.
That should anger WAY more people than it does, yet Elvis, The Beatles, and the most blatant and easily provable, Led Zeppelin, all got away with it (and paid peanuts when caught)
And people wonder why "real" music isn't written anymore.
What you say is true.
Right up until you mention Led Zeppelin. Led Zep "created" NOTHING. They STOLE everything. the CREDITED NO ONE (originally, until forced by lawsuits) and in the end are a COVER BAND that took liberties.
Do some research on it. It's not conspiracy theory. It's well documented.
P.S. I have heard the originals, and I DO like the led zep versions better, but that changes nothing of what I said.
"pioneered rock and roll and actually brought creativity back to a genre which many had dismissed simply as hippie music"
Creativity? How creative is it to BLATENTLY rip off blues musicians from 20,30,40 years before they were BORN?
If sampling were available in Led Zeps time, I don't think they would have even bothered "trying" to disguise the theft.
Methinks you were looking for a different word. Plagiarism comes to mind.
No credits (initially) to the songwriters they stole from?
World's biggest cover band.
Sorry, this one makes my sick and is EXACTLY why I hate the music industry.
Whoa!!!
Hang on a sec.
Led Zeppelin WASN'T a cover band?
All these years I NEVER knew that they wrote any ORIGINAL songs and now I hear they have copyright on COVERS?
The mind, it boggles.
Because we all know the "Manila" ones come from Thailand?
Just kidding they are all made out of recycled Canadian newspaper.