OK, my apologies for erring on that. I know why I thought that -- the beta test model that I played with did NOT have the speaker phone built in! So it was simply a v60 body with the third button.
In addition to what ross_winn said (who should be moderated Informative, please), I should add:
I also work for a Verizon Wireless agent, not Verizon directly.
In addition to having a much larger network that PTT with Verizon will operate on, there are a few other advantages:
As he mentioned, the v60p is much smaller than most Nextel's.. as far as I know, it's smaller than ALL Nextels.. It's the same as a regular v60 with a third button on the side.
I have yet to hear about battery time - I haven't received these at my location yet.
If nothing else, the fact that there's only one phone number going on.. Nextels have a seperate number for the two-way and the telephone functions. Verizon only has one.
I did just have three guys come in looking for them because "the line to get one at the Verizon store wrapped around the store". I'd believe it.
Someone said that Nextel had zero lag time, but I just can't possibly believe that. Nextel uses a modified cell system to send things around, so there's got to be a lag time there somewhere. Verizon initiates a connection if you're doing a 1-to-1 push to talk, so after the initial lag time, as long as you don't let the connection time out (i don't know how long that is) there is almost no lag time after.
I've tried many many programs on Wine. I was just pointing out my most recent failures.
Actually, Stair Dismount dropped the whole system - shut off the monitor, and everything went into 'sleep' mode.
Truck Dismount took over the mouse and keyboard, and wouldn't let any other program have it, even after it, and wine, and the X server had been killed from remote.
Both of these conditions happen regularly when attempting to use WINE. The only things I've ever gotten working WELL were MSN Messenger and Internet Explorer. (I use WINE to load IE because I play with Java sites that don't work in any recent implementation of Java)
Does anyone know -what- the source agreement says? If so, I'd like to see.
I'd be willing to bet that a license agreement could reassign that way -- example, when I ran a message board on the 'net, every piece of content that was posted to it automatically became my copyright, until I specifically vowed in the terms of usage, that anything posted belonged to the person who posted it. And I did check this with lawyers.
I'd be willing to lay money that the spinlock implementation at the point where this was, was built by SGI (since they claim copyright on that file) and IBM jointly.. this is IA64 code, and it all seems suspiciously similar to AIX and OS/2 stuff rather than anything that SCO is capable of.
But it IS possible, without throwing out all copyright law. IF the Unix source licensing agreement included that all source derivatives belong to the primary Unix source owner, then the Unix license becomes just as viral as the GPL.
As the GPL requires that if you distribute a modified binary, you distribute the source... the Unix license could require that if you modify the source, you give it back to the owner!
Really now, it's mostly irrelevant, as Wine/WineX still doesn't run practically ANYTHING without crashing your machine. I did an install of Wine last night, to see if i could get Stair Dismount or Truck Dismount to run, because i wanted my girlfriend (who's a major geek) to check them out..
Both of them instantly crashed my linux box. Brought it down, crying to it's knees, and then decapitated it. Instant crashola. Total lockup.
Bet you don't see that much.. but it does happen.. I see it all the time. Every time I try to use WINE to do something.
And, what's the point of finding -any- Golomb Ruler? All the explanation I've seen basically says "this is for fun, there's no real use".. well, my CPU time is better used HLTing rather than playing with distributed.net on that problem...
Actually, as the article points out, there is a proof for ALL boards where boardsize > 2, EXCEPT for 8.
It also points out that everybody who actually cared one bit about the problem had fairly well already decided that there was no solve for boardsize == 8. So, effectively, someone blew 50+ days of CPU time proving something that nobody really cared about, and determined an answer that everybody already knew.
It's kind of like Microsoft Windows: The answer to a problem that no one really had.
My girlfriend has Little Computer People still, and plays it regularly. She also plays The Sims. She says those are the only two games she's ever really liked, but that she's also jealous of my Q3 abilities.
I enjoyed Q2 as just a game, but I hated the multiplayer. I thought Q3 returned a bit more to the feel of Q1 and I like that a lot more.
I've finished all three Quakes, though, single player. lol.
I absolutely thought Doom was a pile of shit for multiplayer. Played it a few times on the in-home LAN, and shelved it and didn't really play multiplayer games again until Descent came out.
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Like this girl that I know, that's got the body of a supermodel, skinny all the way around, muscular, but has hips the size of a Greyhound? (the bus, not the animal)..
SCO Media Statement Re IBM Counterclaims 8/7/2003 4:17:00 PM
LINDON, Utah, Aug 07, 2003/PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- We view IBM's counterclaim filing today as an effort to distract attention from its flawed Linux business model. It repeats the same unsubstantiated allegations made in Red Hat's filing earlier this week. If IBM were serious about addressing the real problems with Linux, it would offer full customer indemnification and move away from the GPL license. As the stakes continue to rise in the Linux battles, it becomes increasingly clear that the core issue is bigger than SCO (SCOX) , Red Hat, or even IBM. The core issue is about the value of intellectual property in an Internet age. In a strange alliance, IBM and the Free Software Foundation have lined up on the same side of this argument in support of the GPL. IBM urges its customers to use non- warranted, unprotected software. This software violates SCO's intellectual property rights in UNIX, and fails to give comfort to customers going forward in use of Linux. If IBM wants customers to accept the GPL risk, it should indemnify them against that risk. The continuing refusal to provide customer indemnification is IBM's truest measure of belief in its recently filed claims.
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Regarding Patent Accusations
SCO has shipped these products for many years, in some cases for nearly two decades, and this is the first time that IBM has ever raised an issue about patent infringement in these products.
Furthermore, these claims were not raised in IBM's original answer.
SCO reiterates its position that it intends to defend its intellectual property rights. SCO will remain on course to require customers to license infringing Linux implementations as a condition of further use. This is the best and clearest course for customers to minimize Linux problems.
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And grants to the Free Software Foundation, Linus, RMS, Red Hat, et al, a completely irrevocable right to keep plunging the entire thing in and out and twisting it around?
Not really -- IBM is using patents that really don't have a whole heck of a lot to do with Linux. I'm sure that that's what's been taking them so long to file a countersuit, is going through their massive library of patents and deciding what they could use without cutting into themselves...
The very old Sprint PCS phone, NeoPoint NP-100 I think was the model number, is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. The entire phone could be programmed for voice recognition for all of it's functions.
OK, I missed something. I was gone for a day, and RedHat sues SCO? I'm confused.
SCO should be dead by now.. but.. oh well.
Anyway, where did I Miss this?
Those letters although professional in their words sound like SCO is just throwing a playground style hissy fit "I can't believe you just sued us! We're going to hit you back!".. blah blah blah
The way I view things, this is kind of how the computer market goes, from least capable hardware to most capable hardware:
Intel PCs...
Sun...
IBM
with IBM being the biggest, baddest, best thing you can get that's not a custom built supercomputer ala Cray. There's other things in the middle, I'd probably rank HP between Intel and Sun.. if HP/UX is still the steaming pile of poo it was ten years ago, then HPs at more of a disadvantage... but I haven't seen it in a long time.
I've heard that there are some pretty huge advantages in compiling X for your specific machine.. and I needed X4.3.0 for the PCI Radeon support, which did not come in any Debian installation.. so I just let it do it.:)
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OK, my apologies for erring on that. I know why I thought that -- the beta test model that I played with did NOT have the speaker phone built in! So it was simply a v60 body with the third button.
Thanks for the correction, though.
In addition to what ross_winn said (who should be moderated Informative, please), I should add:
I also work for a Verizon Wireless agent, not Verizon directly.
In addition to having a much larger network that PTT with Verizon will operate on, there are a few other advantages:
As he mentioned, the v60p is much smaller than most Nextel's.. as far as I know, it's smaller than ALL Nextels.. It's the same as a regular v60 with a third button on the side.
I have yet to hear about battery time - I haven't received these at my location yet.
If nothing else, the fact that there's only one phone number going on.. Nextels have a seperate number for the two-way and the telephone functions. Verizon only has one.
I did just have three guys come in looking for them because "the line to get one at the Verizon store wrapped around the store". I'd believe it.
Someone said that Nextel had zero lag time, but I just can't possibly believe that. Nextel uses a modified cell system to send things around, so there's got to be a lag time there somewhere. Verizon initiates a connection if you're doing a 1-to-1 push to talk, so after the initial lag time, as long as you don't let the connection time out (i don't know how long that is) there is almost no lag time after.
I've tried many many programs on Wine. I was just pointing out my most recent failures.
Actually, Stair Dismount dropped the whole system - shut off the monitor, and everything went into 'sleep' mode.
Truck Dismount took over the mouse and keyboard, and wouldn't let any other program have it, even after it, and wine, and the X server had been killed from remote.
Both of these conditions happen regularly when attempting to use WINE. The only things I've ever gotten working WELL were MSN Messenger and Internet Explorer. (I use WINE to load IE because I play with Java sites that don't work in any recent implementation of Java)
Does anyone know -what- the source agreement says? If so, I'd like to see.
I'd be willing to bet that a license agreement could reassign that way -- example, when I ran a message board on the 'net, every piece of content that was posted to it automatically became my copyright, until I specifically vowed in the terms of usage, that anything posted belonged to the person who posted it. And I did check this with lawyers.
I'd be willing to lay money that the spinlock implementation at the point where this was, was built by SGI (since they claim copyright on that file) and IBM jointly .. this is IA64 code, and it all seems suspiciously similar to AIX and OS/2 stuff rather than anything that SCO is capable of.
What the Hell is "7th Edition Unix" anyway?
Is that a reference to Unix System V Release 7?
I thought it stopped at SysV R 3 ?
But it IS possible, without throwing out all copyright law. IF the Unix source licensing agreement included that all source derivatives belong to the primary Unix source owner, then the Unix license becomes just as viral as the GPL.
... the Unix license could require that if you modify the source, you give it back to the owner!
As the GPL requires that if you distribute a modified binary, you distribute the source
Really now, it's mostly irrelevant, as Wine/WineX still doesn't run practically ANYTHING without crashing your machine. I did an install of Wine last night, to see if i could get Stair Dismount or Truck Dismount to run, because i wanted my girlfriend (who's a major geek) to check them out..
Both of them instantly crashed my linux box. Brought it down, crying to it's knees, and then decapitated it. Instant crashola. Total lockup.
Bet you don't see that much.. but it does happen.. I see it all the time. Every time I try to use WINE to do something.
And, what's the point of finding -any- Golomb Ruler? All the explanation I've seen basically says "this is for fun, there's no real use" .. well, my CPU time is better used HLTing rather than playing with distributed.net on that problem...
Actually, as the article points out, there is a proof for ALL boards where boardsize > 2, EXCEPT for 8.
It also points out that everybody who actually cared one bit about the problem had fairly well already decided that there was no solve for boardsize == 8. So, effectively, someone blew 50+ days of CPU time proving something that nobody really cared about, and determined an answer that everybody already knew.
It's kind of like Microsoft Windows: The answer to a problem that no one really had.
My girlfriend has Little Computer People still, and plays it regularly. She also plays The Sims. She says those are the only two games she's ever really liked, but that she's also jealous of my Q3 abilities.
I enjoyed Q2 as just a game, but I hated the multiplayer. I thought Q3 returned a bit more to the feel of Q1 and I like that a lot more.
I've finished all three Quakes, though, single player. lol.
I absolutely thought Doom was a pile of shit for multiplayer. Played it a few times on the in-home LAN, and shelved it and didn't really play multiplayer games again until Descent came out.
Like this girl that I know, that's got the body of a supermodel, skinny all the way around, muscular, but has hips the size of a Greyhound? (the bus, not the animal) ..
Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
awesome.. i've never had a mod "funny" before.. but who on god's green earth modded this off topic?!?!? :P
SCO Media Statement Re IBM Counterclaims
/PRNewswire-FirstCall via Comtex/ -- We view IBM's counterclaim filing today as an effort to distract attention from its flawed Linux business model. It repeats the same unsubstantiated allegations made in Red Hat's filing earlier this week. If IBM were serious about addressing the real problems with Linux, it would offer full customer indemnification and move away from the GPL license. As the stakes continue to rise in the Linux battles, it becomes increasingly clear that the core issue is bigger than SCO (SCOX) , Red Hat, or even IBM. The core issue is about the value of intellectual property in an Internet age. In a strange alliance, IBM and the Free Software Foundation have lined up on the same side of this argument in support of the GPL. IBM urges its customers to use non- warranted, unprotected software. This software violates SCO's intellectual property rights in UNIX, and fails to give comfort to customers going forward in use of Linux. If IBM wants customers to accept the GPL risk, it should indemnify them against that risk. The continuing refusal to provide customer indemnification is IBM's truest measure of belief in its recently filed claims.
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8/7/2003 4:17:00 PM
LINDON, Utah, Aug 07, 2003
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/19990421/SCOL
Regarding Patent Accusations
SCO has shipped these products for many years, in some cases for nearly two decades, and this is the first time that IBM has ever raised an issue about patent infringement in these products.
Furthermore, these claims were not raised in IBM's original answer.
SCO reiterates its position that it intends to defend its intellectual property rights. SCO will remain on course to require customers to license infringing Linux implementations as a condition of further use. This is the best and clearest course for customers to minimize Linux problems.
SOURCE SCO
Photo : NewsCom: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/19990421/SCOL
Media, Blake Stowell of SCO, +1-801-932-5703, bstowell@sco.com
http://www.prnewswire.com
Copyright (C) 2003 PR Newswire. All rights reserved.
And grants to the Free Software Foundation, Linus, RMS, Red Hat, et al, a completely irrevocable right to keep plunging the entire thing in and out and twisting it around?
Remember, August is National Anal Sex Month!
Holy shit! someone mod this up! That is funny..
HMm. suggestions...
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August is National Anal Sex Month! So take it like a man, Darl!
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Not really -- IBM is using patents that really don't have a whole heck of a lot to do with Linux. I'm sure that that's what's been taking them so long to file a countersuit, is going through their massive library of patents and deciding what they could use without cutting into themselves...
THere are dual wheel mice, that have a horizontal and a vertical wheel... sheesh.
how does this make any page of slashdot, let alone front?
The very old Sprint PCS phone, NeoPoint NP-100 I think was the model number, is pretty much exactly what you're looking for. The entire phone could be programmed for voice recognition for all of it's functions.
Last I saw them in stores, they were like $20-30.
OK, I missed something. I was gone for a day, and RedHat sues SCO? I'm confused.
SCO should be dead by now.. but.. oh well.
Anyway, where did I Miss this?
Those letters although professional in their words sound like SCO is just throwing a playground style hissy fit "I can't believe you just sued us! We're going to hit you back!".. blah blah blah
The way I view things, this is kind of how the computer market goes, from least capable hardware to most capable hardware:
... ...
Intel PCs
Sun
IBM
with IBM being the biggest, baddest, best thing you can get that's not a custom built supercomputer ala Cray. There's other things in the middle, I'd probably rank HP between Intel and Sun.. if HP/UX is still the steaming pile of poo it was ten years ago, then HPs at more of a disadvantage... but I haven't seen it in a long time.
The email address is right there ^^ :)
I've heard that there are some pretty huge advantages in compiling X for your specific machine.. and I needed X4.3.0 for the PCI Radeon support, which did not come in any Debian installation.. so I just let it do it. :)