"...remove access to all encryption software from the internet as she believes such access renders the Wassanaar agreement impotent."
I think that comment is impotent. Great way to waste more of our tax dollars, not to mention sending us further down the road to total government control. Oooooppps...maybe I shouldn't have said that...they've probably read this and are now on their way in those silent black helicopters....
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Is it just me, or has everyone been seeing many more posts containing FUD against Linux? I guess Microsoft's new anti-Linux team must be working overtime posting to Slashdot, especially with the "NT beat Linux" so-called "benchmarks" from PC Week being recently published. Oh, and might I add, most seem to be by Anonymous Cowards. Hmmmmmmm...coincidence? I think not.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
I don't think it matters, necessarily, why the companies give away their source. They are giving it away after all. Isn't this what the whole push for open source is about? Everyone has different motives for doing something whether they be monetary, egotistical, respect, or just a good 'ole "warm fuzzy feeling". Whatever. What I think could be more detrimental is when companies "give" away their source with stipulations, regulations, rules, etc. or they don't give away the whole thing (like Apple with Darwin). It then seems they are merely using the open source bandwagon for their own ends without really giving anything in return. It merely appears they are. Kind of a "smoke and mirrors" sort of thing.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"But I think it's critical that we, as a community, keep a perspective on the impact of Linux..."
I wonder which community he could be referring to?
"Linux is an open-source project; therefore, all changes to the kernel are subject to review and approval by a small team that controls this portion of the operating system. Companies that add features they need, but that are not accepted into the core distribution, may find themselves in a redevelopment and retesting cycle every time a new version of Linux is released."
Belittle Linux by calling it a "project".
Has he ever heard of backward compatibility?
"Windows supporters still outnumber Linux supporters because Microsoft provides a better value proposition. Windows NT Server Enterprise Edition ships with a full complement of Internet services, including Web, proxy, index, messaging, database, transaction and firewall services. With Linux, these services will soon be available as a multivendor product. Whereas Microsoft's products are designed to work with one another and the operating system's services, users may spend a significant amount of time trying to integrate these components under Linux. The most critical of these integrations will be security and access control."
Stating the obvious with the "outnumber" thing.
"...better value proposition."?!? How does he arrive at that? Look at a copy of SuSE 6.1. What company offers more software with their product for the low price of $29.99 at Best Buy and FREE if you download it?
He makes it sound as though it's the Linux communities fault that MS apps won't integrate with Linux. Who says a "user" would want to integrate them anyway? Besides, who would want to rely on NT's security? (or lack thereof)
"Linux is just beginning to be retrofitted for symmetric multiprocessing. Without robust SMP, Linux servers can support only small companies and single applications. If you're managing multiple servers for increased scalability, you're better off using multiple NT servers all participating within the same domain."
"...retrofitted..."? I suppose NT was "born" with it? Again with the belittlement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NT is now more scalable than Linux right now. It doesn't even offer clustering right now (it's in "development").
"Also, remember that Linux is still Unix."
NOT!! Just because it has a command line interface and most of the commands are the same doesn't make it UNIX.
"Linux is a college student's project gone astray."
More belittlement. Astray is such a negative word.
"If you're responsible for operating system selection in your company, be wary of the Linux play."
"...be wary of Linux play."?!?
Need I say more. "play"?!? Come on. Give me a break guy! Just what we need, more FUD from the so-called mainstream press.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
My problem involves doing a shutdown -h now and when it gets to the end of the shutdown procedure, when it should say System halted a large number of sets of text and numbers wrapped in left and right arrows fill the screen. Anyone have a clue? I've installed it on two separate machines and have ths same problem. Very odd. Doesn't do it with SuSE 6.1 or Redhat 5.2.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
I liked the idea of an acolyte being sort of one who is in training and always learning. It kind of fits doesn't it? Check out the Jargon File for the "official" definition.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"Instead Linux currently serves as the Swiss Army knife of networking. In many ways, it's a stable version of what NT aspires to be." What a great analogy. My company is slowly seeing this is true (with a little help from a certain employee;-).
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Naaahhh, they've managed just fine on the Jetson's. We'll be okay. Radar, nightvision devices, HUD's (heads up displays), etc. All kinds of cool stuff will help us out.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Ooooo, touchy aren't we? We'll keep our guns and stay FREE. Getting shot a school is an unfortunate part of reality. It is the price we pay for our freedom. I'm willing to accept that. By the way, inherently, guns themselves do not kill. People do. If we didn't have guns, I'm sure that as industrious as our society is, we'd find another way to kill each other. Sticks, knives, plastic forks, etc. So we are screwed up a bit in America. That's what makes it the best country (arguably?) in the world. Arrogant? Maybe just a little. However, I'm not going to apologize for where I was born.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Uhhh, excuse me, but in America (and on the Internet) we have the right to espouse our views whatever they may be. Aren't you being just a bit hypocritical?
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Sure, blame it all on the Internet. Certainly the Internet probably helped by giving them the information they needed to construct 30 explosive devices, but while you're at it go ahead and blame guns, alcohol, drugs, rock music, music videos, pornography, cigarettes, yada, yada, yada....whatever... People tend to look at things through a limited scope of perception, as though it were necessarily one thing that drove those kids to do what they did. It's much more plausible to assume that whatever drove them to do such a horrible thing involved influences from their entire environment. Of course many lobbying groups will now scream for the banning of all firearms, metal detectors in all schools, making the parents responsible, etc.
We still fail to look at the real issues and everyone wants to place the blame somewhere else. The blame is with us. We are all in some way reponsible. Just because it didn't happen on our block, doesn't exclude us from some of the blame and responsiblity. Our society glorifies violence, yet we are horrified by the results.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
...if I could get a job working nights at Fermi. You know, cleaning the floors, emptying wastebaskets, play a little Quake. Naahhh,probably not. Oh well.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
My own experience where I work was and is very similar to Jon's. In talking to some of the higher-ups concerning Linux, I have found that they basically do not care how good the operating system is. Their primary concern was and is, "Can our applications run on it? Will it run on our hardware?" etc. etc.... We've all heard the rhetoric and FUD being spread around. Maybe Jon's prominance in both the Linux and corporate communities will help both sides begin to take a more realistic look at each other rather than simply dissmissing the other immediately. Although it has it's pitfalls, corporate acceptance has far more benefits.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
LOC is no way to rate quality. The same could be said concerning all areas of our workforce. Are Amercia's ditch diggers any worse than the rest of the world because they shovel less dirt? No, we use cranes, bulldozers and such. Better tools make for less effort and better quality.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"As a culture, we have a nasty habit of eating our own -- of demanding unattainable perfection, of assuming the worst, of flaming before thinking. This has to stop. We've got to grow up."
This falls right in line with what Cmdr Taco wrote earlier today. Flame, flame, flame... If Linux and Open Source software fail in attaining world domination, it won't be because the code sucks.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Slashdot Mirror
"...remove access to all encryption software from the internet as she believes such access renders the Wassanaar agreement impotent."
I think that comment is impotent. Great way to waste more of our tax dollars, not to mention sending us further down the road to total government control. Oooooppps...maybe I shouldn't have said that...they've probably read this and are now on their way in those silent black helicopters....
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
I was wondering the exact same thing. It also seems there are many more posts that are pro-M$. Kinda makes one wonder.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Is it just me, or has everyone been seeing many more posts containing FUD against Linux? I guess Microsoft's new anti-Linux team must be working overtime posting to Slashdot, especially with the "NT beat Linux" so-called "benchmarks" from PC Week being recently published. Oh, and might I add, most seem to be by Anonymous Cowards. Hmmmmmmm...coincidence? I think not.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Man, all caps?!? I didn't even bother to read it. Looks like one big string of crap. No offense personally.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Also very funny (countenance! Ha Ha!! ;-)
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Oh, me too!! (Damn funny!)
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
I don't think it matters, necessarily, why the companies give away their source. They are giving it away after all. Isn't this what the whole push for open source is about? Everyone has different motives for doing something whether they be monetary, egotistical, respect, or just a good 'ole "warm fuzzy feeling". Whatever. What I think could be more detrimental is when companies "give" away their source with stipulations, regulations, rules, etc. or they don't give away the whole thing (like Apple with Darwin). It then seems they are merely using the open source bandwagon for their own ends without really giving anything in return. It merely appears they are. Kind of a "smoke and mirrors" sort of thing.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"But I think it's critical that we, as a community, keep a perspective on the impact of Linux..."
I wonder which community he could be referring to?
"Linux is an open-source project; therefore, all changes to the kernel are subject to review and approval by a small team that controls this portion of the operating system. Companies that add features they need, but that are not accepted into the core distribution, may find themselves in a redevelopment and retesting cycle every time a new version of Linux is released."
Belittle Linux by calling it a "project".
Has he ever heard of backward compatibility?
"Windows supporters still outnumber Linux supporters because Microsoft provides a better value proposition. Windows NT Server Enterprise Edition ships with a full complement of Internet services, including Web, proxy, index, messaging, database, transaction and firewall services. With Linux, these services will soon be available as a multivendor product. Whereas Microsoft's products are designed to work with one another and the operating system's services, users may spend a significant amount of time trying to integrate these components under Linux. The most critical of these integrations will be security and access control."
Stating the obvious with the "outnumber" thing.
"...better value proposition."?!? How does he arrive at that? Look at a copy of SuSE 6.1. What company offers more software with their product for the low price of $29.99 at Best Buy and FREE if you download it?
He makes it sound as though it's the Linux communities fault that MS apps won't integrate with Linux. Who says a "user" would want to integrate them anyway? Besides, who would want to rely on NT's security? (or lack thereof)
"Linux is just beginning to be retrofitted for symmetric multiprocessing. Without robust SMP, Linux servers can support only small companies and single applications. If you're managing multiple servers for increased scalability, you're better off using multiple NT servers all participating within the same domain."
"...retrofitted..."? I suppose NT was "born" with it? Again with the belittlement. Correct me if I'm wrong, but NT is now more scalable than Linux right now. It doesn't even offer clustering right now (it's in "development").
"Also, remember that Linux is still Unix."
NOT!! Just because it has a command line interface and most of the commands are the same doesn't make it UNIX.
"Linux is a college student's project gone astray."
More belittlement. Astray is such a negative word.
"If you're responsible for operating system selection in your company, be wary of the Linux play."
"...be wary of Linux play."?!?
Need I say more. "play"?!? Come on. Give me a break guy! Just what we need, more FUD from the so-called mainstream press.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Thanks a lot for the reply, I'll look into it.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
My problem involves doing a shutdown -h now and when it gets to the end of the shutdown procedure, when it should say System halted a large number of sets of text and numbers wrapped in left and right arrows fill the screen. Anyone have a clue? I've installed it on two separate machines and have ths same problem. Very odd. Doesn't do it with SuSE 6.1 or Redhat 5.2.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
How about acolyte?
I liked the idea of an acolyte being sort of one who is in training and always learning. It kind of fits doesn't it? Check out the Jargon File for the "official" definition.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"Instead Linux currently serves as the Swiss Army knife of networking. In many ways, it's a stable version of what NT aspires to be." ;-).
What a great analogy. My company is slowly seeing this is true (with a little help from a certain employee
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Naaahhh, they've managed just fine on the Jetson's. We'll be okay. Radar, nightvision devices, HUD's (heads up displays), etc. All kinds of cool stuff will help us out.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Ooooo, touchy aren't we? We'll keep our guns and stay FREE. Getting shot a school is an unfortunate part of reality. It is the price we pay for our freedom. I'm willing to accept that. By the way, inherently, guns themselves do not kill. People do. If we didn't have guns, I'm sure that as industrious as our society is, we'd find another way to kill each other. Sticks, knives, plastic forks, etc. So we are screwed up a bit in America. That's what makes it the best country (arguably?) in the world. Arrogant? Maybe just a little. However, I'm not going to apologize for where I was born.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Uhhh, excuse me, but in America (and on the Internet) we have the right to espouse our views whatever they may be. Aren't you being just a bit hypocritical?
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Sure, blame it all on the Internet. Certainly the Internet probably helped by giving them the information they needed to construct 30 explosive devices, but while you're at it go ahead and blame guns, alcohol, drugs, rock music, music videos, pornography, cigarettes, yada, yada, yada....whatever... People tend to look at things through a limited scope of perception, as though it were necessarily one thing that drove those kids to do what they did. It's much more plausible to assume that whatever drove them to do such a horrible thing involved influences from their entire environment. Of course many lobbying groups will now scream for the banning of all firearms, metal detectors in all schools, making the parents responsible, etc.
We still fail to look at the real issues and everyone wants to place the blame somewhere else. The blame is with us. We are all in some way reponsible. Just because it didn't happen on our block, doesn't exclude us from some of the blame and responsiblity. Our society glorifies violence, yet we are horrified by the results.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
...thank goodness for a little choice. Sure beats having to resort to windows. It's all good.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
...if I could get a job working nights at Fermi. You know, cleaning the floors, emptying wastebaskets, play a little Quake. Naahhh,probably not. Oh well.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
...for Polo-style shirts.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"...and sure you have learnt your way around linux like a
small town with only once street to pick up hookers..."
Too damn funny!
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
My own experience where I work was and is very similar to Jon's. In talking to some of the higher-ups concerning Linux, I have found that they basically do not care how good the operating system is. Their primary concern was and is, "Can our applications run on it? Will it run on our hardware?" etc. etc.... We've all heard the rhetoric and FUD being spread around. Maybe Jon's prominance in both the Linux and corporate communities will help both sides begin to take a more realistic look at each other rather than simply dissmissing the other immediately. Although it has it's pitfalls, corporate acceptance has far more benefits.
----------------
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
LOC is no way to rate quality. The same could be said concerning all areas of our workforce. Are Amercia's ditch diggers any worse than the rest of the world because they shovel less dirt? No, we use cranes, bulldozers and such. Better tools make for less effort and better quality.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
...with a question. Is SMP capability included in the newer kernels, or do you have to compile a different /special kernel? Thanks in advance.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
"As a culture, we have a nasty habit of eating our own -- of demanding unattainable perfection, of assuming the worst, of flaming before thinking. This has to stop. We've got to grow up."
This falls right in line with what Cmdr Taco wrote earlier today. Flame, flame, flame...
If Linux and Open Source software fail in attaining world domination, it won't be because the code sucks.
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
Does anyone edit for spelling anymore or just throw it out there?
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"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein